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hmkim
02-28-2006, 08:58 PM
I'm seriously considering buying a 23-24 inch LCD monitor, mostly for IL-2 (Am I crazy?). If you play the sim on a widescreen, please give me some reasons why I should buy a widescreen. Well, I need some justification to spend $1k in order to persuade my wife:-)

mean_mango
03-01-2006, 10:35 AM
I have to say no, it isn't worth it. Mainly because it produces the 16:9 aspect ratio by trimming the top and bottom off of your Field of View. This makes it very difficult to see your instruments when you need them or track bogeys.... even when using TrackIR.

I bought a 50" DLP rear project screen (my wife and I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gifLOVEhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif movies) and I couldn't wait to try out IL2 on it. It turned out to be very novel at first, I played the entire "Cactus Diary" campaign on it, but the lack of FOV just made it too frustrating. I soon went back to my trusty 19" CRT and the game has never looked better. Plus, clouds and fog look much more realistic on a CRT than they do on digital screens.... not sure why.

16:9 is, however, great for watching tracks. Turn on the 5.1 sound and it's better than watching Tora! Tora! Tora! ....! And, FPS's that support 16:9 (i.e. HL2) will rock your world.... you'll never buy another video game that doesn't support widescreen. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hope this helps, hmkim!

crazyivan1970
03-01-2006, 10:52 AM
Will let you know tonight... mine 20" widescreen came today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tonyt1960
03-01-2006, 11:18 AM
I use a 37 inch LCD HDTV with DVI->HDMI input. Simply stunning. 8ms response time, no ghosting, 178deg viewing angles (but i sit directly in front). Absolutely gorgeous. Best part is i got the LCD for right around 1k brand new. I dont know why companies put a higher price tag on smaller LCD's just because they label it as a computer monitor since all LCD's are LCD's...lol. But i guess thats branding for ya....

Good luck with your choice...

Jumoschwanz
03-01-2006, 11:48 AM
The only thing a 16:9 widescreen is good for is viewing movies or apps that were designed to take advantage of it, and this sim is not one of them.

The sim will crop of the right and left of your monitor, effectively giving you a smaller than 20" monitor, if you change the configuration of the sim to fit the widescreen, it will be stretched and distorted, it will not just give you a wider field of view.

LCD computer monitors are more expenive than LCD TVs because the more expensive LcD computer monitor, like mine, has a fast response time AND can run high resolutions, mine runs 1200X1600 native.

I have the Dell 2001fp, a 20.1 inch LCD that is NOT widescreen , and I get a big full 20.1 inch, filled up view of this sim with nothing distorted or cropped.

If you have the cpu and video card to run 1200X1600 I highly recomend this monitor. Talk about better dot visibility at low resolution is krap. Groups of planes that appear as one dot at 1280x960, will appear as four separate dots at the same distance at 1200X1600, and knowing whether you are going up against one or four is important right?

I drive the Dell 2001fp with an aTI x850xtPE, it was as much an improvement over the graphic quality of the 9800pro as the 20.1 inch lcd was over the 19"crt.

Being able to run 1200X1600 at high frame rates in perfect mode is a BIG advantage over those with junky or older equipment.

So go with a high quality 4:3 monitor, and do anything you can to get to 1200x1600 on perfect mode!

Jumoschwanz

DaimonSyrius
03-01-2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by tonyt1960:
I use a 37 inch LCD HDTV with DVI->HDMI input. Simply stunning. 8ms response time, no ghosting, 178deg viewing angles (but i sit directly in front). Absolutely gorgeous. Best part is i got the LCD for right around 1k brand new. I dont know why companies put a higher price tag on smaller LCD's just because they label it as a computer monitor since all LCD's are LCD's...lol. But i guess thats branding for ya....

Hey tonyt,
At what resolution does your HDTV work when plugged to the PC as a monitor?

I just bought yesterday a new widescreen 19" Sony 'Bravia' TV (my old faithful 15" Sony KV gave up its ghost after >20yr), 900". This Bravia is awesome, has literally dozens of In/Out sockets, and also can be used as a PC monitor, although I just have it for TV/DVD.

It is quite more expensive than a plain PC LCD monitor, but of course the TV has to fit the circuitry for tuner, sound (stereo, Dolby and a couple more acronym sound-things), lots of low-noise connectors both digital and analog, some image-processing (noise filtering, auto-adaptive to ambient lighting) etc., etc. and all this comes at a price when compared to a plain LCD screen for PC use, with nothing else in it (at least that's the explanation they give at the shop http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).

The best PC resolution this new Sony can do is 1280x760 60Hz. Compare that to my Samsung SyncMaster 17" LCD (>2 yr old) monitor with 1280x1024 72Hz, not widescreen: better resolution and it would be probably less than half the price now.
However TV or DVD look extremely good now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cheers,
S.

tonyt1960
03-01-2006, 12:15 PM
My LCD will support 480i/p, 720p and 1080i. Native resolution of my screen is 1366x768. However you need powerstip to get most video card to output that resolution. My 6800GS can make custom settings, but the closest i get is 1360x768 and it is overscanned (can adjust that too i suppose). I run the LCD at 1280x720p for High definition. If i adjust the setting in IL2 conf.ini to 1280x720, it looks awesome going through HDMI. The top and bottom do get cut off a bit since IL2 doesnt support true 16:9, but it seems i gain a bit on the sides because the instrument text (speed bar, power settins on right etc) remain in the 4:3 format with more real estate displaying outside of the text on each side. With triple buffering, i get 100fps avg with perfect mode looking at water and land, look at sky and it jumps to almost 200fps with detailed clouds, over detailed land on perfect it drops to about 60fps. Sometimes i'll run it in 1024x768 and the gunsight turns into a slight oval. The 8ms response time and 1600:1 contrast ratio produce a truly stunning picture. With TrackIR 4 and the size of the LCD, its almost like you're there... almost.

I have my playseat on its way, so that should add a bit more immersion, especially like the fact i can fold it up and store it when not playing so it doesnt stick out in my living room....

Playseat (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3308494)

p-11.cAce
03-01-2006, 02:32 PM
I've been playing on a 27" HD/LCD for a few months now and would NEVER go back to a smaller screen. I run at 1024x768 and have not noticed any problems with distortion, ghosting, flaring, etc. As far as I'm concerned its the best money I spent as far as immersion in game goes - though sometimes I get quesy if I'm manuvering hard and trying to find a dot panning around with trackIR too fast.

Taylortony
03-01-2006, 05:54 PM
I to have ran it on my 37 inch HDTV especiially as it is a dual monitor as well......... one thing I would say is the fact you are only considering buying it for this game is a bit shortsighted in your thought process, remember BOB the natural progression on from this game will be out soon and as that is running on a new engine, one would have thought that with the proliferation of W/Screen monitors it would be crass for Oleg not to build in some future proofing..........

The "Original" TonyT


hehehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/IL2_Skins/Dell_2_s.jpg

OAC_Rawool
03-01-2006, 06:15 PM
I personally do not play on a Widescreen. Isnt there a way to play in the standard aspect. if so that would obviously stretch the screen and you could just change the FOV (field of view) to make it look normal. That way you still have full vertical view and extra horizontal view.

Just a thought.

codeseven7
03-01-2006, 06:25 PM
Retired my old Gateway 17" CRT for a widescreen Dell 2005FPW 20" LCD and I can honestly say I will never go back. You do lose a little top and bottom but you gain so much more visually there is no comparison.

bluedragon1950
03-01-2006, 07:03 PM
Hi tonyt1960,

I'm interested in buying a 37" LCD HDTV. Could you let us know where do you get yours?

Thanks

tonyt1960
03-01-2006, 07:10 PM
http://secure.syntaxgroups.com/products/detail.jsp?pid=LT37HVS

I got it from ebay brand new. I believe the prices have risen since i bought it because the demand for this particular HDTV has increased significantly. Its on par or better than most HDTV's in its class that cost 500-1k more.

crazyivan1970
03-01-2006, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by codeseven7:
Retired my old Gateway 17" CRT for a widescreen Dell 2005FPW 20" LCD and I can honestly say I will never go back. You do lose a little top and bottom but you gain so much more visually there is no comparison.

I back up codeseven 100%. Picked up 20" wide screen Acer (8ms) tonight from Magnum PC...i am simply blown away. I had no idea. My relatively nice CRT, 21" Sony Trinitron is just not even close http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif Yes, there is a loss on top and bottom, very minimal IMO since i always play with max zoom out.

Hey, i am not even going to mention how COD2 looks on this puppy....1680x1050 ...WOW. Looks like i did mention it, didnt i http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

SithSpeeder
03-01-2006, 11:07 PM
See http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/2341038753/p/2

If you are buying it for IL2:FB merged yadda-yadda, it is not going to work to its full advantage--you actually lose information.

* _54th_Speeder *

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-02-2006, 06:55 AM
I have a 17 widescreen on my gaming laptop. FPS games like UT2004, COD2 etc, simply look stunning and support the widescreen format. I've waffled on a nice 24" widescreen for my desktop, but since the majority of my desktop use is IL2 i've stayed away from it.

I too would think BoB will support the wider formats. It would simply be shooting yourself in the foot not to. I'll wait til then for my desktop.

I will say, though, that movies and games that support the widescreen format look absolutely incredible even on my 17" laptop.


TB

p.s. There's a widescreen thread that you may find interesting here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/7301039714

Banger2004
03-02-2006, 09:10 AM
Beginning to wish I never started reading this thread, just got my annual profit share and its burning a big hole in my pocket http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

crazyivan1970
03-02-2006, 11:17 AM
The way i think about it, monitor is a long time purchase, alot longer then PC. IMO, buying stadard monitor now is cripling yourself in the future. Pretty much every new game that comes out nowdays supports wide screen. BOB will too more likely.

SithSpeeder
03-02-2006, 11:26 AM
Original poster asked:
Is the widescreen LCD worthwhile for IL-2?

Original poster said:

I'm seriously considering buying a 23-24 inch LCD monitor, mostly for IL-2 (Am I crazy?). For IL-2:FB, you'd be playing at a disadvantage.

Crazy Ivan said:

buying stadard monitor now is cripling yourself in the future. Pretty much every new game that comes out nowdays supports wide screen. BOB will too more likely. Although I agree you would be at a disadvantage for other and/or future games in general, if you only really play IL2:FB then it is not a disadvantage. And because Oleg has not yet said really ANYTHING on how BOB will play with widescreen, making the assumption is dangerous.

I just wish he or someone high up in his team would address this so we can put it to bed.

* _54th_Speeder *

crazyivan1970
03-02-2006, 11:57 AM
I`ll look into it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TX-Zen
03-02-2006, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I`ll look into it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ask him about the acceleration on the Ta while you're at it old friend. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SithSpeeder
03-02-2006, 12:04 PM
Thanks Ivan!

And reverse question (I don't feel like wading through all the widescreen posts AGAIN)...If I purchase a widescreen monitor for everything else (say like a 1900x1200), can I force IL2:FB (merged) into a 1600x1200 (4:3 ratio) and essentially have black bars on the side (but still take resolution advantage of the "native" 1900x1200 resolution)?

Let me re-phrase that in case I'm not being clear. If I purchase a 1900x1200 LCD widescreen monitor, can I play IL2:FB (merged) at 1600x1200 such that there would be vertical black bars (150x1200) on the left and right sides of the screen and have no impact on performance of the game OR the monitor?

* _54th_Speeder *

SithSpeeder
03-07-2006, 03:41 PM
*bump* for Ivan...and others.

* _54th_Speeder *

SithSpeeder
03-08-2006, 06:12 PM
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WildApes
05-02-2006, 08:41 AM
I have a dell 2405FPW and I have had to switch to playing at 1600x1200 stretched because of graphical anomolies.

The anomolies are:

Box flashing on lower left side of screen, looks almost like the game is losing priority to something in the background but there is nothing in the background that it could loose priority too.

bright gamma area in the 4:3 area of the screen when flying through clouds or by default while in the cockpit of some aircraft. The extrended 16:10 edges appear to be the proper gamma level.


If not for these two issues Forgotten Battles would be one of the best flight sims I have played. Does anyone know any work arounds for these issues?

WildApes
05-02-2006, 08:44 AM
to SithSpeeder ^


Yes you can. However, after using the monitor in it's normal 16:10 resolution you will find it very difficult to play that way. Even if the monitor is large the black bars and 4:3 area create the illusion that the image is much smaller than it really is.

Jagdgeschwader2
05-02-2006, 10:20 AM
I just switched to a Dell 24" and I'm never going back. Well worth it and not just for Sturmovik. GTR and GT Legends rock on this thing! I plugged it in set the display to 1200 x1600 in Sturmovik and that's it. Graphics are beautiful and now it's easier to see targets from a distance.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/myrig.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s.jpg

Bandit.426Cdn
05-02-2006, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
The way i think about it, monitor is a long time purchase, alot longer then PC. IMO, buying stadard monitor now is cripling yourself in the future. Pretty much every new game that comes out nowdays supports wide screen. BOB will too more likely.

I personally am way behind the tech curve - about 5-6 years old is about the norm for me. Recently, the conventional 4:3 LCD's took a nose-dive price wise, and since i play IL2 exclusively, I dove in. Kicking 2 17" CRT's that were long in the tooth to the curb, 2 - 19" 8ns LCD's replaced them, for the gaming computer, and i'm good for now - I made the move more for sake of the electrical bill than the change itself.. I have 3 computers on my home desk (newest is the gaming 2.4 ghz, one is network storage P3-800 mhz, one is regular use dual P3-733 mhz computers) and when it comes time to upgrade for BoB, and if it supports widescreen, THEN it'll be time to pony up for widescreen, and not before. The gaming box will need replacement, and the LCD monitors will be shuffled around then to whichever computers need them. Desk real-estate is at a premium - I still have a 20.1" CRT monitor camped out on the corner of the desk, so the LCD's helped in this department also.

No need to rush technology, if there is no immediate need for it... and with the conventional 4:3's dropping in price to reflect the popularity of the widescreens coming into the mass-consumer market, it's also taking advantage of a very good cost-savings situation now.

GAU-8
05-02-2006, 10:52 PM
now just stick a fresnel lens in front of those nice new monitors....watch those images get better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif