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HotelBushranger
04-09-2006, 04:43 AM
About bloody time!

http://www.kokodathemovie.com.au/

CANNOT WAIT

ploughman
04-09-2006, 04:51 AM
Wow, can't wait too. Out in a couple of weeks aswell, how'd that evade my radar?

Taylortony
04-09-2006, 04:53 AM
Phew............. for a minute I thought they were gonna ship you all back to the Mother Country... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
04-09-2006, 06:16 AM
Looks Good and nice to see the Ozzies war effort getting some cinema time for a change http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Feathered_IV
04-09-2006, 06:20 AM
Just watched the trailer. Hmmm.

Could go either way. If they do it with a bit of restraint and don't turn it into a 'We came. We saw. We remained laconic' fest, it could come out okay (I've been waiting for this one for a while too).
Fingers crossed. Maybe the guy from Hey Hey its Saturday will cop it early.

panther3485
04-09-2006, 06:23 AM
Looks good to me!

panther3485

HotelBushranger
04-09-2006, 07:46 AM
Yeah, the only thing I'm worried about for this one is, in the trailer for a split second it looked as if one of the blokes was trussed up, prisoner style. Well, in PNG neither side took prisoners, and this would be a serious breach of historical accuracy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif But its good to read they actually got to meet the surviving 39th blokes. Top stuff.

For this one, I'd rather a more moving and meaningful film than an action one.

vocatx
04-09-2006, 09:02 AM
Does anyone know if this will be released in the U.S.? I would love to see it. Also, I'm glad to see a historically based movie coming from Australia. I hope this isn't the last. Hopefully it will be much better than some of the latest offerings from Hollywood.

Waldo.Pepper
04-09-2006, 11:34 AM
Very nice looking.

-HH-Dubbo
04-09-2006, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Yeah, the only thing I'm worried about for this one is, in the trailer for a split second it looked as if one of the blokes was trussed up, prisoner style. Well, in PNG neither side took prisoners, and this would be a serious breach of historical accuracy

The general practice was to not take prisoners but if you didn't want to kill someone straight away,(whether you were holding them to be interviewed or to keep the meat fresh for longer), you'd truss them up, prisoner style, no?

I wouldn't let something like that annoy you HBR. No one can say for sure if no-one was ever taken prisoner and besides, captured Aussies were harder to behead if they were free to run around.

The movie looks like it could be good. I wonder if it's going to hit the north american market and whether it'll be straight to video if it does. That will be a shame but better than nothing at all.

PBNA-Boosher
04-09-2006, 01:04 PM
I wish this would come to the US. It's about time that US citizens got to know that the US wasn't the only country that fought in WW2, despite the countless times I've tried to tell them.

NS38th_Aristaus
04-09-2006, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I wish this would come to the US. It's about time that US citizens got to know that the US wasn't the only country that fought in WW2, despite the countless times I've tried to tell them.
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horseback
04-09-2006, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I wish this would come to the US. It's about time that US citizens got to know that the US wasn't the only country that fought in WW2, despite the countless times I've tried to tell them. Oh, please. Everyone of my generation knew it, if only because of the episode of McHale's Navy where Tim Conway was disguised as an Aussie major who smacked Captain Brassbottom with his swagger stick...

Any American who doesn't know we had Allies simply wasn't paying attention (or the schools are really going down the porcelain fixture these days...).

cheers

horseback

T_O_A_D
04-09-2006, 03:25 PM
Dang I want to see it. The trailer looks good. Wonder how long till we can find it over here, in the States.

MB_Avro_UK
04-09-2006, 03:57 PM
Hi all,

I hope that this is a good film and does the Aussies justice for their valour. Their contribution and sacrifice in WW2 for some reason is often forgotten http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Does anyone remember a mini-series called 'Heroes'? It was a true story about a successful Australian commando raid on Japanese held islands.(There were as I remember a couple of Brits in the team). Good series but all or most were captured and beheaded by the Japanese in very cruel cirumstances.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

ploughman
04-09-2006, 04:39 PM
Was that the one where they kayaked for a few hundred kilometres, holed up on an island near Singapore and then popped in and sank a bunch of ships?

Tough stuff, I have trouble getting out of bed most of the time.

-HH-Dubbo
04-09-2006, 05:05 PM
I remember. It had Cameron Daddo in it.

It was about the sea kayak raid on Singapore Harbour. The Krait was an ex-Japanese fishing boat, the Ko***u Maru, that a civilian stole and used to transport refugees out of Sumatra. It was handed over to the RAN and was re-engined and then use to transport commandos & operatives deep into Japanese waters.

The mini-series portays the raid on Singapore harbour in late '43. Operation Jaywick. To pass for native fishermen, everyone on board covered themselves in a dark dye and went about in traditional dress. 50 miles short of the target 3 crews of 2 men each were sent off in collapsable sea kayaks. I think it took them 3 days to cover the distance (at night) to the harbour and they managed to sink a bunch of shipping with limpet mines. They then paddled back for pick-up by the Krait. They almost didn't make it and had a few close calls but in the end the raid was a success.

So much so that another raid of a grander scale was initialised. Operation Rimau. This one was doomed to failure and after stealing a junk en-route all the commandos were captured or killed. (This time they were going to use mini-submersibles called the MSC or motorised submersible canoe which was as ungainly as it sounds.) The POWs were excecuted just before the end of the war.

The same director made a mini-series called "Heroes II - The Return" in 1992 and this covered Operation Rimau.

All this was kept secret until years after the war and most of the combatants' families never knew what had happened to their sons/brothers/fathers until much later.

The Krait was sold after the war and used around PNG as a lugger until it was rescued and restored and now sits at the Maritime Museum in Darling Harbour. The commander of the missions, Captain Bob Page was one of the raiders who was excecuted.

There is book about the Krait missions that the mini-series was based on. I would pass on the info to you but I loaned the book to Jensenpark and I will be lucky to ever see it again and I can't remember who the author was. A real eye-opener.

WTE_Galway
04-09-2006, 09:33 PM
yay for the colonies

Good old Winston Churchill at that time wanted the australian troops shipped to India to defend India instead .. because it was more important strategically to the English.

Meanwhile Macarthur wasnt that interested in defending anything north of Brisbane.

In addition neither the English nor the Americans beleived teh japanese would actually try and attack across the New Guinea Highlands, despite the fact that they took Singapore by attacking through supposedly "unpassable" jungle. (The Germans did the same thing in France)

Phas3e
04-10-2006, 12:25 AM
Cool,
I hope they release it here in NZ I wouldnt mind seeing it, but I might have to aquire it via other means.

Gumtree
04-10-2006, 01:40 AM
folk,s
Prisoners were taken in the New Guinea campain and yes prisoners were found murdered after the enemy had withdrawn.

To get a real feel for the campain that was conducted in this new movie I highly recommend reading Peter Brune's "Ragged Bloody Heroes" or his more extensive account of Australian operations in the SW Pacific caled "A Bastard Of A Place"

Both books are published by ALLEN and Unwin and are not for the faint hearted.

Ragged Bloody Heroes is the definative account of the 39th Battallions stand against overwhelming odds in the mountainous and jungle covered tracks that the fighting took place over during this grueling time in the second world war.

HotelBushranger
04-10-2006, 04:32 AM
Whilst yes there were prisoners in the overall PNG campaign, I would bet my left nut that there weren't any in the Kokoda campaign. The simple reason was that, it was impossible to accomodate such. An escort of at least 2 fighting men would be needed to take him back, 4 if wounded for a stretcher, so 4 men from an already depleted Battalion of men. Also, the prisoner would have to get food. Well it would have been hard, because not even the Aussies had food, they didn't eat for days, up to weeks on end.

2 other great books at Kokoda by Paul Ham and Kokoda by Peter Fitzsgerald. Paul Hams book also covers the fighting in Gona, Buna and Sanananda, as well as Milne Bay. However Fitsys is a lot more emotional, and always strikes a cord whenever I read it.

os5vd4si2fsijd1
04-10-2006, 12:50 PM
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GerritJ9
04-10-2006, 03:55 PM
The book's title is "Return of the Tiger" by Brian Connell. My copy is a Pan pocket, but it doesn't have an ISBN on it, and this edition was printed in 1971, originally published in 1960.
The missions were masterminded by Lt. Col. Ivan Lyon, and the second mission was named after the tiger tattooed on his chest, Rimau being Malay for tiger.

MB_Avro_UK
04-10-2006, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
yay for the colonies

Good old Winston Churchill at that time wanted the australian troops shipped to India to defend India instead .. because it was more important strategically to the English.

Meanwhile Macarthur wasnt that interested in defending anything north of Brisbane.

In addition neither the English nor the Americans beleived teh japanese would actually try and attack across the New Guinea Highlands, despite the fact that they took Singapore by attacking through supposedly "unpassable" jungle. (The Germans did the same thing in France)

Yay Galaway,

And what did the Irish contribute in WW2 against the Nazis? Irish Prime Minister in 1945 signed the condolence book in the German Embassy in Dublin for the death of Hitler.

Please do not take the **** out of the British and the Aussies and the rest of the Commonwealth for standing up against tyranny.

I am half Irish from Cork and I take offence at your comments. Thousands of Irish guys were killed fighting Germany in WW1 but no doubt you consider them traitors ??

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

WTE_Galway
04-10-2006, 06:38 PM
Only my great grandparents were Irish Avro

third generation Australian


The point was that the New Guinea operation was fought by amost entirely Australian and New Zealand Forces and even then against objections from the British and Americans who wanted the Australian forces used elsewhere.

-HH-Dubbo
04-10-2006, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by GerritJ9:
The book's title is "Return of the Tiger" by Brian Connell. My copy is a Pan pocket, but it doesn't have an ISBN on it, and this edition was printed in 1971, originally published in 1960.
The missions were masterminded by Lt. Col. Ivan Lyon, and the second mission was named after the tiger tattooed on his chest, Rimau being Malay for tiger.

That book was pretty good but it tackled the raid from material obtained from Lyon's family and as a result, lacked the research of the other book. A lot of it was speculation.

The book I was thinking of is actually called "The Heroes" written by Ronald McKie and this is what the mini-series was based on. In the book he also outlines the lengths he had to go to, to find information on the raids.
He tracked down a Japanese civilian interpreter that befriended the Rimau survivors whilst they were being held as POWs (thus discovering their fate) and also had extensive interviews with Ted Carse (the skipper of the Krait for operation Jaywick) and other surviving members.

If you can find it, grab it. The mini-series was, like the raids, a joint Aussie-British production. It screened on network Ten in Australia in 1988 or 89. The sequel was done in 1992.

And I could have sworn it wasn't THAT long ago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hawgdog
04-10-2006, 08:06 PM
cool
trailer was pretty hooking

aussies is one tough bugga!

blakduk
04-10-2006, 08:08 PM
I have learned over the past few years to not get too excited over Australian movies- they have been terrible lately. It seems all our talent has gone overseas to get involved in bigger projects.
The New Guinea campaign was an extraordinary one, fought in an environment that neither side was adequately equipped to survive in. I just hope the director is good and the cast is up to the challenge. It's a very difficult story to tell.
One of the best portrayals i've seen of the war in the pacific was 'The Thin Red Line'- if it can reach that standard they will have done well.

strewth
04-10-2006, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Gumtree:
folk,s
Prisoners were taken in the New Guinea campain and yes prisoners were found murdered after the enemy had withdrawn.

To get a real feel for the campain that was conducted in this new movie I highly recommend reading Peter Brune's "Ragged Bloody Heroes" or his more extensive account of Australian operations in the SW Pacific caled "A Bastard Of A Place"

Both books are published by ALLEN and Unwin and are not for the faint hearted.

Ragged Bloody Heroes is the definative account of the 39th Battallions stand against overwhelming odds in the mountainous and jungle covered tracks that the fighting took place over during this grueling time in the second world war.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gifRagged Bloody Heroes is a fantastic book and mighty sad at the end when Blamey accused them of cowardice basically.

YAKMAN1968
04-11-2006, 02:38 AM
In the muesum at Victoria Barracks in Brisbane they have one of the kayaks from Operation Jaywick. The unit was known as "Z Force" their training base was on Frazer Island in mortern bay the site is still there but all you'll find today is some rusted drums,concert slabs & an old truck frame. They used to paddle to the port of brisbane & redcliffe to practise for there mission & where NEVER caught out once.

panther3485
04-11-2006, 03:46 AM
Hi blakduk

Quote:
"One of the best portrayals i've seen of the war in the pacific was 'The Thin Red Line'- if it can reach that standard they will have done well."

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Interesting how opinions differ on that movie. I wasn't favourably impressed by it, so I for one am hoping 'Kokoda' isn't anything like that!

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Best regards,
panther3485

ploughman
04-11-2006, 03:53 AM
The Thin Red Line was a bit of a strange one for me. There's some of that 'Apocalypse Now' style psychological wierdness that I just didn't really get from the James Jones book, but the assault on the hill and the bunker complex is almost word for word from the book and I found that bit rivetting. The one thing I did like from The Thin Red Line was the sound of the wind in the grass as the guys moved up the hill to assault it. Sort of Wind in the Willows meets the Battle Cry of Freedom, now that'd be a film.

Proberton
04-11-2006, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
About bloody time!

http://www.kokodathemovie.com.au/

CANNOT WAIT

I seen the preview up in Townsville. It looks good.

HotelBushranger
04-11-2006, 04:50 AM
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