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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 07:46 AM
I flew a coop today no biggie, some zeros Vs the P-51 and had some B17's in the run.

Well after all is said an done the players were all shot down, and three B17's manage to hit the bomb run. Again no biggie, except one lost its rudder, and it flipped flopped the whole way across the map, to where when it came to landing it straightened out like it had no problem.

I recorded this whole mission and watched for about 15 minutes just to see if the bomber would make it or not, and low and behold when it came to landing, it flew like it wasn't even damaged. Once on the ground it also managed to turn as if it was not damaged. I can only assume it was using left / right brakes to turn like in cfs, which in il-2 we don't have that option.

Granted this post doesn't seem like much, but if you see it you'll understand. Only problem is i don't have enough room on my website for the track, so anyone who may be interested in seeing the track feel free to e-mail me and i'll send it to you at. PlatinumDragon70@yahoo.com

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 07:46 AM
I flew a coop today no biggie, some zeros Vs the P-51 and had some B17's in the run.

Well after all is said an done the players were all shot down, and three B17's manage to hit the bomb run. Again no biggie, except one lost its rudder, and it flipped flopped the whole way across the map, to where when it came to landing it straightened out like it had no problem.

I recorded this whole mission and watched for about 15 minutes just to see if the bomber would make it or not, and low and behold when it came to landing, it flew like it wasn't even damaged. Once on the ground it also managed to turn as if it was not damaged. I can only assume it was using left / right brakes to turn like in cfs, which in il-2 we don't have that option.

Granted this post doesn't seem like much, but if you see it you'll understand. Only problem is i don't have enough room on my website for the track, so anyone who may be interested in seeing the track feel free to e-mail me and i'll send it to you at. PlatinumDragon70@yahoo.com

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 07:58 AM
You have left and right brakes in FB. Turn your rudder and apply the brakes. The brake on that side will be the only one activated. Also a multi engined plane can turn with the engines as well.

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 10:08 AM
Key word is turn your rudder, but in my post as i said the plane had no rudder.

This for landing means nothing, if you could only see how it flew all the way home you would understand. I mean this pilot had a work out and i bet his arm's were hurting in the end.

I mean being realistic about things there is no way a pilot would fly this bomber the way it was, they would of just bailed.

Don't get me wrong i'm not complaining i just thought it was funny and wished to share it. As i said all players including myself were already shot down. But folks always post about damage here and there, well see how one flies without a rudder, not to mention landing.

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 10:34 AM
I think differential braking works even if your rudder is no longer operational.
Anyway... Nice story.

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 10:57 AM
Don't mean to hijack or spell-whine, but I've just noticed
alot of native english speaker (which I'm not) saying
"low and behold". Isn't it "lo and behold"?

XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 12:11 PM
olaleier wrote:
- Don't mean to hijack or spell-whine, but I've just
- noticed
- alot of native english speaker (which I'm not)
- saying
- "low and behold". Isn't it "lo and behold"?
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-

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 12:18 PM
i guess he was adusting the engines to act like a rudder, sorta
its tough tho, and i dont think any crew would want to bail over jap teritory


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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 02:01 PM
olaleier wrote:
- Don't mean to hijack or spell-whine, but I've just
- noticed
- alot of native english speaker (which I'm not)
- saying
- "low and behold". Isn't it "lo and behold"?
-
-


No, it means to fly very low recon . . . just kidding /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Seriously, nobody butchers the English language worse than its own speakers. And . . . I don't want to hear any
anti-bad-English comments from our Brit friends . . . you guys have a way of hacking up the language that is all your own. LOL


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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 02:21 PM
- Well after all is said an done the players were all
- shot down, and three B17's manage to hit the bomb
- run. Again no biggie, except one lost its rudder,
- and it flipped flopped the whole way across the map,
- to where when it came to landing it straightened out
- like it had no problem.


I have no idea whether a real B17 crew would bail out after losing a rudder. Certainly the odds of every single crewmember surviving a bailout, especially over hostile territory, weren't 100% and many crews liked to stay in the aircraft until a bailout was completely unavoidable.

The 'runway' routine for aircraft is largely scripted from what I understand. It's possible to disrupt it by shooting the aircraft and making it lose a wing or a gear strut. Otherwise they'll do a perfect 360 turn on the ground to get back to the parking zone every time. I believe this is to help avoid the landing collision problems which have plagued the game since the Il-2 demo.



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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 04:26 PM
I seem to remember reading a good many stories of B-17s that made it home with no rudders and even worse problems. Quite a rugged aircraft.

From "The B-17 - The Flying Fort" by Martin Caiden:

"The B-17: .... a great and gallant plane--a plane that could absorb three thousand enemy bullets, fly with no rudder, and complete its mission on two engines."

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 04:28 PM
There are numerous references of B-17's with incredible amounts of damage making it back and landing, including one with most or all of it's rudders or stabilizers missing - one quick website to check is http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/tail.htm were you can see actual pictures of some of the craft.

Other links are
http://www.303rdbga.com/pp-42-39785-tail.html
http://www.bates-r-us.org/abitolace/mustcrew/mustcrew.htm
http://www.b17bomber.de/english/index.htm




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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 06:37 PM
Lol, nice pic's there, which i know they can fly with heavy damage, but the flip flopping look like a fish out of water. Plus it stayed in formation for the most part by going side to side and rolling up and over on its back then down again, then up the other way.

So i watched and recorded just to see it try and land, then of course when it got to the airfield, it landed like it had no damage at all i would say just as perfect as any other plane.

As for the crashing on the runways well now every plane that lands only parks a few minutes then dissappears, which if you ask me is worse then when they would crash into each other.

You could avoid the crashing by using less planes, now it doesn't matter.

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 06:48 PM
- As for the crashing on the runways well now every
- plane that lands only parks a few minutes then
- dissappears, which if you ask me is worse then when
- they would crash into each other.

Apparently this is to do with DCG and proper kill-tallying behaviour. No planes in the parking area means no mission failures due to accidents there. Apparently this was not entirely resolved in 1.11 but I haven't seen any reports of planes exploding mysteriously after parking in 1.21.

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- You could avoid the crashing by using less planes,
- now it doesn't matter.
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I always got around it by staggering the flights so each flight of 4 had a good 4 minutes or so to land. Usually worked out pretty well.

There is a lot wrong with DCG that could be fixed by simple mission tweaks, quite do-able via the .mis files.




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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 08:31 PM
A long time ago, back in the days of FB1.0, I was playing online with the Cess squad in HL, in a B239, when a 190 dived on me, and shot away my rudder and vertical stabilizer. I was able to maintain my heading by rolling from one side to another, and successfully landed while being strafed on the far side of the island. I will dig out the screenshots, if you want to see them...

XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 05:34 PM
AF Bulldog wrote:
"You have left and right brakes in FB. Turn your rudder and apply the brakes. The brake on that side will be the only one activated. Also a multi engined plane can turn with the engines as well."

Only problem is that your diff. braking no longer works if your rudder has quit working, or is no longer present. More than once I have returned from a mission where I got my rudder cables cut, only to run into the control tower because I couldn't get my plane to turn on the ground. Using the brakes with my rudders didn't help at all.

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