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stalkervision
01-23-2008, 11:06 AM
THOSE BORN 1920-1979



TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!!



First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.



They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.



Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.



We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.



As infants &children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.



Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.



We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.



We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.



We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank Kool-aid made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because,

WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!



We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.



No one was able to reach us all day.And we were OK.



We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.



We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computer! s, no Internet or chat rooms.......

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them! ! !



We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.



We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.



We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not poke out very many eyes.



We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!



Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!



The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!



These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!



The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
! !


If YOU are one of them CONGRATULATIONS!



You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives for our own good .

While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave (and lucky) their parents were.



Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
01-23-2008, 11:10 AM
Well, that answers a lot of questions I had about this community. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

Deedsundone
01-23-2008, 11:21 AM
Yup Indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Dance
01-23-2008, 11:21 AM
Being born in '65, I escaped many of this centuries horrors. I still however remember growing up in the shadow of a mushroom cloud, don't remember many of the other issues having an effect on me. Now where did I put that bifter down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

cawimmer430
01-23-2008, 11:32 AM
1982 here! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

waffen-79
01-23-2008, 11:33 AM
Almost made it, Born in January 1979, you're spot on!

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Covino
01-23-2008, 11:42 AM
I've done most on that list... but it still doesn't hold a candle to what children of some 3rd world or wartorn countries had (have) to go through...

Urufu_Shinjiro
01-23-2008, 11:57 AM
I was born in '78, but I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif my nintendo!

jadger
01-23-2008, 12:06 PM
I was born in '86 but I still did all that stuff you're talking about, except for my mom drinkin when pregnant.

so where's my congratulations? and why the arbritary date set?

GreyFox5
01-23-2008, 12:20 PM
Man I think you grew up in my neighborhood. - b. 1966.

I used to ride my bike for hours in the summer...

drink from the hose...

go and see movies on the weekends walking like 4-5miles to the theater...

Cheers!

gizmo60
01-23-2008, 12:21 PM
1960
makes me feel kinda special
never did eat the worms tho and we cooked them first

han freak solo
01-23-2008, 12:29 PM
I still drink out of a water hose, but I got dain bramage. he he

roybaty
01-23-2008, 12:33 PM
I lived in an inner city ghetto growing up...things were...uhmm different http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

Dance
01-23-2008, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by roybaty:
I lived in an inner city ghetto growing up...things were...uhmm different http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

I grew up in an inner-city grotto, was kinda cool.. Santa and elves n sh** http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

sgt.dumpster
01-23-2008, 12:48 PM
born in 1967 here! i'm afraid to have my health checked out now.Damn, wheres my scissors????????

Dustysquareback
01-23-2008, 01:02 PM
Born in early 78. Much of this is true for my childhood.

However, times change. Rather than contrasting the current situation to the former, in a critical light, how bout we try and get a grasp and HOW and WHY these things have changed, and how WE ourselves can make the best of it.

Mighty Oak, or Sinewy Williow, eh? Bend, or break.

jadger
01-23-2008, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by gizmo60:
1960
makes me feel kinda special
never did eat the worms tho and we cooked them first

HEY!! you were born the same year as my dad! lol

SeaFireLIV
01-23-2008, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
THOSE BORN 1920-1979



TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!!



First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.



They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.



Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.



We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.



As infants &children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.



Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.



We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.



We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.



We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank Kool-aid made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because,

WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!



We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.



No one was able to reach us all day.And we were OK.



We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.



We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computer! s, no Internet or chat rooms.......

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them! ! !



We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.



We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.



We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not poke out very many eyes.



We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!



Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!



The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!



These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!



The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
! !


If YOU are one of them CONGRATULATIONS!



You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives for our own good .

While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave (and lucky) their parents were.



Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
01-23-2008, 01:04 PM
1952. Given the activities in which we engaged (even including the "gurls"), I am amazed so many of us are still alive. There are a lot of walking wounded, though. A lot. You are right about the toll from "unstructured play," before I was 13, I had broken two collar bones, and shattered my left arm---all in separate incidents.

I don't think the current crop of kids are that sheltered---so many of the poor little buggers are being treated for allergies and asthma. Saw a story about a girl with allergies who was killed by her toothpaste. Also, the damned doctors are filling them full of drugs, including serotonin reuptake inhibitors which may be driving them crazy. Brave new world.

foxfire1941
01-23-2008, 01:21 PM
Great post, I forgot how much fun we had growing up, roughing it with only 3 TV stations and they were all in B&W. I guess that's why I learned to draw and build things out of scrap and junk.

"We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents."

- I was climbing trees with my buddy in an apple orchard when we were 10 or so, he fell out of a tree and I didn't. After we walked home his mom blamed me for him falling out of the tree. I didn't ask him to climb it, he decided that on his own. We loved sports and this was a sport to us. But, he did rupture his spleen from this accident. I was a little older than him, so maybe I should have stopped him from taking such risks. -I miss my buddy, those fresh free apples & those swaying climbing trees.

stalkervision
01-23-2008, 01:55 PM
I use to get my younger brother to do anything. I considered him a living "crash test dummy" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

actually he wasn't doing anything all of the rest of us weren't doing. You could get any other kid in the neighborhood to do anything you wanted on a dare.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mortoma
01-23-2008, 01:58 PM
I came close to getting killed about a hundred times when I was a kid in the sixties and early seventies. Maybe there really are guardian angels? And the close calls I had on motorcycles when I was a young adult...wow!!

I nearly got killed by everything, from mean cows on our farm that had horns to nearly sinking in quicksand in the creek. And yes, my brother almost shot my eye out with a BB gun. He hit me square on the forehead, above and between my eyes. And he was trying to hit me too!!

I_KG100_Prien
01-23-2008, 02:23 PM
Things were like that in the 80's as well.

buzzsaw1939
01-23-2008, 02:25 PM
Ah yes! the freedom's... A word from gramps here.

I could add a lot to that list, chemicals in our water, food and air, I still drink out of mountain streams, with out getting sick, I belive I have more ammunitys at my older age because of those days, remmember when we where taught, the good bacteria vs the bad, that our systems need those? don't hear much about that anymore, and when you get sick today, whats the first thing they give you?

I've always belived, if you take freedoms from a people all at once, you'll have a war, if you do it slowly, apathy will prevail, and no one worries that much till it's to late!

On the lighter side, about the worms!

I never ate any myself, but my sister did! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks for sparking some good memories Stalker! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jagdgeschwader2
01-23-2008, 02:29 PM
We rode our minibikes and go carts on the streets and the cops would just warn us to be careful and not make too much noise. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Then there were the BB gun wars. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I also came very close to having my eye put out with a BB gun. The SWAT team would be out if anyone tried that today.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader245.jpg

Billy_BigBoy
01-23-2008, 02:39 PM
1965, so technicly I am dead, right?

The one thing I am the most thankful of is that I have survived the cold war. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Snyde-Dastardly
01-23-2008, 03:13 PM
69 here and I remember all that and I was the crash test younger brother who would do anything BUT eat worms http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But I to thought we were gonna get nuked at any moment so I lived every day like a crazed mad man and drove my mother through the roof. I loved to make cockpits out of cardboard boxes full of lights and stuff I could find in the garage.

Now I look back at it Im amazed Im not dead with all the crazy things Ive done,,,heck Id do it all over again!
CARPE VITA!!

Woof603
01-23-2008, 03:25 PM
1930 here and I'm delighted to see there's still a little nostalgia around.

stalkervision
01-23-2008, 03:44 PM
This just came to me from those days. My brother use to love to raid my room while I wasn't looking and make off with all my stuff that he liked better then his own,which was everything I had basically. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Well this got to me finally. I rigged up an alarm with a siren that would go off when someone entered the room. It worked at first till my brother figured out that all he had to do was open and close the door of my room enough that my parents would scream at me to turn it off.
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Not to be stopped that easily I rigged up a hammer to come swinging down and clock him good on the noggin if he tried it again. I wrapped the hammer with a sock just to make sure I wouldn't give him major brain damage when it hit him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well what followed next went like this. I was sitting in the living room watching tv in full view of my room. My brother appeared and gave me a sneeky little grin..( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ) and grabbed onto the handle of the door looking all the while at me laughing to himself that he was going to open the door and set the siren off again. What he didn't know was I had replaced the siren with that hammer..

He took one last look at me, opened the door and stuck his head in.

The hammer hit him square on the noggin and he stumbled back out of the room with a confused look on his face like a boxer that just took a really good shot.

Needless to say the hammer trick only worked once but that look on his face at the time was priceless.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bewolf
01-23-2008, 03:54 PM
*le sigh*

78 here. 1 more week and I am 30. Time passes way too fast already.

Krt_Bong
01-23-2008, 04:24 PM
1959 I remember my Dad installing a Tenna Rotor to turn the TV antenna, I had an Atari 2600 in '79 and actually thought it was cool!

Crazy_Goanna
01-23-2008, 04:29 PM
Born 1954, in Australia here. Great Post brought back all the memories of these things we did and nearly got severely hurt or maimed, but the guardian angels saved us in the nick of time. Lived on the outskirts of a city so had the creeks and paddocks and bush to play in as well--great times. Yeah billy carts with no brakes and huge hills to go down --grazed limbs a regular occurrence.
Move to the country and near the coast so my daughter could experience many of these thing. We use our computers too much but still go bush and experience wildlife the bush and the ocean.
Like a second childhood for me as I had to travel for hours to have what is now nearby. I hope she has similar memories in her future as its sure different here than the cities.

PF_Coastie
01-23-2008, 04:30 PM
1962 here. UGH!

I lived on a dead end street and all the kids on the block were like one big family. We would run in and out of all the houses on the block like they were our own.

We used to line up trash cans at the end of the dead end and see who could jump the most with our 3 and 5 speed bikes with our banana seats and sissy bars! I had the all time record which turned out to be the last jump ever. It was so funny, I can still see it in slow motion.

We set up 5 cans. The ramp was about 5 feet high dirt at the end of the side walk on the dead-end. I started at the beginning of the street which was about 300-400yds long. I was on my "brand new" five speed. So I get pedaling as hard as I can and shifting through all the gears. By the time I got to that ramp I thinking to myself, "OH MY GOD, WHAT AM I DOING". Then I hit the ramp and just launched! I probably could have cleared 15 trash cans long stacked 3 high. Last thing I remember was thinking this is gonna hurt. Next thing I remember was my mom over top of me bawling! I was fine though, just knocked my head on the handle bars and had a really cool lump for about a week. Good times!

I remember the time my sister grabbed an electric fence that went across a little stream we were tubing down. We had some awesome times tubing down creeks then walking back 5 miles because we didnt want our parents to know how far we went!

I could go on forever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

stalkervision
01-23-2008, 04:38 PM
excellent.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lurch1962
01-23-2008, 04:45 PM
Born 1962.
In junior high school a friend and I would make up our own gunpowder. One of the neat pieces of ordnance we cooked up was what we called an "impact grenade". In a *very* densely wrapped package was a spoonful of powder and a bunch of light-anywhere match heads. Hurl or sling-shot one of these against any hard surface, and after about 1-1.5 second delay... BANG! Paper and foil bits all over the place. And of course there were the usual re- sealed tin cans which we'd blast inside-out, and so on.....

Monterey13
01-23-2008, 05:11 PM
Born in '67

I remember we used to ride our bikes out to the edge of town and skate on this old farmers' pond. One time we were there, it was REALLY cold, so we stood up some old tin, and built a fire inside it. We would skate a bit, then go over and warm up for a few minutes, then skate some more.

Well...one time, after skating a few minutes, I looked over, and the tin had blown down. There was this HUGE fire that had spread about halfway around the pond, and was spreading into a field. We all jumped on our bikes and hauled *** home. I told my mom, and she called the fire department, gave them the address, then hung up real quick. That was before caller ID. My mom was cool with stuff like that. She knew we were just being kids and having fun. She used to dig the BB's out of us whenever we would have BB gun wars.

I remember another pond that we rode like 10 miles to get to, and went swimming. We found out after about 5 minutes that it was a leech pond. It was quite interesting trying to pull off all those leeches afterwards...lol...never went there again.

I could go on and on..................

DuxCorvan
01-23-2008, 05:20 PM
1971. We had ONE B&W TV set, where we could see the only ONE channel -then there were two. I actually read books and comics, and if I wanted music, I used a pick-up or listened to the radio, go figure.
I used to go out w. friends and play pinball, billiards or table-football. We also did risky things, like crazy experiments with gunpowder, phosphor of the matches, balloons and the like. We explored abandoned houses and solitaire places in the city roundabouts (we once discovered a SCW bunker with a MG nest, the rusted MG was still there!).
My first PC was an 8086, 8Mhz, 512kb RAM, no HD, CGA graphics (8 colours), B&W screen, a 360kb 5,25" floppy drive... it was about 1987.

Schwarz.13
01-23-2008, 06:09 PM
1975 for me, a great year for international terrorism - kind of makes Al-Quaeda look like a bunch of half-arsed part-timers!

Great post by the way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Life will never be the same again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

drsmith
01-23-2008, 06:22 PM
Born 1933...Great nostalgic post...But
left off the list was the fact that we could go to bed at night and leave the screen door unlocked. As a rule, people just would not even think of entering someone else's home uninvited.

I was only 12 when WWII ended...but remember those dark days well. I wanted to be a fighter pilot in the Army Air Corps. But much to my dismay, our military didn't accept 12 year olds. Yep, I'm 75 now...but I'm 20 years old again each time I climb into the cockkpit of my choice of fighter planes in IL-2 1946! And I ain't too bad a shot either.

Blood_Splat
01-23-2008, 06:28 PM
1980 here. I remember riding my bike through the woods everyday. We use to jump this hill called "snake hill". If you missed you landed in the creek. Those were the days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif. I remember playing cop and robbers with our cap guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

willyvic
01-23-2008, 08:06 PM
1954 here.

We made our own skateboards and sand surfers.

Old cardboard boxes that washing machines came in were our sleds for the grass hills.

Sunflower seeds and 16oz cokes were the diet of choice.

Modified bikes with banana seats and extended forks where our mounts.

There was a bar and grocery store on just about every corner.

Thank you for the memories.

WV

M_Gunz
01-23-2008, 08:15 PM
Somebody has forgotten a whole lot of what happened back then and recast history to fit.
Forgotten tons of sh_t really, or maybe just never paid attention or just never heard.

Gee, the cave people survived so we should all give up everything they didn't have too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Riders On The Storm wasn't written until when?

DrHerb
01-23-2008, 09:36 PM
Born Feb 26 1979, did that brain my damage? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

buzzsaw1939
01-23-2008, 09:37 PM
It makes the heart happy to remmember the good stuff Gunz! Maybe you should try it.

Nobody forgets, we just chose not too dwell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

GAU-8
01-23-2008, 09:52 PM
i remember the backseat of the VW BEETLE my mom an pop had, was taken out(or folded down) and a crib was placed there for me to ride around in. a CRIB!!!

talk about a field day in todays society!

LEBillfish
01-23-2008, 10:58 PM
1964 here, my father didn't have a TV, phone, any appliance, electricity or plumbing and so on... and I myself as well till 1990 (sans plumbing which was 88)....Chew on that a while http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

leitmotiv
01-24-2008, 12:31 AM
I lived three years without TV when I was in grad school (voluntarily), and was happy as a clam. I lived for more than a year without TV in London and never missed it a sec. Maybe you are less brain damaged than the rest of us due to your not having TV, BF San, heah heah.

rnzoli
01-24-2008, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
THOSE BORN 1920-1979
Uh, this is nothing more than a pitiful self-justification of a (couple of) generations.

When I was a kid, I don't know how many times I heard the adults say "in our times, yes, those were the days, but now, it's nothing".

And it goes like this again and again: each generation trying to find exuses why "their times" were the days and pat themselves on their back.

Well, I have got news: people born after 1979 do have different challenges in a different environment. Not LESS.

Waldo.Pepper
01-24-2008, 02:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4zdgN3vtYY

"The world has changed. You can too."

buzzsaw1939
01-24-2008, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
THOSE BORN 1920-1979
Uh, this is nothing more than a pitiful self-justification of a (couple of) generations.

When I was a kid, I don't know how many times I heard the adults say "in our times, yes, those were the days, but now, it's nothing".

And it goes like this again and again: each generation trying to find exuses why "their times" were the days and pat themselves on their back.

Well, I have got news: people born after 1979 do have different challenges in a different environment. Not LESS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

MMM... And I was just noticeing the childhood commonality between the generations, In case you don't know, us older people had to listen to that stuff too! but now we have enough wisdom to understand what that was about, it was just good memorys of simpler times, I wouldn't want to be a kid today, over population, polution and anger, to name a few.

Change is inevitable, but theres nothing wrong with nostalgia, it can be a powerful and healing force for happyness.

One day you will know what I'm saying!

Monty_Thrud
01-24-2008, 06:26 AM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//Regular_Waving_Emoticon.gif AYEEE!...You were LUCKY! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsWd5QC7K5E)http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//russian_roulette.gif

buzzsaw1939
01-24-2008, 06:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Hey Dux was in there! Marty Feldman.

LEBillfish
01-24-2008, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
THOSE BORN 1920-1979
Uh, this is nothing more than a pitiful self-justification of a (couple of) generations.

When I was a kid, I don't know how many times I heard the adults say "in our times, yes, those were the days, but now, it's nothing".

And it goes like this again and again: each generation trying to find exuses why "their times" were the days and pat themselves on their back.

Well, I have got news: people born after 1979 do have different challenges in a different environment. Not LESS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, I took the lead post as though folks from those years had it easier due to it being simpler, and had the most opportunity at seeing their own lives improve dramatically........So simply had it more fortunate then those later.

Then again.....I'm not simply spoiling for a fight. Maybe that's why my giving the benefit of the doubt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

buzzsaw1939
01-24-2008, 07:52 AM
Well said!

Paladin851
01-24-2008, 08:51 AM
1951....No color TV .no stereo and we really didn't care!!!! Just as long as Flash Gordon,Sky king and Rocket man were keeping the airwaves clear of bad guys and Sargent Preston of the Yukon was keeping the radio side of things under control life was good. Then of course there was Annette the over-developed Mouseketeer......Yup we had things and did things to entertain ourselves,they were just different things.

rnzoli
01-24-2008, 09:36 AM
Actually, I took the lead post as though folks from those years had it easier due to it being simpler,
Maybe so. In any case, I hold onto the bottom line, different times = different environment with different challenges. Gotta look hard to find your happiness whether you are young or old. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
01-24-2008, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
It makes the heart happy to remmember the good stuff Gunz! Maybe you should try it.

Nobody forgets, we just chose not too dwell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I remember from some time in 58 on and sure we had the wild times, still had em 1980 and beyond.
I'm just not up to having it re-arranged and revised especially to make some black and white
statement that's simply not true.

The country went litigation happy that I remember in the 60's but really that was going on before
then. When the population swells and the news sensationalizes stories then impressions get made
that a little hard looking reveals are not what they're played up to be.

If I want to get nostalgic and BS'sy then can I play up some $#!+ about how things never got
played up until after I became aware of things being played up?

I've listened to how before the 60's everyone was safe and nobody did bad things and people
got married before sex and kids and taxes were reasonable -- all of course as buildup to how
our church members should stay tight and push hard for Moral Majority politics. This was not
long before I left, I can't F___ing stand politics and LIES from the pulpit, that 'message'
was Grade A Manure top to bottom from people who should have known better but they were kids
back then in their own little protected worlds so that's the way they remember. Study any
history from sex to violence to OMG the tax scheme in the 50's, sure let's go back to that
Mr. Ultraconservative just let me get the ambulance for you first cause you're gonna need it!

I'll take my past and know of the times before warts and all please. Those who don't remember
history are bound to repeat it and the bastids are gonna drag the rest of us along with them.

Back when I did the dangerous things, which went up until not that long ago... it wasn't any
less crazy then than it is now and AFAIK it's all still being done today, I see examples every
week.

Sure I had good times. Wouldn't trade any of it for having done nothing even if I could walk
straight and not hurt and expect to live longer since the longer part would be dull-dull-dull!
No man, just please don't ask me to buy BS when I see it or try to force my round peg down yet
someone else's version of another square hole.

I remember things enough as they WERE, too bad change happens but we can't go back. This kind
of thing only serves as fodder for yet more bad politics, pulling the wool over our eyes to let
the next stupid scheme happen. We're not entering a recession, HARD TIMES, because of anything
but the massive spending spree of the past 7 and some years no matter how much anyone wants to
shift the blame nor how many *******es want to believe and repeat crafted political messages,
I get those regularly in email already THANKS.

Even my past, they want to take that away now.........

buzzsaw1939
01-24-2008, 02:52 PM
Ok! Ok!...calm down man! I know what your saying, and totally agree, I found out that dwelling on that sh*t, when nobody seems to care anymore, just makes (me) sick, you should here me on a bad day! (my poor wife).

we as a people have the power to change it, but nobody wants to bother while scrambling for the dollar, sense theres not much I can do about it at my age, I choose to remmember good times, stress kills!

I_KG100_Prien
01-24-2008, 05:03 PM
There are lots of places (Going to speak of the U.S because thats where I am), where you can still keep your door unlocked. You can still find stores and bars on corners. You can still go out and ride your bike, run in the woods, play cowboys and indians, and all this other stuff that some are looking at as being "bygone..."

Head out to "Rural America". Get away from the big cities and discover the small towns. Where I grew up, I could walk down the road with a rifle in my hand and a pistol strapped to my hip.. Nobody would say a word or give me a sideways glance. (except maybe the weekend tourists come up to sample the wines from the vineyards). Everybody knew each other, 90% of folks were friendly. The "Sheriff's Log" in the newspaper only contained a list of misdemeanor offenses. The one homicide I can remember, was front page news because it was the first one that had happened in over 20 years. (Knew the lady who got hucked down the mineshaft too.. also knew the jerk off who did it...)

All experienced by someone born in 1981.

Still experienced by those who live there and were born in 1991, probably much the same for those born 2001. It hasn't changed much.

zardozid
01-24-2008, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
THOSE BORN 1920-1979
Uh, this is nothing more than a pitiful self-justification of a (couple of) generations.

When I was a kid, I don't know how many times I heard the adults say "in our times, yes, those were the days, but now, it's nothing".

And it goes like this again and again: each generation trying to find exuses why "their times" were the days and pat themselves on their back.

Well, I have got news: people born after 1979 do have different challenges in a different environment. Not LESS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

MMM... And I was just noticeing the childhood commonality between the generations, In case you don't know, us older people had to listen to that stuff too! but now we have enough wisdom to understand what that was about, it was just good memorys of simpler times, I wouldn't want to be a kid today, over population, polution and anger, to name a few.

Change is inevitable, but theres nothing wrong with nostalgia, it can be a powerful and healing force for happyness.

One day you will know what I'm saying! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


This is very interesting...I don't think this is a byproduct of "our (respective) times" (or is it?)...It's fascinating how different people "see" something different in the words of the "opening post"..."rnzoli" clearly saw this post as a "*****fest", while I (and a few other) found myself (ourselfs) looking back with fondness "at the good old days". If anything I find myself reflecting on "LEBillfish" words and agreeing that things where simpler "way back then"...Example: Riding a bike didn't take a suit of armor...and perverts didn't hide behind every bush...and Dad wasn't trying to kill us by smoking in the car...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.S. I pity kids today...It seems like when I was a kid we where allowed to be children and experience childhood and growing up...

buzzsaw1939
01-24-2008, 07:15 PM
Right on!.. except the smokeing part, we didn't have the right to ask them not to, thats a plus today!

M_Gunz
01-24-2008, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Ok! Ok!...calm down man! I know what your saying, and totally agree, I found out that dwelling on that sh*t, when nobody seems to care anymore, just makes (me) sick, you should here me on a bad day! (my poor wife).

we as a people have the power to change it, but nobody wants to bother while scrambling for the dollar, sense theres not much I can do about it at my age, I choose to remmember good times, stress kills!

So do I, but when people come out with stuff that basically says let's forget lessons learned
then I do feel some responsibility about it.

People buying in to those "it was better back when" revisions only empowers bad politics.

I'd rather hear about walking to school 3 miles through 4 feet of snow uphill, both ways!
hehehe.

Badsight-
01-25-2008, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
Maybe so. In any case, I hold onto the bottom line, different times = different environment with different challenges. Gotta look hard to find your happiness whether you are young or old. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i dont agree

my nephews/neices & their freinds have better stuff than i did at their age , but with it they seem less capable-willing-able

teenage violence & depression seems more widespread amongst them now than it was when i was a teenager

willyvic
01-25-2008, 12:57 AM
Gunz you have lost me. And I'm not trying to stir the sh*t up in here but after rereading and rereading the last three pages I am at a loss as to what, exactly, set you off.

My input was a look at a few of the good times I had as a kid. Perhaps I missed the meaning in the OP. Easy to do I suppose.


WV

rnzoli
01-25-2008, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
my nephews/neices & their freinds have better stuff than i did at their age , but with it they seem less capable-willing-able No doubt, I have the same feeling sometimes. But watch more carefully and you will see that "stuff" and "willingness" have little relation. Having better stuff is NOT the reason for the kid's less motivation, because they seek challenge and entertainment with just whatever they have. The fault is on parents and relatives, who think that giving our kids better stuff should automatically relieve them from providing the necessary motivation too.

Just a simple example. My grandparents played with toys they did themselves, my parents played with rudimentary toys small workshops made, I played with mediocre toys that various factories made, and my kids play with toys that are specially designed and produced in very large numbers. When given the motivation and attention, my kids do wonderful things and get immersed with the new modern toys, just in the same way as they grand-grand parents were immersed in preparing their own toys. I think the big mistake that is often made is the laziness of the people, thinking that just because we have "better stuff", we can sit back and do nothing, instead of investing our energy into motivating others.

I find it sickening that old farts bury themselves in nostalgy, when it was their very responsibility to bring up newer generations, and when they realized their failure, they blame the "new times" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Blah, hypocracy at its best! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


teenage violence & depression seems more widespread amongst them now than it was when i was a teenager Yes, and parental and school-teacher violence was much greater than it was now. That was an important factor holding teenage violence back, and now that it's gone, rightly so!, we realize that we fail to put in the extra effort to raise the kids right. From here on, I think we need to step FORWARD, instead of stepping back.

buzzsaw1939
01-25-2008, 03:55 AM
Hey rnzoli.. How about backing off on the generalizing about old farts burying themselves in nostalgia stuff, I agree what your saying, I see the results of that every day, but I don't see any of that in this thread, just good memorys, ok? cheer up will ya? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

rnzoli
01-25-2008, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
just good memorys, ok? cheer up will ya? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Advice taken! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

stalkervision
01-25-2008, 05:17 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Hey rnzoli.. How about backing off on the generalizing about old farts burying themselves in nostalgia stuff, I agree what your saying, I see the results of that every day, but I don't see any of that in this thread, just good memorys, ok? cheer up will ya? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


Just remember "old farts can learn new tricks" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

woofiedog
01-25-2008, 07:07 AM
P.S. I pity kids today...It seems like when I was a kid we where allowed to be children and experience childhood and growing up.

1953... and can't agree more to the above comment.

And have to add... we did a lot more with a lot less in those days.

And had a total Blast doing it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

han freak solo
01-25-2008, 07:18 AM
An addendum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1967 - Vice principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his own shotgun to show Jack.
2007- School goes into lockdown, the FBI is called, and Jack is hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors are called in to assist traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1967- Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police are called; SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. They are charged with assault and both are expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.
1967- Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra state funding because Jeffrey has a disability.


Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 -Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.


Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some Aspirin to school.
1967- Mark shares Aspirin with the school principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug violations. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario: Pedro fails high-school English.
1967- Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. US Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover Independence Day firecrackers, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1967- Ants die.
2007- Homeland Security and the FBI are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1967- Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in a federal prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.

woofiedog
01-25-2008, 08:01 AM
han freak solo... I'm going to bed after the 11-7 shift with a Good Laugh. Couldn't be said any better! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

LEBillfish
01-25-2008, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
An addendum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Scenario: Jack ............. of therapy.


So very true........HOWEVER, though I agree with everything Hans said there, I do believe all and all all the supposed "non violence pc bs" has changed people quite a bit.....As an example:

Jim one of the less threatening guys here will often when I want to run the dogs on the state land around here go with me vs. the normal brutes (yes I apparently require a keeper at all times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif)....Anywho, the barbarians will get on bike paths and so on, and frankly get in the way of folks doing their thing.....Everytime they do I panic, as in my day disrupt someone doing their thing, and at the very least there was going to be harsh words if not a fight........Yet not one time (and talking when I'm distant a bit out of view Jim with them) has there ever been one harsh word said and most deffinately no violence. In fact, though you can clearly see often it's insincere, the folks are overly polite.

Same in bars, and so on.......Now don't get me wrong, these people have no concept of being little ladies and gentlemen, general manners and courtesy, not cursing constantly, and at the oddest of times getting violent..........Yet by no means is violence near as common as it used to be to resolve problems. Maybe why it seems so much a bigger deal now then then.

zardozid
01-25-2008, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
An addendum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

-----------------------

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1967 - Vice principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his own shotgun to show Jack.
2007- School goes into lockdown, the FBI is called, and Jack is hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors are called in to assist traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1967- Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police are called; SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. They are charged with assault and both are expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.
1967- Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra state funding because Jeffrey has a disability.


<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.</span>
1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 -Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.


Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some Aspirin to school.
1967- Mark shares Aspirin with the school principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug violations. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario: Pedro fails high-school English.
1967- Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. US Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover Independence Day firecrackers, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1967- Ants die.
2007- Homeland Security and the FBI are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1967- Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in a federal prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.

All though I find most of what you write "funny" and ironic...the one comment about getting a "belt whipping" for breaking a window to be a bit excessive...I think the "more appropriate" punishment (when I was a kid) would have been for "Billy" to pay for the repairs himself...by getting an "after school job" or working it off in trade.

In my day a "belt whipping" was a consequence of "seriously dangerous behavior"...Example: involving the neighbors kids in a "stunt" you knew was dangerous (like anything to do with fire)...or picking on smaller kids. Maybe a belt whipping would have been considered appropriate if "Billy" had tried to blame someone else for the "window" or if he had done it on purpose...

han freak solo
01-25-2008, 12:35 PM
My post was taken from an e-mail that landed in my inbox this week. Normally, I don't post e-mail stuff here, but it seemed timely. It's all in fun, and I don't take it too seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

As far as gettin' paddled, etc. I was "corrected" with belts, hands, and paddles. I took paddles all the way through my senior year in high school. I haven't been paddled since 1983. We called 'em swats, though.

My dad was a principal at another school in the district, so about every week my senior year in high school, I got swats from his fishing buddy who was an associate principal at my high school. My dad's buddy had a picture of some bobcats hung above a chair that you had to look at while holding on to the arms of the chair in ready-to-receive mode. He would always say, "watch those bobcats dance", then give me 3 swats.

The reason I got so many swats in my senior year was because I was always tardy to 2nd period after the morning soccer team practice. We practiced twice a day, once in the morning and once after school. Back then 3 tardies equaled 1 after school detention class. If I went to detention, I missed afternoon soccer practice, which meant I didn't get to start the next game.

The school did accept 3 swats in place of 1 detention. Which is what I chose every time, because soccer was my life back then. After a while you get a little used to gettin' swats when you get 'em so often.

That principal is still one of my dad's best friends, and I usually see him whenever I go visit my dad since they've retired in a bay community within a few miles of each other. We get along just fine by the way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Heavy_Weather
01-25-2008, 02:24 PM
Yep, and as a child of the seventies, I dont remember any of my friends or anyone for that matter, hooked on Prozac or Zoloft, or other governmental hocus-pocus drugs. Glad I was born back then. I now say thanks when asked for my ID to buy alcohol or tobacco. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

buzzsaw1939
01-25-2008, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Hey rnzoli.. How about backing off on the generalizing about old farts burying themselves in nostalgia stuff, I agree what your saying, I see the results of that every day, but I don't see any of that in this thread, just good memorys, ok? cheer up will ya? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


Just remember "old farts can learn new tricks" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, I got a bag full! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Pirschjaeger
01-25-2008, 04:20 PM
To be honest, I think now is better than ever.

If someone asked me at what point in my past I'd like to return, I'd have to say around 3:30 this afternoon; I was eating Greek food. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

But seriously, I think life just keeps getting better. Sure, the problems seem to be getting more complex, but then again, so am I. I'm lucky to have been born when I was. I was limited to crappy TV and a bimonthly trip to the library for information until my early 20's. In the last 7 years I've had computers and internet access. When I hear "If I knew then what I know now", I just can't imagine.

To me, a major factor of the "quality of life" is information access. Today, it seems there's no end to the information available. Today, with a little initiative and ambition, we can actually give ourselves practical education in almost any subject. That's priceless.

Just think of what we've learnt from the information posted in this community. Try to get the info you've accumulated here, in the good old days.

The downside to this information technology is that you may know more than you want to. You may get the impression that the world and our societies are decaying rapidly when in truth the world is better and safer than ever and you are more informed.

"The good old days" is just another way of saying "Ignorance was bliss".

That's my perspective.

Fritz

Von_Rat
01-25-2008, 06:02 PM
on the whole life is alot better now than then, im 51 btw.


the only thing thats really changed for the worse is the pc ****, and the related spare the rod stuff. imo the latter is responsable for the increase in violence from "the good ole days".

T_O_A_D
01-25-2008, 06:18 PM
65 model here, but it was these Generations that grew up, and allowed all this new stuff to be invented, and prioritzed above all those old values.

We are fat and lazy now, because we choose to be, simple as that.

All those old things can and do still happen in ad around the more rural areas of the countries.

Its to bad we aren't a bit more balanced in our pleasures, of the old and the new.

You forgot at least one or two things though,

Fetching water from the cistern, and the outhouse.

Von_Rat
01-25-2008, 06:56 PM
We are fat and lazy now, because we choose to be, simple as that.


yep, and im looking forward to becoming mean and crotchty too. cant wait till im old enough to start yelling at kids because they walked on my lawn.

M_Gunz
01-25-2008, 10:37 PM
I'm NOT saying life is better even on average, overpopulation and resource depletion see to
that.

But S__t did happen and people did get sued regularly even before 1970.

In my schools:
1968 during recess there is a fistfight and Billy did not get back up.
1975 one of my schoolmates gives a talk about how his church group still move Billy's arms
and legs for him to keep him alive.

Sure we did a lot of dangerous things and while most of us survived, the odds did not get beat.
I've got some scars, broken bones and joints that don't work well -- half since 1980 BTW.

1999 while tending bar in a mountain town I shake my head since those guys are crazier than
most I saw back in my day and not a single lawyer or teacher doing a thing about it. They
don't get away with it any more than I did but they're a lot more used to the ER than me.
They also tend to wreck newer bikes, cars and trucks with the latter belonging to someone
else and still get to do it over less than a year later.

Some of it is different. If we brought a gun to school it was to show friends, not to go on
any killing spree. No, I didn't but a couple or so buddies did. Another one actually bombed
the HS but off in a section where no one was just because it was his dream and we should all
live our dreams kind of thing. When one of my bike club members who had lent him the lighter
not believing what it was wanted for (until 30 seconds later) told me about it, I had to
laugh as poor Jim was still wide-eyed shaken.
No the reaction then was not as now, they had bigger problems than a room with a ruined
ceiling -- massive pot use, occasional pill overdoses, a nonsense word that drove the control
freak teachers and admin into paranoid fits and another group of teachers and the principal
had a Satan worship cult going all at the same time so that few pounds of firecracker was
just a blip on the radar -- they were going to buy an ambulance to save money in 1975.

Whoever needed more just had to hang around and get drafted up till that ended.

That was in a middle class school back then. I wonder why people ever thought things needed
to be changed? Gee we had it good! Did I mention we did have a few deaths, just not during
school hours and mostly from drunk driving.

Good Times, by the Phil Hartman meaning! Good Times, ahhh yeah, Good Times!

Snoball7614
01-25-2008, 10:59 PM
you basically just described the lyrics to a country song... I like that song to... reminds me of me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

han freak solo
01-25-2008, 11:00 PM
IMO, the past is good times because we that are here, survived to tell the tale.

Not everyone made it, but I'm glad I made it so far. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

M_Gunz
01-25-2008, 11:08 PM
And.... how good it was to be young!

zardozid
01-26-2008, 12:36 AM
The only real difference between yesterday and today is the speed at which information travels and the access we all have to it...

Our (micro) culture changes quicker then you can blink eye...populous ideas are born and grow very quickly. Today our culture is developing at such an accelerated rate that most people don't have time to digest what is going on in the developing subconscious of our culture. At one time spanking was considered an acceptable choice for a parent to make (and it may be again)...but at some point in resent history someone developed a theory, or presented a pile of statistics, that "proved" the psychological damage that a parent risked by spanking their child...thanks to electronic media everyone had the "same" information spoon fed to them in manageable little bit sized pieces...and it was ez for us "each" to reach the (same) "right conclusion"...

I will not bother to get into the issue of how "fiber optics" has turned each of our homes into a "glass house". I think we can each imagine how the parent who spanks could live in fear of "child services" knocking at their door...

But I will say that I don't think its all bad...Information and ideas are obviously good. Our culture just needs time to mature...we need to learn how to share our toys (LOL).

p.s. getting tired (I hope I made my point)... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

woofiedog
01-26-2008, 06:06 AM
A bit of a song...

Those Were the Days My Friend/Mary Hopkins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pkkAhETYg)

Once upon a time, there was a tavern
Where we used to raise a glass or two
Remember how we laughed away the hours,
Think of all the great things we would do

Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we'd choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way

Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di di di di di

Then, the busy years went rushing by us
We lost our starry notions on the way
If, by chance, I'd see you in the tavern,
We'd smile at one another and we'd say

Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we'd choose
We'd fight and never lose
Those were the days, oh yes, those were the days

Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di di di di di

Just tonight, I stood before the tavern
Nothing seemed the way it used to be
In the glass, I saw a strange reflection
Was that lonely woman really me?

Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we'd choose
We'd fight and never lose
Those were the days, oh yes, those were the days

Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di di di di di

Through the door, there came familiar laughter
I saw your face and heard you call my name
Oh, my friend, we're older but no wiser
For in our hearts, the dreams are still the same

Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we'd choose
We'd fight and never lose
Those were the days, oh yes, those were the days

Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di
Di di di di di di di di di di

La la la la la la
La la la la la la
La la la la la la

Sergio_101
01-26-2008, 04:58 PM
Hang on for a minute, adjusting my drool cup.....

Dane bramage aint so bad.

At least we dont know what we missed.....

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Sergio

M2morris
01-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by GreyFox5:
Man I think you grew up in my neighborhood. - b. 1966.

I used to ride my bike for hours in the summer...

drink from the hose...

go and see movies on the weekends walking like 4-5miles to the theater...

Cheers!

1963 here:
Rode my bike for hours
Played baseball
Went fishing
Collected empty soft drink bottles and took them to a corner store to get 5 cents apiece for them
Draged an empty refrigerator box 1 mile and a half from behind an appliance store to our house and spent hours playin in it
Allday water fights in the summer
Canal swimming, rope hanging from a huge eucaliptus tree to swing from
I could go on,
I had a fun childhood at the same time seeing B-52s flying over head everyday and the occasional sonic boom of unknown origin would shake the house.
I'm glad we made it without destroying the human race. I hope my kids and their kids can say the same.

BillyTheKid_22
01-26-2008, 06:27 PM
I am Cowboy Born 1966!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/bkid_01/Cowboy-InTheDust-Horse-15410083.jpg?t=1201397476

StellarRat
01-26-2008, 08:06 PM
Great post. Funny that anyone seems to try to hide their kids from everything now a days...but denying reality has never really worked. If you never have to deal with anything bad you will suck when the bad times come. Some of worst equipped and most screwed up people I've met are the ones that were the most sheltered from real life...like the ones that went to private religious schools because their parents thought the public schools were "evil". Well guess what, the world is not all roses! Eventually you have to face life good and bad! Sometimes it seems no one wants to take chances or responsibility for their own actions anymore. Sad.

Blood_Splat
01-26-2008, 09:45 PM
Just like every kid gets a trophy now. Even when they lose lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
I remember having BB gun wars lol. Holy **** that was crazy shat!

zardozid
01-26-2008, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by StellarRat:
Great post. Funny that anyone seems to try to hide their kids from everything now a days...but denying reality has never really worked. If you never have to deal with anything bad you will suck when the bad times come. Some of worst equipped and most screwed up people I've met are the ones that were the most sheltered from real life...like the ones that went to private religious schools because their parents thought the public schools were "evil". Well guess what, the world is not all roses! Eventually you have to face life good and bad! Sometimes it seems no one wants to take chances or responsibility for their own actions anymore. Sad.

The thing that I wonder about is...are "the parents" really trying to do the best they can do for their children's sake or are they doing it to live through their children? In other words: if their children succeed in life (whatever "success" means?) its because they where "superior" parents (their children's accomplishments are their own)... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Or maybe parents are just afraid that their children will "take them to court" because of a lousy childhood...</span>

dugong
01-26-2008, 11:41 PM
And yet here we gather.