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TheCrux
11-29-2006, 07:30 AM
Longtime IL-2 ( original ) player and I decided to get Pacific Fighters, which I've just mail ordered. I'd like to know if I can install this as a stand-alone sim ( and keep my original IL-2 separate ) or whether it MUST to be installed over Forgotten Battles or not. Will it affect my original IL-2? I only play offline.

I know, I know, many will tell me to ditch the IL-2 original and get FB, but there are things I've read about FB that I don't like compared to the original. The day may come, but it's not now.

Thanks.

TheCrux
11-29-2006, 07:30 AM
Longtime IL-2 ( original ) player and I decided to get Pacific Fighters, which I've just mail ordered. I'd like to know if I can install this as a stand-alone sim ( and keep my original IL-2 separate ) or whether it MUST to be installed over Forgotten Battles or not. Will it affect my original IL-2? I only play offline.

I know, I know, many will tell me to ditch the IL-2 original and get FB, but there are things I've read about FB that I don't like compared to the original. The day may come, but it's not now.

Thanks.

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-29-2006, 07:59 AM
If you don't have FB (which it sounds like you don't) then you won't have a choice to merge PF with anything. You'll have the 'stand-alone' version only.


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TheCrux
11-29-2006, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
If you don't have FB (which it sounds like you don't) then you won't have a choice to merge PF with anything. You'll have the 'stand-alone' version only.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I realize I'll be missing out on the expanded FB/PF umbrella, but still a worthwhile purchase though, right? How would it compare in scope ( # of available A/C, maps/missions ) compared to my original IL-2? I gather no conflicts with my existing set-up though, correct?

Thanks for your reply.

SlickStick
11-29-2006, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheCrux:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
If you don't have FB (which it sounds like you don't) then you won't have a choice to merge PF with anything. You'll have the 'stand-alone' version only.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I realize I'll be missing out on the expanded FB/PF umbrella, but still a worthwhile purchase though, right? How would it compare in scope ( # of available A/C, maps/missions ) compared to my original IL-2? I gather no conflicts with my existing set-up though, correct?

Thanks for your reply. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can certainly have PF stand-alone and IL-2 on your system at the same time. The biggest differences you are going to find, once you patch PF up to V4.04 (remember NOT to use the merged patches BTW), is the many new features added, like opening pits on certain planes, carrier ops and a multitude of added game features and FM/DM changes.

Although, unless you're getting PF standalone at such a ridiculous price, for me, it would make more sense to get the complete edition of the game. It includes FB/AEP and PF with all patched right up to V4.04. The complete edition can be found for about $35.00.

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Skycat_2
11-29-2006, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheCrux:
I'd like to know if I can install this as a stand-alone sim ( and keep my original IL-2 separate ) or whether it MUST to be installed over Forgotten Battles or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes you can install it as a separate title.
No, you do not need Forgotten Battles.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Will it affect my original IL-2? I only play offline. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No it will not. They each install to different directories on your harddrive. No overlapping.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I know, I know, many will tell me to ditch the IL-2 original and get FB, but there are things I've read about FB that I don't like compared to the original. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Like what?

Keep in mind that FB doesn't overwrite IL-2 Sturmovik; you can have them both at the same time. You can also port all of IL-2's stock missions and campaigns over to FB.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">still a worthwhile purchase though, right? How would it compare in scope ( # of available A/C, maps/missions ) compared to my original IL-2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, it is a worthy purchase.
Many planes from Forgotten Battles and Ace Expansion Pack were recycled to fill out the Pacific Fighters standalone version. So, in addition to Corsairs and Hellcats and Zeroes, you'll get reissued flyables like the P-38, P-40, P-47D, P-51B/C and D, Hurricane, and Spitfire; you'll also get new planes like the Tempest and Mosquito in the upgrade patches.

I had a list of all that comes in 3.O, including the ships and maps and campaigns. It was pretty impressive.

The stock campaigns are computer generated, so they are more or less infinately playable. Not always very exciting right out of the box, though, and early versions of PF had some campaign bugs.

RichardFF
11-29-2006, 07:14 PM
I had PF before anything and still bought IL2 Complete Edition DVD because that allowed me to go beyond the stock missions for offline play like True Pacific (upgrades your DGen historically for accuracy, a few more missions, correct skins) Flying Tigers and DooLittle's Raid. There are many more!

I am told when you are running FB+AEP+PF you are compatible with everybody and like many PC things there are snags in making that so, check out...

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Skycat_2
11-29-2006, 11:42 PM
This is what 'standalone' Pacific Fighters includes right out of the box (v3.0) -- this list is not complete, and additional content was added by the upgrades:

Flyable Aircraft (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
A20G "Havoc" (Douglas), 1942
B-25J-1NA "Mitchell" (North American), 1943
Beaufighter Mk.21 (DAP), 1942
F4F-3 "Wildcat" (Grumman), 1941
F4F-4 "Wildcat" (Grumman), 1941
FM-2 "Wildcat" (General Motors), 1943
F4U-1A "Corsair" (Vought), 1943
F4U-1C "Corsair" (Vought), 1943
F4U-1D "Corsair" (Vought), 1943
Corsair Mk.I, 1942
Corsair Mk.II, 1942
Corsair Mk.IV, 1944
F6F-3 "Hellcat" (Grumman), 1943
F6F-5 "Hellcat" (Grumman), 1943
Hurricane Mk.IIb (Hawker), 1940
Hurricane Mk.IIc (Hawker), 1941
P-38J "Lightning" (Lockheed), 1943
P-38L "Lightning" (Lockheed), 1944
P-400 "Airacobra" (Bell), 1941
P-39D-1 "Airacobra" (Bell), 1941
P-39D-2 "Airacobra" (Bell), 1941
P-39N-1 "Airacobra" (Bell), 1942
Hawk 81A-2 (Curtiss)
P-40B "Tomahawk" (Curtiss)
P-40C "Tomahawk" (Curtiss)
Tomahawk Mk.IIa
Tomahawk Mk.IIb
P-40E "Warhawk" (Curtiss), 1941
P-40M "Warhawk/Kittyhawk" (Curtiss), 1942
P-47D-10 "Thunderbolt" (Republic), 1943
P-47D-22 "Thunderbolt" (Republic), 1943
P-47D-27 "Thunderbolt" (Republic), 1944
P-51B-NA "Mustang" (North American), 1942
P-51C-NT "Mustang" (North American), 1943
P-51D-5NT "Mustang" (North American), 1944
P-51D-20NA "Mustang" (North American), 1944
P-63C-5 "Kingcobra" (Bell), 1944
SBD-3 "Dauntless" (Douglas), 1941
SBD-5 "Dauntless" (Douglas), 1942
Seafire L.Mk.III (Supermarine), 1943
Seafire F.Mk.III (Supermarine), 1943
Spitfire Mk.VIII (Supermarine), 1942
Spitfire Mk.VIII-CW (Supermarine)
A6M2 "Zero/Zeke", 1940
A6M2-21, "Zero/Zeke", 1941
A6M2-N "Rufe" floatplane fighter, 1941
A6M3 "Zero/Zeke", 1942
A6M5 "Zero/Zeke", 1943
A6M5a "Zero/Zeke", 1943
A6M5b "Zero/Zeke", 1944
A6M5c "Zero/Zeke", 1944
A6M7-62 "Zero/Zeke", 1945
A6M7-63 "Zero/Zeke", 1945
D3A1 "Val", 1939
Ki-43-1a "Oscar", 1940
Ki-43-1b "Oscar", 1940
Ki-43-1c "Oscar", 1941
Ki-61-ki "Hien", 1941
Ki-61-hei, 1942
Ki-61-otsu, 1944
Ki84-1a "Hayate/Frank", 1944
Ki84-1b "Hayate/Frank", 1944
Ki84-1c "Hayate/Frank", 1944

Non-flyable AI Aircraft (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
B-17D "Flying Fortress" (Boeing), 1940
B-17E "Flying Fortress" (Boeing), 1941
B-17F "Flying Fortress" (Boeing), 1942
B-17G "Flying Fortress" (Boeing), 1943
B-24J-100-CF "Liberator" (Consolidated)
B-29 "Superfortress" (Boeing), 1944
B-25C-25NA "Mitchell" (North American), 1941
B-25G-1NA "Mitchell" (North American), 1943
B-25H-1NA "Mitchell" (North American), 1943
Blenheim Mk.IV (Bristol), 1938
C-47 "Skytrain" (Douglas), 1936
F2A-2 "Buffalo" (Brewster), 1939
Hawk 75A-3 (Curtiss), 1938
Hawk 75A-4 (Curtiss), 1938
PBN "Nomad" (Consolidated), 1942
TBF-1 "Avenger" (Grumman), 1941
TBF-1C "Avenger" (Grumman), 1942
TBM-3 "Avenger" (General Motors), 1944
Avenger Mk.III, 1942
B5N2 "Kate", 1939
G4M1-11 "Betty", 1941
H8K1 "Emily", 1942
J2M3 "Raiden", 1942
Ki-43-II, 1942
Ki-43-II-Kai, 1942
Ki-46-III-Kai "Dinah", 1942
Ki-46-III-Kai Otsu, 1945
Ki-46-III-Recce, 1943
L2D "Showa" transport, 1941
N1K1J "Shiden", 1942
N1K1Ja "Shiden", 1942

Maps/Locations (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
New Guinea
Kyushu (South Japan)
Chichi Jima
Guadalcanal Early
Guadalcanal
Midway
Tarawa
Hawaii
Coral Sea
Iwo Jima
Okinawa
Palua
Wake Island
Coral Sea Online 1
Coral Sea Online 2
Iwo Jima Online
Okinawa Online
Palau Online
Pacific Islands
Online 8a Islands

Ships and Amphibious Vehicles (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
Dry Cargo Ship
Liquid Cargo Carrier
USS Lexington CV2 (Aircraft carrier)
USS Saratoga CV3 (Aircraft carrier)
USS Carrier Generic
USS Battleship Generic
USS Indianapolis CA35 (Cruiser)
USS Greenling SS213 (Submarine)
USS Gato SS212 (Submarine)
USS Ward DD139 (Destroyer)
USS Dent DD116 (Destroyer)
USS Fletcher DD445 (Destroyer)
USS O'Bannon DD450 (Destroyer)
USS Kidd DD661 (Destroyer)
USS Casablanca CVE55 (Aircraft carrier)
USS Kitcun Bay CVE71 (Aircraft carrier)
USS Shamrock Bay CVE84 (Aircraft carrier)
USS Essex CV9 (Aircraft Carrier)
USS Intrepid CV11 (Aircraft carrier)
US LVT-2 Tracked Landing Craft
US DUKW Amphibious Vehicle
US LCVP Landing Craft
HMS Illustrious CV (Aircraft carrier)
HMS Prince of Wales BB (Battleship)
HMS King George V BB (Battleship)
HMS Duke of York BB (Battleship)
German Submarine Type VIIc
IJN Akagi CV (Aircraft Carrier)
IJN Shokaku CV (Aircraft carrier)
IJN Zuikaku CV (Aircraft carrier)
IJN Carrier Generic
IJN Battleship Generic
IJN Azizuki DD (Destroyer)
IJN Amatsukaze DD (Destroyer)
IJN Arashi DD (Destroyer)
IJN Kagero DD (Destroyer)
IJN Nowaki DD (Destroyer)
IJN Yukikaze DD (Destroyer)
IJN Fishing Boat
IJN Fishing Boat Armed
JP Daihatsu Landing Craft -- as static ship only in Full Mission Builder.

Armor (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
M3A1 "Stuart"
M5A1 "Stuart"
Valentine Mk.III
Matilda Mk.II (UK)
Matilda Mk.II (Aus)
M4A2 "Sherman" US
M4A2(76)W "Sherman" US
Type 95 Ha-Go (Japanese light tank)
Type 95 Ha-Go Radio (Japanese command tank)
Type 97 Chi-Ha (Japanese light tank)
Type 4 Ho-Ro (Japanese self-propelled howitzer)

Vehicles (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
Willys MB US (Jeep)
M3A1 APC (Halftrack)
M16 US (AA Halftrack)
M3 75mm GMC (Halftrack)
Chevrolet US (Cargo Truck)
Chevrolet Medical US (Ambulance)
Chevrolet Radio US (Radio Truck)
Diamond T US / US-6 "Studebaker" (Cargo Truck)
M3 Halftrack
M3 Halftrack PPL
US DUKW Amphibious Vehicle
LVT-2 Tracked Landing Craft
M8 "Greyhound" (US Armored Car)
Type 95 Kurogane (Japanese Passenger Car)
Type 1 APC Ho-Ha (Japanese Halftrack)
Type 94 Truck (Japanese Cargo Truck)

Artillery (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
M2A1 105mm
M5 75mm
40mm Bofors UK/US (wheeled)
40mm Bofors UK/US (stationary)
.50 Browning AA
Type 88 75mm Flak (Japanese)
Type 94 37mm Field (Japanese)
Type 2 2x25mm AAA (Japanese)
Type 96 3x25mm AAA (Japanese)
Type 98 20mm AAA (Japanese)
Bunkers (Four Styles)

Trains (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
Fuel Train/ AA
Freight Train
Freight Train/ AA
Ammunition Train
Ammunition Train/ AA
Freight and Fuel Train
Equipment Train Type 1/ AA
Equipment Train Type 2/ AA
Epuipment Train Type 3/ AA
Passenger Train
Command Staff Train/ AA

Ground Objects (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
Objects Numbered 0 through 345 appears to be the complete catalogue from FB+AEP v2.04.
Objects 346 to 421 are new objects for PF including dummy aircraft, bunkers, open hangars, and Japanese-styled buildings.
Object 388 is a mortar crew.

Speech Packs (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
AU -- Australian.
GB -- UK English.
DU -- Voice files are same as GB pack.
JA -- Japanese.
US -- American English.

Dynamic Campaign start points (Pacific Fighters v3.0 "Standalone")
IJA: Imperial Japanese Army Fighter: New Guinea, August 1942 (Ki-43-Ia).
IJA: Imperial Japanese Army Fighter: Tarawa, November 1943 (Ki-43-Ib, Ki-43-Ic).
IJA: Imperial Japanese Army Fighter: Palau, September 1944 (Ki-61-ki).
IJA: Imperial Japanese Army Fighter: Iwo Jima, February 1945 (Ki-84-1a, Ki-61-Hei).
IJA: Imperial Japanese Army Fighter: Okinawa, April 1945 (Ki-84-1b, Ki-61-Otsu).
IJA: Imperial Japanese Army Fighter: Home Islands, June 1945 (Ki-84-1b, Ki-61-Otsu).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Bomber: Pearl Harbor, December 1941 (D3A1).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Bomber: Wake Island, 1941 (D3A1).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Bomber: Coral Sea, May 1942 (D3A1).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Bomber: Midway, June 1942 (D3A1).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Bomber: Santa Cruz, October 1942 (D3A1).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Pearl Harbor, December 1941 (A6M2-21).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Wake Island, December 1941 (A6M2-21).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Coral Sea, May 1942 (A6M2-21).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Midway, June 1942 (A6M2-21).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Santa Cruz, October 1942 (A6M2-21).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Palau, September 1944 (A6M5c).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Iwo Jima, February 1945 (A6M5c).
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy Fighter: Okinawa, April 1945 (A6M5c).
IJN: Rufe Fighter: Tulagi, June 1942 (A6M2-N).
IJN: Rufe Fighter: Tarawa, November 1943 (A6M2-N).
IJN: Rufe Fighter: Palau, September 1944 (A6M2-N).
IJN: Rufe Fighter: Iwo Jima, February 1945 (A6M2-N, A6M5c).
IJN: Rufe Fighter: Okinawa, April 1945 (A6M5c).
RAAF: Royal Australian Air Force Fighter: New Guineau, July 1942 (Beaufighter Mk.21, P-40E, P-39D-1).
RN: Royal Navy: Iwo Jima, February 1945 (Seafire L Mk.III, Corsair Mk.I, Corsair Mk.II, F6F-5).
RN: Royal Navy: Chichi Jima, March 1945 (Seafire L Mk.III, Corsair Mk.II, Corsair Mk.IV, F6F-5).
RN: Royal Navy: Okinawa, April 1945 (Seafire L Mk.III, Corsair Mk.IV, F6F-5).
USAAF: US Army Bomber: New Guinea, August 1942 (A-20G, B-25J-1NA).
USAAF: US Army Fighter: Pearl Harbor, December 1941 (P-40B).
USAAF: US Army Fighter: Midway, June 1942 (P-40E)
USAAF: US Army Fighter: Japan, June 1945 (P-51D-20NA, P-47D-27).
USMC: US Marine Corps: Midway, June 1942 (P-39D-1).
USMC: US Marine Corps: Guadalcanal, October 1942 (P-39D-1, P-39D-2, P-400).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Coral Sea, May 1942 (SBD-3).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Midway, June 1942 (SBD-3).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Guadalcanal, August 1942 (SBD-3).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Santa Cruz, October 1942 (SBD-3).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Tarawa, November 1943 (SBD-3, SBD-5).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Palau, September 1944 (SBD-5).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Iwo Jima, February 1945 (SBD-5).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Chichi Jima, March 1945 (SBD-5).
USN: US Navy Bomber: Okinawa, April 1945 (SBD-5).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Coral Sea, May 1942 (F4F-3).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Midway, June 1942 (F4F-3).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Guadalcanal, August 1942 (F4F-3).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Santa Cruz, October 1942 (F4F-4, F4F-3).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Tarawa, November 1943 (F4F-4, F4U-1A, F4U-1D).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Palau, September 1944 (F6F-3 Late, F4U-1A, F4U-1D).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Iwo Jima, February 1945 (F6F-5, F4U-1C, F4U-1D).
USN: US Navy Fighter: Chichi Jima, March 1945 (F6F-5, F4U-1C, F4U-1D).
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TheCrux
11-30-2006, 06:25 AM
Wow. Looks very impressive. I'm sure the whole FB/PF must be even more mind-blowing. Many thanks for all your replies. I'm really looking forward to getting this delivered and installing it. And thanks for the patch warning. I'll heed them.

Thanks again!

JG53Frankyboy
11-30-2006, 06:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheCrux:
Wow. Looks very impressive. I'm sure the whole FB/PF must be even more mind-blowing. Many thanks for all your replies. I'm really looking forward to getting this delivered and installing it. And thanks for the patch warning. I'll heed them.

Thanks again! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
why not wait till "46" release, than you have FB till version 4.07 on one DVD.
these few days................

TheCrux
11-30-2006, 07:36 AM
Too late: Already ordered and payed for, but not cost prohibitive to buy the whole shebang later. As they say, the more you get, the more you want.......