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Tachyon1000
01-28-2007, 11:42 PM
I have no idea if this is normal or not. I am in general a terrible shot, but I am wondering if my joystick is making this harder on me. When I pull up the Input area in IL2 and deflect the joystick while seemingly holding it perfectly still, the little red and/or green squares will jook around ever so slightly. Also when I attempt to center the stick, often it does not and the stick is actually deflected up or is registering that way and it will jook about in that position as well. My question is if this is normal to some degree. I have a Saitek Cyborg Evo that I have had for 2 years or so. It seems to function fine but I am wondering if there is something I can do to eliminate what look to be these small unintended joystick inputs and if they could be making it tougher for me to aim.

MrMojok
01-28-2007, 11:53 PM
Maybe you need to set some joystick damping? This will cause it to ignore tiny movements.

This can be done on the main menu screen of the game, under 'controls' I think.

Waldo.Pepper
01-29-2007, 12:13 AM
LSS perhaps?

(Logitech stick syndrome)

Pollack2006
01-29-2007, 12:39 AM
Sounds like the pots are spiking. Try adding some filtering, or get a new stick.

tagTaken2
01-29-2007, 12:55 AM
That expression about a bad workman blaming his tools doesn't apply to flightsims. The better the equipment you have, the better you will fly. I made enormous leaps with each stupidly expensive piece of hardware I purchased, particularly TrackIR.

Now go out and spend.

Tiger27
01-29-2007, 02:07 AM
Not sure how much you can afford for a stick, but a CH Fighterstick will eliminate any trace of spiking, which of course will certainly help your accuracy, well at least it certainly won't hurt, the beauty with CH products is that there pots are rated for millions of hours use and in my case mine hasnt been off centre in the two years Ive had this stick and I bought it secondhand http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WWMaxGunz
01-29-2007, 02:35 AM
New pots and some graphite lube might really help.

Migman explains cleaning X-36 pots with spray. (http://www.migman.com/hw/control/Saitek/potclean.htm)

Be SURE to go here:
Official Saitek Forum (http://www.saitekforum.com)

F19_Ob
01-29-2007, 03:02 AM
These settings are for my Microsoft Forcefeedback stick but has reportedly worked for others with problems like yours, especially the Yaw settings.
Some sticks are so sensitive that a few milimeters of movement will cause large input and since the rudder is a vital part of the aiming process it will be one of the major contributors to unsteady aiming.
Note the amount of filtering I've added to slow down the movement.

The amount of filtering is in part depending on how big (or small) range of movement you have on your stick.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/f19_ob/misc%201/pitch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/f19_ob/misc%201/roll.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/f19_ob/misc%201/yaw.jpg

bazzaah2
01-29-2007, 03:47 AM
just to echo comments about yaw - a plane can seem really screwy if the rudder is not centred properly, so make sure that is sorted before you look at hardware issues.

tagTaken2
01-29-2007, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
These settings are for my Microsoft Forcefeedback stick but has reportedly worked for others with problems like yours, especially the Yaw settings.
Some sticks are so sensitive that a few milimeters of movement will cause large input and since the rudder is a vital part of the aiming process it will be one of the major contributors to unsteady aiming.
Note the amount of filtering I've added to slow down the movement.

The amount of filtering is in part depending on how big (or small) range of movement you have on your stick.


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Filtering!?
I have the same joystick- MSFFB2- but it's such an awesome stick that there's a lot of give and take- even with the default settings, there is no real jerking around when trying to clip off a wing.

These are mine, for what it's worth

1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 (roll)
1Y=0 5 9 15 23 31 42 54 67 79 91 0 (pitch)
1Z2=0 0 3 9 15 22 29 38 50 68 98 0 (rudder pedals)

rnzoli
01-29-2007, 04:43 AM
Originally posted by Tachyon1000:
I have no idea if this is normal or not.
Absolutely NOT. Solid joystick inputs are essential in IL-2 not only for gunnery, but also for stall-free flying.

The setting/filtering/lubricating ideas will only buy you some time before getting a new stick with steady input. The problem with trying to solve a joystick problem with settins/filtering is that they all have negative side effects. Smoother settings in middle will get you better gunnery, but easier stalling. Filtering will give you smoother transitions, but it will delay your planes responses in case you see traces flying past your cockpit. Lubrication may bring back steady input - for the next three month. Then another maintenance - work for next 2 months, then another - only works for 1 more month. And every time, you will realize the need for more maintenance in the middle of your most important fight.

Avoid disappointment. Get a solid, steady stick today. Everything else is just waste of time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

alert_1
01-29-2007, 04:54 AM
Cyborg Evo is good joy for money but lasted no longer then 1 year if used daily

Tachyon1000
01-29-2007, 09:05 PM
So everyone is telling me that when you deflect your stick in the Input screen none of you are even seeing the slightest little wobble?? I wouldn't characterize what I am seeing as a spike unless that is the term that people use in general for this. It's more of a little jook.

Believe me, I am trying to blame my equipment for my incompetence but I am wondering if it is a contributing factor to not being able to line up a solid shot.

Thanks for all the advice.

tagTaken2
01-30-2007, 06:41 AM
Can't tell on mine, the ingame joystick screen doesn't recognise more than one controller. Unfortunately, rnzoli is correct. A solid stick is indispensable. Try everything else first, forums, different settings, damping if it works, but not realising that the stick is the problem is annoying... on the plus side, it's fantastic changing to a good one. You become a brilliant shot without even trying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In fact, just buy this now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Force-Feedback-2-Joystick...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Force-Feedback-2-Joystick-MINT-Rare_W0QQitemZ230083476815QQihZ013QQcategoryZ74944 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

WWMaxGunz
01-30-2007, 07:26 AM
Best place to first look for answers is on a dedicated forum.
But this place rates pretty well too.

If it is only dust/dirt then a cleaning will do.
If it is loose fit parts then buy something new.

Biggest dissapointment stick to me was my Logitech 3D Pro. It wore out quick!