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LilHorse
03-09-2005, 10:31 AM
It seems to me that there aren't too many ppl into this plane. At least not online. Seems there's a lot of fans of the Wildcat (myself included). And I'm sure there are plenty of ppl into the Corsair. But the other night on GG when the map swithed to Pacific I decided for the heck of it to fly the Hellcat which nobody else seemed interested in doing. I actually found it to be a pretty good plane. Doesn't seem to do any one thing brilliantly, but does everything pretty well.

So am I imagining that there aren't that many folks into the Hellcat or am I just going to the wrong servers?

cueceleches
03-09-2005, 10:34 AM
I like to fly it a lot, though the only thing that prevents me from doing it often is that it overheats in less than a heartbeat. Otherwise, I love how it looks and performs. It turns pretty well and dives nicely too.

GR142_Astro
03-09-2005, 10:57 AM
Most ppl don't fly it because it's missing a few accesories.

http://nnlm.gov/ner/newsletter/10/bucket.jpg

LilHorse
03-09-2005, 11:11 AM
Astro, I'm assuming you mean the "dirty windscreen syndrome". Funny but I hardly notice that anymore. I guess it comes from flying 109s for so long. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

reverendkrv1972
03-09-2005, 11:51 AM
I fly it...but wonder why the F6F-5 with the cannons is missing,we usually get most versions of an aircraft set in this sim...but some arent there,theres not much to 'change' either to get an -5 with cannons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

i dont notice the dirty windows anymore...all the dips i've had in the ocean musta cleaned em off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rev

LilHorse
03-09-2005, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by reverendkrv1972:
I fly it...but wonder why the F6F-5 with the cannons is missing,we usually get most versions of an aircraft set in this sim...but some arent there,theres not much to 'change' either to get an -5 with cannons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd guess that's a matter of whether there were significant numbers of those. I don't think there were many. In fact, I think there were more F4U-1C with four 20mm cannons and those aren't represented in the game.

reverendkrv1972
03-09-2005, 12:35 PM
Corsair C is in the game lilhorse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
plenty of people fly them too...

fordfan25
03-09-2005, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
It seems to me that there aren't too many ppl into this plane. At least not online. Seems there's a lot of fans of the Wildcat (myself included). And I'm sure there are plenty of ppl into the Corsair. But the other night on GG when the map swithed to Pacific I decided for the heck of it to fly the Hellcat which nobody else seemed interested in doing. I actually found it to be a pretty good plane. Doesn't seem to do any one thing brilliantly, but does everything pretty well.

So am I imagining that there aren't that many folks into the Hellcat or am I just going to the wrong servers? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i dont fly it because its so out clased in the servers i fly in. it does not "seem" to turn any better than the sair and down low i can get the sair 40mph faster. if the main fighter it was going up aginst was not the ki84 B and C then i would be in it much more. that and the smirf puked windsheild lol.

TooMuchCheese
03-09-2005, 02:04 PM
What is a "sair"? is it some sort of aircraft??? and what does "smirf" mean..???

tttiger
03-09-2005, 02:41 PM
No question the Hellcat was the dominant fighter in the Pacific, achieving many more kills (19:1 K/D ratio)than the Corsair (11:1 K/D)and until early 1945 serving as the only fighter in Task Force 58, the Fast Carrier Task Force that went from island group to island group wiping out IJN and IJA aircraft.

Here's a record of kills by US Navy fighters:

http://www.acepilots.com/planes/air_wins.html

I fly it in offline campaigns and online coops and it is real killer until late war when the much faster Franks, Georges and Jacks show up (in real life, the Hellcat remained a real killer until the end of the war).

The problem is that the DF arenas are populated by pilots with no interest in history and who care only about score-whoring. Kill-die-respawn-kill-die-respawn. Boring. Any similarity between any DF arena and real aerial combat is purely coincidental.

So, you are much more likely in DF arenas to see the Corsair, which was faster than the Hellcat, and didn't start operating from carriers until January 1945. Particularly the 1C with those four nasty cannon.

I'm not knocking the DF Arenas. They're sort of the shallow "Kiddie Pool" and I'm glad they are available to keep all the amateurs out of the deep-water coops. Some of us prefer to play with grown-ups. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

ttt

fordfan25
03-09-2005, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TooMuchCheese:
What is a "sair"? is it some sort of aircraft??? and what does "smirf" mean..??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


sair is short hand for corsair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif. smirf was a cartoon here in the states back in the 70 and early 80s i think, wich stared little blue .... guys http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif. fun fact" the main ingrediant in mounten due is actully smirf urine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif.

Jettexas
03-09-2005, 02:59 PM
Admittedly a complete fantasy match up but, try the workingmans Hellcat against a human pilot of equal skill In the oft favored Corsair sometime...

TooMuchCheese
03-09-2005, 03:06 PM
Ohh....you mean a Smurf then, a European character (Belgian I think?).

Prefer Corsair myself...but I'm just old and cranky,and think things should be spelt correctly.

http://www.smurf.com/homepage.html

fordfan25
03-09-2005, 03:08 PM
yea smurf. i thought something did not look right about that lol.

VW-IceFire
03-09-2005, 03:09 PM
Hellcats great...but if the scenario is unscripted and not historical...then its up against Ki-84s, FW190Ds, and Bf-109K's and it gets whalloped by those planes.

Its also not fast at accelerating so its not everyones cup of tea. Nice plane tho...some guys are really good in it.

Jettexas
03-09-2005, 03:14 PM
Exactly, within the context of its historical theatre, a great plane. A bulletproof Zero.
Within the context of the rest of the fronts in the game...only a bit on the good side of average, a bit on the slow side.
A fantastic turning plane in any case.

JunkoIfurita
03-09-2005, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm not knocking the DF Arenas. They're sort of the shallow "Kiddie Pool" and I'm glad they are available to keep all the amateurs out of the deep-water coops. Some of us prefer to play with grown-ups. Big Grin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Speaking of that, where CAN I find all these mythical co-ops on HyperLobby? My flight of four LANs co-ops pretty much exclusively (halfway through a DCG ETO Grand Campaign), but it's rare to see a co-op running on HyperLobby.

Got any inside info for us scenario junkies?

----

JG53Frankyboy
03-09-2005, 05:00 PM
when ever you see a VOW2 game hosted, you are welcome to jion!
this coop based online war is still in beta , so you havent to be registered http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
this war contains 3 fronts:
-western front/mediteranian
-eastern front
-pacific front

the missions are not in time order at the moment - so you can play a 1940 Ardennes mission after a Kyushu July45 mission, but as i said, its beta http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
an own TEAMSPEAKSERVER is also available

New_York_Flyer
03-09-2005, 06:25 PM
I personally LOVE the F6F Hellcat. If you see me on Warbirds_PT_LW, thats what i'll be flying ;-)

Its my second fav. aircraft, right behind the P-51D Mustang.

The Hellcat has an awesome weaponry. Those .50 cals behave like Mk108s against those Japanese Aircraft. One quick burst, and you will see either the wings of Zekes getting ripped off, or the engines of Ki-61s going kaput.

It is an awesome fighter. I personally love it.

Its even perfect for ground pounding as well. You can stick rockets or bombs on to it, and go attack the ground targets. If the Mustang could have rockets, then it would be an 'uber' plane :-)

These Hellcats can also take on tremendous amounts of damage from those Jap guns.

Gosh, If Hellcats operated in the European Theater, I'd actually consider turning in my Mustang wings for that bird.

Anyways, thats my 2cents

Moses

fordfan25
03-09-2005, 07:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by New_York_Flyer:
I personally LOVE the F6F Hellcat. If you see me on Warbirds_PT_LW, thats what i'll be flying ;-)

Its my second fav. aircraft, right behind the P-51D Mustang.

The Hellcat has an awesome weaponry. Those .50 cals behave like Mk108s against those Japanese Aircraft. One quick burst, and you will see either the wings of Zekes getting ripped off, or the engines of Ki-61s going kaput.

It is an awesome fighter. I personally love it.

Its even perfect for ground pounding as well. You can stick rockets or bombs on to it, and go attack the ground targets. If the Mustang could have rockets, then it would be an 'uber' plane :-)

These Hellcats can also take on tremendous amounts of damage from those Jap guns.

Gosh, If Hellcats operated in the European Theater, I'd actually consider turning in my Mustang wings for that bird.

Anyways, thats my 2cents

Moses <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i wish i had those kinda results with the 50s.

VF-3Thunderboy
03-09-2005, 08:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Gosh, If Hellcats operated in the European Theater, I'd actually consider turning in my Mustang wings for that bird.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A few actually did. 4 kills was the max. Youll have to look up the history but a few did go up against the Luftwaffe.

New_York_Flyer
03-09-2005, 08:27 PM
Ahh roger. I think the RAF used the Hellcats.

Moses

Treetop64
03-09-2005, 08:27 PM
You know, as fierce as the 'cat was in capable hands during WWII, I have to say that is was positively one of the dopiest looking aircraft in the entire war! I mean, look at it! It looks like a bathtub with wings...

EnGaurde
03-09-2005, 10:01 PM
...and burns like a zero in the hands of a Ki84

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

its the only aircraft i light up on anything like a regular basis.

fuel tank positioning?

EnGaurde
03-09-2005, 10:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Those .50 cals behave like Mk108s against those Japanese Aircraft <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

how strange us Japanese type flyers accept this, although hate and indeed fear it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

in a japanese plane, every gun is a Mk 108.

what can be interesting, is the confusion resulting from japanese aircraft either flying exceptionally well in speed not just maneouverability, or being armed exceptionally well.

not trying to start a fight by spiking this hellcat love-in with a dirty, filthy low down enemy presence http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but i receive much derision when i go cruising around in my Ki84b or (gasp) C.

its the plane i get shot down in the absolute least. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

hmmm wheres that side by side comparo program i saw recently....

EnGaurde
03-09-2005, 10:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm not knocking the DF Arenas. They're sort of the shallow "Kiddie Pool" and I'm glad they are available to keep all the amateurs out of the deep-water coops. Some of us prefer to play with grown-ups. .
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nice bit of mental acrobatics. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

virginity can grow back too, really it can.

EnGaurde
03-09-2005, 10:29 PM
behold the deadly QUAD POST !

aaieee!!

Hendley
03-09-2005, 10:31 PM
Now, now, EnGuarde, don't spoil the atmosphere. As you point out, folk are trying to enjoy their weekly American Plane Love-in session. This week featuring the Hellcat!

Take it away, John!

In the middle of the night
in the middle of the night i call your name
oh heeeeellcat, oh heeeeeellcat...

(Just kidding all, I like the Hellcat, too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Did anyone mention the k/d yet?)

VBF-12_Whitey
03-09-2005, 10:53 PM
I love the Hellcat, and so do my 15 other squad members. We fly it online constantly, and with a great kill ratio. Ya just have to know how to use it. Check us out if ya think you would be interested in learning this fine bird.
http://www.vbf-12.com

http://www.vbf-12.com/CVE.JPG

VBF-12_Whitey
03-09-2005, 10:58 PM
Here's the last Frank I ran acrossed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


http://vbf-12.com/ki1.JPG
http://vbf-12.com/ki2.JPG
http://vbf-12.com/ki3.JPG
http://vbf-12.com/ki4.JPG
http://vbf-12.com/ki5.JPG

VBF-12_Mantini
03-09-2005, 11:28 PM
the hellcat is our squad plane...and its hands down my favorite..i noticed in some posts..ppl putting down the plane..well the vbf-12 could put up alot of picks of us smoking bf,fw,spits ki-84 what ever u want ...it can hold its own..respect it....cause if u dont ..ur going down like the ki-84 in the top pic,cause u thought it was a easy kill...were always in the warbird pt server....and whitey posted our web in the post above... any1 thinks no1 flyies it here we r...if any1 wants to join a cat squad here we r....VBF-12 out

EnGaurde
03-09-2005, 11:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Here's the last Frank I ran acrossed <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sure as hell wasnt me flying it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> put up alot of picks of us smoking bf,fw,spits ki-84 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmmm yes well at the risk of turning this into a did / did not exchange of taunts, i could post a lot of pics of my Ki84 downing p38s, p47s, p51s etc as well. A bad measuring stick, for countless reasons.

Hey i think the Hellcat purrs quite nicely. But my sweet Frank is the difference between a housecat and a tanto... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

i find too many amerifans online, and i like to fly the Rest Of The World aircraft now almost exclusively.

ill take sake and sashimi over Bud and 'dogs anyday http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

but thats just my taste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

vive la choix.

Asgeir_Strips
03-10-2005, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by New_York_Flyer:
I personally LOVE the F6F Hellcat. If you see me on Warbirds_PT_LW, thats what i'll be flying ;-)

Its my second fav. aircraft, right behind the P-51D Mustang.

The Hellcat has an awesome weaponry. Those .50 cals behave like Mk108s against those Japanese Aircraft. One quick burst, and you will see either the wings of Zekes getting ripped off, or the engines of Ki-61s going kaput.

It is an awesome fighter. I personally love it.

Its even perfect for ground pounding as well. You can stick rockets or bombs on to it, and go attack the ground targets. If the Mustang could have rockets, then it would be an 'uber' plane :-)

These Hellcats can also take on tremendous amounts of damage from those Jap guns.

Gosh, If Hellcats operated in the European Theater, I'd actually consider turning in my Mustang wings for that bird.

Anyways, thats my 2cents

Moses <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Hellcats Did operate in ETO, For the Royal Navy.. Combined with RN Corsairs too.. They had some confrontations with Me-109s and Fw-190s in the coast of norway, (when the allies tried to sink the tirpitz) I think they met like 20 german planes or so.. (it was about 15-20 Corsaris and Hellcats combined) and i think they shot down more german planes than their own loss...

pauldun171
03-10-2005, 08:30 AM
Back when I used to fly online on a regular basis, the Hellcat would be one of my first choices. It seemed to handle a bit better than the Corsair. Looking through the stained glass got to be a bit much.

Zyzbot
03-10-2005, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Asgeir_Strips:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by New_York_Flyer:
I personally LOVE the F6F Hellcat. If you see me on Warbirds_PT_LW, thats what i'll be flying ;-)

Its my second fav. aircraft, right behind the P-51D Mustang.

The Hellcat has an awesome weaponry. Those .50 cals behave like Mk108s against those Japanese Aircraft. One quick burst, and you will see either the wings of Zekes getting ripped off, or the engines of Ki-61s going kaput.

It is an awesome fighter. I personally love it.

Its even perfect for ground pounding as well. You can stick rockets or bombs on to it, and go attack the ground targets. If the Mustang could have rockets, then it would be an 'uber' plane :-)

These Hellcats can also take on tremendous amounts of damage from those Jap guns.

Gosh, If Hellcats operated in the European Theater, I'd actually consider turning in my Mustang wings for that bird.

Anyways, thats my 2cents

Moses <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Hellcats Did operate in ETO, For the Royal Navy.. Combined with RN Corsairs too.. They had some confrontations with Me-109s and Fw-190s in the coast of norway, (when the allies tried to sink the tirpitz) I think they met like 20 german planes or so.. (it was about 15-20 Corsaris and Hellcats combined) and i think they shot down more german planes than their own loss... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


USN Hellcats saw combat in the ETO too:


€œ€¦The F6F served with distinction in Europe as well. USN Hellcats flew missions over France in support of the Allied landings. During the invasion of southern France (operation Anvil-Dragon), Hellcats flying from the escort carriers Kasaan Bay and Tulagi (VF-71 and VFO-1) performed deep penetration attacks up to 100 miles inside France and flew CAP over the invasion fleet. Five Hellcats were lost to anti-aircraft fire. These same two squadrons also accounted for three Heinkel 111's and three JU-52 transports, shot down over France. They were denied an opportunity to engage German fighters, who fled at their approach. All 6 German aircraft were downed on August 19, 1944, D-Day +4.

The British used the F6F in significant numbers. The majority of these saw their only combat in the Pacific. However, Fleet Air Arm Hellcat I fighters achieved success against the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine. Royal Navy Hellcat I's (F6F-3) were involved in escorting attacks on Tirpitz from April through August 1944. One of these missions, on May 8, 1944, the Luftwaffe came up to protect the battleship. Some #800 squadron Hellcats from HMS Emperor took on the German fighters and shot down 1 Fw-190 and two Bf-109G fighters. The Hellcats suffered one loss to the Luftwaffe and another to anti-aircraft fire. RN Sub/Lt. B. Richie got the Focke-Wulf and went on to total 6 kills, becoming one of only a few Royal Navy Hellcat aces.€

http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Grumman.html

LilHorse
03-10-2005, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnGaurde:
hmmm yes well at the risk of turning this into a did / did not exchange of taunts, i could post a lot of pics of my Ki84 downing p38s, p47s, p51s etc as well. A bad measuring stick, for countless reasons.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The most notable of which would be that the Ki-84 is the uber-noob ride of the Japanese a/c. You're sort of like those guys who fly the La-5FN and delude themselves into believing that they are some kind of terrific aces. Who couldn't rack up kills flying either one of those planes?

One kill in an a/c that is challenging beats cr@p out of ten kills in a kiddie ride any day.

EnGaurde
03-10-2005, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The most notable of which would be that the Ki-84 is the uber-noob ride of the Japanese a/c. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

aaah here it is.

The Amerifan and his put downs of any other capable aircraft not made in the USA. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The fact most late war american aircraft are easily classed as this rather schoolyard milk drinking not fair im telling mummy description of "uber", that doesnt matter.

cant criticise 'em. Its obviously right and proper that american aircraft should rule DF servers. Or any server for that matter.

what puzzles me is how you choose to fly one of the best fighters in the game, and yet write off someone elses choice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

you would only have any credibility if you flew the SBD and nothing else....

Im still amazed how you choose to fly a great fighter, and down others for doing the same.

Baaah ahaha im am certainly no "ace", but i sure do lurve pissing you amerifans off by promoting the Ki84s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Now i suppose you'll try some logical reasoning on how your choice of super plane is valid whereas mine isnt?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VBF-12_Spectre
03-10-2005, 03:47 PM
No need to flame people, any of the planes in this game in the hands of a capable pilot can be dangerous. Ki-84 was definitely on par (if not better) than Allied aircraft at the end of the war. Like any plane, it has its strengths and weakneses. Pilot skills mean everything.
On that note, here's some hard stats on late war fighters. Enjoy
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/ki84performanceaj_1.htm

http://www.vbf-12.com/Spec.JPG

EnGaurde
03-10-2005, 04:43 PM
snazzy link that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The Ki-84 was not clearly superior to any of the Allied fighter aircraft opposing it. In perfect running order it was perhaps the equal of any allied fighter at 20,000 feet or below. A good pilot would be able to take advantage of its excellent turning, climbing and acceleration characteristics to at least give an allied opponent a hard fight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


always refreshing to find info like this. It runs in line with what else ive read, enables me to completely ignore the forum "experts". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

personally, ive found it can outturn the hellcat in about 4 turns, eventually turn against the mustang if you dont get bounced by someone else mid turn and turn rings around the lighting and thunderbolt.

speedwise, its not that quick. Forget chasing the p38 or the p47, and if the mustang is not within guns range to start, grab some height instead and wait for him to come back.

actually the hellcat is probably the closest to outright performance online, that ive found.

i think its slightly superior from climb and turn viewpoints, but if youre not careful it will turn inside you and the 6 gun shooter will burn you up.

im talking about against the b and c, frankly the B's guns allow longer range shooting, all the C does is allow you to kill them quicker.

and all you star spangled amerifans should know how useful that is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

New_York_Flyer
03-10-2005, 05:53 PM
Don't forget the Great Marianas Turkey shoot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

U.S. Forces destroyed 402 enemy combat aircraft. The Hellcats comprised a major part of this force.

The Hellcat has a combat ratio of 19:1, with over 5000 kills. It simply has no counterpart. Most top USN Aces flew the Hellcat.

It proved its mettle in battle.

The Ki-84 is a worthy adversary to the Hellcat. However, in the right hands the Hellcat can smoke the Ki-84s out of the sky.

Moses

ImpStarDuece
03-10-2005, 07:44 PM
For some perverse reason, given the lawnmowing altitudes that this community fights at, I have flown the P-47 since I got AEP. It a great, rugged, slug of a thin with a turn radius approximately equal to the Great Australian Bite.

When I jump into a Hellcat, its like upgrading from a combine harvester to a sportscar. Rate of roll, turn, low speed handeling, stall behaviour are all MAGNIFICENT compared to the Thunderbolt. It has similar speed down low, similar dive acceleration and it almost as tough.

Its almost too easy. I can switch from B'n'Z to E fighting with ease in the F6F. Its a fun, forgiving and deadly plane. I would switch in the late war PF servers but its almost like i'm being disloyal to my jug.

LilHorse
03-11-2005, 02:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnGaurde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The most notable of which would be that the Ki-84 is the uber-noob ride of the Japanese a/c. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

aaah here it is.

The Amerifan and his put downs of any other capable aircraft _not_ made in the USA. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The fact most late war american aircraft are easily classed as this rather schoolyard milk drinking not fair im telling mummy description of "uber", that doesnt matter.

cant criticise 'em. Its obviously right and proper that american aircraft should rule DF servers. Or any server for that matter.

what puzzles me is how you choose to fly one of the best fighters in the game, and yet write off someone elses choice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

you would only have any credibility if you flew the SBD and nothing else....

Im still amazed how you choose to fly a great fighter, and down others for doing the same.

Baaah ahaha im am certainly no "ace", but i sure do lurve pissing you amerifans off by promoting the Ki84s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Now i suppose you'll try some logical reasoning on how _your_ choice of super plane is valid whereas mine isnt?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, genius, I fly blue about 98% of the time, usually German and usually early to mid-war 109s (almost never late ones). So much for my choice of a "super plane". So that shows you what little you know about me.

And while I am an American I'm pretty sure I have as realistic an understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of American planes as anyone, thank you very much. The reason I posted on this subject is because I never really had much of a chance to fly the Hellcat online and was impressed by it's performance. That's why I wondered why I didn't see more ppl flying it. That's all.

So, when was the last time you flew something other than your "super plane"? I'll be willing to bet you've never plunked your virtual a$$ down in a Dauntless as you suggest.

See, I have no problem with anyone flying a Frank or Spit or La-5FN or whatever. It's understandable that ppl want to be able to shoot planes down and have fun. Just don't delude yourself into thinking that:

A) you are some terrific ace and...
B) that you're "teaching some horrible whining American a lesson. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

See, I can use emoticons too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
03-11-2005, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by New_York_Flyer:
Don't forget the Great Marianas Turkey shoot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

U.S. Forces destroyed 402 enemy combat aircraft. The Hellcats comprised a major part of this force.

The Hellcat has a combat ratio of 19:1, with over 5000 kills. It simply has no counterpart. Most top USN Aces flew the Hellcat.

It proved its mettle in battle.

The Ki-84 is a worthy adversary to the Hellcat. However, in the right hands the Hellcat can smoke the Ki-84s out of the sky.

Moses <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Turkey Shoot is a combination of factors:
1) Experienced USN Vets with many numbers of hours of flight and combat experience.
2) Inexeperienced and sometimes poorly trained IJNAF units
3) Outnumbered A6M5's facing a superior number of American fighters
4) A reliable and effective aircraft: The Hellcat

Also keep in mind that during the Turkey Shoot, many of the aircraft encountered were the Jill torpedo bomber and Judy dive bomber. Both suffered grievously at the hands of well co-ordinated fighter screen. I'll submit that the Turkey Shoot would have happened with the Wildcat in the lead...but it may not have had quite the same ratio.

No denying the Hellcats superb performance and certainly no denying the fact that its appearance on the decks of US aircraft carriers redressed the balance of power 1 to 1 with the A6M but lets keep in mind that nothing in history happens for just one reason.

Keep an eye out for my Marianas Turkey Shoot Campaign due say a week after the addon patch from Oleg comes (I need the Jill for accuracy sake).

VBF-12_Spectre
03-11-2005, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A good pilot would be able to take advantage of its excellent turning, climbing and acceleration characteristics to at least give an allied opponent a hard fight.

always refreshing to find info like this. It runs in line with what else ive read, enables me to completely ignore the forum "experts".

personally, ive found it can outturn the hellcat in about 4 turns..... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think you read that properly. Its talking about the excellent turn, climb, and acceleration of the Ki in the hands of good pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope I find EnGuarde online soon, because if he even gets pass my headon, I'll outturn him(Yes, a Cat can outturn a Ki-84, you just have to know how to fly them). If ya think I'm liar, I'll email you about 21 tracks of me dogfighting a Ki-84 in Warbirds_PT_LW server on Hyperlobby http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

horseback
03-11-2005, 04:28 PM
I think that the major objection to the Ki-84 is that as modeled, it is much better than our reading of US pilot accounts would indicate. What we fail to factor in is that Oleg tries to model the aircraft in perfect factory fresh running condition.

With the initial deployments of practically hand-built early production models of the Ki-84 to China (at the same time as the P-51B arrived at the 14thAF, having none of the fixes installed that the 8th AF had addressed-like the P-38 in the 8th, the early Merlin Mustang in China suffered badly from problems already solved in other theaters), the Frank made an impressive debut, but it never consistantly performed as well again.

Most of the examples of the late-war Japanese fighters rarely if ever performed up to their potential, partly because of the loss of most of their skilled technicians in the first half of the war, and poor quality control in its factories as people were pulled into the military and flung into the flames of the war.

Thus, many of the 'easy' kills against the Frank and George in RL were obtained against aircraft that were bluntly malfunctioning before they were engaged. Even so, the Frank or George was rarely engaged by US pilots in a way that permitted the use of its strengths against them.

Had it been as dangerous an opponent as some have found online, the Navy would have fielded the F8F and F4U-4 on carriers much more quickly, and the Air Force would have deployed the P-47N and P-51H to the Pacific quite a bit sooner.

cheers

horseback

fordfan25
03-11-2005, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
I think that the major objection to the Ki-84 is that as modeled, it is much better than our reading of US pilot accounts would indicate. What we fail to factor in is that Oleg tries to model the aircraft in perfect factory fresh running condition.

With the initial deployments of practically hand-built early production models of the Ki-84 to China (at the same time as the P-51B arrived at the 14thAF, having none of the fixes installed that the 8th AF had addressed-like the P-38 in the 8th, the early Merlin Mustang in China suffered badly from problems already solved in other theaters), the Frank made an impressive debut, but it never consistantly performed as well again.

Most of the examples of the late-war Japanese fighters rarely if ever performed up to their potential, partly because of the loss of most of their skilled technicians in the first half of the war, and poor quality control in its factories as people were pulled into the military and flung into the flames of the war.

Thus, many of the 'easy' kills against the Frank and George in RL were obtained against aircraft that were bluntly malfunctioning before they were engaged. Even so, the Frank or George was rarely engaged by US pilots in a way that permitted the use of its strengths against them.

Had it been as dangerous an opponent as some have found online, the Navy would have fielded the F8F and F4U-4 on carriers much more quickly, and the Air Force would have deployed the P-47N and P-51H to the Pacific quite a bit sooner.

cheers

horseback <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i have to agree.

Blackdog5555
03-12-2005, 01:30 AM
In the Mariana Turkey Shoot, The IJN used the Luftbery maneuver to defend against the F6F. was a bad choice. Made for easy shooting. Just a circle of death for the torp planes.
BTW; comparing the F6F to the Ki84 is comparing apples to oranges.