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Daiichidoku
04-02-2007, 08:44 AM
your opinion?

id say perhaps a recce dinah driver, or any other high alt recce....

Beaufort-RAF
04-02-2007, 08:49 AM
Flying alone over enemy territory in daylight is not a cushy occupation.

WWSpinDry
04-02-2007, 09:08 AM
How about the guys flying VIPs around? Yeah, if your Storch gets bounced you're history, but for the most part I'd figure those guys (even Rommel) would try to keep from flying too deeply into hot zones.

Daiichidoku
04-02-2007, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Beaufort-RAF:
Flying alone over enemy territory in daylight is not a cushy occupation.

read my post again...COMBAT ZONE

of course, doing ANY flying in the 40s had a good dea lof risk involved

im talkign about what is cushy, speakign relative to being in a combat zone

sigh

MEGILE
04-02-2007, 09:29 AM
Flak supression

Beaufort-RAF
04-02-2007, 09:37 AM
Woah, don't get so wound up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I know your talking in the context of a 'combat zone'.

I'm saying high altitude recce was as hairy an occupation as more conventinal ops.

For example I've a book by a Spitfire recconnaisance pilot and his ops were very dangerous with 163's & 262's buzzing around.

GIAP.Shura
04-02-2007, 09:39 AM
"Divine Wind" duty. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

waffen-79
04-02-2007, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by GIAP.Shura:
"Divine Wind" duty. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

one way ticket!

XyZspineZyX
04-02-2007, 09:49 AM
No pesky landings to worry about

Seriously though, the weather killed more pilots and crews that anything else

Lucius_Esox
04-02-2007, 09:53 AM
your opinion?

id say perhaps a recce dinah driver, or any other high alt recce....



Read Ray Holmes book Sky Spy... Think you might change your opinion. It was probably one of the most dangerous!!

ViktorViktor
04-02-2007, 10:54 AM
I'm not 100% sure, but searching for enemy subs sounds cushy to me. You fly around over wide expanses of water for hours in your PBY, if you meet a sub, you strafe/bomb him and he can't do much except dive.

NAFP_supah
04-02-2007, 11:17 AM
SR-71 Blackbird driver over Laos and Thailand in the early 70's, High, Fast, untouchable and home before miller-time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

joeap
04-02-2007, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
I'm not 100% sure, but searching for enemy subs sounds cushy to me. You fly around over wide expanses of water for hours in your PBY, if you meet a sub, you strafe/bomb him and he can't do much except dive.

+1...plenty of virtual experience on the receiving end in SH3 (modded to be fair). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

stathem
04-02-2007, 12:30 PM
I'd say Mosquito* nightfighter duties - not the airfield intruders mind - very low loss rates.

(* or P-61)

bun-bun195333
04-02-2007, 12:35 PM
UAV - Predator Drone

Jaws2002
04-02-2007, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by bun-bun195333:
UAV - Predator Drone


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You can't get any safer front line duty then that.
Siting at a sesk at Nelis, sucking on a pina colada and poping up talibans in Afganistan. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Waldo.Pepper
04-02-2007, 02:07 PM
read my post again...COMBAT ZONE

Ok I read your post. Nowhere did you define combat zone.

AlL of england was a Combat Zone. Or did you mean IN ENEMY TERRITORY?

M2morris
04-02-2007, 05:52 PM
Flying bigwigs around in a C-12(military version of a Beachcraft king Air):Thats sort-of cushy. Sorry for deviating from the combat zone, but I never saw much cushy stuff in combat zones, because you can still get ripped to peices no matter who you are, but the following is a non-combat related experience and too bad if it pees somebody off, but in the late 90s I ran and operated a rifle range for US Airforce and Army personnell some dang where NE of Venice Italy. I was about 20 Kms from Aviano AB,going to get some lunch, when two airforce officers waved me down by the road and asked for a ride.
It seems thier rental car was broken down and they HAD to get to the Air Base ASAP. I drove them there and right up to thier C-12, beautiful T-tail designed six or eight passenger twin turboprop. Anyway, they said they were going to pick-up a Navy Admiral.
I said "well were is he?"
Then they pointed at an F-14 Tomcat coming in to land. Soon, several MP cars showed up, the two pilots gave me the okay to hang around,and about ten minutes later the F-14 rolled-up
with its brakes smoking real bad. Apparently the brakes don't get much use on the carriers, and they werent used to such long taxiis on Airforce bases. The Admiral and pilot climbed down, I helped them with teir stuff, they were sweating. I talked to the Pilot, and he said they came from a carrier off the coast of Italy, and he gave me a short walk around of that F-14, and explained alot of things. Awesome bird.
Well, sry for getting OT, but when I saw the Cushy-flyer topic, this story came to mind, and the two C-12 pilots needing a ride. I mean, there I was driving along on my way to get a sandwich, next thing I knew I was standing with Navy aviators and putting my hand on the hot wheel of an F-14 that had just left a carrier.

jarink
04-02-2007, 08:41 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9e/Kite_Balloon_From_USS_Arizona.jpg/363px-Kite_Balloon_From_USS_Arizona.jpg

JR_Greenhorn
04-02-2007, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bun-bun195333:
UAV - Predator Drone
You can't get any safer front line duty then that.
Siting at a sesk at Nelis, sucking on a pina colada and poping up talibans in Afganistan. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I know someone who ran cameras on a UAV. She spent a lot of time in the desert in the Middle East sitting with the pilot in a cramped box on the back of a truck. She said they would sit there for hours flying to their target, only to get shot down when they'd just about arrived. While not very comfortable, I would agree, though, that the safety factor is pretty high inside that little box on an AFB in Saudi.

JR_Greenhorn
04-02-2007, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9e/Kite_Balloon_From_USS_Arizona.jpg/363px-Kite_Balloon_From_USS_Arizona.jpg Have you ever blown up ground vehicle that those balloons are tethered to in game? That'd be a pretty wild ride to take off in that basket after you lost your anchor to Earth. Who knows where you would come down again, but chances are everyone would see you coming.

Jaws2002
04-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bun-bun195333:
UAV - Predator Drone
You can't get any safer front line duty then that.
Siting at a sesk at Nelis, sucking on a pina colada and poping up talibans in Afganistan. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I know someone who ran cameras on a UAV. She spent a lot of time in the desert in the Middle East sitting with the pilot in a cramped box on the back of a truck. She said they would sit there for hours flying to their target, only to get shot down when they'd just about arrived. While not very comfortable, I would agree, though, that the safety factor is pretty high inside that little box on an AFB in Saudi. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Smal box or not, they have a REFLY button. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Jaws2002
04-02-2007, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9e/Kite_Balloon_From_USS_Arizona.jpg/363px-Kite_Balloon_From_USS_Arizona.jpg

I don't know about you but I strafe those things with passion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

jensenpark
04-02-2007, 10:41 PM
Bit OT:

My wife's grandfather was a RAF Navigator...started in Blenheim's - and after most were wiped out - got transfered to transport. Shuttling planes to North Africa for a while.

He says he liked the Beaufighter as he could just close the armoured doors between him and the pilot and relax in the back.

He hated the Mossie as he had to sit up front with the pilot and do 'real work'.

JR_Greenhorn
04-02-2007, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
I don't know about you but I strafe those things with passion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif It's the best to strafe them to get the balloon floating away, give the balloon a head start, then go chase it down and blow it up!

nsteense
04-04-2007, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
I'm not 100% sure, but searching for enemy subs sounds cushy to me. You fly around over wide expanses of water for hours in your PBY, if you meet a sub, you strafe/bomb him and he can't do much except dive.
Or shoot you to pieces ? Uboats at some point in the war were fighting the attacking airplanesoff with AA.

FrenziedAU
04-04-2007, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by nsteense:
Or shoot you to pieces ? Uboats at some point in the war were fighting the attacking airplanesoff with AA.

They might have tried to fight the attacking planes off, but not very successfully. Some U-boats were equipped with quad 20mm cannons (or were they quad 37mm's?), but I believe they were still hopelessly ineffective against planes. For more details, head over to the subsim forums and search for U-Flak or something.

LEXX_Luthor
04-04-2007, 07:03 AM
WWSpinDry::
How about the guys flying VIPs around? Yeah, if your Storch gets bounced you're history, but for the most part I'd figure those guys (even Rommel) would try to keep from flying too deeply into hot zones.
NO! Flying Rommel's butt around the desert was a dangerous occupation. Impatient to wait or drive on the ground, he made a pilot fly through a dust storm and regretted it later, realizing how stupid he was. Something "BB" Chuck brings up below...


BBB462cid::
Seriously though, the weather killed more pilots and crews that anything else
Actually, that's an interesting question. It was the case for Ussian aircrew in the Pacific, but I'm not sure about other places like Easter Front. Could be though.

Now, flying VIP for some, maybe. But I'd think flying VIP for the hardcore agressive types like Rommel, Patton, Zhukov, or Yamaguchi would be rather dangerous. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-04-2007, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by nsteense:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
I'm not 100% sure, but searching for enemy subs sounds cushy to me. You fly around over wide expanses of water for hours in your PBY, if you meet a sub, you strafe/bomb him and he can't do much except dive.
Or shoot you to pieces ? Uboats at some point in the war were fighting the attacking airplanesoff with AA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi

Uboats were incredibly poor gun platforms. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Beaufort-RAF
04-05-2007, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by FrenziedAU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nsteense:
Or shoot you to pieces ? Uboats at some point in the war were fighting the attacking airplanesoff with AA.

They might have tried to fight the attacking planes off, but not very successfully. Some U-boats were equipped with quad 20mm cannons (or were they quad 37mm's?), but I believe they were still hopelessly ineffective against planes. For more details, head over to the subsim forums and search for U-Flak or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nsteense is absolutely right, it was exceptionally dangerous attacking a U-boat equipped with AA guns.

They had to make a long approach and come in at very low level.

The attackers would try to sweep the decks with suppressing fire but Sunderlands, Catalinas, Liberators etc were large, lumbering aircraft and if the gun crews weren't hit and held there nerve they could hardly miss.

Fighting it out on the surface was a tactic that led to unenviable encounters for both the U-boats and the aircraft, they were a grave threat to each other.