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pdog1
02-02-2006, 12:40 PM
On the flyable planes list there is a
MC-200 III and on the AI list there are
MC-200 I
MC-200 VII
MC-200 VIIFB

I can see there is a few cockpit differences between the I and the III thats why there not flyable but even so the III should have 2x100kg bomb load out as they flew ground attack sorties on the eastern front. The AI Mc200 VIIFB where the FB stands for fighter bomber is AI. I hope Oleg adds simple 2x100kg loadout for the flyable Macchi.

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2006, 01:02 PM
Worrying about something before you`ve seen it is a sure fire-way to get grey hairs early.

JG53Frankyboy
02-02-2006, 01:07 PM
well, but the experience of the last 5 years showed us.............."vorsicht ist die mutter der porzellankiste" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

pdog1
02-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Yes lol what frankyboy said... remember how long it took to get bombs on Hurri IIb... and we still don't have bombs for 109F4 LOLOLOL.

ImpStarDuece
02-02-2006, 02:22 PM
At least were getting the Macchis as flyable pdog, or did you forget your 'promise' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


There are heaps of incorrect and missing loadouts in the game; 109F, 190D, Spitfire V, VIII, IX, Hurricane IIc, P-47. Lets just see what happns first and THEN you can whine about it.

Stigler_9_JG52
02-02-2006, 09:15 PM
It's not like a couple of 100 lb. firecrackers is going to do much anyway but seive a couple canvas covers on a truck or two.

Chill.

ImpStarDuece
02-02-2006, 10:12 PM
Umm, thats 100 kilograms, not 100 pounds.

100 kg = 220 pounds

NAFP_supah
02-03-2006, 01:07 AM
I dare you to sit on 220 pounds of explosive while we set it off.

F19_Olli72
02-03-2006, 02:03 AM
Its not a bad loadout at all for an early plane. Compare with other planetypes max loadout in FB/PF:

Bf 109 E: 250 kg
Wildcat: two 100 lb
IAR 81A & C: 250 kg
Tomahawk IIb: 250 lb
P.11C: two 12.5 kg
Lagg 3: two 50 kg
I-16 type 18 & 24: two 100 kg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

pdog1
02-03-2006, 02:11 AM
Try the 100kg loadout on the Fiat CR42, you can do alot more than seive a few trucks. If there is 100kg italian bomb option on the CR42 there should be the same on the C200.

GoToAway
02-03-2006, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by pdog1:
Yes lol what frankyboy said... remember how long it took to get bombs on Hurri IIb... and we still don't have bombs for 109F4 LOLOLOL. Funny, I thought that you told us that we weren't getting any Italian planes at all? In fact, I believe that you assured us that Oleg was lying to us.

Philipscdrw
02-03-2006, 05:43 AM
This forum should come with a salt-dispenser, so every post could have the necessary pinch of salt included. :P

I always wondered what the P.11C 12.5kg bombs were for. Are they training bombs or something?

Kuna15
02-03-2006, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by NAFP_supah:
I dare you to sit on 220 pounds of explosive while we set it off.

Why is that?
I am almost positive that it wont hurt much. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Abraxa
02-03-2006, 07:21 AM
the FB might be made flyable later.

triggerhappyfin
02-03-2006, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
It's not like a couple of 100 lb. firecrackers is going to do much anyway but seive a couple canvas covers on a truck or two.

Chill.


The enemy could catch one in the eye and go blind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

ploughman
02-03-2006, 12:19 PM
Bombs generally have a little more than 1/2 their weight in explosives. A 220 lb bomb is probably 100 lbs of casing etc and 120 lb of get-big-fast-mix.

I daresay that there are bombs that don't conform to this rule of thumb, but most bog standard dumb-iron bombs seem to, more or less.

Stigler_9_JG52
02-03-2006, 12:46 PM
In any case, pdog, I got your huckleberry...

http://www.naysayers.com/MC200_XXIII_bombed_up.gif

Target:Tobruk (http://www.targetware.net) has a couple MC200 variations, including your 100 kilo and 160 kilo bomb packages. Plus a good flight model, too... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif AND a real, 1:1 scale Med map to fly it over; this dusty little airfield's at Palermo, or maybe Trapani...

pdog1
02-03-2006, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pdog1:
Yes lol what frankyboy said... remember how long it took to get bombs on Hurri IIb... and we still don't have bombs for 109F4 LOLOLOL. Funny, I thought that you told us that we weren't getting any Italian planes at all? In fact, I believe that you assured us that Oleg was lying to us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh he'll give them to us, they'll just be porked. I'll bet anybody 100 bucks that the Macchis will fly like pigs and the Emil will be able to out fly them all lol.

ImpStarDuece
02-03-2006, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by pdog1:

Oh he'll give them to us, they'll just be porked. I'll bet anybody 100 bucks that the Macchis will fly like pigs and the Emil will be able to out fly them all lol.


Originally posted by pdog1:

<span class="ev_code_RED">Posted Sun January 08 2006 01:11</span>

Thats EXACTLY why Oleg is not going to release the italian fighters. They would make those stupid russian planes look like toys and he can't have that. So instead he only released crappy italian a/c like the g50 and cr42 so peoples perception of italian a/c are crappy ones meanwhile he keeps his russian super a/c.
Bah whatever, so biased. Face it these planes will never flyable, i'm telling you right now.
Oleg has never cared and he will never care.
If you want to fly a Macchi you better go get CFS3 and dl one because you sure as hell ain't gonna fly a Macchi in IL2, I guarantee it.

Whoops http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
02-03-2006, 03:23 PM
Uh, pdog, hate to break it to ya, but...

an Emil will handily outfly a MC200. That's not even a contest. Just on climb alone, it's game over. On weapons, game over. On pure turning, the Macchi has a chance. But it likely wouldn't come to just that.

But they were on the same side then, if I recall...

Willey
02-03-2006, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by pdog1:
Yes lol what frankyboy said... remember how long it took to get bombs on Hurri IIb... and we still don't have bombs for 109F4 LOLOLOL.

Not to mention the russian Hurri Fieldmod. There are accounts that these were armed with 200kg bombs + 6 or 8 RS-82. We got nuffin.

Or then they changed the He-111 loadouts with AEP. What we got now is total ****. H-2 is half loaded and H-6 has 95% unrealistic options.

Or the A-20G and B-25... they've not even half of which they were able to carry. That's just sad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Il-2 Sturmovik, a ground attack simulation mutated to a late war dogfight fest. Ground attack is really undermodelled.

LEXX_Luthor
02-03-2006, 07:51 PM
100kg bombs good for early war Offline campaign use.

stump for MC200 bombs.

Cossack13
02-03-2006, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by pdog1:
...and the Emil will be able to out fly them all lol.
Emil akhbar, eh?

Marcel_Albert
02-03-2006, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Willey:
Not to mention the russian Hurri Fieldmod. There are accounts that these were armed with 200kg bombs + 6 or 8 RS-82. We got nuffin.

Or then they changed the He-111 loadouts with AEP. What we got now is total ****. H-2 is half loaded and H-6 has 95% unrealistic options.

Or the A-20G and B-25... they've not even half of which they were able to carry. That's just sad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Il-2 Sturmovik, a ground attack simulation mutated to a late war dogfight fest. Ground attack is really undermodelled.

I agree with you Willey ..
We needed more ground attack planes , and early war planes , instead of late war planes that are of litle use for campaigns and historical coops .

I guess it benefits mainly the online dogfighters on warclouds and such servers , i hope that for BoB Oleg will not fall again into pressure by a forum or a small part of the community , and will model the planes that flew the most , including bombers, to have a rather complete realistic set for each theater of operations , before switching to another one , well i hope so .

pdog1
02-04-2006, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Uh, pdog, hate to break it to ya, but...

an Emil will handily outfly a MC200. That's not even a contest. Just on climb alone, it's game over. On weapons, game over. On pure turning, the Macchi has a chance. But it likely wouldn't come to just that.

But they were on the same side then, if I recall...

I was talking about the C202 because it has the same engine as the Emil but now it seems the Emil is 20kph faster and climbs and turns better than the C202 with same engine.
Emil akbar i guess. Another thing wrong with the C200 is two seperate triggers to fire both machine guns. I'm pretty sure this is wrong and it was one button on the stick to fire the 2 mgs like how its on the G50 and CR42.
Another annoying thing is no option to remove 7.7mm wing guns on the C202.

pdog1
02-04-2006, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Willey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pdog1:
Yes lol what frankyboy said... remember how long it took to get bombs on Hurri IIb... and we still don't have bombs for 109F4 LOLOLOL.

Not to mention the russian Hurri Fieldmod. There are accounts that these were armed with 200kg bombs + 6 or 8 RS-82. We got nuffin.

Or then they changed the He-111 loadouts with AEP. What we got now is total ****. H-2 is half loaded and H-6 has 95% unrealistic options.

Or the A-20G and B-25... they've not even half of which they were able to carry. That's just sad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Il-2 Sturmovik, a ground attack simulation mutated to a late war dogfight fest. Ground attack is really undermodelled. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

QFMFT. I hope things change for Bob/Med sim.

Tooz_69GIAP
02-04-2006, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by pdog1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Uh, pdog, hate to break it to ya, but...

an Emil will handily outfly a MC200. That's not even a contest. Just on climb alone, it's game over. On weapons, game over. On pure turning, the Macchi has a chance. But it likely wouldn't come to just that.

But they were on the same side then, if I recall...

I was talking about the C202 because it has the same engine as the Emil but now it seems the Emil is 20kph faster and climbs and turns better than the C202 with same engine.
Emil akbar i guess. Another thing wrong with the C200 is two seperate triggers to fire both machine guns. I'm pretty sure this is wrong and it was one button on the stick to fire the 2 mgs like how its on the G50 and CR42.
Another annoying thing is no option to remove 7.7mm wing guns on the C202. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, are you trying to tell us that you are a beta tester, or that you have acquired a beta release, and that you think the MC.202 is porked, and the MC.200 needs two triggers to fire both it's MGs?

Anyway, look on the bright side, you didn't have to kill yourself, and you now got more Italian planes to zoom around in, no matter how porked they are!!

pdog1
02-04-2006, 03:41 AM
lol i don't have to kill my self yeah!
lol tooz... please the beta leaks more than the nyc sewer. Spend 5 minutes in HL and you'll see it linked. There are even beta DF games going on. This is nothing new though its been like this since IL2 1.0.
Still wheres fiat g55 and re2001?
Well your right at least i can fly around in an italian plane with closed cockpit for once.

269GA-Veltro
02-04-2006, 04:01 AM
Pdog, the C.200 FB as AI has been a bad surprise for all of us. The italians can't attack ground targets.
BTW, we could have it later.

For the desertic map we'll use the CR 42 as Jabo.

pdog1
02-04-2006, 04:41 AM
Rgr Veltro, aspetto lo giorno che posso fare un vola con gli bombe sotto un macchi nell fronte orientale. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

269GA-Veltro
02-04-2006, 04:43 AM
Esatto Pdog.
Intanto preparati ad incontrare P-47, P-38, P-51 e Spit sul 205. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

pdog1
02-04-2006, 04:49 AM
Veltro - i don't know about that seems the C205 is a bit porked and slow.
At 5000m you get black smoke out the engine have to lower mix to 80. LOL.
You don't have to do this with a 109G2 with the same DB605 engine. Also the C205 has no tailwheel. Good thing this is beta eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BM357_Sniper
02-04-2006, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by pdog1:
Veltro - i don't know about that seems the C205 is a bit porked and slow.
At 5000m you get black smoke out the engine have to lower mix to 80. LOL.
You don't have to do this with a 109G2 with the same DB605 engine. Also the C205 has no tailwheel. Good thing this is beta eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Just off the top of my head, but doesn't the G2 have auto mixture so you don't have to mess with it? lol

pdog1
02-04-2006, 05:28 AM
Thats the 190 with the little auto box thingy that controls engine functions. The 109 didn't have that. DB605 engine is a DB605 engine.

Abraxa
02-04-2006, 05:52 AM
Pdog don't tease http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Some of the problems you mention have been already fixed, after the first debug.

269GA-Veltro
02-04-2006, 05:57 AM
LoL
Sei un GRANDE Pdog, un MITO!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aspettiamo la release ufficiale.

pdog1
02-04-2006, 06:26 AM
Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
LoL
Sei un GRANDE Pdog, un MITO!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aspettiamo la release ufficiale.

Ancora due settimani. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
02-04-2006, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by pdog1:
lol tooz... please the beta leaks more than the nyc sewer.

Hehehhe.

Well, pdog1, like I said, none of those problems exist in Target:Tobruk. (http://targettobruk.twsim.net/) You can actually see out of the G-50 there (I think they actually put a *seat* in the Freccia, so you're not sitting in the bottom of the fuselage with all the wiring http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). And you'll appreciate an actual Sicilian map there, not a 'round desert blob' stuck in some corner of a postage stamp, half-a_ssed desert map.

Flakwalker
02-04-2006, 06:06 PM
I don´t know much about the MC.200 versions, but for a book I have the MC.200 versions was based on the different semi-open cockpits. So there was a Macchi, Breda and SIAI-Ambrosini. If the MC.200 III is like the last one it could carry bombs, at least while waiting for the others.

Either way, the plane will be very interesting on a 1940 planeset.

pdog1
02-04-2006, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pdog1:
lol tooz... please the beta leaks more than the nyc sewer.

Hehehhe.

Well, pdog1, like I said, none of those problems exist in Target:Tobruk. (http://targettobruk.twsim.net/) You can actually see out of the G-50 there (I think they actually put a *seat* in the Freccia, so you're not sitting in the bottom of the fuselage with all the wiring http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). And you'll appreciate an actual Sicilian map there, not a 'round desert blob' stuck in some corner of a postage stamp, half-a_ssed desert map. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DL link is down... besides i don't even have the base game.

Stigler_9_JG52
02-04-2006, 10:04 PM
try Targetware.net (http://www.targetware.net) You should be able to find a download link to most mods there, although if :Tobruk's site is down, you might have to wait for it to pop up again...

The :Tobruk crew is up to something big...their site's been dark the whole weekend...hmmmm....

GoToAway
02-04-2006, 10:56 PM
One would think that the fact that about 5 people actually play Targetware would have stopped Stigler from constantly posting about it in ORR two years ago or so, but alas.

I still can't figure out why he comes here since Targetware is supposedly so much better than the Il-2 series. I think I may start posting on the Targetware official forums to suggest that everybody try Il-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles (http://www.pacific-fighters.com) every time that I post. I mean, that would not be obnoxious at all.

ElAurens
02-04-2006, 11:20 PM
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GerritJ9
02-05-2006, 06:15 AM
William Green's "Warplanes of the Second World War: Fighters Volume 2" lists the fighter-bomber payload as eight 33lb bombs, or two 110, 220 or 353 lb bombs, or alternatively two 22 or 33 Imp. gal drop tanks. This in addition to the two 12.7mm machine guns with 370 r.p.g.

Stigler_9_JG52
02-05-2006, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
One would think that the fact that about 5 people actually play Targetware would have stopped Stigler from constantly posting about it in ORR two years ago or so, but alas.

I still can't figure out why he comes here since Targetware is supposedly so much better than the Il-2 series. I think I may start posting on the Targetware official forums to suggest that everybody try Il-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles (http://www.pacific-fighters.com) every time that I post. I mean, that would not be obnoxious at all.

No, it wouldn't be.
All these games bear comparison to others. If they don't measure up, then whose fault is that?

I would think that many members of this community would appreciate some accurate, non-biased modeling from time to time. Some 1:1 scale maps. Some real engine and aircraft systems management. Who knows? YMMV.

@pdog: I was right, something big WAS afoot at :Tobruk. They overhauled the scoring pa_rser, and introduced 3 marks of.... the dreaded Spitfire!!! Go try it now.

GoToAway
02-05-2006, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
No, it wouldn't be.
All these games bear comparison to others. If they don't measure up, then whose fault is that? There's a difference between making comparisons and perpetually being a living advertisement.

By the way, did you know that Il-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/) will be getting a Do-335A-0 in the next patch? I really like Il-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/).


I would think that many members of this community would appreciate some accurate, non-biased modeling from time to time. But I guess you didn't think that anybody that would be interested in such things (in your opinion) might have already clicked on any one of the hundreds of links you have posted here in the past couple of years?

All I've ever seen you do here is complain about Il-2 and muscle into topics to promote Targetware (which you generally work into your complaints, anyway.)

Have you stopped to consider how many people you may actually be turning off to Targetware by perpetually doing this?

Stigler_9_JG52
02-05-2006, 06:12 PM
I see people from here over there all the time. All I can ask for is a look-see and an honest comparison.

Question for you: why are you so put out that I do that? Really, the only reason I do it is because this sim is so dissapointing on so many levels, and it doesn't have to be that way.

If this sim would deliver the goods, I'd probably fly it much more, like I used to.

And I'm really not that concerned that pointing out the foibles of this sim and comparing them against other sims "puts people off". If it bothers them so much that they won't even have a look at an alternative and make up their own minds... well, they're just fanboi sheep anyway, and wouldn't try it if I paid 'em to.