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CoJ_Fan_87
10-28-2009, 05:33 AM
I'm very curious as to what the so-called "Pieces of Eden" are. The only theories I've been able to come up with are :

- Highly advanced technology from the past (theory of cyclic history)

- Alien technology left on Earth

- Advanced Mayan technology (in regards to the Mayan 2012 13 crystal skulls prophecy)


Anyone have any other theories?

El_Sjietah
10-28-2009, 06:09 AM
Advanced Mayan technology would be silly. Those guys were running around in loin cloth, clubbing each other in a coma with crude weapons, so they could later rip out their hearts and throw them down their piramids (last bit could be Aztecs as well, the loin cloth and crude weapons part still applies though). I can't imagine such primitive people (although advanced for their time) to suddenly come up with something like the pieces of Eden.

The alien thing doesn't feel very AC and I don't think Ubi is gonna pull an Indiana Jones on us with this one.

So yeh, most plausible to me would be advanced technology from the past.

caswallawn_2k7
10-28-2009, 06:55 AM
Advanced Mayan technology would be silly. Those guys were running around in loin cloth, clubbing each other in a coma with crude weapons
yet they made a structure that can tell you the day, month, year and time down to the second as accurately as NASA's atomic clock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

EmperorxZurg
10-28-2009, 08:05 AM
so they got lucky with one thing, people still shouldn't believe in the whole 2012 thing, the Mayans built their calendar in sections, and if they were still around at 2012, then they would make a new because the old section was up. That's what they did with the rest, they never foretold when the world would end.

But on topic: I'm thinking time travel might be involved and some dude form 3012 left em therehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

caswallawn_2k7
10-28-2009, 08:11 AM
disturbed they actually did a lot of things that now would be a massive engineering project, that is a lot more advanced than the time, if you ever get to visit their structures at one point they actually have them positions so the sound will bounce off each one allowing one man to stand and make an announcement while a massive area can hear it so he can address large crowds.

while they didn't have any technology in our sense of the word they could do a lot that cant be explained for the time period.

mikeh1294
10-28-2009, 08:11 AM
Time travel.... hm... could work...

The achievement for finding all of Subject 16's videos shows Ezio, so maybe he leared how to time travel?

El_Sjietah
10-28-2009, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Advanced Mayan technology would be silly. Those guys were running around in loin cloth, clubbing each other in a coma with crude weapons
yet they made a structure that can tell you the day, month, year and time down to the second as accurately as NASA's atomic clock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
But they didn't use metallurgy(sp?). The piece of Eden from ACI deffinately had a housing of some sort of metal.

Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
disturbed they actually did a lot of things that now would be a massive engineering project, that is a lot more advanced than the time, if you ever get to visit their structures at one point they actually have them positions so the sound will bounce off each one allowing one man to stand and make an announcement while a massive area can hear it so he can address large crowds.

Ancient Greece did this as well. Ever been to one of the left over ambitheatres of that time? Same thing. Not saying it isn't an incredible feat, but it's not just limitted to Mayas.

Originally posted by mikini:
Time travel.... hm... could work...

The achievement for finding all of Subject 16's videos shows Ezio, so maybe he leared how to time travel?
Those videos are probably stored somewhere in the Abstergo facility. Makes more sense than time travel.

mikeh1294
10-28-2009, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Advanced Mayan technology would be silly. Those guys were running around in loin cloth, clubbing each other in a coma with crude weapons
yet they made a structure that can tell you the day, month, year and time down to the second as accurately as NASA's atomic clock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
But they didn't use metallurgy(sp?). The piece of Eden from ACI deffinately had a housing of some sort of metal.

The housing could have been made afterwards.


Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
disturbed they actually did a lot of things that now would be a massive engineering project, that is a lot more advanced than the time, if you ever get to visit their structures at one point they actually have them positions so the sound will bounce off each one allowing one man to stand and make an announcement while a massive area can hear it so he can address large crowds.

Ancient Greece did this as well. Ever been to one of the left over ambitheatres of that time? Same thing. Not saying it isn't an incredible feat, but it's not just limitted to Mayas.

Originally posted by mikini:
Time travel.... hm... could work...

The achievement for finding all of Subject 16's videos shows Ezio, so maybe he leared how to time travel?
Those videos are probably stored somewhere in the Abstergo facility. Makes more sense than time travel.

1) You aren't in Abstergo anymore.
2) Then how come it's a picture of Ezio?

EDIT: Ignore my second point, the site with the achievements on has now switched all of the pics around :@ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

El_Sjietah
10-28-2009, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by mikini:


1) You aren't in Abstergo anymore.


You are at the start of ACII http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And that housing thing is plausible. Although it seemed to me that all that's in it is some sort of energy. Besides, they plucked that thing fresh out of the tombs beneath Jerusalem. Must've been laying there hundreds of years before ACI took place. It doesn't sound believable to me someone in the first millenium AC managed to craft that with the knowledge of metallurgy that was available at that time.

mikeh1294
10-28-2009, 10:48 AM
I suppose, but 16 videos inside of 30 minutes?

But it has a cross on it. So the church must have been involved somewhere. And it looks like copper or bronze, which one one of the first metals to be worked.

El_Sjietah
10-28-2009, 10:53 AM
Are you talking about the cup or the piece of eden itself? Cause I agree on the cup, that was probably crafted somewhere mid 1st millenium. It's the thing itself that bugs me.

mikeh1294
10-28-2009, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
Are you talking about the cup or the piece of eden itself? Cause I agree on the cup, that was probably crafted somewhere mid 1st millenium. It's the thing itself that bugs me.

You said the housing, by which I assumed you were talking about the thing that holds the piece of Eden.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie..../images/d/d5/POE.jpg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/d/d5/POE.jpg)

From that picture I can see what you mean about the piece of Eden itself. It does look... futuristic.


A thought that's just hit me is: Maybe the world doesn't end on 12/12/2012. Maybe when Abstergo try to control everyone they screw up and the piece somehow gets transported back in time? Just looking at the design of it makes me think of Abstergo

NuclearFuss
10-28-2009, 11:22 AM
If you read one of the e-mails, it mentions the Philadelphia Experiment, where in the 1950's a ship momentarily disappeared from radar and view, and the crew were fused to the bulkhead or went insane. People think they travelled in time, so maybe that's where the Piece of Eden came from.

El_Sjietah
10-28-2009, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by mikini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
Are you talking about the cup or the piece of eden itself? Cause I agree on the cup, that was probably crafted somewhere mid 1st millenium. It's the thing itself that bugs me.

You said the housing, by which I assumed you were talking about the thing that holds the piece of Eden.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie..../images/d/d5/POE.jpg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/d/d5/POE.jpg)

From that picture I can see what you mean about the piece of Eden itself. It does look... futuristic.


A thought that's just hit me is: Maybe the world doesn't end on 12/12/2012. Maybe when Abstergo try to control everyone they screw up and the piece somehow gets transported back in time? Just looking at the design of it makes me think of Abstergo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So the piece they find in ACI is the piece they rediscover in 2012, which then gets sent back and time and is discovered again in the 12th century, which is the same piece they rediscover in 2012, which then gets sent back in time again etc, etc...? That sounds awefully paradoxal http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Someone must've made it at some point.

And yeh, I wasn't very clear on that housing part. Sorry about that.

mikeh1294
10-28-2009, 11:47 AM
God only knows. But I think it is something to do with it's time travel capabilities.

shingi_70
10-28-2009, 11:53 AM
I domt think it could be mayan or roman. The Piece had a digtal readout of where all the other pieces.

mikeh1294
10-28-2009, 12:05 PM
Here, just made a map of all of the Pieces of Eden and what countries they are in. In some locations it is not to clear, so I have put down a couple.

Key
1) Scotland
2) South England
3) France/Spain
4) West coast of Africa (Could be Canary Islands or just off Cape Verde)
5) Morocco
5) Sierra Leone or Guinea
7) Mali or Niger
8) Kenya or Tanzania
9) Egypt
10) Iraq, Jordan Or Saudi Arabia
11) Romania or Ukraine
12) Ukraine or Russia
13) Russia
14) Iran
15) India

Map
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/mikeh21_2006/mapofPoE.png

shingi_70
10-28-2009, 12:10 PM
Even if the templars use the piece some people may be able to withstand thier influcence right. I mean Altiar and those other assassians were able too. Also i wonder if all are shaped like a sphere?

NuclearFuss
10-28-2009, 12:10 PM
I knew there was no Italy when I played the first game. Doesn't really make sense. Probably Ubi decided on the sequel after the first game was finished and didn't take that into account.

shingi_70
10-28-2009, 12:13 PM
Well i guess that since the New Assassians dont have that much time they go straight to a random memory trying to find a way to stop the templars. On that note this will most likely explain how the Assassians lost power and why they are livingn in small communties instead of fighting back now.

El_Sjietah
10-28-2009, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by sackboy411:
I knew there was no Italy when I played the first game. Doesn't really make sense. Probably Ubi decided on the sequel after the first game was finished and didn't take that into account.

Just because there is none now, doesn't mean there never was http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CoJ_Fan_87
10-28-2009, 02:41 PM
Thanks for all the feedback, guys.

SBRedFlag
10-28-2009, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by shingi_70:
Well i guess that since the New Assassians dont have that much time they go straight to a random memory trying to find a way to stop the templars. On that note this will most likely explain how the Assassians lost power and why they are livingn in small communties instead of fighting back now.
They relive Ezio's mmory in the hope that the bleeding effect will impart desmond with Assassin skills.

EmperorxZurg
10-28-2009, 04:04 PM
@mikini: then think about this, Italy wasn't on that map, so the devs aren't going by that

pdw92
10-28-2009, 05:06 PM
Map
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/mikeh21_2006/mapofPoE.png

Is it me or are there modern borders on that map?
Someone should find the side from North America so we can tell if State borders are on there.

GkrewZ
10-28-2009, 05:07 PM
It looks like modern borders to me...hmmm IT CAME FROM THE FUTURE!!! lol.

godsmack_darius
10-28-2009, 08:33 PM
Well, I read online somewhere that it was made by "Those who came before" Sounds pretty old, Like aztecs? Atlantes? Mayens? Eygyptions? Their are facts of advanced Technology, and barly any :non-advanced technology.

Azugo
10-28-2009, 09:03 PM
One of those numbers are in Alice Springs in Australia. o_O

Haahha! 250th post! More than I thought I'd ever get... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Airadan
10-28-2009, 09:44 PM
I think it will most likely have something to do with time travel.(probs going to screw with our heads http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif hehe)

No one has taken into account that it could be religious like from god or some crap like that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

But knowing Ubi its going to have some crazy twist!!

eZpiri2
10-28-2009, 10:22 PM
Perhaps it was put there by an all powerful force. Perhaps...the force of God? Well maybe long ago, people could of seen it as an object of God. So since they saw it as God, they themselves, hypnotized themselves into it. As time passed, the Pieces could of somehow evolved throughout the age. What killed the Dinosaurs could of altered the pieces. Nuclear wars could of made them more powerful.

Well, since I absolutely know this is not why, It's just a guess put in by me

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 02:59 AM
Well all of the borders of Africa that the major European powers drew up are there. So it was made after Altair's time.

CoJ_Fan_87
10-29-2009, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by mikini:
Well all of the borders of Africa that the major European powers drew up are there. So it was made after Altair's time.

Good point.

kakashi560
10-29-2009, 05:04 AM
the devs could have made a mistake by puting borders especially if they were using a modern map to develop the arc of the covenant map

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 05:08 AM
Hmm... I doubt that they would make a big oversight like that. It throws everything off.

At least we know one thing. The Assassins aren't looking for a piece of Eden, as there are none in Italy, the closest one being in France/Spain.

Xanatos2007
10-29-2009, 05:08 AM
Managed to get a screenshot of the inactive POE, if it's any use:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7873/scr2m.jpg
Altair said "it's no larger than an apple"... I wonder what they water their orchards with, I havn't seen apples that big.

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 05:10 AM
Thanks, as you can see, the pattern looks slightly futuristic, so I doubt the Mayans made it/

OniLinkSword
10-29-2009, 06:18 AM
Time travel? It works in Star Trek because of all the awesome tech and the distant future, but AC? That might be a bit too sci-fi.

That map is the modern map. Oopsie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by OniLinkSword:
Time travel? It works in Star Trek because of all the awesome tech and the distant future, but AC? That might be a bit too sci-fi.

That map is the modern map. Oopsie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Have you read the e-mails at Abstergo? Apparently they used a piece of Eden and the ship (forgotten it's name now) went forward in time for 18 minutes, so it's possible within the game.

Xm3buX
10-29-2009, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by mikini:
Hmm... I doubt that they would make a big oversight like that. It throws everything off.

At least we know one thing. The Assassins aren't looking for a piece of Eden, as there are none in Italy, the closest one being in France/Spain.

Spoiler:

You go into the animus this time to train Desmond.

kakashi560
10-29-2009, 06:46 AM
You go into the animus this time to train Desmond.
thats what i said in another thread

godsmack_darius
10-29-2009, 07:00 AM
Well, The Mayens didnt have to create it, they could have just found it,

Or maybe the Annunaki could have made it...Now that would be some crazy stuff right their http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 07:04 AM
I'm currently doing some coursework for English, so could someone play Ac for me and try to grab a picture of the other side of the hologram from the piece of Eden so I can do the countries for that?

Somethings bugging me and I'm not quite sure what t is, if I get a map of the Americas I think it will sort itself out...

kakashi560
10-29-2009, 07:10 AM
the game wont let you walk over that far...

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 07:12 AM
Doesn't it spin? Or am I imaging that?

kakashi560
10-29-2009, 07:21 AM
idk i would try but last night i was playing a new game and kinda saved over my file but i will search you tube and other places to see if i can find anything

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by kakashi560:
idk i would try but last night i was playing a new game and kinda saved over my file but i will search you tube and other places to see if i can find anything

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I will try to replay my game when I have done this essay, so it won't be anytime soon! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

caswallawn_2k7
10-29-2009, 07:26 AM
the lack of America could be done for a reason, it wasn't till after the time of the game that the Americas were really discovered, so even assuming the artefact came from the future it is possible they put a time lock on it so as not to give away locations that didn't exist yet (to stop changing history too much)

another theory that would go with the time line is that the templars know they need the artefacts to solve a problem so they are looking for them to solve the problem, it is also possible if they have worked on some time travel that they could be the people who eventually make them and send them back. but to avoid any1 knowing they are from the future they have to send them even further back so their origin cant be traced.

or we could go with the other plot line that they are magic and put there by some greater being.

kakashi560
10-29-2009, 07:27 AM
not a pic or video but an article that explains a bit about places of america being lit up. i will continue to search

http://randomchris.livejournal.com/323705.html

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
the lack of America could be done for a reason, it wasn't till after the time of the game that the Americas were really discovered, so even assuming the artefact came from the future it is possible they put a time lock on it so as not to give away locations that didn't exist yet (to stop changing history too much)

You mean like modern day countries and borders? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And thanks for the help kakashi560!

caswallawn_2k7
10-29-2009, 07:36 AM
You mean like modern day countries and borders?
they would mean nothing to the people seeing it. were new continents would stand out more.

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 07:40 AM
I'm not entirely convinced that Altair knew about Russia, the UK, or some other places either.

And according to the article kakashi560 posted, the game does show the Americas.

kakashi560
10-29-2009, 07:40 AM
there are spots on the americas that are lit up watch vid around 9:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...1766F93DC590&index=9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8WEQ8y_WqY&feature=PlayList&p=8F8D1766F93DC590&index=9)

OniLinkSword
10-29-2009, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by mikini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OniLinkSword:
Time travel? It works in Star Trek because of all the awesome tech and the distant future, but AC? That might be a bit too sci-fi.

That map is the modern map. Oopsie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Have you read the e-mails at Abstergo? Apparently they used a piece of Eden and the ship (forgotten it's name now) went forward in time for 18 minutes, so it's possible within the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I remember that ship and email. It still isn't going back in time... We are talking about big differences here. I just think that it would be a bit odd. It also still doesn't explain where the power came from.

caswallawn_2k7
10-29-2009, 07:55 AM
I'm not entirely convinced that Altair knew about Russia, the UK, or some other places either.
despite the English being one of the main forces in the crusades? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

the year 1191. note the battles in Acre. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1191)

mikeh1294
10-29-2009, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm not entirely convinced that Altair knew about Russia, the UK, or some other places either.
despite the English being one of the main forces in the crusades? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

the year 1191. note the battles in Acre. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1191) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoops, forgot about that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Anyway, I have some low quality pics of the Americas from that video, I'm just gonna get some high quality ones now.

CoJ_Fan_87
10-29-2009, 09:23 PM
Thanks for all the feedback, guys.

Continue the speculation. This thread must not die until we know the truth.

X10J
10-29-2009, 10:30 PM
In an e-mail it says that time travel is against Abstergo policey so maybe not time travel.

also: The locations on the us east coast are interesting. I saw this speacial on the history channel about the templars travrling to the us in the 13 hundreds. And one of those locations, i believe, is where they left the kensington stone elgidly.

also also: the PoEs are Holy-Hand-Grenades http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EmperorxZurg
10-29-2009, 10:39 PM
lol, y would Abstergo have a code saying "time travel is strictly forbidden!" and about the History Channel one, it was complete bull, every point they said wasn't true. it disgraced anyone who has studied Templars. All History Channel is obssessed now with is the conspiracies and all that crap

Xanatos2007
10-29-2009, 10:49 PM
You seem to be defending the Templars a lot, this means only one thing...

Quick! Fetch me that Piece of Eden of Antioch and consult the Book of Armaments! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk)

X10J
10-29-2009, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
lol, y would Abstergo have a code saying "time travel is strictly forbidden!" and about the History Channel one, it was complete bull, every point they said wasn't true. it disgraced anyone who has studied Templars. All History Channel is obssessed now with is the conspiracies and all that crap You seem abit agressive. I didn't mean to offend.

Its in the conferance room email.

I said elgidly. I didn't say it was true. I only brought it up as a referance Ubi may mention in the future. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


You seem to be defending the Templars a lot, this means only one thing...

Quick! Fetch me that Piece of Eden of Antioch and consult the Book of Armaments! sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

EmperorxZurg
10-29-2009, 11:37 PM
no, I'm not offended lol, it just made me lol a bit like if they hired a new employee and in their contract it says, "if you are caught time-traveling, you agree for Abstergo to provide punishment and fire you" Hired dude: "ah, crap, there goes my plans of brining my portable time traveler" lol stuff like this just makes me think weird scenes lol.
@ Xan: You may have the holy hand grenade, but I have ROBIN HOOD! master of wit and battle! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OsRePNS4pk)

X10J
10-29-2009, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
no, I'm not offended lol, it just made me lol a bit like if they hired a new employee and in their contract it says, "if you are caught time-traveling, you agree for Abstergo to provide punishment and fire you" Hired dude: "ah, crap, there goes my plans of brining my portable time traveler" lol stuff like this just makes me think weird scenes lol.
@ Xan: You may have the holy hand grenade, but I have ROBIN HOOD! master of wit and battle! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OsRePNS4pk) i know it was evan more hilarious because the email was all serius http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

also you might have ROBIN HOOD! master of wit and battle! but i have my killer bunny of awesome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg)

Xanatos2007
10-30-2009, 01:17 AM
But I have Ezio on my side. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs50/f/2009/301/5/e/Clear_the_Way_by_satrkiller1991.jpg

kakashi560
10-30-2009, 01:25 AM
having Ezio you obviously win lol

kitkat99993333
10-30-2009, 10:00 AM
In the game Vidic says the pieces of eden are left from those who were here before us? Aliens maybe or Advance civilisations. Also at the end of AC1 it says that some of the pieces of eden are in land masses that dont excist any more Atlantis sort of thing maybe? Also on the map of the pieces of eden there is none in italy? maybe they chose italy late but oh meh.
Just some info as i just replayed AC1

caswallawn_2k7
10-30-2009, 10:10 AM
Also on the map of the pieces of eden there is none in italy
because in AC2 they aint looking for a piece of Eden.

kitkat99993333
10-30-2009, 10:11 AM
and what proof do you have?

mikeh1294
10-30-2009, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by kitkat99993333:
and what proof do you have?

It was in an interview I'm sure, they said that the Assassins put Desmond back in the Animus to train him using the bleeding effect.

kitkat99993333
10-30-2009, 10:30 AM
I guess that would make sense a bit so desmond becomes super strong and kills all templars in modern day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

caswallawn_2k7
10-30-2009, 10:52 AM
they have actually said quite a few times even before saying it was to train desmond that their reasons for using the animus were different to the original game.

mikeh1294
10-30-2009, 12:59 PM
Does Al Mualim call it the "Piece of Eden"? Or does he just use it once and say that's what some people call it?

El_Sjietah
10-30-2009, 01:04 PM
I think he actually calls it the piece of eden. Replayed ACI last week, so I'm quite positive on this.

mikeh1294
10-30-2009, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
I think he actually calls it the piece of eden. Replayed ACI last week, so I'm quite positive on this.

OK, I just thought he said something along the lines of "This is temptation given form, this, this piece of Eden (Talks about the miracles it has done)"

I thought he was searching for a proper name and just decided to call it that.

El_Sjietah
10-30-2009, 01:09 PM
Hmm, could be that as well. Might replay that scene later this night.

Charlie_Romeo
10-30-2009, 01:38 PM
i know nothing but i like guessing.
Im guessing that the earth goes in cycles (for the game). Mayans "predicted" the end of the world. I think that maybe this could be a nth cycle ('n' being a number). So the "people" before this cycle coud have been very advanced and created these things to use to controll things like wild animals ect so they didnt do any harm ect. Then when their cycle ended the earth wore away ect leaving nothing except the peaces of eden.

CoJ_Fan_87
10-30-2009, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Charlie_Romeo:
i know nothing but i like guessing.
Im guessing that the earth goes in cycles (for the game). Mayans "predicted" the end of the world. I think that maybe this could be a nth cycle ('n' being a number). So the "people" before this cycle coud have been very advanced and created these things to use to controll things like wild animals ect so they didnt do any harm ect. Then when their cycle ended the earth wore away ect leaving nothing except the peaces of eden.

The theory of cyclic history is my best guess as well.

El_Sjietah
10-30-2009, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by mikini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
I think he actually calls it the piece of eden. Replayed ACI last week, so I'm quite positive on this.

OK, I just thought he said something along the lines of "This is temptation given form, this, this piece of Eden (Talks about the miracles it has done)"

I thought he was searching for a proper name and just decided to call it that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Al Mualim generally refers to the thing as The Piece of Eden after their first conversation about, although he adds other names to it just before you slap him silly.
"This templar treasure, this piece of Eden, this word of God."
So I guess you're right, it's just one of the names it goes by, no one knows what it really is.

mikeh1294
10-31-2009, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mikini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
I think he actually calls it the piece of eden. Replayed ACI last week, so I'm quite positive on this.

OK, I just thought he said something along the lines of "This is temptation given form, this, this piece of Eden (Talks about the miracles it has done)"

I thought he was searching for a proper name and just decided to call it that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Al Mualim generally refers to the thing as The Piece of Eden after their first conversation about, although he adds other names to it just before you slap him silly.
"This templar treasure, this piece of Eden, this word of God."
So I guess you're right, it's just one of the names it goes by, no one knows what it really is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So, we know its name is always related to God then...
And if we are to believe Al Mualim, Adam and Eve were real, and the piece of Eden was around then. Hm...

caswallawn_2k7
10-31-2009, 05:58 AM
And if we are to believe Al Mualim, Adam and Eve were real, and the piece of Eden was around then. Hm...
if you believe that they are true you would have to believe all the pieces were together at that point in time.

mikeh1294
10-31-2009, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if we are to believe Al Mualim, Adam and Eve were real, and the piece of Eden was around then. Hm...
if you believe that they are true you would have to believe all the pieces were together at that point in time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We definitely know they were around 2000 years ago, as the stuff about Jesus fits in with it. So I am sticking with the time travel theory.

El_Sjietah
10-31-2009, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if we are to believe Al Mualim, Adam and Eve were real, and the piece of Eden was around then. Hm...
if you believe that they are true you would have to believe all the pieces were together at that point in time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, according to the bible, they did only take one "apple" from an entire "tree".

And if I let my fantasy go rampant, said tree could've been a storage device by the ones that came before. When Eve tried to take one of the pieces, she triggered an anti-theft mechanism, which screwed up the entire area they were held in (Eden) and scattered the pieces all over the world somehow.

Of course this is just pure speculation.

mikeh1294
10-31-2009, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if we are to believe Al Mualim, Adam and Eve were real, and the piece of Eden was around then. Hm...
if you believe that they are true you would have to believe all the pieces were together at that point in time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, according to the bible, they did only take one "apple" from an entire "tree".

And if I let my fantasy go rampant, said tree could've been a storage device by the ones that came before. When Eve tried to take one of the pieces, she triggered an anti-theft mechanism, which screwed up the entire area they were held in (Eden) and scattered the pieces all over the world somehow.

Of course this is just pure speculation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, goot theory, but I think they should have just put some vandal paint on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif You know the black tar that dyes yours clothes? That would be better than throwing the pieces of Eden everywhere!

El_Sjietah
10-31-2009, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by mikini:

Lol, goot theory, but I think they should have just put some vandal paint on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif You know the black tar that dyes yours clothes? That would be better than throwing the pieces of Eden everywhere!

Meh, maybe they liked the dramatic effect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Impulsez
10-31-2009, 08:53 AM
Heres some random twists that could happen:

1 - Desmond might be been played on a decendent... like a future Assassin uses the Animus .... i dunno 3.0 to relive his ancestor (Desmond) who happens to also use a Animus LOL i dunno random idea...

2 - A Future Assassin using the animus to relive a Ancestor accidently uses a anti blood effect so instead of him/she gaining skills form a past assassin or something the past is changed using the butterfly effect (above bed in Ac I eagle vision). And he takes in a peice of eden that was created way after Desmonds time but because he went back in time in the Animus it was placed in the past and maybe since theres lots of peices a bunch of assassins split it up all over the world so the Future Templars couldn't find it LOL

com199
10-31-2009, 09:45 AM
Ok... So heres an idea. Maybe, in one of the future games, you play as on of the people who came before, and use a piece of eden to control Desmond?

mikeh1294
10-31-2009, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by com199:
Ok... So heres an idea. Maybe, in one of the future games, you play as on of the people who came before, and use a piece of eden to control Desmond?

The writers must have been high to think up that. It's a good twist, but I bet many people would be like WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Angelo_di_Rios
10-31-2009, 11:06 AM
The mayans sound about right...

I don't know about the alien thing but a lot of weird **** was written and made by many ancient civilizations so.. we really wont know anything until this story ark concludes.

starkiller212
11-01-2009, 07:07 AM
Remember how Al Mualim says that the Piece of Eden is temptation itself (or something to that effect)? I always thought that it created illusions to control people by using their temptations, as in it shows them 'what they want to see' sort of. I know it's complicated, so it's probably something different, but if that was the case...

What if the Templars themselves have been deceived by the artifact(s) and somehow furthering the plans of whoever came before? They believe they are using the artifacts to eliminate free will and gain power over all other humans, but what if another entity is manipulating them through the Pieces of Eden to control humanity?

I'm pretty sure that the Piece of Eden was not made by any humans (as we know them anyway), and that the Templars themselves are all too human. Who's to say they aren't just as susceptible to the 'temptation' as anyone else?

rockdrummer2809
11-18-2009, 08:24 AM
Just something really weird incase anyone was wondering. Apparently the whole purpose for the Pieces of Eden at the end of AC2 is to prevent a an apocolyptic event on a cosmic scale similar to what might be proposed for 2012. I dont necessarly believe in that, but looked it up and you know what the last name of the lead scientist supporting 2012 is? Eden.

moe_719
02-17-2010, 12:07 PM
ok thats kreepy i belive that there is a piece of edoen and iv acually seen picutrues of people like kings holdind the peice i hope there isnt a apocoliptic end to the world but i do hope that there is a way to stop it if there is

SteelCity999
02-18-2010, 02:08 PM
I would think that there was prbably a piece of Eden in each large city of those who cam before. The Adam and Eve stole one of them which created the war some have speculated had happened. The pieces are scattered due to that war and just population control in general. I would not think one piece of Eden could control the entire world. They seem to infer that each major player in history had a piece of eden which helped them obtain power in the their respective parts of the world - if it controlled the whole world they would have succeeded in controlling the whole world. So these pieces of Eden were in each city to control that city and keep the order. As they started to disappear, those that came before got preoccupied with regaining them and therefore did not see the apocolypse coming....The idea of launching a piece of eden into orbit would support a theory that as the piece of eden travels around the world it affects all those underneath it.

archyle
03-23-2010, 11:54 AM
The peices of eden are the writer's interpretation of the artifacts of the Star of Sirius. This is known in occult writings as the Stone of Destiny, the very same stone which is considered the philosphers stone. Apparently there were several artifacts that were imbued with the power of the Stone of Destiny inlcuding but not limited to, the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Thrice Great (considered a nomer for Enoch), The Pillow of Jacob, the Missing Capstone of the Great Pyramid. The Templer Holy Grail, and the Spear of Destiny. The last known wherabouts of a piece of the Stone of Destiny is thought to be placed in the cornerstone of the Master Building in New York City, according to authors such as Henry Pike, and Manly P. Hall, Esoteric authors and Masons who wrote some interesting philosophical treatise on the true matter of divinity, which are based on conversations with Lucifer or his agents. I do not believe this, I believe that the Messiah is the very same Yeshua mentioned in the writings of Simon Peter and Paul the Pharisee. But that is where the writers of assassin's creed most likely got thier inspiration for this new age take on the occult

archyle
03-23-2010, 12:11 PM
it is also referred to as the Chintamani stone in Eastern Esoteric lore and is mentioend in the letters of former vice president and Mason Henrey Warren who was the person who proposed the current united states currency pattersn for the $1 bill. Nichloas Roerich, a Russian Mystic is the last person to have been rumored to have possession of it, having given a piece to the league of nations at its inception, and who is said to have placed it in the cornerstone of the Master Building in New York in 1929, a ceremony that was attended by hundreds of world leaders including FDR, a building built in his honor by master masons.It is also said that part of this Stone of Destiny, as it is referred to in the writings of various occultists including Henry Warren, was placed in the Kaabah stone that is sacred to the Muslim faith. All of these connections to the said Stone of Destiny, based on the various puzzles in game of assassins creed in the section "the truth" lead me to the conclusion that Assassin's Creed series is based on the Esoteric and Occult belief in the Stone of Destiny and its many pieces or..Transmutations...it is conjecture based on the writings of these occultists and former defected members of various secret societies that point to an actual Cabal set in motion by the Eastern Star, the Dog Star, or Sirius...

archyle
03-23-2010, 12:13 PM
also known as the "Fallen" Star or the "Blazing" Star...

goldenarm009
03-23-2010, 12:31 PM
This should help, I'll repost Xios1986's thoughts as it made an awful lot of sense to me at the time and I'm convinced is the direction the series is taking. Really amazing stuff.




Right, i'll try and explain the whole thing the way i see it as best i can.

Its a well established Chinese theory that there was once an ancient civilization, highly technologically advanced and more evolved than the present day humans, living a LONG LONG LONG LONG time ago, pre-dating like pre pre pre pre history... you get the picture...

It appears Assassins creed has taken on this theory as its central plot line. Here are my thoughts:

Long before our current state of being there was a time when another race flourished on the earth. This race was highly evolved in comparison to us. you could even say the course of their evolution was more 'complete' than us, in so much as they simply were able to become 'better' than we will ever be able to. Due, in part to the fact we as a species were made by them, so the state of humanity is a distorted imitation of beings we were designed on, It makes allot of sense in respect to our fractured, far from perfect nature as a species.

I think this race (i shall refer to as the 'proto-beings') had a pretty similar course of history to us in many respects, they evolved, through a long time to a point of supreme technological advancement and mental/physical development. Time is relative, advancement as a species is also relative, to us they were highly evolved, purely because we aren't as 'far along' as they got. or possibly because our perception of them is always going to be inferior as we are, by nature, inferior to them.

Eventually they got to a point of technology they could create life, engineer genetics and whatnot, and thus they created a society of beings to do the work they had been doing themselves for so long, (i think humans would do very much the same if we had the opportunity... a practical solution to allot of lifes needs, a synthetically created slave race with a system of mental control as an integral part of the initial design) They designed us very like them as they saw themselves as the most fitting framework to build beings over that could accomplish daily tasks and build and serve e.t.c. (try getting a donkey to build a house...)

Part of the design of this slave race was a system of control, because they understood that any living thing would not like to be a slave, so to solve this (and possibly a moral choice on part of them) they created a system of mental control as part of the design when 'drafting' how to make the slave race, to simply blind their creation (us) from the truth, keeping us in a state of mental illusion. (We can only imagine how far reaching and complete the effects of a willful manipulation of perception of reality will be like to experience)

When designing the race on themselves, it appears they very well may have inadvertantly also distilled in the slave race their (the proto-beings) need from freedom of individuality of choice e.t.c, possibly this is just a natural aspect of sentience they forsaw as an issue in their creation when in the context of them creating a slave race. The natural desire for freedom, anyway.

Part of the design was a system of control, so the Pieces of eden were made along with the slave race, a sembyosis. We as the slave race have in us as part of our very design neuro-transmiters created specifically to be manipulated by the force emited by the pieces of eden (as hinted on in one of the files unlocked in one of the puzzle glyphs), and consequently, the pieces of eden were designed and built specifically to effect that neurotransmitter in us, inorder to control us. As i said, a sembyosis.

This is why the pieces of eden have such an effect over us, it is a specific deliberate relationship between us (humans, the slave race) and the pieces of eden, alone.
The pieces of Eden are advanced 'tools' of technology designed specifically to effect (arguably) every aspect of our being, physically and mentally, en-mass and individually, as we are both (us and the PoEs) two mutual ends of a synthetic creation designed for a specific purpose.

Time went on in this ancient Civilization and for a time everything was ok, we as the slave race worked away blissfully unaware of the truth of our reality, kept indefinately inside a mental prison kept in place by the pieces of eden...

for this was our purpose, the very reason of our creation.

yet the proto-beings made us to much like them and for some reason something changed, unhappiness in us began.
Wether it was cross breeding between the proto beings and humans, or basic evolution.. who knows. What IS known, it seems, as at some point the effect of the pieces of eden seemed to weaken. Now the 'ins and outs' of why where and how and how widespread in regards to this point is easily a long discussion of its own so i will stick to what is known.

a man and a woman of the slave race named Adam and Eve, for whatever reason, knew to some degree that they and their race were being controlled by these pieces of eden, they found themselves, for an amount of time, outside of this mental control.

So they took it upon themselves to revolt against their masters and succeeded in stealing a piece of eden. Now if we are going on established religion as an acurate metaphor, Eve stole the apple from the tree of knowledge (think about the relative metophorical connotations of this statement in relation to the current subject). This caused our entire race to fall from this state of ignorant bliss, to wake up from the mind prison. (to fall from grace)

This created a war, as mentioned by minerva in the end scene. the slave race rose up against the proto-beings after having awakened to the truth of their situation. The slave race either left, or were banished from Eden, the civilized area the proto-beings lived. (man was banished from the gardens of eden).

The war raged, and both the proto-beings and mankind were so busy on eachother a solar flare was not noticed and it hit the earth burning everything to a crisp. very very few survived.

Now it is possible that Adam and eve having the piece of eden heavily influenced the fact they survived the catastrophy, that is protected them somehow, and thus began a new tree of evolution that leads to the present day mankind. (hence the legend of Adam and Eve in established belief)

Ovre time history turned into legend turned into myth and eventually became all but forgotten, twisted and distorted through various political means and the artefacts' (which survived the catastrophy) true purpose was lost. And because we are a species intimately linked with being controlled and manipulated, it grew naturally from us as time went by, and a branch of us became the templars, hell bent on finding these pieces of eden to control and gain power over us all.

It is also possible that a chain of events took place, a long standing prophesy right from the beginning. If you choose to believe that Adam and eve are half human half proto-being (supporting the fact they seem to be imune form the effects of the pieces of eden), and take into account that Subject 16 is a direct descendent of Adam or Eve, and an assassins (this would explain why the assassins have increased agility and certain powers like eagle vision). It is possible that the cross breeding 'had' to have happened, the uprising 'had' to have happened as Eve and Adam HAD to get the apple to survive inorder to be the begining of a line of assassins that reaches up to the present day, through Altair to leave codexes for Ezio for Desmond to experience through him while hooked into the Animus, for Minerva to speak to Desmond through Ezio. Time is relative. Its a chain of events, everything having to be in its place... like a tapestry across time.

Inorder for Minerva to get the message to Desmond that a new catastrophy is coming (solar flare) and this chain of events has put Desmond exactly where he needs to be with the abilities he needs, due to his lineage, inorder to accomplish his task, to find all the pieces of eden and use them to protect the planet from the coming solar flare.

ok... i'm done.

TheDarkKnigg1
03-23-2010, 05:10 PM
^That above post is amazing.

I really like the theory of how the Assassin's could be "half" "proto being." That would explain how they are 1337 to normal humans.

But it's like a HUGE time-line that's already written, and the "proto beings" already know what is going to happen/"they've read it". How else would Minerva make that hologram thingy and know that Desmond will see it at that point in time (2012)?

danjc1989
03-31-2010, 03:11 PM
Interesting

Cornik22
03-31-2010, 06:16 PM
Who let Corey May post in this thread as "Goldenarm009"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Now I see some connections between AC and Dragon ball. Maybe when Desmond gets all te pieces together those who came before appear and grant him a wish, so he wish to know the real history of mankind, only to discover the shocking truth: he is Eve. The end.

BK-110
03-31-2010, 07:14 PM
It's very plausible that Adam and Eve were the result of a cross between "Those Who Came Before" and humans. This quote only makes it sound even more likely:

"The seeds were planted as two worlds became one. Behold, the Assassins, the children of two worlds!"

El_Sjietah
03-31-2010, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Cornik22:
Who let Corey May post in this thread as "Goldenarm009"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Now I see some connections between AC and Dragon ball. Maybe when Desmond gets all te pieces together those who came before appear and grant him a wish, so he wish to know the real history of mankind, only to discover the shocking truth: he is Eve. The end.

He has to make a wish to bring someone back to life. Know your Dragonball!


Originally posted by BK-110:
It's very plausible that Adam and Eve were the result of a cross between "Those Who Came Before" and humans. This quote only makes it sound even more likely:

"The seeds were planted as two worlds became one. Behold, the Assassins, the children of two worlds!"

I'd go as far as saying that line proves it. Sure, it isn't spelled out for you, but everything points at it.

Riiku2
03-31-2010, 10:35 PM
My theory is ala matrix.

Alot of ppl in the future sitting in their animuses, and have a joint dream as to say, like in matrix. While Desmond thinks that he is in real world, from witch he eters animus, he actually entering animus while being inside another animus. And that would explain apples and pieces of eden and stuff, because it's not even real. Or maybe it's just him who, for some reason, spending all his life inside animus.

Oh and dont get me serios

thejacob1987
03-31-2010, 11:31 PM
Adam and Eve stole the piece of eden from Atlantis. Bam.

UBOSOFT-Gamer
04-01-2010, 05:29 AM
this could be the piece of eden#

http://www.paukr.de/uploads/image/reichsapfel.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Albrecht_D%C3%BCrer_047.jpg/314px-Albrecht_D%C3%BCrer_047.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Albrecht_D%C3%BCrer_082.jpg/321px-Albrecht_D%C3%BCrer_082.jpg

NightmareGK13
04-01-2010, 05:38 PM
my art history teacher says those spheres represent the world dominated by Christianity (hence the cross) ubisoft took advantage obviously of the shape and make things look coincidentally

pretty awesome nevertheless

AeonGamer
04-02-2010, 05:54 AM
from what I Gathered from playing AC1 Adam and Eve were celestial travellers from a world not unlike our own but so highly technologically advanced that to quote another game "It would seem like magic"
They escape their dieing world because of geomagnetic shifts causing the world to perilously destroy itself. After arriving here and studying the culture their race and humanity at that point had it out in a war.
When all was said and done the remainder of both rebuilt civilization and discovered that the same could happen here that happened on their world. So thusly the Pieces of Eden were crafted in hopes that when they are needed they could be used to STOP the geomagnetic shift thus stopping the end of the world.

What exactly ARE the Pieces of Eden? Ancient Alien Technology crudely fashioned into relics of the past. Other than the Apple (the orb) the others are a bit more non-descript such as the head on the Papal Staff.

And don't shrug off your ancestors they were smarter than we give them credit for.
China's lineage especially with having working Oil Derricks millenia before we even had the concepts.
Leonardo Da Vinci came up with the concepts for three modern day vehicles Tanks, Helicopters, and Submarines.

Just because we live in an age of Semi Conductors and LEDs doesn't mean our ancestors weren't smart or smarter than we are.

ChizowX
04-02-2010, 11:58 AM
Didn't read the entire thread but Pieces of Eden seem to have a lot in common with the theme "Deus Ex Machina", the God Machine, which has been a means to reconcile religious and secular views through history. In modern times, its a very popular theme in sci-fi literature.

Isiloron
04-02-2010, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by ChizowX:
Didn't read the entire thread but Pieces of Eden seem to have a lot in common with the theme "Deus Ex Machina", the God Machine, which has been a means to reconcile religious and secular views through history. In modern times, its a very popular theme in sci-fi literature.

Just to clear things out. Deus ex machina is not a theme but a way for a storyteller/writer to turn the story's events to the main character's/s' favor, often in a very unlikely way. The name comes from old greek theaters where an actor playing a god will be lowered by a rope (with a machine) and set things right in the play.

ChizowX
04-02-2010, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Isiloron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ChizowX:
Didn't read the entire thread but Pieces of Eden seem to have a lot in common with the theme "Deus Ex Machina", the God Machine, which has been a means to reconcile religious and secular views through history. In modern times, its a very popular theme in sci-fi literature.

Just to clear things out. Deus ex machina is not a theme but a way for a storyteller/writer to turn the story's events to the main character's/s' favor, often in a very unlikely way. The name comes from old greek theaters where an actor playing a god will be lowered by a rope (with a machine) and set things right in the play. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep in literature its a plot mechanism, but in contemporary sci-fi its a common theme for reconciling religion and science. Some recent examples:

1) Mass Effect
2) Deus Ex (the game)
3) The Matrix
4) Donnie Darko
5) Assassin's Creed
6) Dead Space
7) Terminator

etc. etc.

Isiloron
04-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by ChizowX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Isiloron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ChizowX:
Didn't read the entire thread but Pieces of Eden seem to have a lot in common with the theme "Deus Ex Machina", the God Machine, which has been a means to reconcile religious and secular views through history. In modern times, its a very popular theme in sci-fi literature.

Just to clear things out. Deus ex machina is not a theme but a way for a storyteller/writer to turn the story's events to the main character's/s' favor, often in a very unlikely way. The name comes from old greek theaters where an actor playing a god will be lowered by a rope (with a machine) and set things right in the play. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep in literature its a plot mechanism, but in contemporary sci-fi its a common theme for reconciling religion and science. Some recent examples:

1) Mass Effect
2) Deus Ex (the game)
3) The Matrix
4) Donnie Darko
5) Assassin's Creed
6) Dead Space
7) Terminator

etc. etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've searched around the Internet but I can't find a concrete example of the term being used in that context except in the naming of episodes of TV series, characters, and titles of games.
I know what you're saying, but I am not totally convinced that "Deus Ex Machina" is a correct name for the theme. I can understand the literal meaning of the name in context to the machine and god allegory.

TheRealDABhand
04-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Isiloron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ChizowX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Isiloron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ChizowX:
Didn't read the entire thread but Pieces of Eden seem to have a lot in common with the theme "Deus Ex Machina", the God Machine, which has been a means to reconcile religious and secular views through history. In modern times, its a very popular theme in sci-fi literature.

Just to clear things out. Deus ex machina is not a theme but a way for a storyteller/writer to turn the story's events to the main character's/s' favor, often in a very unlikely way. The name comes from old greek theaters where an actor playing a god will be lowered by a rope (with a machine) and set things right in the play. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep in literature its a plot mechanism, but in contemporary sci-fi its a common theme for reconciling religion and science. Some recent examples:

1) Mass Effect
2) Deus Ex (the game)
3) The Matrix
4) Donnie Darko
5) Assassin's Creed
6) Dead Space
7) Terminator

etc. etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've searched around the Internet but I can't find a concrete example of the term being used in that context except in the naming of episodes of TV series, characters, and titles of games.
I know what you're saying, but I am not totally convinced that "Deus Ex Machina" is a correct name for the theme. I can understand the literal meaning of the name in context to the machine and god allegory. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Deus Ex Machina is a term used to describe books, movies and TV that uses a simplistic plot ending, often frowned upon by critics.

It was also the name of a movie back in the 90's.

hypavilion
04-02-2010, 04:54 PM
OK to sum all this UP THE PEICES OF EDEN WAS MADE BY GOD AND THEY WHERE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif IT CAN TEMPT ANYONE BECAUSE OF ITS AWESOMNESS GOD PUT INSIDE IT!!!! ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif AND ALSO ITS AN APPLE FRUIT FROM THE TREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif !FIN!

Isiloron
04-02-2010, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by hypavilion:
OK to sum all this UP THE PEICES OF EDEN WAS MADE BY GOD AND THEY WHERE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif IT CAN TEMPT ANYONE BECAUSE OF ITS AWESOMNESS GOD PUT INSIDE IT!!!! ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif AND ALSO ITS AN APPLE FRUIT FROM THE TREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif !FIN!

I think this sums this up pretty well. Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc)

Well this thread has derailed somewhat. Maybe we should stop here.

TheRealDABhand
05-01-2010, 07:17 PM
10) Iraq, Jordan Or Saudi Arabia

Map
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/mikeh21_2006/mapofPoE.png

10 is more likely to be Sumeria, where the Sumerian's once ruled. Lots of theories around aliens from that distant past.

Carvings found on walls depicted space craft like shapes (in rocket form) on some and how the people worshipped other beings.

IMHO.

JohnConnor2012
05-01-2010, 08:11 PM
The (historical) Assassins were destroyed by the Mongols about a century after the events of AC1. But the Templars suffered a bit of a reverse in 1314 too....

For those that have seen the Truth video, you really only have to decide who Those That Came Before really are to decide what the POE are. Given the odd technological recursions in the Codex pages, I'd say time travellers - but if they engineered the human race, they can hardly be human themselves, so that suggests (rather humanoid-looking) aliens too.

El_Sjietah
05-02-2010, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by JohnConnor2012:
The (historical) Assassins were destroyed by the Mongols about a century after the events of AC1. But the Templars suffered a bit of a reverse in 1314 too....

For those that have seen the Truth video, you really only have to decide who Those That Came Before really are to decide what the POE are. Given the odd technological recursions in the Codex pages, I'd say time travellers - but if they engineered the human race, they can hardly be human themselves, so that suggests (rather humanoid-looking) aliens too.

Why can't they simply be a civilisation older than anything we know about, who were more advanced than we are today?

Technology is lost all the time only to be rediscovered again centuries later. Take concrete or toilet paper for example. Both were around thousands of years ago, then forgotten about and rediscovered in the past 200 years.

To think we're the pinnacle of advancement is kind of arrogant.

TheDarkKnigg1
05-02-2010, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by JohnConnor2012:
The (historical) Assassins were destroyed by the Mongols about a century after the events of AC1. But the Templars suffered a bit of a reverse in 1314 too....

For those that have seen the Truth video, you really only have to decide who Those That Came Before really are to decide what the POE are. Given the odd technological recursions in the Codex pages, I'd say time travellers - but if they engineered the human race, they can hardly be human themselves, so that suggests (rather humanoid-looking) aliens too.

Post from another thread:

I just found out about THE oldest human civilization on Earth, the Sumerians (6000 years ago). This civilization wrote most of the Bible stories, used math, science etc... Point being they knew just as much stuff as we do today. They also said we (humans) came from being's called the "Annunaki," who came from another planet in our solar system. This planet is known as Nibiru, or Planet X. Apparently the Annunaki came to Earth to do some work. They genetically engineered some stuff and created humans as slaves.They created them to look exactly like themselves, same body, shape and insides. The only thing they changed was the way we use out brain. They only allowed us to use 10% of our full potential. I agree with this theory more than the "humans evolving from apes" theory. We don't look anything like homo-(habillis, erectus etc...) They all looked like monkeys, whereas we do not, well some ugly humans do :P So we couldn't have evolved from them.

Now i don't know what happened after we were created, or what the Annunaki did when they were done. BUT...
DOESN'T THIS RING A BELL?

Assassins Creed 2, "The Truth". "The Ones Who Came Before" were supposedly WAY more advanced than us and they created us as slaves.

Now the 2012 part. One of the many theories about December 21st 2012 is that "Planet X/Nibiru" is supposed to return to Earth or at least pass it by. Maybe the Annunaki have seen that we are basically destroying ourselves now and they are going to destroy us, thus ending human civilization in 2012.

I don't know if ANY of this is true on not, it's just theory. Some of it does make sense though. Assassin's Creed is definatley getting some ideas from these theories.

JohnConnor2012
05-02-2010, 03:19 PM
Shame there's not more Sumerian imagery in either game we've seen so far, but interesting theory, esp. about the planetary alignments, what the 2012 lot get most excited about.

We may not know what the POE are, but we know what they do. We've seen the effect of the Apple on Altair, Ezio and others - rendering susceptible folk willess and immobile. They seem to database advanced knowledge too.

On the screenshot a couple above, that globe rotates and shows a few more locations in the Americas and (if I remember) even the Pacific. Asbergos boss says they need to collect most, if not all, as some might not still be functioning. Originally, they wanted Dessie, with his genetic memories, to do the tomb-raiding.

Murcuseo
05-02-2010, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by TheRealDABhand:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
10) Iraq, Jordan Or Saudi Arabia

Map
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/mikeh21_2006/mapofPoE.png

10 is more likely to be Sumeria, where the Sumerian's once ruled. Lots of theories around aliens from that distant past.

Carvings found on walls depicted space craft like shapes (in rocket form) on some and how the people worshipped other beings.

IMHO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Number 1 looks like its in Inverness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverness)... can't say that would be an interesting place to be an assassin lol

http://www.scotland-inverness.co.uk/scotlandmap.jpg

JohnConnor2012
05-02-2010, 03:45 PM
What is that Templar place that gets mentioned in 'Holy Blood & Holy Grail'? Roslyn Chapel, right?

El_Sjietah
05-02-2010, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by JohnConnor2012:
What is that Templar place that gets mentioned in 'Holy Blood & Holy Grail'? Roslyn Chapel, right?

That's right.

TheRealDABhand
05-02-2010, 05:51 PM
Roslyn Chapel is correct, its near Edinburgh, and an old holy ground of the templars called Balantrodoch. Which is where the supposed last Templar is buried.

Here is a few pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/20655565


Some players of a french game title called Evidence and Missing, will know about this place :P

And a few astute among you will recognise the dates, when the Templar's arrived as it closely coincides with William Wallace's campaign.


The story of William Wallace is a big thing especially for us Scots, but he was born in Scotland but was taught overseas, was he a Templar?

Some said he was many many feet tall, Its possible he was tall I have picked up (tried to it was heavy >.&lthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif his sword at Bannockburn which is a long length. Definetly longer than a longsword.

It would also explain some tactics used against the English, like using oil to burn cavaliers as they charged, etc.

So Wallace may have indeed been part of the few Templars sent by De Molay before his capture to goto Scotland and to try to save the order.

enthsulther
05-03-2010, 05:41 AM
what an amazing thread this is! So many exiting theory's!
I actually allready knew about the "Anunaki", which the Sumarians talked about. When in AC2 "the ones before" came to the light, i immediatly saw the reference to the eldest writings from mankind (from the Sumarians)

on the creation of Adam and Eve, and why the would be immune to the piece of Eden:
The Bible describes the creates Adam from "the dust of the ground" and then "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", causing him to "become a living soul". But because he was like god, he could not multiply himself. So god took one of his rib's and created Eve. Rib can be seen as a part of a whole. So basicly there was Adam, an exact copy of the Anunaki, split in 2 to form a male and female part. Their offsprings became the much weaker humans.
Fact: with our modern technology we use the inside of the bone, the red bone marrow, to make clones, of rats and of course the famous sheep that was cloned "dolly". Maybe God worked in the same way with Adam's rib??

Also the Bible has been translated to all languages from different ancient languages, causing a lot of words to be misspelled or misinterpretated. In early versions God spoke: Let us make man, in later versions: God made man. This could mean that God was not 1 person, but multiple; the Anunaki counsil in charge of making human kind, to be a slave for the anunaki. The one speaking was the leader of this counsil.

To make things even worse, i don't have the image here, but the Sumarians made an image with an exact copy of our solar system, with all the planets in the right order, how they orbit around the sun, all in the right size (in relation to eachother), with the right distance from the sun! Today's calculations match what they knew all those years ago. Well, nog exactly, there is one difference..
One more planet is on that image. We call it planet X http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

i have so much more to share, i've been following this story for quiet a while and recently finished AC2 and found the amazing plot. Wich i ofcourse loved because it's based on the Anunaki theory.

JohnConnor2012
05-03-2010, 02:30 PM
Hm, I'd be careful not to over-read all this - AC's a fiction, right?

Point to note about the Biblical translation though is that monotheism was actually a pretty late innovation in Judaism (c. 1000 BCE) and those earlier presented as 'angels' or 'heavenly bodies' were originally minor dieties. Quite possible for 'God' to be plural in earliest creation myths therefore, esp. when derived from more ancient Mesopotamian stories.

TheRealDABhand
05-04-2010, 12:50 AM
Some may say all bibles are a work of fiction too.

enthsulther
05-04-2010, 07:31 AM
well the thing is it's like Atlantis. There are stories about it, some claim to have proof that it existed, BUT there is not any hard evidence.. Also impossible to prove.
The game (and some legends) make you believe, that an order of people (templars for instance), made in impossible for the normal man to find out if these stories are true. Which is descibed in some parts of solving the truth.
It gives an major extra trill to the storyline http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Because you can't say it all happened for real, but you also can't exclude that it could've really happened http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ZnorfRat
05-04-2010, 05:38 PM
In my understanding the pices of eden were adavanced technology that was used to control humans when they were being used as slaves by the people who talked to Ezio in the end of Ac2.

I think that this civilization was not aliens but actually created on earth and then evolved( obviously) like us. They were basically humans sorta but just way far ahead of us right now, imagine us but 500 in the future sorta like that. They Created humans sorta like robots to do their physical work for them while they did the intellectual work like inventing new things stuff. They (as i said before) used the pieces of eden to control us to take away or free will and make us work for them. When they created us they used nature as a their guideline and created their own custom species, in the process of making us they added these things in our brain that made us listen to the pieces of eden, which it tells you about when you are solving one of the truth puzzles. It talks about their being something in our brain that is of no known use which i believe is what causes us to listen to the pieces of eden. The apple of eden was used for locating the other pieces for the species that i believe created us if they lost one or it got stolen. It was also given some power over humans so it would be hard for them to use it. Eve and Adam( Imo ) were the first human rebels they tried to break the other species control over humans by stealing pieces of eden as shown in the truth video.

Adam and Eve i believe did a lot of damage because every time they stole eden pieces they would gather more humans to fight for their cause of freedom, probally violently. I think that humans won against the other species in physical battle because the other species was more smart then strong( probally good chess players lol).

This along with the major event of the sun having a spaz was very unexpected for the other species and because of this they experienced the irony of being destroyed by something they created (Like The Matrix sorta). The humans becuase of their massive numbers survived the sun spaz and then since the other species was wiped out they started to become the dominent species on earth.

However the pieces of eden still survived and have been carried along with the human evolution as seen in AC2. Some time after the wipe out of the other species humans started to admire the other species technology that had survived which for a less-evolved human brain caused them begin to see them as gods and eventaully evolved into a religion, this turn into a belief in a superior being after the other species were forgotten in the mids of most humans. The Mayans are an example of this "first" religion of the previous species because they obtained a large portions of their technology which they understood the basics of and gave them some of the tech they had.


Remeber this is all speculation.

KidMauiWowie
07-13-2010, 12:30 AM
okay now stay with me. in the bible it talks about how Eve took a APPLE off the tree of KNOWLEDGE now in ac2 Leonard says they hold vast amounts of KNOWLEDGE now what if the Tree Of Knowledge in the bible is really a metaphor for whatever was holding the pieces of Eden and when Eve took one all the knowledge that was in it she saw......just a thought

EzioAssassin51
07-13-2010, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by KidMauiWowie:
okay now stay with me. in the bible it talks about how Eve took a APPLE off the tree of KNOWLEDGE now in ac2 Leonard says they hold vast amounts of KNOWLEDGE now what if the Tree Of Knowledge in the bible is really a metaphor for whatever was holding the pieces of Eden and when Eve took one all the knowledge that was in it she saw......just a thought

As in she took it from a OWCB and seeing as they are so smart, they are the metophorical tree of knowledge!

masterfenix2009
07-13-2010, 01:55 AM
ummm. assuming minerva and her kind made it .... im kinda asuming its alien

EzioAssassin51
07-13-2010, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by assassino151:
ummm. assuming minerva and her kind made it .... im kinda asuming its alien

They are not aliens, just Humans who were more advanced than us!

masterfenix2009
07-13-2010, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by assassino151:
ummm. assuming minerva and her kind made it .... im kinda asuming its alien

They are not aliens, just Humans who were more advanced than us! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

for some reason i can assume altair is still alive, but i never thought about her being human...sad

Vey03
07-13-2010, 04:14 AM
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.

UBOSOFT-Gamer
07-13-2010, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.

imo to taken be real, but great and perfect for a game! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

*edit* and everybody knows that altough the organisation were destroyed and head figures got killed, not all templars died out :P so its fit for the story of AC too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<span class="ev_code_RED">Please do not bypass the Language Filter</span>

lilbacchant
07-13-2010, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

Not necessarily. If I remember correctly, she says that in response to Ezio asking if they were gods. The fact that they aren't gods, well, that doesn't mean they are homo sapiens either.

Personally, as far as what we've been affirmatively told in the story, I think the jury is still out as to the origins of TWCB -- i.e., previously evolved species on earth or aliens.

Another thing to consider is the idea of them creating us to be slaves. That may be a misinterpretation. Neither the Truth video nor Minerva definitively tells us what the mental capacities of their original creations were.

Were they self-aware? How evolved were their brains compared to now? Was their intent to create machines like we use robotics today, only they used genetics and biology?

Edit:
Just to add/clarify, we could surmise w/ more knowledge if we knew when the events depicted in the Truth video occurred -- e.g., was it 5,000 bce; 50,000 bce? That is, just how much time has our species had to evolve both physically and culturally since then?

AirAssassinate
11-04-2010, 12:03 PM
Known locations of Pieces of Eden (Taken from Assassins Creed Wikia)

Following the death of Al Mualim and the Apples projection of a map indicating the location of all Pieces of Eden, Altaïr copied the map and included it in his Codex, hidden away so that only one of his bloodline might see it[2]. Based off of the locations given on the Codex map, the following locations can be identified as containing a Piece of Eden

1. Giza, Egypt
2. Lake Victoria, Africa, more on the Kenyan side
3. The Gambia River, Gambia
4. Timbuktu, Mali
5. Taza, Morocco
6. Canary Islands, Spain
7. The Southern tip of the Kamchatka Peninsula in Russia, curiously near the volcano of Opala
8. Odessa, Ukraine
9. Kharkiv, Ukraine
10. Rennes-le-Château, France
11. Salisbury Plain, England
12. Loch Ness, Scotland
13. Maroantsetra, Madagascar
14. Nara, Japan
15. Somewhere close to Goodhouse, South Africa, near the border between South Africa and Namibia
16. Kuwait
17. Delhi, India or the Taj Mahal in India, just a short distance south of Delhi
18. Persepolis, now mordern day Shiraz, Iran
19. Jerusalem, Israel
20. Colombia, South America, around the area of the Igara Parana River
21. Nazca, Perú
22. South-western Sri Lanka
23. Hellissandur, Iceland
24. The area of Sabiene Island, Nunavut, Canada
25. Phoenix, Arizona, or somewhere outside the city
26. Washington D.C.
27. Juneau, Alaska
28. An area close to Pulau Ratewo, Papua
29. The middle of the South Pacific Ocean
30. The Pacific Ocean, close to the coast of Mexico
31. The South Pacific Ocean, close to the Assassin's temple located at 91 degrees W
32. The Atlantic Ocean, in an area where Atlantis was believed to have existed
33. The Atlantic Ocean, a few hundred miles off the coast of Brazil
34. The Antartic Ocean, on the side of Antartica facing up towards the Atlantic
35. The Indian Ocean, almost cross sectioned with the tips of Inda, Africa and the Southwestern tip of Australia - a small island called Ile Amsterdam
36. The Antartic Ocean, the side of the Antartic ocean that faces up towards the Indian Ocean
37. Archangelsk, Russia
38. Andorra le Vella, Andorra
39. Imperatriz, Brazil
40. Barrow, Alaska
41. La Rioja, Argentina
42. An area close to Hervey Bay, Queensland, Australia
43. An area around South Cross, in Western Australia
44. Somewhere in the middle of the Island of Sumatra, Indonesia
45. Beijing, China
46. Somewhere in the Atali Mountains in southwestern Mongolia
47. Somewhere along the northern Coast of Chukotka province, Russia
48. An area close to Tiksi, Russia

The other two that made up the last of the 50 pieces, one of the Apples and the Staff, were destroyed in the DIA Satellite Incident and the Tunguska blast respectively.

Hope this helps.

Also, guys just so you know, PoE ARE FICTIONAL ITEMS. No such things exist as yet. They are not the centre of attention that Assassins and Templars fight over, as the game suggests.

For example, in AC1, Al Mualim takes control of the whole town of Masyaf. This is similar to how it is said that Hassan ibn Sabbah, the creater of the assassins, used to recruit assassins, by drugging them (With a drug called hashash, which is a version of Weed). Though I may be condradicting my point, this is not proven, as the documents of the assassins were destroyed when they were attacked and destroyed in the 13th century.

Anyways, take a minute to go on the AC Wikia. You'll find out a fair bit of information relative to the game, and for the assassins themselves you have to look at a variety of sources, and work it out for yourself.

R4AC2
11-04-2010, 01:30 PM
@mikini

That is a good picture and list but a lot of those countries would not have been in existence during Altair's time period. This fact suggests that the pieces of Eden came from a time period that came after Altair and even Ezio's time period. Also you can see some of the computer like writing that flashes on the screen when you are in the Abstergo Animus. This might display a correlation to Abstergo Industries.

R4AC2
11-04-2010, 01:53 PM
@No8Harding

The Hashashins were an Islamic Religious Sect that broke away from mainstream Islam to practice the religion in their own way. They used plants similar to marijuana and other depressants on aspiring Assassins to simulate dying. The leader of the Hashashins would then have the Assassin wake up in a garden full of beautiful women and pleasant drinks and whatever else made an Assassin happy. Then the leader would tell the Assassin that he (she? I don't think so... No written account) was in Heaven. The Assassin would then do what he had to do in order to protect heaven.

Considering your list, the PoE seem to placed in places that were not known to exist in Ezio's time. This might mean that the PoE were placed their by people in the future (stupid, unlikely, unoriginal) or by an ancient civilization (stupid, unoriginal) or perhaps the PoE are naturally occurring (original, fun).

The entire idea of the PoE is disappointing to me. I would have preferred it if the game stuck with its historical angle. The Mayans were ahead of their time, but we are fed that in our educations and in books because the non-European countries don't want to be left out of important history. Just remember (not directed at you No8Harding! I agree with you), a group of central-americans can get together and say that they have a history too, but even if the Mayans did create calendars and pyramids, other countries weren't going around doing human sacrifices.

I'm a student at Harvard, and I don't have a lot of time on my hands. Getting ready for tests and trying to get into Phoenix SK are my biggest priorities. But the reason I like Assassin's Creed is because it is historically accurate: so keep it that way Ubisoft.

Serenity9066
11-04-2010, 05:43 PM
It was aliens.

Pushkal2010
11-15-2010, 09:11 AM
pieces of eden are really true mystical matter.
these are the real powers which were used by the ancient leaders to control or to under the common people .
It has a real history .
Once there was a battle between god and human.Till then god had spread some of these stones through which they controlled the human.Unfortunately these stones got discovered and humans won the battle. this is the real fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.whenever u will see the gandhi ji stick in "Dandi March" u will find a crystal shaped stone on his ladhi. that stone is piece of eden. therefore all the egyption kings had a piece of eden on there head in crown.piece of eden is best & powerfullest power.

AeonGamer
11-15-2010, 09:25 AM
Pieces of Eden are technological pieces of an ancient alien race from a planet similar to earth
Minerva in the game pretty much spelled it out that their world was burned by their sun so they came here and hid the tech to reverse the process and safeguard us so that their legacy would be carried on.

They were aliens and had Alien technology
The apples are basically knowledge spheres which project the knowledge of the alien race to anyone with their bloodline ala the Assassins

The Templars have found the objects possess powers and wish to use it to reshape the earth in a more favorable place to their ideals and agendas. The assassins seek to stop this and bring balance
In Modern times AC Desmond and his gal seek to stop the inevitable by training Desmond to be like his ancestors and by going to find the pieces.

I don't know how AC:B plays out in the modern times but I would like to see an AC that's half the game in the past state and half in a more modern environs

F4H bandicoot
11-15-2010, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.
well someone else built the sphinx, becuse that has water erosion from around 10,000 bc.

And im just chucking this out there. You all know about plate tectonics yes?, well there is now a small movevment of scientists who believe that there is also a much larger form of this, kind of like the crust 'slipping' so continents and plates change location VERY quickly, (this is backed up my evidence form siberia, The speed the wiscosnion ice sheet melted, and the fact antarctica is in an ice age) some are even saying that Antarcica only arrived at its present location around 20,000 to 10,000 b.c.e, Antarctica is made up of islands, with rivers (obviously iced over now, duh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,) Right, so to put that into persepctive, Antartica COULD be atlantis, and Atlantis could be where the ones who came before lived. MAYBE
source: http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/fotg/default.htm

AubreyWilborn
11-15-2010, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.
well someone else built the sphinx, becuse that has water erosion from around 10,000 bc.

And im just chucking this out there. You all know about plate tectonics yes?, well there is now a small movevment of scientists who believe that there is also a much larger form of this, kind of like the crust 'slipping' so continents and plates change location VERY quickly, (this is backed up my evidence form siberia, The speed the wiscosnion ice sheet melted, and the fact antarctica is in an ice age) some are even saying that Antarcica only arrived at its present location around 20,000 to 10,000 b.c.e, Antarctica is made up of islands, with rivers (obviously iced over now, duh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,) Right, so to put that into persepctive, Antartica COULD be atlantis, and Atlantis could be where the ones who came before lived. MAYBE
source: http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/fotg/default.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Holy carp. Someone else on here knows about Graham Hancock, crust displacement theory, and pole shifts?

Have you read "Fingerprints of the Gods, yet?


Anyway, yeah-there are quite a few people who believe that a VERY advanced race once lived on what we call "Antartica". Then, the Earth's crust shifted rapidly, like in the movie "2012". These people's homeland was covered with water, then Ice as it drifted into its current position.

The survivors of this catastrophe traveled to various places around the world, and laid the foundations for various civilizations: Sumeria, Egypt, etc. They also traveled to North, central and South America, where they laid the foundations for the Mayan calendar.

The Mayan calendar is actually a record of different cycles of the earth, each lasting so many thousands of years. In between these "cycles" are periods of great destruction, similar to the one that destroyed the home of this "first civilization" on Antartica. The next global disaster is, of course, supposed to happen in December, 2012.

F4H bandicoot
11-15-2010, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.
well someone else built the sphinx, becuse that has water erosion from around 10,000 bc.

And im just chucking this out there. You all know about plate tectonics yes?, well there is now a small movevment of scientists who believe that there is also a much larger form of this, kind of like the crust 'slipping' so continents and plates change location VERY quickly, (this is backed up my evidence form siberia, The speed the wiscosnion ice sheet melted, and the fact antarctica is in an ice age) some are even saying that Antarcica only arrived at its present location around 20,000 to 10,000 b.c.e, Antarctica is made up of islands, with rivers (obviously iced over now, duh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,) Right, so to put that into persepctive, Antartica COULD be atlantis, and Atlantis could be where the ones who came before lived. MAYBE
source: http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/fotg/default.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Holy carp. Someone else on here knows about Graham Hancock, crust displacement theory, and pole shifts?

Have you read "Fingerprints of the Gods, yet?


Anyway, yeah-there are quite a few people who believe that a VERY advanced race once lived on what we call "Antartica". Then, the Earth's crust shifted rapidly, like in the movie "2012". These people's homeland was covered with water, then Ice as it drifted into its current position.

The survivors of this catastrophe traveled to various places around the world, and laid the foundations for various civilizations: Sumeria, Egypt, etc. They also traveled to North, central and South America, where they laid the foundations for the Mayan calendar.

The Mayan calendar is actually a record of different cycles of the earth, each lasting so many thousands of years. In between these "cycles" are periods of great destruction, similar to the one that destroyed the home of this "first civilization" on Antartica. The next global disaster is, of course, supposed to happen in December, 2012. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yup, and heres the amazing bit, im 15 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sparty2020
11-15-2010, 01:58 PM
^^^ Nice, keep that intelligence. It'll get you places.

Anyways, the whole belief that we originated from aliens is actually a religion called "Scientology". I think AC is attempting too hard to appeal to every religion.

xsatanicjokerx
11-15-2010, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.
well someone else built the sphinx, becuse that has water erosion from around 10,000 bc.

And im just chucking this out there. You all know about plate tectonics yes?, well there is now a small movevment of scientists who believe that there is also a much larger form of this, kind of like the crust 'slipping' so continents and plates change location VERY quickly, (this is backed up my evidence form siberia, The speed the wiscosnion ice sheet melted, and the fact antarctica is in an ice age) some are even saying that Antarcica only arrived at its present location around 20,000 to 10,000 b.c.e, Antarctica is made up of islands, with rivers (obviously iced over now, duh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,) Right, so to put that into persepctive, Antartica COULD be atlantis, and Atlantis could be where the ones who came before lived. MAYBE
source: http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/fotg/default.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Holy carp. Someone else on here knows about Graham Hancock, crust displacement theory, and pole shifts?

Have you read "Fingerprints of the Gods, yet?


Anyway, yeah-there are quite a few people who believe that a VERY advanced race once lived on what we call "Antartica". Then, the Earth's crust shifted rapidly, like in the movie "2012". These people's homeland was covered with water, then Ice as it drifted into its current position.

The survivors of this catastrophe traveled to various places around the world, and laid the foundations for various civilizations: Sumeria, Egypt, etc. They also traveled to North, central and South America, where they laid the foundations for the Mayan calendar.

The Mayan calendar is actually a record of different cycles of the earth, each lasting so many thousands of years. In between these "cycles" are periods of great destruction, similar to the one that destroyed the home of this "first civilization" on Antartica. The next global disaster is, of course, supposed to happen in December, 2012. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yup, and heres the amazing bit, im 15 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The earth has had polar shifts in the past and guess what it doesnt happen over night like these "scientists" say it does. It takes 100's if not 1000's of years. All this shet about 2012 is ficton.

lilbacchant
11-15-2010, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
The earth has had polar shifts in the past and guess what it doesnt happen over night like these "scientists" say it does. It takes 100's if not 1000's of years. All this shet about 2012 is ficton.

And there are many indications that the poles are in the process of shifting as we speak (an EMF shift, not an actual topsy-turvy physical shift), so there's still hope that there will be widespread calamity by 2012 -- you just gotta have a little faith. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Shadowchsr79
11-15-2010, 03:49 PM
*Potential spoiler alert*

I don't know if this has been said before as I stopped reading after the first three pages of posts. So if I'm repeating I'm sorry.

The piece of eden that is the focus of these two stories does not travel in time. But I think it can give some a glimpse of things that will come. Altair says as much in the Codex, seeing visions of fire and death worse than any war he's ever imagined. We know from the map in AC that there are multiple pieces of Eden, and according to Vidic, at least two are on land masses that "no longer exist" which means the locations of these pieces were in pace thousands of years ago, possibly even hundreds of thousands of years ago. One of those lost land masses could even have been Atlantis.

We know that they have multiple forms and that some of the forms seem to have varying purposes. there were the "apples" then there were the Swords, the staffs and the cloak or veils. There are probably more, but those are the ones that are alluded to in all "the truth" clues. Also the highest number of pieces alluded to in "the truth" was PoE number 66 so there were a lot of these artifacts scattered across the globe.

I also think that depending on the type of piece of eden that some of their abilites vary. The apple seems to be good at influencing minds, holds vast knowledge, (like the apple of knowledge that cast out adam and eve) allows a person to create illusions like multiplying themselves and so on. We don't see the multiplication aspect when the spaniard used the papal staff. He also was unable to bend the minds of those in the curch to attack Ezio like Al Mualim could make his men attack altair. But he could subjugate them and physically control them. Those who had the cloak or Veil, like Jesus and Joseph seemed to have healing abilities and a lot of figures in possession of it were resurected. And then the sword given to people like Joan of Ark and Arthur Pendragon, became great leaders who united their people till they lost their sword. I'm sure there are other pieces that we haven't seen as those are just those that we know off. or at least are hinted at.

As for time travel, I'm not sure if that was ever the purpose of any of the peaces of eden. Aside from their abilities they seem to be great sources of power. According to more hints in the Truth, A Piece of Eden gave Nicola Tesla the key to creating free electricity for all as well as dreamed up new ways of passing information around the world. So what if the Philedelphia experiemnt was a piece of eden going wrong, It was damaged in the experiment, maybe too much power going through it causing those to either go back in time or maybe slip to a parallel universe. That would explain the fusing to the bulkheads better than time travel. As if two items occupied the same space for a time and the end result was a fusion. Whos' to say those traveled could give an accurate description of exactly where they went. The experience sounds traumatic either way.

I truly believe that the pieces of eden were created by "those who came before" an advanced race that helped humanity to evolve to be their slaves or workers and controled by the pieces of eden due to the built in nuerotransmitter that is was discovered and again shown in "the truth" Because of the seemingly all encompassing power of those who came before, humanity viewed them as gods.

It also seems to me that like any master with slaves, sometimes they get overly afectionate with them with the result of hybrids, humans with better agility, speed, and strength as well as a resitance to the mind controling aspects of the pieces of Eden. Adam and Eve were some of the first and stole the first "apple." Without that apple, the control over the humans in that area was weakened allowing the beginnings of a rebellion. I think it had a cascade effect as more pieces were possibly stolen from other hybrid beings. And durring these rebelions, the first series of decimating solar flares hit the planet. In the aftermath, both sides worked together to rebuild and there weren't enough of Those who Came before to survive so they entrusted their tools to those who they believed would keep them safe to be used as a way to protect from another solar event in the future.

Of course due to the nature of the initial relationship between the pieces of Eden and Humanity, there are those who wanted the artifacts for their power and to control all others.

Subject sixteen also said that the pieces were once part of a whole. It would be interesting to see how they combine together and what could be gleaned from even just a few of them assembled properly. And how many are needed to protect humanity from the coming cataclysm.

I'm sure a lot of the pieces were probably secreted in various temples above and below ground. I think orginially before the templars scavanged for them, all the ancient greek, roman, egyptian, mayan, aztec, norse, etc probably housed pieces of eden. they may have given those cultures enough knowledge to build their temples and such as well as other items before they were lost or stolen. Altair himself used his "apple" to improve on the hidden blade, create a hidden gun centuries before the rest of humanity as well as a special armor. Why not computers and amptheaters and temples and tombs and aquaducts etc. . . . Then as they were lost, society fell apart only to begin agian without them, and they were slowly rediscovered. This has probably happened several times over the millenia.

So why would the map we see in ACI have possible modern borders? I can't say. I also can't say why there was a Piece of Eden on the moon unless one piece can connect to the others or dectect the others to those who know how to read them. Maybe the one on the moon used to work as a relay for the locations of the other pieces in case they moved over the years. They were once part of a whole after all. It could be that because Desmond was living Altair's life that things translated to a modern representation for him to understand. Just like he was in the middle east and to him everyone was speaking english. THe animus may have translated or transposed a modern map over the older on so the templars to triangulate the location of more pieces.

Well that's all I can think of for now

Henry454
11-15-2010, 04:05 PM
They are parts of the temples that were built by the former humans with Minerva who P.S. Is a little Indiana Jonesish already:-b

lilbacchant
11-15-2010, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Shadowchsr79:
The piece of eden that is the focus of these two stories does not travel in time. But I think it can give some a glimpse of things that will come. Altair says as much in the Codex, seeing visions of fire and death worse than any war he's ever imagined.

Well, that's just it ... we don't know. Any given PoE could have a multitude of capabilities, and any of those capabilities may or may not be limited by the user's capabilities to properly utilize them.

Just because Altair saw 'visions' doesn't mean they were of the future (or even true, for that mattter), maybe they were from the past; maybe he saw the disaster that Minerva spoke of in the vault -- the one that was the beginning of the end for her race. Given what *we think we know* now about TWCB, visions of that disaster could easily be misinterpreted as being futuristic.

The only thing we can be reasonably certain of is that at least one being from TWCB was capable of foretelling Desmond's presence at some future point. We don't know how that foretelling was accomplished (mystical, technological, time travel, pre-cognition, etc.), and especially don't know if any PoE contains or can depart that same capability.


Also the highest number of pieces alluded to in "the truth" was PoE number 66 so there were a lot of these artifacts scattered across the globe.

According to the map projected by the apple PoE at end of AC1, there is 50 in total. The discrepancy between that # and the numbering system utilized in the glyph puzzles is uncertain.

It's possible that the numbers being used in the glyph puzzles are more of a cataloging sequence documenting the known instances or occurences of PoE, and since various PoE are known to have changed hands numerous times, that accounting may in no way be reflective of the actual unique number of PoE.

In this regard, it's likely that many, if not most, of the unique PoE have yet to be located by humans; and, further, we know that at least two have been destroyed.


I also can't say why there was a Piece of Eden on the moon

Why would you think there's a PoE on the moon?

Shadowchsr79
11-15-2010, 08:20 PM
Well I would think there is one on the moon, because of one of "the Truth" or glyph puzzles. The photos of the moon landing, shows an edited templar flag and an piece of eden by the foot of the astronaut on the ground. If those photos and all of them in "the truth" are about who had possession of the pieces and where they retreaved and lost Pieces of Eden, then it makes sense that a piece was found on the Moon. I don't remember which puzzle number it was but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about at least in regards to the puzzle.

Altair mentions seeing glimpses of the future in the Codex and his fears of how his actions may in fact cause the events instead of changing them. So I think the apple might have some predictive abilities, or at least giving good probabilities based on the flow of events. And if the solar flairs are bound to cycle around again, the images of fire can just as easily be the future than the past. But you are right, there is no difinitive way to see if the visions were of the past or the future. Either way they would be a warning of what would or could come again if the pieces of eden were are not used properly.

As for Minerva knowing that she was talking to Desmond that's quite the puzzle. I guess you could argue that since Desmond is connected to Ezio through DNA maybe what the Animus does is more than just relive memories in a person's DNA but thrusts his conciousness back in time and Minerva or what was left of her could detect Desmond with Ezio. Either that or she would know what was happening 400 years in the future and even for an advanced race, that's pretty hard to fathom unless they had mastered time travel which hasn't been determined. If they had, I'm surprised that they hadn't been able to warn themselves of the disater or of one or two of their kind moved forward in time to try and guide humanity but it seems like they moved linearly through time just like humans, just for longer spans. (you can tell I watch too much sci fi)

I must admit to never counting the projections on the map in either game. Though it seems a bit odd to use a catalouging system that would count on Piece of Eden more than once unless there is no way to differentiate them once the Templars loose track of them. But what if one piece of eden didn't have all of the locations? It's also possible that the locations of all were broken up into two maps. Though that is less likely as there is only one that had a number above 50.

I hope we'll get more clarification in the next games a bit. As engrossing as the ancestors stories are, the sci fi twist is so much fun to speculate on because we only get pieces of the whole.

F4H bandicoot
11-16-2010, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Shadowchsr79:
Well I would think there is one on the moon, because of one of "the Truth" or glyph puzzles. The photos of the moon landing, shows an edited templar flag and an piece of eden by the foot of the astronaut on the ground. If those photos and all of them in "the truth" are about who had possession of the pieces and where they retreaved and lost Pieces of Eden, then it makes sense that a piece was found on the Moon. I don't remember which puzzle number it was but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about at least in regards to the puzzle.

Altair mentions seeing glimpses of the future in the Codex and his fears of how his actions may in fact cause the events instead of changing them. So I think the apple might have some predictive abilities, or at least giving good probabilities based on the flow of events. And if the solar flairs are bound to cycle around again, the images of fire can just as easily be the future than the past. But you are right, there is no difinitive way to see if the visions were of the past or the future. Either way they would be a warning of what would or could come again if the pieces of eden were are not used properly.

As for Minerva knowing that she was talking to Desmond that's quite the puzzle. I guess you could argue that since Desmond is connected to Ezio through DNA maybe what the Animus does is more than just relive memories in a person's DNA but thrusts his conciousness back in time and Minerva or what was left of her could detect Desmond with Ezio. Either that or she would know what was happening 400 years in the future and even for an advanced race, that's pretty hard to fathom unless they had mastered time travel which hasn't been determined. If they had, I'm surprised that they hadn't been able to warn themselves of the disater or of one or two of their kind moved forward in time to try and guide humanity but it seems like they moved linearly through time just like humans, just for longer spans. (you can tell I watch too much sci fi)

I must admit to never counting the projections on the map in either game. Though it seems a bit odd to use a catalouging system that would count on Piece of Eden more than once unless there is no way to differentiate them once the Templars loose track of them. But what if one piece of eden didn't have all of the locations? It's also possible that the locations of all were broken up into two maps. Though that is less likely as there is only one that had a number above 50.

I hope we'll get more clarification in the next games a bit. As engrossing as the ancestors stories are, the sci fi twist is so much fun to speculate on because we only get pieces of the whole.
the moon has someithng to do with the whole 'OWCB' but obviously we don't kniow what. i'll have a look at the glyph and see what i can find. Perhaps there was a piece on the Moon, and the moon was being used as 'safe storage' (can't think why, no atmosphere, no electronic field etc) or maybe, 16 is trying to get across thw whole thing was a fake, the apple showing people what they want to believe. remember, today cars often have better computers than the mission to the moon.
I'm going to go with a peice being launced onto the moon as a safety resort.

S1lent0ne
11-16-2010, 12:18 AM
**Spoiler**

Ubisoft WANTS every PC gamer to get off and pirate this game - that is the only logical conclusion to us off en masse.

<span class="ev_code_RED">Please do not bypass the Language Filter.</span>

Shadowchsr79
11-16-2010, 09:42 AM
the moon has someithng to do with the whole 'OWCB' but obviously we don't kniow what. i'll have a look at the glyph and see what i can find. Perhaps there was a piece on the Moon, and the moon was being used as 'safe storage' (can't think why, no atmosphere, no electronic field etc) or maybe, 16 is trying to get across thw whole thing was a fake, the apple showing people what they want to believe. remember, today cars often have better computers than the mission to the moon.
I'm going to go with a peice being launced onto the moon as a safety resort.

I don't think that subject sixteen was saying the mission to the moon was fake. If you look at one of the hidden aspects of the the picture, the templar symbol is under the white flag. So the Pictures of the moon landing were doctored but not because the mission was fake but to hide it's true purpose to retreave the piece of Eden that was there. Though a more frightening aspect of this is that the head of seeing to the funding of NASA was the Vice President. If he's not a templar himself, he's a close ally. Though in the 1960's when the moon progam was priority, Nixon was vice president, durring the term in which JFK was assassinate. He later became president in 1969. And according to the glyph puzzles, there was more than one president, certainly more than one leader who was linked to the templars and pieces of eden. but now i'm off topic again. Sorry. Makes ya think though doesn't it?

F4H bandicoot
11-16-2010, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Shadowchsr79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> the moon has someithng to do with the whole 'OWCB' but obviously we don't kniow what. i'll have a look at the glyph and see what i can find. Perhaps there was a piece on the Moon, and the moon was being used as 'safe storage' (can't think why, no atmosphere, no electronic field etc) or maybe, 16 is trying to get across thw whole thing was a fake, the apple showing people what they want to believe. remember, today cars often have better computers than the mission to the moon.
I'm going to go with a peice being launced onto the moon as a safety resort.

I don't think that subject sixteen was saying the mission to the moon was fake. If you look at one of the hidden aspects of the the picture, the templar symbol is under the white flag. So the Pictures of the moon landing were doctored but not because the mission was fake but to hide it's true purpose to retreave the piece of Eden that was there. Though a more frightening aspect of this is that the head of seeing to the funding of NASA was the Vice President. If he's not a templar himself, he's a close ally. Though in the 1960's when the moon progam was priority, Nixon was vice president, durring the term in which JFK was assassinate. He later became president in 1969. And according to the glyph puzzles, there was more than one president, certainly more than one leader who was linked to the templars and pieces of eden. but now i'm off topic again. Sorry. Makes ya think though doesn't it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
the whole game is full of these mysteries, but yeah, the president or someone close to him ( someone in the senate?? sorry im not american so i don know how the political system works) must have been a templar. I suppose the bigger question is how did a peice of eden get located to the moon?? was the moon habitable before the solar flare?
Also, going back to my Antarctica theory, the idea was that Antarctica would have been in a warmer climate before the crust slipped. Antarctica is made up of many islands with rivers and more importantly, mountains. now in the back of AC2's 'THE TRUTH'. it is now commely accepted that the mountain we see is Kilimanjaro. but is it?? it could technically be a mountain of Antarctica. The other thing is, no remains of 'Eden' have been found in modern times by the templars. This leads me to believe that the main 'Eden' was located on Antarctica (Atlantis) The Crust slipped after the solar flare, so TOWCB are now dead, all evidence of the other 'Edens are destroyed.
My other thought is one that someone has already mentioned, that somewhere is a 'tree'. it would be rather large and propbably look nothing like a tree, 'cut' into the tree are slots, holes etc, each peice of eden has a slot, when all the pieces are present, the 'main device' activates and something cool happens.

lilbacchant
11-16-2010, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Shadowchsr79:
As for Minerva knowing that she was talking to Desmond that's quite the puzzle.

Yep, it's a brain-burner alright. I've spent a lot of time contemplating that part of the story, and I'm not sure if that reflects how great the story is, or just proves what a nerd I am. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I guess you could argue that since Desmond is connected to Ezio through DNA maybe what the Animus does is more than just relive memories in a person's DNA but thrusts his conciousness back in time and Minerva or what was left of her could detect Desmond with Ezio.

I really think that's giving the animus too much power, so to speak, and would imply that one was actually time-travelling to the past. And if that were the case, I have no doubt that the Templars would be trying to alter the past for their benefit -- despite their supposed fears in the AC1 email about paradox issues.


Either that or she would know what was happening 400 years in the future and even for an advanced race, that's pretty hard to fathom unless they had mastered time travel which hasn't been determined. If they had, I'm surprised that they hadn't been able to warn themselves of the disater or of one or two of their kind moved forward in time to try and guide humanity but it seems like they moved linearly through time just like humans, just for longer spans.

Exactly. If they had pre-cognitive capabilities (let alone the ability to time-travel), how did they get blind-sided by whatever catastrophe severely weakened them? Even taking into account Minerva's statement that their attention was diverted by their war with humans, it's hard to imagine they'd forget such an impending doom.

Indeed, the only thing I've been able to surmise that doesn't seem to be contradicted, is that whatever capability that allowed Minerva to know of Desmond's future presence wasn't developed until *after* the previous catastrophe that killed most of her kind. I.e., it's a technology or natural ability that was either discovered or evolved between the catastrophe and the complete extinction of her species.


(you can tell I watch too much sci fi)
Well, apparently neither of us watch enough because we're still trying to figure this one out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Shadowchsr79
11-16-2010, 09:34 PM
even if it' giving too much power, I kinda like the theory I came up with. I doubt it's true and Desmond's presence in his ancestor's memories never changed the events that happened. I'm probably just getting carried away, but still if Subject 16 had the same link to Ezio, did he also see the vault and the message that was given to Desmond? Maybe that was how Abstergo knew to look for him in the first place. Granted they only had a first name but he did cut ties with his guilt before he could be trained. There had to be a reason Abstergo was interested in him beyond Altair.

As for not watching enough sci fi. . . I think sometimes too many theories and ideas with the scant hints and clues we are getting may be due to over active minds. We don't have enough information to confirm or deny any of the theories so far.

The antartica theory sounds very interesting. If the poles were ever reversed before, it's entirely possible and it's an interesting theory. You are right, that mountain could have been anywhere and even burried under layers of ice or sunk into the sea due to massive earthquakes. It does seem odd that there is no evidence of them except for the pieces of eden so far and the vault. My only guess is that the devistation caused by the solar flairs destroyed all of their buildings and larger tech and their people were too decimated to rebuild properly. Minevea did mention temples like, probably similar to the "Vault" under the Vatican so not all of their technology was lost but I believe a lot of it was deliberately hidden as they knew their race was dying and humanity would not be able to handle or understand all their technology. I think though the biggest mistake that TWCB did was to leave humanity with devices that have the power to control the minds of humanity. My only guess is they had no choice as most of their other tech was destroyed in the flares so something portable like the pieces of eden could survive where something larger wouldn't last the eons. I hope we get some answers in regards to that maybe a new vault uncovered in modern times but I doubt it as it seems that if other vaults have similar key requirements, you need a member of altair's line or another resistant to the Piece of Eden's influence, and at least two pieces of eden and Lucy's team certainly doesn't have one let alone two pieces of Eden on hand.

AubreyWilborn
11-16-2010, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.
well someone else built the sphinx, becuse that has water erosion from around 10,000 bc.

And im just chucking this out there. You all know about plate tectonics yes?, well there is now a small movevment of scientists who believe that there is also a much larger form of this, kind of like the crust 'slipping' so continents and plates change location VERY quickly, (this is backed up my evidence form siberia, The speed the wiscosnion ice sheet melted, and the fact antarctica is in an ice age) some are even saying that Antarcica only arrived at its present location around 20,000 to 10,000 b.c.e, Antarctica is made up of islands, with rivers (obviously iced over now, duh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,) Right, so to put that into persepctive, Antartica COULD be atlantis, and Atlantis could be where the ones who came before lived. MAYBE
source: http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/fotg/default.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Holy carp. Someone else on here knows about Graham Hancock, crust displacement theory, and pole shifts?

Have you read "Fingerprints of the Gods, yet?


Anyway, yeah-there are quite a few people who believe that a VERY advanced race once lived on what we call "Antartica". Then, the Earth's crust shifted rapidly, like in the movie "2012". These people's homeland was covered with water, then Ice as it drifted into its current position.

The survivors of this catastrophe traveled to various places around the world, and laid the foundations for various civilizations: Sumeria, Egypt, etc. They also traveled to North, central and South America, where they laid the foundations for the Mayan calendar.

The Mayan calendar is actually a record of different cycles of the earth, each lasting so many thousands of years. In between these "cycles" are periods of great destruction, similar to the one that destroyed the home of this "first civilization" on Antartica. The next global disaster is, of course, supposed to happen in December, 2012. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yup, and heres the amazing bit, im 15 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The earth has had polar shifts in the past and guess what it doesnt happen over night like these "scientists" say it does. It takes 100's if not 1000's of years. All this shet about 2012 is ficton. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What you said is actually what many believe the Mayan calendar says. Each "cycle" in the Mayan calendar consists of thousands, upon thousands of years.

According to Dr. Hancock and others, the Mayan calendar indicates that the last time the Earth "moved" in such a destructive way, was during the Ice Age. That was the time that Antartica shifted to where it is now, and whatever advanced civilization existed there was wiped out.

F4H bandicoot
11-17-2010, 12:23 AM
yup, and we only have small fragments of that race left behind, things like every myth from the 'first' civilisations generally involves white men coming across the sea on boats, nobody back then even had boats (that could feasibly travel across the sea), and that they taught the races how to live, and but warnings out there to when the next disaster would be, and more importantly, when they lived.

I still think that there would be traces of eden left behind, the one we see in the truth probably isnt the HQ, or the Capital Eden, but probably something to do with the Humans, How many more OWCB are there? How many more Edens were there?

There is interisting stuff hidden in the glyphs, Rajasthan, there is evidence of a nuclear bast between 8 and 10 thousdand years ago, we have the greek computer that is apparently older than greek people.

But the pieces all have to fit in somewhere. They where probably created by the ones who came before as they had to control the humans full stop, Maybe the City we see is a small part of a colonised world, or perhaps just continent.

I also can't believe that this hasn't cropped up yet. In many of the ancient religions, the Gods livde on mountains, or in the heavens, now in the background, we have a mountain, so they are living very close to a mountain, is that where the greek 'myth' of olympis came from?

More later, John.

AubreyWilborn
11-17-2010, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
yup, and we only have small fragments of that race left behind, things like every myth from the 'first' civilisations generally involves white men coming across the sea on boats, nobody back then even had boats (that could feasibly travel across the sea), and that they taught the races how to live, and but warnings out there to when the next disaster would be, and more importantly, when they lived.

I still think that there would be traces of eden left behind, the one we see in the truth probably isnt the HQ, or the Capital Eden, but probably something to do with the Humans, How many more OWCB are there? How many more Edens were there?

There is interisting stuff hidden in the glyphs, Rajasthan, there is evidence of a nuclear bast between 8 and 10 thousdand years ago, we have the greek computer that is apparently older than greek people.

But the pieces all have to fit in somewhere. They where probably created by the ones who came before as they had to control the humans full stop, Maybe the City we see is a small part of a colonised world, or perhaps just continent.

I also can't believe that this hasn't cropped up yet. In many of the ancient religions, the Gods livde on mountains, or in the heavens, now in the background, we have a mountain, so they are living very close to a mountain, is that where the greek 'myth' of olympis came from?

More later, John.

That's alot of good info you posted there. Especially about mountains. Now, I'm not talking about the AC universe just now, but alot of real life early civilizations held mountains to be very sacred. Many of them believed that mountains were where their gods lived, or where they came down to visit. A very important example would be the Israelites and Mount Sinai.

F4H bandicoot
11-18-2010, 12:32 AM
Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As we know, The OWCB left behind tombs and vaults etc to warn us and help us stop the disaster in 2012. From assumption,and a few images in the vault, we can probably say that the vaults are at places oh historic interest, like the pyramids of giza, and the mayan pyramids.

But why did they build the where they did. If there was more than than one 'Eden', then wouldn't it make sense to build these structures where their 'hometown' was? Maybe after the war the humans settled down where they had been enslaved because they have some sort of mental attachment. the same way that humans are drawn to danger?

We could probably also say that they had a 'Eden' in India. Why?? Well, as we see in one of the glyphs, and Ancient city called Rajasthan was wiped out by a nuclear blast after a war with the Gods. Sound familiar? The City could easily be 'Eden' (or whats left of it) and the Nuclaer blast could either be a peice of Eden or OWCB destroying the city.
(the nuclear blast is dated to 10,000 years ago)

Shadowchsr79
11-18-2010, 11:05 AM
my theory as to why the temples were scattered is this. Humanity went to war with TWCB. Some probably used Pieces of Eden to control other humans for their fighting force. I'm sure there were those among humanity who not only wanted to defeat TWCB but also have dominion over their own people. Then the devistation of the solar flares happened. According to Minvera, everything was literally turned to ash. I figure with the plate shifting, you'd have volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal and tsnami wave and the contenants shifting. Nothing would have been where it was before and any and all "Edens" were decimated. Everything had to be rebuilt. Humanity managed to increase in number again and rebuild some kind of civilization. But the damage to TWCB was more severe. There wasn't enough of them to continue their own race so they helped guide humanity to rebuild a society they could govern, entrusted Pieces of Eden to those who turned away from war and had temples devoted to it as a means to have a written record and warnings as well as to protect the items needed to prevent another "end of the world" senario. Considering how scattered the Pieces of Eden were it makes sense that there multiple communities before the first disaster. It may even stand to reason that old land masses were covered in ice like Antartica, and new ones were formed when continents split. when the world was shifted so violently, almost any theory can fill in the gaps for where things were originally. I also think that nearly every old culture that had polytheistic religions can be argued that these "Gods" were TWCB. Especially since a lot of tales involve Gods having halfblood children with humans creating super humans, and are usually gifted with or entrusted with magical objects.

You do have a point about India possibly being one of the locations of an "Eden" before the human rebellion. the same could be said of the legends of atlantis as it's rumored to have been destoryed over 10,000 years ago and sunk into the sea. The basics of the events described match a possible ancient war happening there too. Granted there is no evidence yet the legend of it had endured for millenia even without a scrap of proof which I think is telling in and of itself. And I'm rambling again. I'll leave this here for now.

F4H bandicoot
11-18-2010, 11:18 AM
Well, In my opinion Atlantis is Antarctica, that fits in real life and in the game. Yes, there may well have been another continent covered in ice at the time, (most likely the North of America). Lots polytheistic religions also have their stories of White Men coming across the sea, who taught them how to farm, live life well, taught them maths and stars etc (fits in with that Greek computer-could there be more out there.) So perhaps the humans who survived the war and flare forgot about their heritage, and the last surviving OWCB set out when new civilisations where rising. They arrived to find that the humans had occupied the locations of their old cities, due to the fact they had located the temples, So, Egypt, the Mayans, the Aztecs all lived in locations of Edens.

Thanks. John

Shadowchsr79
11-18-2010, 06:08 PM
I'm not Saying that Atlantis isn't under Antartica. I was going by what I remembered of the descriptions according to Plato in which part of Atlantis could be seen from the pillars of Hercules. Heck in the Stargate series. Atlantis was actually on a different planet in another galaxy. All of it little more than myth and may have only been a story and nothing more that has grown more popular in a world obsessed by science yet seeming willing to embrace the fantastic even more readily than we did in the past.

It's also entirely possible that some of the land masses weren't totally changed so that they could rebuild some civilizations on top of the remains of the original "Edens" but if you run with Atlantis is now Antartica that means all the land masses went through a drastic climate shift as the poles shifted and areas that were not habitable before were and vice versa. Which can be further explanation of why remains of "Eden" outside of the portable technology in the form of Pieces of Eden and the temples and vaults built afterwards are all that remain of TWCB. Also Minerva seems to make it seem like the temples were built after to safegaurd the Pieces of Eden. They knew the potential for the devices to be abused because humanity was not ready. And it may be eons before humanity will ever be ready. If only humanity could evolve beyond the mind control of the Pieces of Eden. Their allure wouldn't be as dangerous then.

xenon_823
11-18-2010, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by mikini:
Here, just made a map of all of the Pieces of Eden and what countries they are in. In some locations it is not to clear, so I have put down a couple.

Key
1) Scotland
2) South England
3) France/Spain
4) West coast of Africa (Could be Canary Islands or just off Cape Verde)
5) Morocco
5) Sierra Leone or Guinea
7) Mali or Niger
8) Kenya or Tanzania
9) Egypt
10) Iraq, Jordan Or Saudi Arabia
11) Romania or Ukraine
12) Ukraine or Russia
13) Russia
14) Iran
15) India

Map
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/mikeh21_2006/mapofPoE.png


i just looked at a map of england and would you believe it piece number 2 looks like its armound the area of stonehenge.

pwned191
12-06-2010, 08:18 PM
mansa musa holding piece of eden?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Mansa_Musa.jpg

X10J
12-06-2010, 08:22 PM
2, note the staff.

@mikini: What about the Americas, I think I saw a PoE near Kinsington.

RzaRecta357
12-06-2010, 08:55 PM
Nice! The Staff that Nikoli was sent to get from the Tsar.

LightRey
12-07-2010, 12:15 AM
yeah, it really does look a lot like the Tsar's staff.

F4H bandicoot
12-07-2010, 12:24 AM
looking at the codex it appears that theres is a map in it that shows locations of peices of eden that is different to this one?

Anyhow, One od the peices of eden that is located in Britian could be a sword? as there are more apples than one, it makes sense tht there could be more of the other PoE's aswell, the reason for the sword? well, King arthurs sword was a PoE.

LightRey
12-07-2010, 12:38 AM
yeah, but that's probably the same one as Joan of Arc's sword (at least that's what I can remember from the Truth) and she had it after Arthur did.

Steelbadger
12-07-2010, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
yeah, but that's probably the same one as Joan of Arc's sword (at least that's what I can remember from the Truth) and she had it after Arthur did.

Joan of Arc probably got the sword at some point in 1424, the map we see was probably current when Altair saw it in 1191.

The Scottish Relic, whatever it may be, is probably related to Macbeth.

BearViking
12-07-2010, 04:28 AM
The Assassins Creed Wiki has a list of temple and Piece locations taken from Altair's Codex. There look to be about 50 Pieces.
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Pieces_of_Eden

Minerva says the temples were built by those who turned away from war and were working to "save us from the fire."
We know at least some of the Pieces are lost forever, including the staff that Tesla destroyed and the one that Abstergo destroyed. We could assume that joining all the pieces together will create some kind of machine to protect the world from another solar flair, however that would be an impossible task since 2 of them are gone forever.
Not all of them have mind control powers. The shroud has the ability to heal and resurrect the dead. One piece has the ability to manipulate time. The swords abilities are unknown and don't appear to be mind-control (since no one believed Joan of Arc) and may have something to do with perceived divine intervention, since so many of its owners were spoken to by gods. There may be one that is responsible for the virus that decimated Africa (I don't think they ever mention the source of the virus so it may be unrelated).

SAVMATIC
12-07-2010, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
Advanced Mayan technology would be silly. Those guys were running around in loin cloth, clubbing each other in a coma with crude weapons
Completely wrong information.

SAVMATIC
12-07-2010, 09:14 AM
Btw is someone saying Atlantis was under Antarctica??? No, it was where the Bermuda Triangle is

LightRey
12-07-2010, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Steelbadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
yeah, but that's probably the same one as Joan of Arc's sword (at least that's what I can remember from the Truth) and she had it after Arthur did.

Joan of Arc probably got the sword at some point in 1424, the map we see was probably current when Altair saw it in 1191.

The Scottish Relic, whatever it may be, is probably related to Macbeth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
oh right. Stupid me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

LightRey
12-07-2010, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by SAVMATIC:
Btw is someone saying Atlantis was under Antarctica??? No, it was where the Bermuda Triangle is
Atlantis is supposed to be somewhere in the ATLANTIC. There's no relation with the Bermuda Triangle.
Antarctica actually makes sense though. It's covered in ice, which is a state of water, and according to Plato it's supposed to have been as big as a continent.

Edit: oh, sry for double posting. I'm a little slow today.

SAVMATIC
12-07-2010, 09:35 AM
whether or not its atlantis it is the site of a major sunken city, and it align perfectly with the dragon triangle in japan, where it also appears there is a sunken ancient city. Also, Dwarka, India may be even older than Atlantis was.

LightRey
12-07-2010, 09:38 AM
You do realize that the only actual documentation of the city of Atlantis comes from Plato, right?

Razrback16
12-07-2010, 09:45 AM
Atlantis's supposed location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...is_map_1882_crop.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atlantis_map_1882_crop.jpg)

YHHTQ
12-07-2010, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
You do realize that the only actual documentation of the city of Atlantis comes from Plato, right?

I was under the impression Atlantis was actually a continent... City too, but above all, an entire continent.

LightRey
12-07-2010, 09:56 AM
from Plato's dialogue of Timaeus:

For it is related in our records how once upon a time your State stayed the course of a mighty host, which, starting from a distant point in the Atlantic ocean, was insolently advancing to attack the whole of Europe, and Asia to boot. For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together; and it was possible for the travelers of that time to cross from it to the other islands, and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them which encompasses that veritable ocean. For all that we have here, lying within the mouth of which we speak, is evidently a haven having a narrow entrance; but that yonder is a real ocean, and the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power, which held sway over all the island, and over many other islands also and parts of the continent.
Note: When they mention Asia they don't mean the continent, they mean Turkey and the lands east to that.

F4H bandicoot
12-08-2010, 12:25 AM
Hate to break it but antarctitca is the ONLY POSSIBLE place where atlantis could be. Why?
Well, Atlantis is described as a large set of small mountainous islands, with rivers flowing between each island (think about it like a delta top) There are no landmass disturbances AT ALL anywhere in the atlantic, pacific or indian ocean, so atlantis can not be there.

The piri res map of th 15-16th century clearly chow antarctica, before it had iced over, the map is incredibly accurate even by todays standard, No one had the map making skills to create a map of this quality as shown by a spanish mapmaker, who plotted a map of south americac never having actually seen it and when the spainish arrived, his maps got drastically WORSE. The link? they both used incredibly old sources which they admitted to, according to geologyers, antactica become icey hundreds of thousands of years ago, but not according to these maps

LightRey
12-08-2010, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
Hate to break it but antarctitca is the ONLY POSSIBLE place where atlantis could be. Why?
Well, Atlantis is described as a large set of small mountainous islands, with rivers flowing between each island (think about it like a delta top) There are no landmass disturbances AT ALL anywhere in the atlantic, pacific or indian ocean, so atlantis can not be there.

The piri res map of th 15-16th century clearly chow antarctica, before it had iced over, the map is incredibly accurate even by todays standard, No one had the map making skills to create a map of this quality as shown by a spanish mapmaker, who plotted a map of south americac never having actually seen it and when the spainish arrived, his maps got drastically WORSE. The link? they both used incredibly old sources which they admitted to, according to geologyers, antactica become icey hundreds of thousands of years ago, but not according to these maps
and you base this on what exactly?

F4H bandicoot
12-08-2010, 01:31 PM
a. Have you read the whole thread lightrey? just interested!

b. Graham hancocks books, namely Fingerprints of the gods. (good book [Y])

LightRey
12-08-2010, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
a. Have you read the whole thread lightrey? just interested!

b. Graham hancocks books, namely Fingerprints of the gods. (good book [Y])
a. Yes. Why? Did I miss something?
b. You do realize that that book is based on a book based on the only (sort of) actual account of Atlantis, which was written thousands of years ago by Plato, right?

payrob07
12-09-2010, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by mikini:
Here, just made a map of all of the Pieces of Eden and what countries they are in. In some locations it is not to clear, so I have put down a couple.

Key
1) Scotland
2) South England
3) France/Spain
4) West coast of Africa (Could be Canary Islands or just off Cape Verde)
5) Morocco
5) Sierra Leone or Guinea
7) Mali or Niger
8) Kenya or Tanzania
9) Egypt
10) Iraq, Jordan Or Saudi Arabia
11) Romania or Ukraine
12) Ukraine or Russia
13) Russia
14) Iran
15) India

Map
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/mikeh21_2006/mapofPoE.png

10 is the modern day Iraq, so it is most likely Babylon. Or Saudi Arabia which would = Mecca.

F4H bandicoot
12-09-2010, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mouse03:
She does say she was human. She says "we simply came before".

There are theories (conspiracy mostly) that ancient civilisations were infact something like what Minerva is/was. The old joke that aliens built the pyramids etc.
well someone else built the sphinx, becuse that has water erosion from around 10,000 bc.

And im just chucking this out there. You all know about plate tectonics yes?, well there is now a small movevment of scientists who believe that there is also a much larger form of this, kind of like the crust 'slipping' so continents and plates change location VERY quickly, (this is backed up my evidence form siberia, The speed the wiscosnion ice sheet melted, and the fact antarctica is in an ice age) some are even saying that Antarcica only arrived at its present location around 20,000 to 10,000 b.c.e, Antarctica is made up of islands, with rivers (obviously iced over now, duh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,) Right, so to put that into persepctive, Antartica COULD be atlantis, and Atlantis could be where the ones who came before lived. MAYBE
source: http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/fotg/default.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
page 8 onwards light rey, all the info you need about my theory is located there

F4H bandicoot
12-11-2010, 01:53 PM
15= rajasthan?

Mr_Andrade
12-11-2010, 07:23 PM
i think it could have something to do with atlantis like the missing city you see a large city in subject 16 video's but i think that the ones came before where here first and had been for milioens of years till the where whiped out by the sun and some pieces of eden survived but i hope we get to play with desmond more but without guns

F4H bandicoot
12-12-2010, 09:07 AM
IS stonhenge one of the temples??

LightRey
12-12-2010, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by steven.a1988:
i think it could have something to do with atlantis like the missing city you see a large city in subject 16 video's but i think that the ones came before where here first and had been for milioens of years till the where whiped out by the sun and some pieces of eden survived but i hope we get to play with desmond more but without guns
Please use punctuation marks. They have this great effect on a text that makes it NOT hard to read.
The city in the Truth video is most likely Eden and as you can see a mountain that strongly resembles Mt. Kilimanjaro in the background so it's most likely in Africa.

xray_4
12-12-2010, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
Hate to break it but antarctitca is the ONLY POSSIBLE place where atlantis could be. Why?
Well, Atlantis is described as a large set of small mountainous islands, with rivers flowing between each island (think about it like a delta top) There are no landmass disturbances AT ALL anywhere in the atlantic, pacific or indian ocean, so atlantis can not be there.

The piri res map of th 15-16th century clearly chow antarctica, before it had iced over, the map is incredibly accurate even by todays standard, No one had the map making skills to create a map of this quality as shown by a spanish mapmaker, who plotted a map of south americac never having actually seen it and when the spainish arrived, his maps got drastically WORSE. The link? they both used incredibly old sources which they admitted to, according to geologyers, antactica become icey hundreds of thousands of years ago, but not according to these maps

Actually there are several things that could have happened to Atlantis if it ever exsisted. Top of my list is its fate was the same that will happen to Japan one of these days and just slip into the ocean. Also ice core samples from Antarctica prove that the ice there has been around for a long time. I trust science when it comes to stuff like that.

F4H bandicoot
12-12-2010, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by xray_4:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bandicoot17:
Hate to break it but antarctitca is the ONLY POSSIBLE place where atlantis could be. Why?
Well, Atlantis is described as a large set of small mountainous islands, with rivers flowing between each island (think about it like a delta top) There are no landmass disturbances AT ALL anywhere in the atlantic, pacific or indian ocean, so atlantis can not be there.

The piri res map of th 15-16th century clearly chow antarctica, before it had iced over, the map is incredibly accurate even by todays standard, No one had the map making skills to create a map of this quality as shown by a spanish mapmaker, who plotted a map of south americac never having actually seen it and when the spainish arrived, his maps got drastically WORSE. The link? they both used incredibly old sources which they admitted to, according to geologyers, antactica become icey hundreds of thousands of years ago, but not according to these maps

Actually there are several things that could have happened to Atlantis if it ever exsisted. Top of my list is its fate was the same that will happen to Japan one of these days and just slip into the ocean. Also ice core samples from Antarctica prove that the ice there has been around for a long time. I trust science when it comes to stuff like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, thats the theory presented in the book, but its not just about atlantis, its about the fact that there could have been an ancient civilisation, that was wiped out, and left behind little evidence of their existance, its a good book that will challenge your views on history.
Some facts
antarctica is actually going through an ice age, (i Asked a geologist)
the most recent time antarctica could have arrived at its current location was around 18,000 years ago this time period corresponds the the rapid 'destruction' of the ice age of that time period (can't remember exact dates(i have a life http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))
If japan slipped into the ocean then there would be a substanstial land mass left behind that would be there for millenia, no such land mass exists in any ocean that would have been large enough for atlantis,
however, the only significant land mass to disappear in geologically recent times is antarctica.
Antarctica is made up of mountains, rivers and small islands, atlantis is described like this.
technically antarctica disappeared under the sea.

if you want more, go read the book http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DevannyRoman
08-14-2011, 04:56 PM
i think the apple and other pieces are real and i think who has the apple could bend man kind its self to their devannyroman@yahoo.com will

LightRey
08-14-2011, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by bandicoot17:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xray_4:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bandicoot17:
Hate to break it but antarctitca is the ONLY POSSIBLE place where atlantis could be. Why?
Well, Atlantis is described as a large set of small mountainous islands, with rivers flowing between each island (think about it like a delta top) There are no landmass disturbances AT ALL anywhere in the atlantic, pacific or indian ocean, so atlantis can not be there.

The piri res map of th 15-16th century clearly chow antarctica, before it had iced over, the map is incredibly accurate even by todays standard, No one had the map making skills to create a map of this quality as shown by a spanish mapmaker, who plotted a map of south americac never having actually seen it and when the spainish arrived, his maps got drastically WORSE. The link? they both used incredibly old sources which they admitted to, according to geologyers, antactica become icey hundreds of thousands of years ago, but not according to these maps

Actually there are several things that could have happened to Atlantis if it ever exsisted. Top of my list is its fate was the same that will happen to Japan one of these days and just slip into the ocean. Also ice core samples from Antarctica prove that the ice there has been around for a long time. I trust science when it comes to stuff like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, thats the theory presented in the book, but its not just about atlantis, its about the fact that there could have been an ancient civilisation, that was wiped out, and left behind little evidence of their existance, its a good book that will challenge your views on history.
Some facts
antarctica is actually going through an ice age, (i Asked a geologist)
the most recent time antarctica could have arrived at its current location was around 18,000 years ago this time period corresponds the the rapid 'destruction' of the ice age of that time period (can't remember exact dates(i have a life http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))
If japan slipped into the ocean then there would be a substanstial land mass left behind that would be there for millenia, no such land mass exists in any ocean that would have been large enough for atlantis,
however, the only significant land mass to disappear in geologically recent times is antarctica.
Antarctica is made up of mountains, rivers and small islands, atlantis is described like this.
technically antarctica disappeared under the sea.

if you want more, go read the book http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
but, really that's only evidence for the possibility that there was an ancient civilization living on Antarctica. The only other thing we really have to go on is Plato's story, which could likely have been fictional.

Jexx21
08-14-2011, 11:06 PM
I love that this topic was brought up by either a troll, a hacker, or an insane person.

I'm gonna bet on 2 of the 3 being true.