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Uufflakke
09-11-2008, 03:21 PM
I would like to know what movie you would recommend me when it comes to WWII aircombats. I am not really into movies and I've seen The Longest Day, A Bridge Too Far, Bridge Over The River Kwai and still wanna see Clint Eastwoods Letters From Iwo Jima and Flags Of Our Fathers but actually I want to see a good realistic WWII movie with a lot of interesting ánd realistic aircombats.
So, which movie is a must see?

F19_Orheim
09-11-2008, 03:45 PM
Well I guess "Battle of Britain" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064072/) is a must...


as is "Tmavomodrý svet" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0244479/) a.k.a "Dark Blue World"


I would also recommend "The Fighting lady" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036823/) even if it's a documentary from 46, but if you are interested in the Pacific Theatre it's a must see.

WTE_Galway
09-11-2008, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:

as is "Tmavomodrý svet" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0244479/) a.k.a "Dark Blue World"




Awesome movie. It has few historical inaccuracies including a reference to Eva Braun that is 3 years too early but overall one of the best ever.

I would post a you-tube link but I am not sure about forum policy on clips from commercial movies.

M_Gunz
09-11-2008, 05:18 PM
There is the movie Thunderbolt with forward by Jimmy Stewart, an oldie but goody.
Add to that the The Last Bomb showing a complete firebombing mission.

MGM's Battle of Britain from 1968 includes Adolph Galland in the technical consultants.

Uufflakke
09-11-2008, 05:28 PM
Thanx sofar for your input guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
By this forum I've heard about Battle of Britain but it seems to be higher ranked by women than by men? So that made me think that there are a lot of love affairs etc. involved. Prejudice maybe?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064072/ratings

Anyway, I will search on the internet for the two other movies you mentioned and try to get a grip on those ones.
Other suggestions are always welcome!

WTE_Galway
09-11-2008, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Uufflakke:
Thanx sofar for your input guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
By this forum I've heard about Battle of Britain but it seems to be higher ranked by women than by men? So that made me think that there are a lot of love affairs etc. involved. Prejudice maybe?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064072/ratings

Anyway, I will search on the internet for the two other movies you mentioned and try to get a grip on those ones.
Other suggestions are always welcome!

Battle of Britain is the classic because at the time it was made the Spanish still flew 109's and he111's allowing some awesome combat footage. the 109's are Spanish made Merlin powered Buchons so they look a bit odd to aviation fans, amongst other differences the exhausts are at the top of the cowl http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I would not say there is an excess of romance in it.

Dark Blue World actually used some footage cut from BoB plus lots of new stuff. Some good biplane scenes with BU121??? trainers and excellent spitfire closeups. Some of the combat footage is amongst the best I ever seen.

Dark blue World has a romance and a bit of stuff set post war in a Czech prison (this bit subtitled) but overall its an awesome film.

Another film with good combat footage (though a bit too "Hollywood" for some people) was Memphis Belle.

We don't even talk about Pearl Harbor here (biplanes in the late 20's with electric starters, BoB and Pearl occuring at the same time, zeroes being out maneuvered by the US defenders) so I would forget that one.

Bo_Nidle
09-11-2008, 06:32 PM
"Battle of Britain"..for me nothing comes close to this. I saw it with my Dad when it was first released and have seen it so many times since that I know most of the script. It's not perfect but it's the best to date. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

For me "Memphis Belle" was a lost opportunity. Very over played in terms of the story but the part where John Lithgow reads the next of kin letters over a montage of real WW2 footage is still very moving.

"Pearl Harbor" had superb effects but they were drastically wasted in a bloody awful film. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I still enjoy "The Dambusters" and keep looking for info on the progress of the remake but can find nothing much.

I still like the WW1 film "The Blue Max" but gave up on "Flyboys" after about 30 minutes! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Chris0382
09-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Shangralah!!!!!!!!!1

Rjel
09-11-2008, 09:06 PM
I enjoy the Battle of Britain but I don't think it's a classic in the same vein as say Twelve O'clock High. I think, maybe for obvious reasons, the English actors come across much better than their German counterparts. The German characters are too cartoonish, IMO. On the other side of that obviously some of the greatest English actors of the 20th century were featured in that film and played their parts convincingly.

I think too the special effects are very poor even for a film released in 1969. The models used to depict Spitfires on the ground don't look very convincing when they are blown up. Same with the German models shown crashing in air combat. There are a couple of times you can even see string trailing the airplane as it crashes on the beach. I thought the mock ups of P-40s in Tora,Tora,Tora were much more effective when they were blown up. Both films were released within a year of each other.

WTE_Galway
09-11-2008, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
The German characters are too cartoonish, IMO.

Well you must admit Hermann Göing was a bit cartoonish. Even the german public at the time found him amusing.

http://www.themarshalsbaton.com/Rare%20ranks_files/image036.jpg

M_Gunz
09-11-2008, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Uufflakke:
Thanx sofar for your input guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
By this forum I've heard about Battle of Britain but it seems to be higher ranked by women than by men? So that made me think that there are a lot of love affairs etc. involved. Prejudice maybe?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064072/ratings

Anyway, I will search on the internet for the two other movies you mentioned and try to get a grip on those ones.
Other suggestions are always welcome!

Yeah there's a romance mixed in bits there and women in danger parts as was real.
There's also a lot of aerial action, gobs of it really. Want images of what it's like to be
inside a bomber being riddled with bullets? Or fire inside a cockpit? Or tactical maneuvers?

The DVD runs like $10 regular price and worth twice that.

maxwellbest2008
09-12-2008, 12:27 AM
Twelve O'Clock High with Gregory Peck? For mine, one of the best movies of all time. Very tightly directed, acted. Just shows how grim the air war over Europe was.

HuninMunin
09-12-2008, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
There is the movie Thunderbolt with forward by Jimmy Stewart, an oldie but goody.
Add to that the The Last Bomb showing a complete firebombing mission.

MGM's Battle of Britain from 1968 includes Adolph Galland in the technical consultants.

He left the project because of historical inaccuracy.

wayno7777
09-12-2008, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:


For me "Memphis Belle" was a lost opportunity. Very over played in terms of the story but the part where John Lithgow reads the next of kin letters over a montage of real WW2 footage is still very moving.

:

Get the documentary. It's 43 minutes filmed in color with footage from several Allied bombing missions merged into one reprsentative flight.
It's directed by William Wyler, who flew several missions with the crew, manning the camera himself at considerable risk.

leitmotiv
09-12-2008, 01:28 AM
Rated for film quality, not just for air combat:

"Twelve O'Clock High" (novel was written by 8th AF Bomber Command officers)

"Command Decision" (the original play was writ by 8th AF person)

"Memphis Belle" (the 1944 Wyler documentary, not the abysmal puerile fantasy released in 1990)

"The Dambusters"

"Torpedo Bombers" (Russian, about a Baltic DB torpedo bomber squadron getting hacked to pieces in suicidal attacks)

"The Purple Plain"

"Flying Tigers" (an excellent wartime film and because the air combat is handled well)

"Piece of Cake"

"I Bombed Pearl Harbor" (not a great film but interesting for the "other side" perspective)

Regarding "Battle of Britain", I can understand why this is a sentimental favorite of the UK contingent. I watched it straight through for the first time in about 34 years recently. To me, it is such an awful piece of film work I can't enjoy it. The one portion I have always admired is the aerial "danse macabre" towards the end which is beautifully edited (all music and no sound effects)---a ballet of death. I believe this had been done by somebody other than the director of the film. "Dark Blue World" is too much of a soap opera for me.

JG52Uther
09-12-2008, 01:34 AM
Battle of Britain for me as well.I can quite happily watch the dvd any time,and still enjoy it.I disagree that the Germans look cartoonish,at the beginning of the film they look very confident and perhaps arrogant,but as losses mount you can see the desperation creeping in.
Dark Blue World is also excellent as said.
I would absolutely love a film to be made of Mar.seille or Hartmann.If those guys had been British or American there would have been a few by now I think.

leitmotiv
09-12-2008, 01:36 AM
There is a film about Mars/eille (idiotic Ubi profanity censor!)---German, 1950s: "The Star of Africa". Available here:

http://www.ihffilm.com/dvd048.html

I've never seen it.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
09-12-2008, 01:52 AM
As a proud Limey I'll follow on from Leit's points.

Battle of Britain is bloody awful on the ground. More interesting as an evocation of late 1960's hairstyles than an authentic recreation of a point in history. There is no denying that the airborne scenes are very well done and this alone makes a DVD purchase more than worth the price, but the sloppy attitude to scenes involving humans rather than aeroplanes are a cross you will have to bear. Parts of the movie, in modern parliance, truly suck the big one. Had the director of airiel sequences been in charge of the whole movie, who knows? Of interest, Walton wrote a whole score for the film, not just the airborne sequence that comes across so well - it's available as an extra on some versions of the DVD and makes a difference.

Did Guy Hamilton ever direct another movie of note after BoB? I wouldn't trust him with an advert for a local take-away.

general_kalle
09-12-2008, 02:24 AM
just stay away from pearl harbour.
best advice i can give you.
its probably the worst war movie ever made!!!

hsj43
09-12-2008, 04:23 AM
Patton,Pearl Harbour,TORA TORA TORA are great war movies.

leitmotiv
09-12-2008, 05:23 AM
To follow on from Low Flyer's comments about Guy Hamilton, here is his oeuvre---a mixed bag---probably more famous for "Goldfinger" than anything else---specialist in big budget action flicks---doubtlessly why he was hired for "Battle of Britain":

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0357891/

Chris0382
09-12-2008, 05:30 AM
The best movie ever that will set you on an emotionala rollercoaster you never thought was possible is the series Winds of War and War and Rememberance. Its about 18 or 24 DVD's or VCR's and comes in 3 sets I believe. Covers the war from begining to end in all theaters BOB, France, Russia, Singapore, Phillipines, Poland, N Africa, Italy, D Day, Ardennes, Holocaust etc. One whole 2 hr episode alone on just Midway (only episode engulfing an entire battle).

I know there is American propaganda thrown in but its was just a great movie (series) I could not stop watching. I had to go to 3 libraries to get all the episodes and allmost lost my cool when the Wallingford, CT library couldn't find the last 2 episodes but they eventually found them as I kept on to them for them.. They were also the most gruesome episodes as one of the main characters...... I won't spoil it.

M_Gunz
09-12-2008, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
There is the movie Thunderbolt with forward by Jimmy Stewart, an oldie but goody.
Add to that the The Last Bomb showing a complete firebombing mission.

MGM's Battle of Britain from 1968 includes Adolph Galland in the technical consultants.

He left the project because of historical inaccuracy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was that over the scene where he was supposed to have asked for Spitfires?

tom19073
09-12-2008, 06:25 AM
I recommend the PBS mini-series titled Piece of Cake. If you liked Battle of Britan you will like this. It is worth buying a copy.

hsj43
09-12-2008, 06:53 AM
Midway great war movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chris0382
09-12-2008, 08:24 AM
Im going to throw in.

Sands of Iwo Jima
Run Silent Run Deep (Submarine movie)
Fighting Seabees
If Tomorrow Comes (Japanese Internment Movie).
Dirty Dozen
Das Boot
12 Hours Over Tokyo
Patton
Battle of the Buldge
Normandy
To Sink the Bismark
The World at World series
Victory at Sea series
Enemy at the Gates (Stalingrad)
How Hitler Lost the War
A Bridge too Far

What was that crippled destroyer vs crippled submarine movie?

Wasn't there also a crippled plane vs tank movie.

Yippee.
09-12-2008, 08:37 AM
I think a few of you are being a bit too critical towards "Battle of Britain" and "Memphis Belle." I think they are both decent films, save for a few 5¢ special effects.

I have always had a good laugh that one of the He 111 pilots announces "Tomato Heinz to All, Tomato Heinz to All." Soon thereafter, his tailgunner is squirted in the goggles with same.

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zardozid
09-12-2008, 08:54 AM
Here is a thread I started a few weeks ago...find it here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2601013236/m/9311087676/p/1). It is a list of "most" of the "air combat" films I (we) could think of..."the good, the bad...and the ugly" (meaning, the good films, the bad films...and the embarrassing films...)

Again, you can find the thread of 96 air combat films HERE. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2601013236/m/9311087676/p/1)

...enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

leitmotiv
09-12-2008, 09:15 AM
Reminder:

This thread is about "good or best" WWII air combat films.

Metatron_123
09-12-2008, 09:59 AM
Thanks for mentioning 'Der stern von Afrika' Leitmotiv, I was not aware of that one!

Firstly it's very strange to me that there was such a German production so soon after the war.

Secondly, have a look at this clip:
Det stern von Afrika (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZW1LsrfIyg)

Interestingly, they used the much prettier and Me-109 like HA-1112-K1L rather than the Merlin engined HA-1112-M1L. Good show!

WOLFMondo
09-12-2008, 10:08 AM
Only one mention of Midway?! Crikey. Battle of Britain is excellent.

zardozid
09-12-2008, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Reminder:

This thread is about "good or best" WWII air combat films.


I didn't see many films mentioned in this thread and I thought that maybe people needed to be reminded that their are more films out their... I personally find something to enjoy in "almost" any "air combat" film. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bremspropeller
09-12-2008, 11:26 AM
Pearl Harbor and Top Gun.

enemyace
09-12-2008, 12:50 PM
I recently watched "Battle of Britain" again after reading a recent account of U.S. volunteer flyers there and was impressed at the accuracy of the facts conveyed in the movie itself, aside from the obvious details (a blond-haired Goering, Spanish Me109's and He111's, etc). If you ignore the ridiculous model-airplane-getting-blown-up sequences(especially the Stukas)and melodramatic love story it's got a lot going for it. Highlights include Robert Shaw's "I'm ****ed off at everything" character alternately yelling and glaring at his fellow pilots and Michael Caine's dead pan delivery as he snaps on his goggles and goes into combat "Roger....attacking now...". The sheer number of flyable Spitfires and Hurricanes is a rush.

Years ago Aviation History magazine (I think) did a hilarious review of all AF war movies to date. Their comment on "Memphis Belle" was right on: "This movie has everything going for it, the right sets, the right actors, the right types and numbers airplanes, all it was waiting for was the right script. They're still waiting...." At least they pulled a bunch of good lines from Bert Stiles "Serenade" like the gunner commenting on the 109 that just missed them with "...that guy had blue eyes". It does however do a great job in capturing details like flak bursts rattling their B17, the sheer cacophoney of firing a .50 cal inside a plane with shell casings flying everywhere, the cold fear of sweating out a bombing run, etc. Best as I can tell anyhow, I certainly wasn't there.

I haven't watched it in a long time but "Catch 22" apparently has the largest collection of flying B-25's in a movie and for all it's absurdity the writer, Joseph Heller, was a B-25 bombardier in WWII.

WWI: "Blue Max" is a real good one as I recall though I'm curious to check out "The Red Baron" that released in Germany this past April - has anybody seen it? The aircraft look fantastic.

"Pearl Harbor" is worth watching as long as you skip anything that isn't a combat sequence - that's why God has given us FF buttons on remotes. ILM always does a bang up job with effects.

"Midway" is arguably one the most hilariously bad WWII movie's ever made, what with everyone's 1970's haircuts and ridculous editing (in one Twilight Zone sequence of shots Carlton Heston goes from flying an SBD Dauntless to a Devastator, then an AT6, and then apparently time-warping to his death scene which is stock footage of an F4 Phantom Jet blowing up on deck!). The final shot of two generals lamenting the horrible cost of war with the modern Enterprise carrier in the background and the crowd of extras standing around the dock in regular 1970's clothes is priceless. Apparently the battle didn't wrap up until 1976!

My 2 cents.

Rjel
09-12-2008, 01:04 PM
The wartime book Serenade to the Big Bird by Bert Stiles would make an incredible movie. After flying 35 missions as a co-pilot in a B-17 he went on to fly P-51s. It's a great book for those who haven't read it.

leitmotiv
09-12-2008, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Metatron_123:
Thanks for mentioning 'Der stern von Afrika' Leitmotiv, I was not aware of that one!

Firstly it's very strange to me that there was such a German production so soon after the war.

Secondly, have a look at this clip:
Det stern von Afrika (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZW1LsrfIyg)

Interestingly, they used the much prettier and Me-109 like HA-1112-K1L rather than the Merlin engined HA-1112-M1L. Good show!

You just decided me on buying the film! And, the sound track is great!

hsj43
09-12-2008, 02:12 PM
HOT SHOTS,HOT SHOTS PART DEUX great war movies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

vpmedia
09-12-2008, 02:22 PM
movie, WWII aircombat only:

Thunderbolt, Combat America & Memphis Belle is available here:
http://www.archive.org/details/CombatAm1945
http://www.archive.org/details/MemphisBelle
http://www.archive.org/details/thunderbolt
http://www.archive.org/details/FightingLady

Nobody mentioned :

Flying Leathernecks (1951)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043547/

Tuskegee Airmen
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114745/

633 squadron
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057811/

crucislancer
09-12-2008, 02:56 PM
Thunderbolt is one of my favorite documentaries.

More kudos for Battle of Britain and Dark Blue World.

Tora! Tora! Tora! is excellent.

I didn't mind Memphis Belle. I like most of the actors, and the battle scenes were cool. I agree, it needed a better script, but it's a fun movie.

DKoor
09-12-2008, 03:22 PM
Be sure to check out the Aces High (from 1976), it's about WW1 aircombat, 76 sqn RFC (Royal Flying Corps) and their SE.5's scouts.
It is perhaps the very best film about aircombat I've ever seen.

Not because of some ultra-reality in those flying scenes but for the atmosphere...

Well worth watching if you're into aircombat & movies.

For WW2 aircombat IMHO Dark Blue World is on the top.

Rjel
09-12-2008, 04:01 PM
After reading the titles of some of the films here that people consider to be excellent examples of film making I guess I have to wonder what makes it that good? To me a believable story, good acting and hopefully good use of special effects or actual footage cut into the scene make an effective movie. Not to knock any one else's favorite movie but some of the titles listed here are terrible movies. At least in my opinion (which means nothing to anyone but me, I know) and most movie reviewers, both current and past.

So what is it? Just a lot of airplanes flashing by on the screen and lots of explosions and the like? Maybe that's why I really don't care for most action type movies made today. Endless and even mindless car chases, explosions and graphic violence just wear me out. I want a movie that tells me a story so I walk away with something to think about.

Viper2005_
09-12-2008, 05:30 PM
Flying Leathernecks.

The combat is almost all gun camera footage.

The advice given to pilots is good, if somewhat harsh.

After flying IL2 for a few years, I have come to understand it far better.

Obviously, because it's largely based upon gun camera footage rather than SFX, you are watching real people die, which is a somewhat sobering experience.

Strangely, it's rated PG in the UK. Personally I think that this is rather strange, since amongst other things, the aftermath of a real napalm attack is featured...

Other footage was shot using real F6Fs and T6s purchased by Howard Hughes. Somehow he even managed to wrangle a few live ordnance drops to supplement his stock footage.

Basically then, it's the WWII equivalent of Hell's Angels.

Aircraft enthusiasts should be warned that many aeroplanes were destroyed in the making of this movie, including a Catalina and numerous Hellcats.

JSG72
09-12-2008, 06:23 PM
Mmmm... I don't know of any?

All films were made before 1970.

You what!!!

That was before most of yous were born?

It was all Propaganda?

Even Gunshot Cams. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gifBut true.

Skycat_2
09-12-2008, 07:31 PM
The best movie is short but still free to watch:
1945 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnPhU-pT0wE)

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TSmoke
09-12-2008, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Chris0382.

"What was that crippled destroyer vs crippled submarine movie?"

I believe it was titled The Enemy Below.

As for the crippled plane vs tank movie seen it a loooooooong time ago, cannot remember it's title.

My picks are
Battle Of Britian
The Blue Max
Stalingrad
12 Oclock High
The Dambusters
Memphis Belle Documentary
Midway

There are to many to choose from.

HuninMunin
09-12-2008, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
There is the movie Thunderbolt with forward by Jimmy Stewart, an oldie but goody.
Add to that the The Last Bomb showing a complete firebombing mission.

MGM's Battle of Britain from 1968 includes Adolph Galland in the technical consultants.

He left the project because of historical inaccuracy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was that over the scene where he was supposed to have asked for Spitfires? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All I know is that he found the overall potrayal of the German side lacking in many regards.
In particular the two lead German roles wich were based on him and Mölders losely ( once you look at the real character of Mölders for example you start to see why).
If at all the misquotation of his famous demand was one factor of many.

I personaly don't like the movie very much.
It's just a weak film.
Even the montage during the climax I found very cumbersome and crude, even for the times the movie was produced in.
For me the definitive movie on WW2 aircombat has yet to be made.
Nearly all movies referenced here are not very good judged on an artistic level.
But we're in a niche and therefor I'm able to endure a lot for the odd short view onto aircombat in various bad movies.
Still in the end that remains borrowed interest...

WTE_Galway
09-12-2008, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
I want a movie that tells me a story so I walk away with something to think about.

I prefer plain action movies because to be quite honest script writers simply are incapable of deep philosophical insights, accurate historical portrayals or anything vaguely resembling meaningful social commentary. Well maybe some are possibly capable of it but no movie company would produce the film.

At least an action movie has no pretensions about "teaching us about life" or being art http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rjel
09-12-2008, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
I prefer plain action movies because to be quite honest script writers simply are incapable of deep philosophical insights, accurate historical portrayals or anything vaguely resembling meaningful social commentary. Well maybe some are possibly capable of it but no movie company would produce the film.

At least an action movie has no pretensions about "teaching us about life" or being art http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm afraid I have to disagree, at least where it concerns the history of movie making. There have been plenty of movies through out the years that have been able to tell a story with the criteria you mentioned. Whether many have been aviation based, beyond Twelve O'clock High I haven't seen many either. But to dismiss all movies as being pretentious is off base IMO.

Again, movies can tell a story to varying degrees of accuracy. That's why they put the disclaimer at the end of nearly every movie I've ever watched saying it's not 100% accurate (I'm paraphrasing there). Documentaries, on the other hand, are supposed to portray historical fact. They're two different mediums.

leitmotiv
09-13-2008, 07:09 AM
I just saw a great film directed by Russian Larisa Shepitko---"Wings" about a Sov female fighter pilot who survived the war physically but died psychically.

cawimmer430
09-13-2008, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by enemyace:
WWI: "Blue Max" is a real good one as I recall though I'm curious to check out "The Red Baron" that released in Germany this past April - has anybody seen it? The aircraft look fantastic.



I saw it recently and it's JUNK. It's a story that goes nowhere. The scenes are never really connected, at least that's the feeling I got. I didn't bother finishing the movie actually. A little after the halfway line I stopped the film and returned it to the DVD rental shop the next day.

The special affects are awesome, but the aerial fight scenes are not thrilling enough. Honestly, I was more on the edge of my seat watching the dogfight scenes in "Flyboys" than this movie.

The actor who plays the Red Baron looks a bit too boyish while Til Schweiger plays an ace who was supposedly younger than the Red Baron.

Take my word for it, this movie was junk. I didn't like it and I was bored throughout the parts I saw.

hsj43
09-13-2008, 12:38 PM
My Fav World War 2 Movies
Battle of Britain
Patton
TORA,TORA,TORA
Pearl Harbor
Battle of the Buldge
Midway
Saving Private Ryan
Enemy at the Gate
Letters of Iwo Jima
Sink the Bismark, ill like see remake made todays ver. of that movie.
Enemy Down Below
A Bridge Too Far
Memphis Belle

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-13-2008, 02:49 PM
Dark Blue World could have been really good. If they would have just canned the lovey wubby crap and added more combat.

S!

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-13-2008, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by hsj43:
My Fav War Movies
Battle of Britain
Patton
TORA,TORA,TORA
Pearl Harbor
Battle of the Buldge
Midway
Saving Private Ryan
Enemy at the Gate
Letters of Iwo Jima
Sink the Bismark, ill like see remake made todays ver. of that movie.
Enemy Down Below

You never watched Band of Brothers!?

Chris0382
09-14-2008, 04:59 AM
Ive been watching this post and I firmly believe the best WW2 movie ever was "1941".

In this movie John Belushi and his Japanese submarine crew sank the ferris wheel off the coast of California by sending it rolling down the pier into the ocean to shouts of Bonazii!!!!!!!.

They completed their mission "to destroy something honorable".

An infamous night for those who held that ferris wheel dearest to thier hearts.

Rjel
09-14-2008, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Chris0382:
Ive been watching this post and I firmly believe the best WW2 movie ever was "1941".

In this movie John Belushi and his Japanese submarine crew sank the ferris wheel off the coast of California by sending it rolling down the pier into the ocean to shouts of Bonazii!!!!!!!.


You might want to watch it again....

Uufflakke
09-14-2008, 01:57 PM
Guys, thank you for all the info about some good WWII aircombat movies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
When the cold, rainy and dark wintermonths are coming I have my list for the DVD rental shop.

And the website http://www.imdb.com/ is helpful too if I want to have some more info about a certain movie. Especially the overview of goofs are sometimes hilarious to read.

Chris0382
09-14-2008, 02:05 PM
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You might want to watch it again....[/QUOTE]

Now I remember John Belushi rose up to fight the Japanese if I can recall.

berg417448
09-14-2008, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Chris0382:
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You might want to watch it again....[/QUOTE]

Now I remember John Belushi rose up to fight the Japanese if I can recall.[/QUOTE]



Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40t6ys8pgNo

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUCu-A7tgg&feature=related

Bo_Nidle
09-16-2008, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by wayno7777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:


For me "Memphis Belle" was a lost opportunity. Very over played in terms of the story but the part where John Lithgow reads the next of kin letters over a montage of real WW2 footage is still very moving.

:

Get the documentary. It's 43 minutes filmed in color with footage from several Allied bombing missions merged into one reprsentative flight.
It's directed by William Wyler, who flew several missions with the crew, manning the camera himself at considerable risk. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know mate, I have it already, which is why the theatrical movie was so disappointing.

panther3485
09-16-2008, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hsj43:
My Fav War Movies
Battle of Britain
Patton
TORA,TORA,TORA
Pearl Harbor
Battle of the Buldge
Midway
Saving Private Ryan
Enemy at the Gate
Letters of Iwo Jima
Sink the Bismark, ill like see remake made todays ver. of that movie.
Enemy Down Below

You never watched Band of Brothers!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He said, "My Fav World War 2 Movies"

I think Band of Brothers was excellent but it was a TV mini-series, not a movie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

panther3485
09-16-2008, 03:39 AM
My fave WW2 air combat movies:

Battle of Britain (faults notwithstanding, still up there IMHO)
Dark Blue World
TORA! TORA! TORA!
Twelve O'Clock High
Flying Leathernecks
The Dam Busters
Memphis Belle (again, faults notwithstanding)
Flying Tigers
633 Squadron (yes, corny dialogue and very hackneyed by today's standards but the ground and flying scenes with those Mossies! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif)

fraidycat1
09-16-2008, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Chris0382:
Im going to throw in.

Sands of Iwo Jima
Run Silent Run Deep (Submarine movie)
Fighting Seabees
If Tomorrow Comes (Japanese Internment Movie).
Dirty Dozen
Das Boot
12 Hours Over Tokyo
Patton
Battle of the Buldge
Normandy
To Sink the Bismark
The World at World series
Victory at Sea series
Enemy at the Gates (Stalingrad)
How Hitler Lost the War
A Bridge too Far

What was that crippled destroyer vs crippled submarine movie?

Wasn't there also a crippled plane vs tank movie.

The Enemy Below, and Death Race.

hsj43
09-16-2008, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by hsj43:
My Fav World War 2 Movies
Battle of Britain
Patton
TORA,TORA,TORA
Pearl Harbor
Battle of the Buldge
Midway
Saving Private Ryan
Enemy at the Gate
Letters of Iwo Jima
Sink the Bismark, ill like see remake made todays ver. of that movie.
Enemy Down Below
A Bridge Too Far
Memphis Belle
On you tube i saw movie clips call Yamato like to see that one.That was one huge Battleship

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-16-2008, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by panther3485:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hsj43:
My Fav War Movies
Battle of Britain
Patton
TORA,TORA,TORA
Pearl Harbor
Battle of the Buldge
Midway
Saving Private Ryan
Enemy at the Gate
Letters of Iwo Jima
Sink the Bismark, ill like see remake made todays ver. of that movie.
Enemy Down Below

You never watched Band of Brothers!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He said, "My Fav World War 2 Movies"

I think Band of Brothers was excellent but it was a TV mini-series, not a movie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not TV...its HBO!

S!

panther3485
09-16-2008, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by panther3485:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hsj43:
My Fav War Movies
Battle of Britain
Patton
TORA,TORA,TORA
Pearl Harbor
Battle of the Buldge
Midway
Saving Private Ryan
Enemy at the Gate
Letters of Iwo Jima
Sink the Bismark, ill like see remake made todays ver. of that movie.
Enemy Down Below

You never watched Band of Brothers!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He said, "My Fav World War 2 Movies"

I think Band of Brothers was excellent but it was a TV mini-series, not a movie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not TV...its HBO!

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not a movie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif