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popse
02-14-2006, 06:40 AM
Im just currius to know what happend with the flyable Fokker XXI. As ill been waiting for it for years...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Poppse

guderian_ente
02-14-2006, 08:45 AM
Yup, it's probably the biggest missing piece in the game right now (along with the Helldiver). The D.XXI was the main Finnish fighter in the winter war.

Sturm_Williger
02-14-2006, 09:19 AM
It's been mentioned as a possible.

Most likely coming in one of the now mis-named Russian addons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

guderian_ente
02-14-2006, 09:36 AM
Fingers crossed!

Probably the most famous Fokker D.XXI mission ever. (http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/sarvan/sarvan.htm) Let's see it in the game too.

HotelBushranger
02-15-2006, 02:59 AM
I want it too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

SnailRunner
02-15-2006, 04:08 AM
Yes, this one is needed, with a nice RDAF skin to (Royal Danish airforce)

Would be cool fighting abit in (own) markings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
02-15-2006, 04:18 AM
Yup, waiting for this one too!! Although, if it does turn up as flyable, I don't think we'll get the Danish version with the Madsen 20mm cannons, although the external model for that variant is done.

But it just looks cool, and is an essential aircraft for the 39-40 Finnish war.

F19Gladiator
02-15-2006, 09:33 AM
I want the Fokker !!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

SnailRunner
02-15-2006, 10:35 AM
I don't think we'll get the Danish version with the Madsen 20mm cannons, although the external model for that variant is done

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto/sarva1.jpg

http://www.flymuseum.dk/grafik/forsvaretsfly/FokkerDXXI.jpg

Ya i knooooow........not the best cannon, but it was a 20mm.....

**The original Dutch one had two 7.9mm guns in wings and two more firing through nose cowling. The Danish one had two 7.9 in wings and two 20mm cannons under wings, but the nose ones removed. Finally, the Finnish one had four 7.7mm guns in outer wings**

Well....give me the "all arounder" and i can live with that lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Viikate_
02-16-2006, 10:40 AM
Actually the Dutch operational plane had all 4 MGs in wings. Prototypes had different weapon configurations, for example one 12.7mm firing through engine sylinders.

Finnish series 1, 2 and 3 had 2 fucelage MGs and 2 wing MGs. Series 4 and 5 had 4 wing MGs. Also one plane (in you picture) had 20mm Oerlikon cannons.

I tested how the LATE pit would like with Revi 2B (with captain Haddock's brilliant Revi). Both tube sight and Revi was used during wars but I wanted to have Revi for the LATE pit. First I thought that there is not enough texture space left for the Revi, but now I managed to fit all textures in. Too bad 1C team doesn't have time to implement this, since Fokkers are already put in the engine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/Fokker_with_revi.jpg

The Revi is mounted "inside" the window. there is a hole in the window and Revi's glass fits there. Black edges are some sort of "insulation" or something...

Capt_Haddock
02-16-2006, 10:54 AM
That looks great! (thanks for the comments on the Revi). I hope Oleg could see this and put this one more version of the D.XXI in the game.


Originally posted by Viikate_:
First I thought that there is not enough texture space left for the Revi, but now I managed to fit all textures in...

I don't think you should worry too much about texture space anymore. After seeing the Tempest I'm sure Oleg has dropped the old polygon and texture limits. That cokcpit uses far more polys and textures than I was allowed on the J8A. Looks amazing though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh3.jpg

Viikate_
02-16-2006, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:

I don't think you should worry too much about texture space anymore. After seeing the Tempest I'm sure Oleg has dropped the old polygon and texture limits. That cokcpit uses far more polys and textures than I was allowed on the J8A. Looks amazing though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



I was thinking just the same... It look just soooo good. Is there a way to force videocard render everything in wireframes? I would love to see Tempest pit rendered this way just to see how it was done. Fokker was a nasty plane to do because the open rear fucelage and all the tubes. They took so many polys that I had to use pre-rendered flat parts more than I wanted to use.

And I told Oleg about the Revi situation. They are simply just way too busy now. So many new planes are still coming. *lips sealed*

A.K.Davis
02-16-2006, 11:24 AM
I hope this one was modelled with enough foresight to overcome the ridiculous tube sight rear view limitations (i.e. you can only look to rear with head positioned against the headrest).

Viikate_
02-16-2006, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
I hope this one was modelled with enough foresight to overcome the ridiculous tube sight rear view limitations (i.e. you can only look to rear with head positioned against the headrest).

I'm afraid that limitation is still present http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Good news is that the EARLY pit doesn't have any headrest or armour behind pilot's head, so the view is really good. That's not so good news if you are the pilot with a bandit on your six http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This is the real camera position.
http://www.1java.org/viikate/6-view.jpg

LATE version has big armour seat and extra armor plate behind pilot's head. View is not too bad but it blocks those two rear/center windows. Moving the camera doesn't help at all. I have tried that. We would need "peek over shoulder" ability.

Capt_Haddock
02-16-2006, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
It look just soooo good. Is there a way to force videocard render everything in wireframes?

If you play without antialias, just zoom right into the cockpit and you can see what has been modelled and what has been pre-rendered. 'Jaggies' = 3D, Texture filtering = 2D.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/il2/forums/tempest_pit_01.jpg

This wheel alone must be using over 70 polys.
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/il2/forums/tempest_pit_02.jpg

I can only imagine the hours of research they've gone into getting all these details right. A true labour of love. Really nice work.

Same can be said of the D.XXI, actually. You've really pushed the pre-rendered system in that beautiful cockpit. And it should be incredibly fps-friendly, even in the slowest computers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh3.jpg

SnailRunner
02-16-2006, 05:47 PM
oooooh...wowser...darn great pits...in game or not...what a great job.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
02-17-2006, 02:37 AM
Come on Oleg, I want my Fokker! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
02-17-2006, 02:55 AM
So Viikate, can you say how many variants will be flyable? I think you said before it was just one, but it seems that there might one or two more since then?

Either way, I can't wait to strap myself into yet another krap plane!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Viikate_
02-17-2006, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
So Viikate, can you say how many variants will be flyable? I think you said before it was just one, but it seems that there might one or two more since then?

Hopefully two finnish variants. "Early" and "late" versions. Both are series 1, 2 or 3. Early is winter war plane and late is cont. war plane (still used in -44 for recon missions).

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-17-2006, 07:06 AM
Bump for Fokker DXXI http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/gdes/ENG/04.htm

http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/gdes/images/sarvanto.jpg

Vipez-
02-17-2006, 07:37 AM
If we get the Fokker (and I surely hope so!), it makes me wonder if the LMGs really are undermodelled in the game, or how can we shoot down anything with just Fokker's 4 LMGs with the current modelling.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

triggerhappyfin
02-17-2006, 08:14 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/Triggerhappyfin/Untitled-1copy.jpg

Just finished this read. It begins with the outbreak of the winterwar and LeLv24 flying the fokkers. That most famous Fokker flight is in this book too.

HotelBushranger
02-17-2006, 08:50 AM
A couple of days ago I just finished

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2176/p783xal6xd.jpg

By the same, Stenman and Keskinen. It's a great, immensely addictive book. I love it! Heaps of great photos, and 4 or so pages of colour profiles in the middle.

Maaaan I want the Fokker so much it's indescribeable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-18-2006, 02:41 AM
These are the best reference about FiAF's Fokkers. Great info about Fokkers attacking soviet shipments etc.

Fokker D.XXI (Mercury) (http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/sih03a.html)
Fokker D.XXI (Wasp) (http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/sih03b.html)

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/sih03/sih03a-01.jpg http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/sih03/sih03b-01.jpg

HotelBushranger
02-18-2006, 09:01 AM
Thanks very much mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

F19_Ob
02-18-2006, 09:22 AM
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poepkop
02-18-2006, 09:44 AM
I would really love to see the fokker D.XXI as well ! A dutch one would be brilliant, look at this beauty !!
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/stills/the%20beach.jpg
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/stills/DXXIme109dogf_v006_0126.jpg

HotelBushranger
02-19-2006, 02:18 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Where did you get those pictures from?!?!?!?!?!?!?! They're AMAZING! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-19-2006, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Where did you get those pictures from

http://www.luijken.com/

HotelBushranger
02-19-2006, 04:50 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Legend! Thanks mate

PILOT-SF
02-19-2006, 05:07 AM
Me likes! Have to have!

VONGRAZ
02-19-2006, 05:16 AM
OLEG: WE WANT REAL PLANES LIKE THIS, NO FANTASY AND PROTOTYPE MODELS !
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Chuck_Older
02-19-2006, 06:37 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
We get fantasy types and prototypes because somebody took the time to build them. If you look into it, I think you'll find that the planes you're talking about didn't come "from Oleg", rather they were submitted to him by 3rd party modellers and met his standards, so he released them. They are a bonus, they didn't force real aircraft out of the sim

I would like the Fokker D XXI myself. I have ulterior motives, but I'd like it just the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
02-19-2006, 07:45 AM
We get the fantasy planes first, coz people model em, and the guy who sticks em into the engine prioritises them according to the ones he likes best!!

So obviously, it would seem he's not into cr@pplanes as much as we are!!

Bump for the Fokker!!

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-19-2006, 11:47 AM
El bumpo for Fokker and other cr@pplanes.

Virtualpilots.fi (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/blenheim2001/)

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/blenheim2001/ok11.jpg

KG26_Oranje
02-19-2006, 12:08 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Dutch%20Aircrafts%201930%201950/10-6-2003-9-41-fokker_t.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Dutch%20Aircrafts%201930%201950/D-21denmark.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Dutch%20Aircrafts%201930%201950/30-1-2003-8-49-fokker_d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Dutch%20Aircrafts%201930%201950/D-21finland.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Dutch%20Aircrafts%201930%201950/D-21modfinland.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Dutch%20Aircrafts%201930%201950/Fokker_D21_Capterd3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Dutch%20Aircrafts%201930%201950/Fokker_D21_Finland_winter.jpg

mmmm i`m flying german bombers online.
So i most vote against all allied plane`s
Buht its flying for the Axis to so i most vote for it.
And i`m dutch , ok lets vote For lol

HotelBushranger
02-20-2006, 02:06 AM
Very nice pictures! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG53Frankyboy
02-20-2006, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by Vipez-:
If we get the Fokker (and I surely hope so!), it makes me wonder if the LMGs really are undermodelled in the game, or how can we shoot down anything with just Fokker's 4 LMGs with the current modelling.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

you can test it already, flying J8A or IAR80 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SB2 are easy, I-16, I-153 , DB3 are "hard" work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-21-2006, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
SB2 are easy, I-16, I-153 , DB3 are "hard" work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tupolev SB is quite hard to shot down compared to DB-3 because of it's speed, I think.

HotelBushranger
02-21-2006, 03:59 AM
IIRC, DB-3 was faster and more armoured that the SB-3. Just look at Sarvanto's kills; all againts SB-3's. Reading his account, it seems they burst into flame, or got PK's rather easily.

Edit: Woot got it on the third pade http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AndyHigh
02-21-2006, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
SB-3. Just look at Sarvanto's kills; all againts SB-3's. Reading his account, it seems they burst into flame, or got PK's rather easily.


About all sources say that the victims were DB-3's (M) on that mission. In total 9 DB-3's and 3 SB-2's during Winter War.

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by LeLv44_Mangrove:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
SB2 are easy, I-16, I-153 , DB3 are "hard" work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tupolev SB is quite hard to shot down compared to DB-3 because of it's speed, I think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sry, i only spoke about the ingame DM modell.

HotelBushranger
02-21-2006, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by AndyHigh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
SB-3. Just look at Sarvanto's kills; all againts SB-3's. Reading his account, it seems they burst into flame, or got PK's rather easily.


About all sources say that the victims were DB-3's (M) on that mission. In total 9 DB-3's and 3 SB-2's during Winter War. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes your right sorry. Must have thought the SB-2's (there were lots used in the WW) applied for him too. My mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeLv44_Mangrove:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
SB2 are easy, I-16, I-153 , DB3 are "hard" work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tupolev SB is quite hard to shot down compared to DB-3 because of it's speed, I think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sry, i only spoke about the ingame DM modell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DB3M are also easy to lighten up with the 4 rifle caliber guns of the IAR80 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-21-2006, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
DB3M are also easy to lighten up with the 4 rifle caliber guns of the IAR80 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I only fly J8A http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
02-22-2006, 01:03 AM
Bumpage!!

Did the Fokker serve in the Pacific? Wonder how it would match up against the Ki-27!!

HotelBushranger
02-22-2006, 01:42 AM
IIRC, the NEI (Netherlands East Indies) Air Force used em http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

poepkop
02-22-2006, 01:50 AM
no, they didn't. They flew brewster buffalo instead. The D.XXI was used in the Netherlands together with the G.1 as the main defence fighter.

HotelBushranger
02-22-2006, 01:54 AM
Righto then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

GerritJ9
02-22-2006, 02:27 AM
The D.XXI prototype was shipped to Java for testing pre-war, but it was rejected and the type was not ordered by the KNIL- perhaps in part because the KNIL had ordered Glenn Martin B-10s and there was no money available for fighters as well. The D.XXI was intended to replace the KNIL's ageing Curtiss P-6E Hawks.
Instead, the first modern fighters to reach the NEI were 20 Curtiss Hawk 75A-7s in 1940, followed by 24 Curtiss-Wright CW21Bs and 71 Brewster B-339s- a ridiculously small quantity to defend a chain of islands the size of the NEI.

HotelBushranger
02-22-2006, 04:42 AM
Thanks mate for that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

GerritJ9
02-22-2006, 06:01 AM
The prototype at one time actually carried a KNIL registration number, FD322. "FD" refers to the manufacturer and manufacturer's type designation i.e. Fokker "D", the first "3" being the KNIL designation for a fighter (bomber serial numbers started with a "5") and 22 being the 22nd fighter in KNIL service. Unfortunately, no photos of the D.XXI prototype's stay in the NEI are known to exist- probably all were lost/destroyed when Java was overrun in March 1942.
The KNIL's first fighters were Fokker D.VIIs, serial numbers starting with aircraft F301.

Viikate_
02-22-2006, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by GerritJ9: Unfortunately, no photos of the D.XXI prototype's stay in the NEI are known to exist- probably all were lost/destroyed when Java was overrun in March 1942.

What? No photos you say...

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/fokker.html

This great book is FULL of FD-332 pictures taken at Holland and Andir Java Island.

poepkop
02-22-2006, 12:28 PM
I have that book, a great resource. Shame it is in french though.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

GerritJ9
02-22-2006, 04:44 PM
Hugo Hooftman published a booklet (in Dutch) about the D.XXI which I have, and although there are several pics of FD.322 in Holland, there are none taken at Andir, Kalidjati or anywhere else on Java- Hooftman wrote that they probably were lost during or after the invasion of Java. This does not rule out that a few might have turned up in recent years. This booklet also has quite a few pics of Finnish D.XXIs and even a short piece about Spanish D.XXIs being built in Republican Spain......... now there's a subject for skinners!
I don't have that French D.XXI book yet, but I do have the companion volume about the Brewster Buffalo by Jean-Louis Couston. Great pics and drawings, pity my French is no better than Miss Piggy's.........

HotelBushranger
02-24-2006, 08:51 AM
Oh my god I think something just happened in my pants

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1299/fokkerdxxismokev00100989jz.jpg

HotelBushranger
02-26-2006, 05:55 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4912/fokkerdxxiwallpaperlarge7su.jpg

HotelBushranger
02-27-2006, 02:45 AM
Am I the only person who wants the Fokker?!?!

GerritJ9
02-27-2006, 05:15 AM
No, you aren't the only one! I think the two Finnish versions (Wasp and Mercury) will be included in one of the soon-to-be-released paid add-ons as flyable. Not sure about the Dutch version being included though. However, the Finnish Mercury version will be a great substitute if the Dutch version does not appear.

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-27-2006, 06:47 AM
One Fokker D.XXI - The history of FR-95 (http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/october_2001_theme.html)

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/theme/october_2001_theme05.jpg

KG26_Oranje
02-27-2006, 06:53 AM
http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/d21_1.gif

http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/d21_2.gif

http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/d21_dutch.gif

From : http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/
Hope it contribute to the D-21 project.
S!

Marcel_Albert
02-27-2006, 07:11 AM
Good work , many thanks for this modelling , Legendary plane that Fokker XXI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can't wait to fly it ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
02-27-2006, 07:14 AM
I is wanting the Fokker!! An aircraft all Danes should want to fly!!

LeLv44_Mangrove
02-27-2006, 11:49 AM
Terrifying photograph taken from Fokker DXXI after strafing run during Winter War in 5th March 1940.

Sodat kuvina - Pictures From Wars (http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Rintama/cwdata/400305ViipurinlahtiHavittajatHyokkaavat.html)

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Rintama/400305ViipurinlahtiHavittajatHyokkaavat.jpg

Tooz_69GIAP
02-27-2006, 12:28 PM
Reality of war. We often forget about that in this game.

Marcel_Albert
02-27-2006, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by LeLv44_Mangrove:
Terrifying photograph taken from Fokker DXXI after strafing run during Winter War in 5th March 1940.

Sodat kuvina - Pictures From Wars (http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Rintama/cwdata/400305ViipurinlahtiHavittajatHyokkaavat.html)

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Rintama/400305ViipurinlahtiHavittajatHyokkaavat.jpg

Good website , many very nice photos , thanks for the link mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HotelBushranger
02-28-2006, 02:39 AM
Continuation War pics:
http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/faf2.htm

Some good Fokker ones in there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-01-2006, 01:09 PM
A replica Fokker:

Fokker DXXI walkaround (http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/fokkerxxi/fokkerxxi.htm)

HotelBushranger
03-02-2006, 03:10 AM
Beauty! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-02-2006, 11:38 AM
Tactical numbers of Fokker D.XXIs in the Winter War (http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/2005_theme_15.html)

NAFP_supah
03-02-2006, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by LeLv44_Mangrove:
A replica Fokker:

Fokker DXXI walkaround (http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/fokkerxxi/fokkerxxi.htm)

God that thing, I've seen it a bit too often IRL. They are building a replice C.X too I believe!

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-02-2006, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by NAFP_supah:
They are building a replice C.X too I believe!

Yes, they borrowed few Finnish Fokker CX fuselages to the replica.

Fokker CX cockpit photo (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=160912)

Militaire Luchtvaart Museum (http://www.militaireluchtvaartmuseum.nl/collectie/restauratie/fokkercx/start.html)

Koninklijke Luchtmacht (http://www.luchtmacht.nl/main/actueel/nieuws/2005/augustus/20050804_open_werkplaatsdagen.html)

HotelBushranger
03-03-2006, 01:01 AM
Wicked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HotelBushranger
03-03-2006, 01:24 AM
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8253/fokkerdxxiparked5zi.jpg

poepkop
03-03-2006, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by NAFP_supah:
God that thing, I've seen it a bit too often IRL. They are building a replice C.X too I believe!

Why would you say that ? It is fairly accurate (except for the landing gear which is danish/finish) and has been built by fokker as a training exercise. A lot better than the G.Ia they have as a replica in the museum. That one is only good to get an idea of scale.

Would you reply the same about the spitfire, B25 and mustang they have in the same room ? If so I would suggest visiting some other museums once in a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NAFP_supah
03-03-2006, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by poepkop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NAFP_supah:
God that thing, I've seen it a bit too often IRL. They are building a replice C.X too I believe!

Why would you say that ? It is fairly accurate (except for the landing gear which is danish/finish) and has been built by fokker as a training exercise. A lot better than the G.Ia they have as a replica in the museum. That one is only good to get an idea of scale.

Would you reply the same about the spitfire, B25 and mustang they have in the same room ? If so I would suggest visiting some other museums once in a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Atleast the Mitchell, mustang and spitfire are the real deal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It's nice but gets boring. Now the F-104G :P Thats a beauty! Oleg should model it!

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-05-2006, 05:31 AM
Both photographs from Kari Stenman's book "LeR1".

It's the damn color Fokker again! FR-83 of Lentolaivue 12 at Nurmoila on 16. October 1943.

http://xs70.xs.to/pics/06090/Fokker_vari.jpg

FR-140 of 3/LeLv 14 in flight at Uhtua direction on 30. March 1943 piloted by 2Lt E. Hyv√¬§rinen.

http://xs70.xs.to/pics/06090/Fokker_musta.jpg

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-06-2006, 11:43 AM
Bump!

poepkop
03-11-2006, 04:54 AM
Check this out !!

http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/anims/variousaircraft.avi

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

KG26_Oranje
03-11-2006, 07:50 AM
Wouw , now i like to know if the d-21 shoot that 109 down lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
CFS 3 ???

S! and thnx bro

poepkop
03-11-2006, 08:01 AM
What do you mean with CFS3 ?

KG26_Oranje
03-11-2006, 08:08 AM
Well the qyesting is , is it a CFS 3 model.
Or FS2004.
I have found the Fokker G-1 fs2004 on simviation and only a D-21 for CFS 2.
S!

wiekiewiekie
03-11-2006, 08:08 AM
Hey, just saw my images and animation linked in this thread ! Glad you like it !

KG26_Oranje: These are tests from a short animated film, nothing final yet though. So, not game related.

KG26_Oranje
03-11-2006, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by wiekiewiekie:
Hey, just saw my images and animation linked in this thread ! Glad you like it !

KG26_Oranje: These are tests from a short animated film, nothing final yet though. So, not game related.

Well bro its great and i hope some day (pre BoB?) that the Fokker G-1, T-V , C-X and D-21 , and all ahter "fall gelb" aircrafts coming in to the Combat-FS as flyable.
Thnx bro great job.

HotelBushranger
03-17-2006, 01:45 AM
You should go to that site, its got some great videos:

http://www.luijken.com/

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

pdog1
03-18-2006, 03:11 AM
Really nice, we need more early war birds than stupid do335s. I want to fly that fokker!

HotelBushranger
03-18-2006, 06:36 AM
Bloody oath! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-19-2006, 05:43 AM
FR-83 aka the spy plane. FR-83 of 2/LeLv 12 had and F-24 camera installed for oblique photographing.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4837/untitled2copy6xa.jpg

The place were Fokkers and Moranes fought.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3774/untitled2copy0kg.jpg

HotelBushranger
03-19-2006, 05:47 AM
Wow, didn't no the terrain was like that. Thanks! Where do you get these photos from?

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-19-2006, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Where do you get these photos from?

They are from SIH 20.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/sih20.html

HotelBushranger
03-19-2006, 06:59 AM
Beaaautiful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-20-2006, 06:51 AM
Ps. Is that a norwegian H√¬łver M.F. 11 photographed in Scotland before it was flown to Petsamo, Finland in your sign?

Dimensionaut_
03-21-2006, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by KG26_Oranje:
http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/d21_1.gif

http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/d21_2.gif

http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/d21_dutch.gif

From : http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/dutch/
Hope it contribute to the D-21 project.
S!

The D.XXI is past that stage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And ehm, both drawings aren't the best available (though often used). The first one used a maintainance sketch as a 'fact' and thus some things are misplaced.

The second one can be seen in two ways: or a complete failure or a very smart drawing that also requires good knowledge to read it. Since this drawing is a complete mixture of the Finnish Mercury and the Dutch version. At first sight the two are the same, but there are many differences.

HotelBushranger
03-21-2006, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by LeLv44_Mangrove:
Ps. Is that a norwegian H√¬łver M.F. 11 photographed in Scotland before it was flown to Petsamo, Finland in your sign?

Aye, thats the one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Obviously we frequent the same websites http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

HotelBushranger
03-22-2006, 07:52 AM
Say, did the D XXI have a fuel injection engine? I need to know if I'm going up against I-16's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-22-2006, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Say, did the D XXI have a fuel injection engine? I need to know if I'm going up against I-16's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Blenheim could dive straigh without turning upside down and Fokker DXXI (first versions) used the same engines, so I guest yes.

HotelBushranger
03-23-2006, 02:35 AM
Beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

We have an advantage against the Russians http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

F19_Orheim
03-23-2006, 12:37 PM
Am I to be concerned?????http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....t=001108;p=11#000358 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=001108;p=11#0 00358)

VW-IceFire
03-23-2006, 01:23 PM
If we do get the Fokker...I would definately be interested in making a Finnish campaign with the aircraft. Looks like it'd be fun!

HotelBushranger
03-24-2006, 01:11 AM
Mate...we get the Fokker, I'm gettin a big arse tattoo of the thing on my back.

That and you'll never see me fly anything else ever again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

sparty7200
03-24-2006, 05:13 AM
Hi all...considering the possible confusion over the Fokker making it i've started this thread here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/7031013624

please place a vote!

Regards

Sparty

jds1978
03-24-2006, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Mate...we get the Fokker, I'm gettin a big arse tattoo of the thing on my back.

That and you'll never see me fly anything else ever again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm holding you to it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

HotelBushranger
03-24-2006, 07:39 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You're on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

wiekiewiekie
03-27-2006, 03:36 AM
Come on, give us the fokker D.XXI, if only for the tattoo ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

HotelBushranger
03-27-2006, 05:01 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Damn right Oleg

DuxCorvan
03-27-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by wiekiewiekie:
Come on, give us the fokker D.XXI, if only for the tattoo ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

No thanks. I don't want to see THAT. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_15_7.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-28-2006, 08:09 AM
Fokker FR-122 of 2/TLeLv 12 was broken in landing to Voronp√¬§√¬§ on 10th March 1944. The was even repaired later.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7272/fr5db.jpg

marc_hawkins
03-28-2006, 09:42 AM
gets my vote. early planes are cool.

LeLv44_Mangrove
03-30-2006, 09:18 AM
FR-110 in 1.12.1939... sorry, in 1989 before it was handed to Central Finland Aviation Museum.

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/9155/untitled2copy3fe.jpg

major_setback
05-11-2007, 07:31 PM
Nice crop:

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/usstuff.htm


http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/r11fr4.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/fd21ju88.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/fd21gc1.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/aces1.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/inersrt.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/fd21taxi.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/fd21flv.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/fd21wht.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/r3fr3.jpg

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/r3fr4.jpg

HotelBushranger
05-12-2007, 04:56 AM
Dammit Oleg I want my tattoo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Heliopause
05-12-2007, 12:36 PM
Fokker D.21...do it..do it
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/PauseHelio/doit.jpg

Polyperhon
05-15-2007, 03:24 PM
I wish too that we had this plane available as flyable