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Pirschjaeger
08-27-2006, 11:11 AM
Hi all,

been searching for a while for a good free site for accurate info on surnames and their origins.

I say "free" because there seems to be a pattern arising. When you pay for info on the net it is neither accurate or reliable. I've found three different coat of arms, four histories, and three name meanings.

If I were in Germany it probably wouldn't be so difficult. I've been told the Red Cross is good for war records and the Church is good for the times before the world wars.

I'm searching for "Franzen".

Any advice would be appreciated.
Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-28-2006, 10:08 AM
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Chuck_Older
08-28-2006, 10:12 AM
Well, you could get a coat of arms drawn up for just about any name. I'm not surprised you're finding multiples

As for genealogy, you might just do a Google search for your own surname, find people who share your name, and then talk to them and find out what they know about it

Pirschjaeger
08-28-2006, 11:21 AM
Well, as far as the search goes, I've spent many hours doing just as you said with google.

I've come up with the name being German, Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian. OK, so it's northern European but that's easy enough to figure out on my own, before the search.

As far as the meaning goes, it either means someone who comes from France or the son of someone whose father was called Franz. I expect the latter since Opa once said our ancestors come from Sweden.

The coat of arms is not so interesting to me since it's too hard to tell a fake from the real.

Any Swedes, Norwegians, or Danes want to comment on whether the name is common on their turfs?

Fritz

BSS_Goat
08-28-2006, 12:42 PM
It means "pasty white boy with very little pen1s" in the Native American tongue of the Nottoway Indian http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif sorry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


If I showed the Coat of Arms I would get banned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

adlabs6
08-28-2006, 12:49 PM
Pirschjaeger, maybe you've found this place already, but it can give some decent free results sometimes.
http://www.familysearch.org/

fighter_966
08-28-2006, 02:17 PM
You can count Finland also in to your search if your ancestors came to Germany anywhere around 1700 ..There were also swedes who lived in Finland..My ancestors came from Danmark http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif around anno 1690 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif..to Finland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

russ.nl
08-28-2006, 02:25 PM
Talking about coat of arms. My familie still has a real one. We also had a castle but that is broken down. Blue blood.

joeap
08-28-2006, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by russ.nl:
Talking about coat of arms. My familie still has a real one. We also had a castle but that is broken down. Blue blood.

Wow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-28-2006, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
If I showed the Coat of Arms I would get banned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Really? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Go ahead, make my day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-28-2006, 08:23 PM
@ Adlabs,

thx dude, but there was nothing on that site. I think those sites only work if your ancestors immigrated to the states.

@ Fighter,

I don't know when it was but the two most likely events would have been either with the Hansiatic traders or the Swedish army. I would prefer it be not the latter.

@ Russ,

I always knew you were a feudal landlord. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Fritz

Friendly_flyer
08-28-2006, 11:40 PM
Quick guess at ethymology of your name:

The €"sen suffix is quite common in Scandinavia. Other variations include €"son, more common in Sweden and non-Scandinavian countries. The €"sen form is also found in Northern Germany and the Low Countries.

Franz really means a Francian or French. It€s one of the oldest post-roman names in use in Europa, along with Carl (which simply means €œman€). Interestingly, the Francians did not speak old French, but rather a Germanic language. It was replaced (or heavily influenced) by low Latin, turning into the Latin langiage today know as French. The name Franz, Frans, Frank, Francon etc are actually more common outside France, mostly in areas that once was under Francian influence (under Carl the Great). The form with the €œz€ is specifically non-Scandinavia. The z-sound is not used in any Scandinavian languages.

Taking bout into account, I would say North Germany or possibly the Low Countries is the most likely place of origin of your surname.

joeap
08-29-2006, 02:56 AM
Carl the Great

I take it you mean Charlemagne, or in German Karl der Große (Carolus Magnus in latin). I learned his name in the French version for some reason. So it just means "the Great Man"?

Pirschjaeger
08-29-2006, 08:27 AM
Thank Petter,

I realized the "z" was sort of incorrect. Many times, when people immigrate to a new nation that speaks a different language, the spelling is changed to suit the locals.

For example, "Buchner" is an old Bavarian name but when that part of my family went to the UK, many years before going to Canada, they changed the name to "Buckner".

I'm sure my original name was "Fransen" since Opa said our family has Swedish origins.

It's really hard to figure out anything about my family since most died in the war and no one spoke about things after.

Fritz