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zoinksu52
12-29-2005, 05:02 PM
i downloaded hyperlobby when i got this game 4 weeks ago. i refrained from going online till i could fly some but i always looked to see how many people were on. not many. played 5 - 6 times online and usually get shot down as i take off.

this last time i was chatting with a guy who was trying to help me and proceeded to get shot up as i sat on my runway. i had to keep rejoining the game just to keep up the chat. after repeated kills i naturally got disgusted and quit.

is there any good online play or is it just polluted with morons? should i uninstall hyperlobby?

there were some very good pilots. i would have liked to learn how to fly like they do.

D13th_Toppy
12-29-2005, 05:20 PM
try another server, or even better, join a squadron.

Aviar
12-29-2005, 05:26 PM
You were being 'vulched'. Sorry to say this, but it was your own fault by continually respawning while the enemy is overhead. If there was another friendly airfield, you could have spawned there. You can also chat while on the mission briefing screen, so there was no urgent need to respawn in order to chat.

In any event, it looks like you have the stand-alone version of Pacific Fighters. Not many people play that version on HL. Get the 'merged' version and you will find hundreds of players on HL at any one time.

Aviar

zoinksu52
12-29-2005, 05:54 PM
vulched is exactly what i thought eveytime i got online. saying its my fault is confusing cause this is always the situation. if i wait i don't play cause this scenario is continous on every map. i took that approach once and waited on the airstrip for an eternity. just sat there knowing exactly what would happen if i take off. i've considered getting gold and merging because i've seen hundreds in those servers...but hundreds more of the same?

in pf there has only been 1 - 5 servers with a max on 15 people combined and now i see why.

teach a noob about joining a squadron. do you actually use teamwork and play against other squadrons? is it actually fun?

carguy_
12-29-2005, 06:13 PM
Online is the only way to go,because the sim frankly is not up to offline game requirements.

Daily you can meet up to 600players online in HL flying various servers.

1.Coops - generic missions where you takeoff with your team mates(mostly unknown) and head to destination - escort bombers,protect ground,destroy ground.

2.Dogfight servers - typical shootemup rooms.

3.Scripted DF servers - mostly historical planesets with very good players with strong sense of team play.Server is focused on accomplishing a mission.

4.Online wars - mostly with great pilots,historical planesets and campaigns.Everything dynamic - by the course of your last mission,the next one gets different planes,resources and ofcourse the frontline changes.You can get away if you bail close enough to your own territory.


Online is the reason why IL2 got me hooked for 3 years - no game has ever done this to me.If I get a burnout I take a two week break .Flying with your squadmates on comms is a whole different experience plus you get lessons you`d have to work for yourself few months.

Offline - I played 2 campaigns and never repeated it again.

Kuna15
12-29-2005, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by zoinksu52:
i downloaded hyperlobby when i got this game 4 weeks ago. i refrained from going online till i could fly some but i always looked to see how many people were on. not many. played 5 - 6 times online and usually get shot down as i take off.

this last time i was chatting with a guy who was trying to help me and proceeded to get shot up as i sat on my runway. i had to keep rejoining the game just to keep up the chat. after repeated kills i naturally got disgusted and quit.

is there any good online play or is it just polluted with morons? should i uninstall hyperlobby?

there were some very good pilots. i would have liked to learn how to fly like they do.

Vulching with guns is forbidden on all serious servers (somewhere with rockets too). However if they get you with bombs that is legitimate tactic.

My reccomendation to you is UK_dedicated1 server. Good place for start (and stay if you like that settings), great people there.
There are many experienced guys there and if you ask them for any kind of help (polite) they will help you out (with vulching too).
If you provide moderators track where you get vulched by bombs on UK_dedicated1 they will most likely ban those who have vulched you. Also they have excellent missions (for fighter & bomber jocks, good planesets too).

Here is the link to their forum:
http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/forumdisplay.php?f=36

zoinksu52
12-29-2005, 06:26 PM
i'll breakdown and go for the gold. all i've seen is dogfight servers and the coops and scripted are what i'm looking to find. i'm sure i'll gain better experience as the offline ai is impossible to learn from. this sim has been designed for seasoned pilots and the noob stands no chance.

carguy_
12-29-2005, 07:55 PM
Good choice.Remember though.If you score a well deserved kill online you will be caught in the net,eheheh.

Never played a more rewarding game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

mortoma
12-29-2005, 08:18 PM
I'm an offline player but it's good to go online once in a great while for a change of pace. It's not my favorite thing to do because of lag and
wharping, which can cause your bullets to hit when they shouldn't or your bullets to not hit when they should, and other problems. It also causes planes to "wharp" like the Starship Enterprise on steroids. This has happened to me no matter how good my connection. But it can be fun sometimes for a laugh or two. Because or aforementioned limitations, it's not for the serious player to do often. In my opinion anyway.

VW-IceFire
12-29-2005, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by zoinksu52:
i downloaded hyperlobby when i got this game 4 weeks ago. i refrained from going online till i could fly some but i always looked to see how many people were on. not many. played 5 - 6 times online and usually get shot down as i take off.

this last time i was chatting with a guy who was trying to help me and proceeded to get shot up as i sat on my runway. i had to keep rejoining the game just to keep up the chat. after repeated kills i naturally got disgusted and quit.

is there any good online play or is it just polluted with morons? should i uninstall hyperlobby?

there were some very good pilots. i would have liked to learn how to fly like they do.
Do you only have Pacific Fighters or do you have Forgotten Battles, Ace Expansion Pack, AND Pacific Fighters? If so...thats where you find most of us ...not in the Pacific Fighters area but the Forgotten Battles area of HyperLobby. There are many servers suiting different styles of gameplay.

UK-Dedicated is where I normally hang out...and shooting aircraft on the ground with guns is strictly forbidden. Pilots are kicked and or banned for vulching (shooting a player aircraft on the ground). Many servers have similar policies...some of them are different. Some do not tolerate ANY vulching. Others tolerate vulching with bombs. Some with rockets and bombs and some do tolerate all forms of vulching...although usually those servers use flak around the airbases and have the airbases seprated by 80 or 100km or more.

Online can both be the best part of the game and the worst. The best because if you're in the right place the fun is absolutely blockbuster. The worst because you're dealing with people and sometimes thats a much harder thing to deal with.

Find a server that is friendly to new pilots...keep in mind that most servers expect you to read the rules and abide by them. Alot of newbies just jump in and sometimes learn the very hard way when they repeatedly violate the rules of a server and have to be removed.

Its encouraging that you've done your offline stuff first. This is what I did...I shouldn't be asking how to start my engines while im flying online...when your online you want to be focused on tactics and not learning to fly because there are lots of VERY capable pilots out there (you didn't run into any of them - those sort rarely shoot aircraft on the ground) who are better than you, better than me, and better than most of us...but we manage anyways and its fun.

Find a good server, find a good team, try and get a good voice chat setup if that server has it (TeamSpeak or whatever) and have a go. ITs great...but it takes a bit to get into. Expect to make and learn from mistakes.

Jumoschwanz
12-29-2005, 08:56 PM
Hey,

There are lots of dogfight maps that have scripts with a goal to complete, and the airfields are so far apart and so well protected with aaa that being shot during take-off is not a problem.
You will find these servers once you have the Forgotten Battles/Ace Expansion Pack/Pacific Fighters all installed together and patched up to version 4.02, you can see on HL the hundreds that are knocking heads on servers with this installation, lots of fun and to do.

This way you can get off the ground, THEN have your a s s relentlessly handed to you!

Welcome aboard!


Jumoschwanz

P.S. Pssssssssst...I am the only sane one here, so when you need the real scoop on what to do, let me know....

HotelBushranger
12-30-2005, 02:56 AM
Online is the best. You increase your skill, blah blah blah but the most important thing is you meet new people, and make new mates. I've met a ton of new blokes, and I thank it to this game. I've found, aviation people are the nicest around (and train people are the smelliest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif), and we're all glad to help. Yes, you do get your bunch of d!ickheads, but you get that everywhere, no matter what your hobby is. So, forget those blokes and join us online for laughs n good times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

In any case, getting Gold gives you 100+ more planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-30-2005, 03:14 AM
"is online play any good?"

Yes, if you go for the full IL2 pack as others have indicated and stay away from easy setting servers. If you must go on an easy setting server to talk, then choose an airfield far away from the fighting - even on some serious servers vulching is allowed as it happened in reality.

Warclouds I find is quite good, there might be some vulching, but anyone who tries it usually has to run the gauntlet of flak and any covering fighters.

WOLFMondo
12-30-2005, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:

Vulching with guns is forbidden on all serious servers (somewhere with rockets too). However if they get you with bombs that is legitimate tactic.

My reccomendation to you is UK_dedicated1 server. Good place for start (and stay if you like that settings), great people there.
There are many experienced guys there and if you ask them for any kind of help (polite) they will help you out (with vulching too).

I never understand this, no vulching or vulching only with bombs? Not only is this utterly innaccurate its also stopping something that was used in WW2 by all sides to great effect. Vulching is a very legitimate tactic, regardless of the ordanance you use, most of the best vulching in WW2 was done with guns only. Yes, theres allot of guys that just do it for points and get shot down but if you employ some stratergy and some common sense you can survive.

BTW allot of the more serious servers allow vulching, its mainly the airquake cockpit off servers that don't allow it or have silly rules about only vulching with bombs and things like thathttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

zoinksu52
12-30-2005, 05:22 AM
thanks for the replies y'all. i'll go get il2 gold pack today. was wondering why nobody plays the pf standalone.

ElAurens
12-30-2005, 05:26 AM
I'm with WOLFMondo on this one.

"Vulching" Or, more accurately, base suppression, is entirely warranted. Why do you think they put 6 .50" Brownings on the front of an A20?

Properly constructed missions will have alternate basing, or enough flak to make one pass at a base exciting, but multiple ones suicide.

We are simulating war here, not some game with sticks and balls and umpires.

bogusheadbox
12-30-2005, 05:39 AM
I agree aswell. I don't see a problem with vulching. As long as the bases have a sufficient amount of AA and AAA defense.

If you base has been wiped out of defenses and landed planes cannot take off, then the mission should be scripted to end, with a victory to the other side.

Bulching is allowed in my book. I can see why it can bother some. But honestly. build a map with decent defense and that should be enough to see you ok.

Thud_vols
12-30-2005, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by zoinksu52:
teach a noob about joining a squadron. do you actually use teamwork and play against other squadrons? is it actually fun?

Check out the Squadron Recruiting Forum: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/48310655

Flying for a Squadron is all about teamwork and competitions against other squadrons. Most have pretty elaberate (sp) web sites with lots of good info and tips.

As far as vulching goes, it should only be allowed if the host says so in the mission brief. Unfortunately many do not take the time to read it.

VT-51_Thud
http://www.airgroup51.com/
http://www.gofisc.com/

zoinksu52
12-30-2005, 06:02 AM
i realize we are simulating a war, but come on with some of the maps. the last map i played was iwo jima. cite a situation where 2 foes have airfields in los. i don't know names of the other maps i've seen but they were as realistic to wwii as call of duty - my only other online experience. i had the taste of just leaving a bunny-hopping/spray-n-pray/grenade war server.

i have nothing against vulching as i understand it was part of the war for all sides but i'm hoping to see "other" tactics also. i was just on bad servers and wanted info online gameplay.

btw, these servers had no aaa, flak, or any other sign of intelligent life. classic case of spawn killing.

zoinksu52
12-30-2005, 06:21 AM
squadron play looks interesting. i'll go online and learn what areas i need to practice. its only fair i gain some experience before becoming a burden to my http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gifofficers. i make Gomer Pyle look like Audie Murphy - no disrespect intended.

Bartolomeo_ita
12-30-2005, 07:44 AM
ehy, what exactly vulch does mean in english? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.tfd.com/vulch

VW-IceFire
12-30-2005, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna15:

Vulching with guns is forbidden on all serious servers (somewhere with rockets too). However if they get you with bombs that is legitimate tactic.

My reccomendation to you is UK_dedicated1 server. Good place for start (and stay if you like that settings), great people there.
There are many experienced guys there and if you ask them for any kind of help (polite) they will help you out (with vulching too).

I never understand this, no vulching or vulching only with bombs? Not only is this utterly innaccurate its also stopping something that was used in WW2 by all sides to great effect. Vulching is a very legitimate tactic, regardless of the ordanance you use, most of the best vulching in WW2 was done with guns only. Yes, theres allot of guys that just do it for points and get shot down but if you employ some stratergy and some common sense you can survive.

BTW allot of the more serious servers allow vulching, its mainly the airquake cockpit off servers that don't allow it or have silly rules about only vulching with bombs and things like thathttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wolf...the thing is that in many dogfight servers you've got the two opposing bases within near visual sight of each other. Sometimes with no flak.

This is not WWII...this is air quake. Allowing vulching means that one team rakes over the other team and people leave the server. Its no fun when they guy you just shot down is over your base and strafing your team again in under a minute because thats all the time he needs to get a new plane, start the engine, takeoff, and start doing it again.

Not WWII.

On WarClouds and other more realistic servers you have two critical factors at play.

1) Distance between bases - You have to fly a significant distance (sometimes 10 minutes or longer - which is long for virtual online wars) between bases to be able to reach them and then strafe them.

2) Flak defenses - most bases have at least a few flak guns and probably a small collection of them. This is a huge difference from the air quake servers which normally have no base defenses....just an empty field (immersion killer to me).

So thats why there are "silly" rules http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In WarClouds, before they took out the A-20G (I'm still mad about that), I undertook a few base attack missions with a small collection of 8x100lb bombs. The thing is that when you go on these missions you have to sneak past all of the fighters on patrol, get in close, brave the flak, drop your bombs, shoot anyone you can see with your machineguns and then run like heck because you will get shot down if you stay there.

WOLFMondo
12-30-2005, 07:59 AM
I do agree in regards to those sorts of servers but UKD has more realistic missions etc but has these anti vulching rules and thats not an airquake server in the same sense that 334th is.

zoinksu52
12-30-2005, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by Bartolomeo_ita:
ehy, what exactly vulch does mean in english? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.tfd.com/vulch

The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. but we must have made a new word for this special case based on this guy. http://www.tfd.com/vulture

dbillo
12-30-2005, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by zoinksu52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bartolomeo_ita:
ehy, what exactly vulch does mean in english? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.tfd.com/vulch

The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. but we must have made a new word for this special case based on this guy. http://www.tfd.com/vulture </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You got it zoinksu52! The vulture is a bird that hovers overhead and only goes after defenseless prey that can't fight back!

Unknown_Target
12-30-2005, 12:27 PM
I don't know about the FB+AEP+PF merged room, but in the Pacific Fighters room, it's pretty good. the Ready_OK server is full real, and very fun - you can often times find pickup wingman, a phenominon that's new to me (having just converted from original IL-2), where you actually have wingman in a multiplayer game. It's a great teamwork server, I'd love to have someone else come play http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (Btw, my name is Unknown Target there as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Bearcat99
12-31-2005, 12:48 AM
Vulching is a part of online play here. Get over it.... (Not to sound harsh..... not intended to be). Just do what I do on those rare occasions that I go into a DF server. I respawn at a base farther away. Usually the people who vulch will do so at the nearest base to them. Once you merge it will be a bit better because you will have a wider selection of servers to hit. Good luck...... welcome aboard. Oh.... and BTW... offline play with this sim is as good as you let it be. While it is true there are some aspects lacking.... some great 3rd party utilities and improvements in the AI make offline play... for me anyway... a load of fun.

SeaFireLIV
12-31-2005, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
offline play with this sim is as good as you let it be. While it is true there are some aspects lacking.... some great 3rd party utilities and improvements in the AI make offline play... for me anyway...

Agreed. Often offline play is less a waste of time than online. Sometimes I can waste an hour waiting for a decent coop or CW2/VEF mission - an hour that could have run at least 2-3 missions offline. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

stansdds
12-31-2005, 06:03 AM
Dog fighting is ok, at least for a while, but then it gets monotonous. Find a squadron and join, I really like flying with my squadron. We have missions planned, we fly them and have a good time, now we are using Scorched Earth so each mission has a big impact on the overall outcome of the campaign. Squadron flying is great and it can be very exciting. More than once I have been greatful just to return to base after an intense mission and ended the session exhausted and literally dripping with sweat.

Hoatee
12-31-2005, 06:58 AM
Online gaming via Hyperlobby with FB/AEP/PF is generally very good.

For one it's free. And it's reliable.

There are good and bad people everywhere. Vulching is a valid tactic indeed, but if you use a server where it is absolutely impossible to take off for this reason, just try another server (there's plenty to choose from).

You'll also come across people who normally play QMB, for example, and who will then have the greatest amount of difficulty taking off in some aircraft and end up feeling frustrated, etc. Just ignore them and carry on (elsewhere if necessary).

The main thing is it's free (although the author does ask for a donation to help keep HyperLobby up and running).

zoinksu52
12-31-2005, 07:17 AM
just got all 3 sims merged, patched and hl'ed. hopefully i can gain experience watching others fly as they gain kill totals.

Bearcat99, i'll have to look into those 3rd party utilies you've mentioned.

i envy those who have been flying sims along time and have a good knowledge of flight. the learning curve is steep for a noob and offline pf stand-alone is well...

i have trouble offline with missions:

i can never stay with my wingman. this is from strange ai behavior or my novice flying skills. my missions consist of me flying alone desperately searching for my leader, who is reaming me out the entire time. i cannot fly like the ai. fun factor = zero. does he wait? can i ask him to wait? can i ask, "uh, dude, uh, how can your plane to do that? uh, where are you going?" and i can't even wish him a hardy farewell and good hunting as i search the empty sky. no, don't wait up, i'll just rtb.

offline i create some ground attack missions, dive bombing, and practice carrier takeoffs and landings. a good carrier landing is quite rewarding and i'm improving quickly. i just wish i had a clue what to do in combat.

carguy_
12-31-2005, 10:15 AM
Most important IMO - have eyes in the back of yer head,see everything,make a decision based on everything happening around you.

Zeus-cat
12-31-2005, 10:27 AM
You can't stay with your AI leader because the AI uses a simplified flight model that allows them to fly at the best settings for all situations. As a human, you will overheat your engine or run your prop pitch at the wrong angle or some other less optimal thing and you will always be behind them if you try to match their actions.

You have two options to stay with the AI:
1) Takeoff and then hit autopilot and let the computer fly your plane until you catch up with your leader.
2) Take off, cut corners on your waypoints and do NOT climb to follow your leader. Stay with your leader by flying at the same speed, but at a lower altitude. SLOWLY climb to meet them. Do not trade speed for altitude on the way to the target.

Zeus-cat

Xiolablu3
12-31-2005, 01:11 PM
It entirely depends on the server.

Vulching is fine on a cockpit on, full switch server.

But on a wonder woman, padlock server someone can just sit above the airfiled and keep pressing f6 until an enemy spawn and then see straight down through the plane.

Go and fly on Ukdedicated1, that is a fantastic server but does not allow vulching. It has historical scenarios with bombers attacking each sides ground targets and fighters covering. The first one to detroy the other ground targets wins, or if a team runs out of planes. (they have around 80-100 per map)

The admins and players are also very friendly to new people, as long as you are and honourable player. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The server is much more about enjoyment of the game than trying to be 'anally historical' about everything. If something is not working then they will change it.

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-31-2005, 01:45 PM
Its pretty simple here. The server you choose to play in will determine how good or how poor your online experience is.

Skycat_2
12-31-2005, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Bartolomeo_ita:
ehy, what exactly vulch does mean in english? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.tfd.com/vulch

Seeing as how your link goes to an online dictionary, I believe you're wondering if "vulch" is an English word. As Zoinksu52 said, it is not a real word but rather a slang word that is probably only used by air combat simmers. In fact, I've never seen the word outside of IL-2 forums.

I concur that the probable origin of the word is "vulture", the ugly carrion eating bird that is popularly known to circle over a weak and unprotected animal in the desert while waiting for it to die and thus become an easy dinner. "Vulturing" just doesn't sound as poetic as "vulching" and "vulting" looks wrong in print.

Tully__
12-31-2005, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Skycat_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bartolomeo_ita:
ehy, what exactly vulch does mean in english? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.tfd.com/vulch

Seeing as how your link goes to an online dictionary, I believe you're wondering if "vulch" is an English word. As Zoinksu52 said, it is not a real word but rather a slang word that is probably only used by air combat simmers. In fact, I've never seen the word outside of IL-2 forums.

I concur that the probable origin of the word is "vulture", the ugly carrion eating bird that is popularly known to circle over a weak and unprotected animal in the desert while waiting for it to die and thus become an easy dinner. "Vulturing" just doesn't sound as poetic as "vulching" and "vulting" looks wrong in print. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've seen it in other flight sim forums and very rarely you may see it in FPS games/forums as a synonym of "camp".

Bearcat99
01-01-2006, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by zoinksu52:
just got all 3 sims merged, patched and hl'ed. hopefully i can gain experience watching others fly as they gain kill totals.

Bearcat99, i'll have to look into those 3rd party utilies you've mentioned.


Check out Vac (http://www.dwvac.com/), The UQMG (http://www.uberdemon.com/) (Uber Quick Mission Generator..... full mission builder power with quick mission builder ease.. comes with a good help file and a forum (http://airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=6e4448dc68f8308dc9b0d6119e91a1a4) for the software at Airwarfare.com (http://www.airwarfare.com/). There is a Vac forum (http://airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=6e4448dc68f8308dc9b0d6119e91a1a4) there too. There is also IL2 Manager, IL2 Stab, Il2 Sticks,and much much more.... but Vac, Manager/Stab (two similar orograms thyat do similar stuff), The UQMG and HardBall's Aircraft Viewer (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#048). Hit the Sturmovik Essentials link in my sig for the Stab/Manager and more links. Make sure you bookmark Airwarfare.com. It is a one stop shop for all things flightsim.