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DKoor
07-28-2009, 05:55 PM
That could be linked with your fighter of choice, or maybe not?

My fav attack is good old surprise belly riddling from point blank range. Drop on bandit with superior speed, sink little below 'em, then when close pull a bit up and execute E/A belly raking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

I've noticed that some people just like to mix it up, but I'm really not that kind of guy. I wouldn't mix it up even if I fly a Spitfire if I don't have to. Too much stress, not my style.
This is just much, much cleaner IMHO...

Your thoughts?

AndyJWest
07-28-2009, 06:08 PM
If I tried that I'd probably end up ramming him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Do you really have the patience to wait for your favourite? I just try to pick an opportune time to take what is about, though I still usually mess things up. Still, practice, practice (and sorry for the ramming guys, I promise it is just misjudgement, not deliberate)...

DKoor
07-28-2009, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
If I tried that I'd probably end up ramming him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Do you really have the patience to wait for your favourite? I just try to pick an opportune time to take what is about, though I still usually mess things up. Still, practice, practice (and sorry for the ramming guys, I promise it is just misjudgement, not deliberate)... I can give you only one real advice... do not switch your point of views. If you zoom, un-zoom when closing on (identified) target you will make your gunnery difficult.
I don't know if you've done it or not, but I found that to be my no.1 nemesis as far as gunnery is concerned.

To answer your question, yes.
If enemy didn't saw me, I try to do that every time if I come in with superior speed (I overtake bandit very quickly).
In combination with very close convergence this is a very powerful attack pattern http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif.

WTE_Galway
07-28-2009, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
That could be linked with your fighter of choice, or maybe not?

My fav attack is good old surprise belly riddling from point blank range. Drop on bandit with superior speed, sink little below 'em, then when close pull a bit up and execute E/A belly raking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

I've noticed that some people just like to mix it up, but I'm really not that kind of guy. I wouldn't mix it up even if I fly a Spitfire if I don't have to. Too much stress, not my style.
This is just much, much cleaner IMHO...

Your thoughts?

+1

Assuming the target plays along ... I usually followup with a wingover back down for a pass from above and to one side.

VW-IceFire
07-28-2009, 06:55 PM
I had two styles:

1) Cool, calm, collected, and surgical. Fly above the fight, pick out a bandit, and very methodically pick the optimal attack pattern factoring in possible moves and counter moves to approach from the best angle possible to give me a shot. Basically executing a textbook boom and zoom pass on the target. My objective in this mode is to "kill" the target in the first pass...and by that I mean take them effectively out of the fight. That ranges from the absolutely done for (wing missing, pilot dead, all control axis destroyed, engine destroyed, on fire, etc.) to the hard done by and not really combat capable anymore (engine operating at half power, significant fuel leak that will not seal, wing is riddled with holes and plane will not turn anymore). Either way the guy is out of the fight and I've done my job.

2) Bloodlust frenzy. This is my alternate mode...usually when things go wrong but sometimes not. This is where I will use large amounts of rudder and stick to generate some really dangerous stall moves either for gunnery position or as a defensive measure. My gunnery is less precise although my best (and luckiest) shooting as come from this mode. This is where the higher functions of my brain are off...and its more of an instinct thing.

Either works for me....usually the top one is more survivable. Less fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BillSwagger
07-28-2009, 07:29 PM
At times, I would describe flying in Il2 similar to being in a mosh pit. I hit what ever is in front of me, and i'm able to turn with, with out losing energy. Otherwise, i pick another target and hit them, then i'm on to the next. When its really crowded like that, its important for me not be obsessed with downing one target, but rather hitting as many targets as possible in short period of time. If i get the kill, great. If not, at least i'm still alive to pick out another target. I find the "stick and move" offense to work really well in a crowded airspace when it comes to survival.

When its less crowded or if i'm facing one opponent, then i revert to a style similar to what DKoor mentioned, attacking from a lower position with much more energy and speed.

SeaFireLIV
07-28-2009, 08:01 PM
I`m still a mixing it up kinda guy and still relish a fight where i`m hitting flaps and trimming to outturn and shoot down the enemy. However, over the years i`ve learned to kill in the `boring`, quick fashion. Important on online campaigns when killing quick is more important than wasting time.

If I am high and see an unsuspecting bogey low (or even suspecting), I`ll use my aircraft to boom and zoom, keeping energy for another run. I will always head for a lead shoot ahead of the cockpit and try to rake along as I pass.

I won`t dogfight if I can win with such a kill.

doogerie
07-29-2009, 03:14 AM
It' used to be head on but now i am in to going really low and turning the 109 cna't out turn the spit at low altatude then when i get behind gim it's get in close as I can like 10.2 or lower so that he fills my screen and then i shoot to kill i know that thats not a good tactic but it does what it says on the tin

Henkie327
07-29-2009, 08:17 AM
my favourite attack pattern is where I can shoot the bandit and he can't shoot back.

JtD
07-29-2009, 09:00 AM
Fly low at 10 meters and release the PTAB bombs on the unsuspecting tank column.

SterlingX
07-29-2009, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
Fly low at 10 meters and release the PTAB bombs on the unsuspecting tank column.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJSk2Xc3Eq4

AllorNothing117
07-29-2009, 10:17 AM
Playing AI I find The kind of cool colective Attack runing I love very dificult unless I'm against bombers ot very slow fighters. When I'm not agains them it's all about the YAK baby http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif or something similar for a good bit od Dogfighting. Situational awarness at it's upmost and staying fast whilst turning into any enemy attacks. This is the most enjyable way of playinjg IL-2 Ofline IMO. So I stick to that, if I get online then it's P-38 nice and high, textbook booming and zooming attacks like ICEFIRE said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Saburo_0
07-29-2009, 10:37 AM
I Know intellectually the boom and zoom belly attack, or a bit from the side is best. But I truly emotionally love the sit on his six and pump lead into the bad guy kills!

Its 1 reason I like WW1 sims so much I suppose, the pleasure lasts a bit longer. And in a Zero, once you have worn down his energy, and he can't run or hide, Ahh!Satisfaction.

DKoor
07-29-2009, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by SterlingX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Fly low at 10 meters and release the PTAB bombs on the unsuspecting tank column.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJSk2Xc3Eq4 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Around 3:30 cassette at work... I mean this thing really kills.

CUJO_1970
07-29-2009, 05:12 PM
Rolling, high-speed dive from above.

Loco-S
07-29-2009, 05:39 PM
First you check from the bar onto the dance floor to see which one looks available, then you offer her a drink.....wait...ah, its about airplanes??

ImMoreBetter
07-29-2009, 05:39 PM
Rear quarter deflection shot, with me flying level and the enemy climbing.

Doesn't happen too often, but it is the most beautiful.

nte70
07-31-2009, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
Fly low at 10 meters and release the PTAB bombs on the unsuspecting tank column.
hear hear

Krakkers
08-12-2009, 06:25 AM
Usually it involves me flying while regularly turning and observing, only to get bounced, BnZ style, from the one part of the sky I'm not currently looking at and then falling in flames...

...occasionally it works the other way round

general_kalle
08-12-2009, 06:40 AM
well it all depends on what im flying and what im facing as that has to dictate the fight but if i have the option to choose what i like best it would be to get on his dead six and then riddle the whole of his plane with projektiles from engine to tail with a small angle deflektion as he's turning to evade.
feels awesome when you see the plane completly desintegratin, burning, dewinged, de-tailed.

Bremspropeller
08-12-2009, 06:44 AM
Whatever minimizes the risk to me and maximizes the risk to hostile forces.

Treetop64
08-12-2009, 02:30 PM
Coming in fast from up high, taking a pot shot, then gettin' the hell outta dodge to come around again from up high for another swing. Classic BnZ forever!

It requires a lot of patience; much more time is spent setting up for an optimal position than anything else, and it's not all that spectacular to watch, but it's darned effective at keeping me alive, and keeping the initiative in my hands.

coyote40368
08-12-2009, 04:24 PM
Attack pattern Delta.

Thekid321
08-12-2009, 10:21 PM
If I fly something like a stuka or sturmovik, and if you get a fighter on your tail, always keep one or two bombs left. fly real low with set bomb timer, then when they get low to shoot ya. Be a jerk and drop the bombs. Napalm is fun to and its funny to watch them disintigrate. Or if you fly a P-51 with the wing mounted bombs, I blew off only the wings of the 109 behind me. the fuselage was fine. (until it hit the ground)