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TgD Thunderbolt56
09-05-2006, 09:45 AM
Over the years I've seen so many pictures and read so many stories of battle-damaged aircraft that, at times, shouldn't even be able to remain airborn only to fly hundreds of miles and still land.

My question is...Has anyone seen (or read, or heard) of specific instances where an aircraft's tires failed as a result of damage? It would seem the rubber and relatively unprotected landing gear would have been a common reason for some rather precarious landings, but I can't remeber ever reading that an otherwise 'healthy' aircraft failed on approach due to a popped tire.


Anyone?



TB

berg417448
09-05-2006, 09:54 AM
I've read about a few B-17s that encountered those landing situations. Sometimes they chose to belly land because they knew the gear was damamged. I've seen video of one landing with only one main gear extended.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/200...L.TMP&type=printable (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/05/31/MEDAL.TMP&type=printable)


B-17 making landing in Switzerland with one blown tire:
http://www.jmi.com/WWII/last_mission.html

horseback
09-05-2006, 10:00 AM
Must've happened all the time. If one tire out of four blowing at high speed is potentially catastrophic for a car, I have to believe that having one out of two main gear tires blowing on an aircraft landing at even higher speeds would qualify as a Bad Thing.

The only mentions I have noted of it, though, is when it's just one more complication in an already hairy landing.

May have been considered a common operational hazard, so obvious that it wasn't mentioned often.

cheers

horseback

Kuna_
09-05-2006, 10:12 AM
I know some occasion when FW-190 pilot lined up for landing and he saw that landing gear light didn't showed up, indicating that there is a problem with the landing gear. So he throttled up and went into another try this time wheels up.

After he perfectly crash-landed his mechanic has informed him that in fact everything was ok regarding landing gear, gears extended fully, but unfortunately he has forgotten to repair that small green indicator lamp (replace the broken with new bulb).

p1ngu666
09-05-2006, 10:23 AM
yeah ive read of it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. the tyres are probably pretty thick (they can be really big, depending on aircraft), that might make them more robust than u might expect.

R_Target
09-05-2006, 10:32 AM
Plenty of carrier landing blowouts, especially on very early Corsairs. Shot-out tires though....hard to tell.

x6BL_Brando
09-05-2006, 12:46 PM
Brassey's Air Combat Reader - ISBN 1-57488-243-0

Chapter 9 - A thousand shall fall by Murray Peden.

After a God-awful trip to bomb Gelsenkirchen - Happy Valley, concentrated searchlights and heavy, synchronised flak - B-17 F-Fox is attacked by an Me-410 and seriously damaged. The starboard-inner engine catches fire and cannot be feathered. The subsequent need to climb, stall, dive and climb again, ad nauseum , with the engine constantly catching fire when it windmills makes a gripping story with unrelieved tension all the way onto the deck.

Topically, here's a couple of quotes.

"I prepared to make the best landing that I could.
We touched down very lightly, and for a few seconds I began to relax. But our troubles were not over. One of the German fighters had shot our right tire into useless pulp. ..... In a second or two we were down to the hub and beginning to veer ... I tried to correct the swing with a touch of brake, only to discover ... hydraulics had been shot out"

He tries throttle up the starboard outer, but it doesn't respond...and full left rudder makes no difference...so the Fort rolls on, veering right, until...

"Out of the darkness 50 yards in front of us, the silhouette of a Lancaster suddenly loomed up directly in our path....[and] we collided at 75 miles an hour, severing it completely a few feet to the rear of of its mid-upper turret......"

The end of the story is even more hair-raising, when the crew of F-Fox meet the pilot of the Lanc, who informs them that his plane contains an un-dropped 12,000Lb bomb in its bay!

B.

FritzGryphon
09-05-2006, 02:14 PM
I recall reading about bombers that would have 1 tire punctured by damage, and the crew would deliberately shoot out the other tire so they could land safely.

Can't think of a specific case, though.

p1ngu666
09-05-2006, 08:23 PM
http://www.flightglobal.com/ImageArchive/PhotoArchive/1939-1945/fa_18296s.aspx

shows the size of the tyres http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-06-2006, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
Brassey's Air Combat Reader - ISBN 1-57488-243-0

Chapter 9 - A thousand shall fall by Murray Peden.

After a God-awful trip to bomb Gelsenkirchen - Happy Valley, concentrated searchlights and heavy, synchronised flak - B-17 F-Fox is attacked by an Me-410 and seriously damaged. The starboard-inner engine catches fire and cannot be feathered. The subsequent need to climb, stall, dive and climb again, ad nauseum , with the engine constantly catching fire when it windmills makes a gripping story with unrelieved tension all the way onto the deck.

Topically, here's a couple of quotes.

"I prepared to make the best landing that I could.
We touched down very lightly, and for a few seconds I began to relax. But our troubles were not over. One of the German fighters had shot our right tire into useless pulp. ..... In a second or two we were down to the hub and beginning to veer ... I tried to correct the swing with a touch of brake, only to discover ... hydraulics had been shot out"

He tries throttle up the starboard outer, but it doesn't respond...and full left rudder makes no difference...so the Fort rolls on, veering right, until...

"Out of the darkness 50 yards in front of us, the silhouette of a Lancaster suddenly loomed up directly in our path....[and] we collided at 75 miles an hour, severing it completely a few feet to the rear of of its mid-upper turret......"

The end of the story is even more hair-raising, when the crew of F-Fox meet the pilot of the Lanc, who informs them that his plane contains an un-dropped 12,000Lb bomb in its bay!

B.

Cool post Brando. That's the kind of thing I was looking for. I've done more than my share of reading and have only seen a scarce few examples of tire ("tyre" for you English lads) related incidents.


TB

Jagdgeschwader2
09-06-2006, 06:28 AM
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