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zbw_109
08-02-2006, 11:56 PM
What is with the Ju-87 stukas 7.9mm guns they don't seem to have a purpose.Any help Please

zbw_109
08-02-2006, 11:56 PM
What is with the Ju-87 stukas 7.9mm guns they don't seem to have a purpose.Any help Please

ColoradoBBQ
08-03-2006, 12:14 AM
They're for shooting at soft targets, such as trucks, cars, infantry, etc.

tigertalon
08-03-2006, 12:19 AM
One of their purposes IRL was also to force AAA gunners to stop shooting and to duck behind cover or at least to disturb their aiming during an attack (on a ship for example).

Waldo.Pepper
08-03-2006, 12:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They're for shooting at soft targets, such as trucks, cars, infantry, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Horses, fleeing civilians, wheelchairs, baby buggies. Targets like that.

IIJG69_Kartofe
08-03-2006, 01:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They're for shooting at soft targets, such as trucks, cars, infantry, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Horses, fleeing civilians, wheelchairs, baby buggies. Targets like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Workers in rices fields, farms, trains, fishing boats, food factories...

Oops !! That was the purpose of .50 ... Sorry! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

biggs222
08-03-2006, 01:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IIJG69_Kartofe:

Oops !! That was the purpose of .50 ... Sorry! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no no no... everyone knows the .50s are for taking out Tigers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

IIJG69_Kartofe
08-03-2006, 02:01 AM
Right !!!

I forgot that!

captainbong1970
08-03-2006, 02:07 AM
Yeah, they are for me to shoot things after I miss with the bombs.


Has anyone got an air kill with the front guns? Maybe an I153 will fly around in front of me one day.

R988z
08-03-2006, 03:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by captainbong1970:
Yeah, they are for me to shoot things after I miss with the bombs.


Has anyone got an air kill with the front guns? Maybe an I153 will fly around in front of me one day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think UK dedicated has a scenario with Ju87s vs P11c's, I think I once managed to shoot something down, but usually it's easier to try and drop a bomb on the enemy or ram them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-03-2006, 03:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zbw_109:
What is with the Ju-87 stukas 7.9mm guns they don't seem to have a purpose.Any help Please </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everyone knows that Stuka guns were not designed for air-to-air combat except in exceptional circumstances....

Well, except you.

Feathered_IV
08-03-2006, 07:30 AM
I got a P40 on Spit vs 109 (Stopped his engine) that was having a go at my leader. I also bagged a Hurricane in a headon too. Won'y forget that for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
08-03-2006, 08:02 AM
Curiously the first WW2 air victory, in the early hours of the war, happened when a Stuka made a Polish PZL P.11c burst with its wing guns, shortly before one of the PZLs -piloted by Lt. Gnys- downed another Stuka -the first German air casualty.

http://lonestar.texas.net/~snolep/fighter/index02.htm (http://lonestar.texas.net/%7Esnolep/fighter/index02.htm)

Ernst_Rohr
08-03-2006, 08:57 AM
I have killed a few birds with the guns on a Stuka in an offline campaign.

I have shot down a couple of I-16's, not that I WANTED to dogfight with an I-16, just that the AI 109's were off gang-banging a lone I-16 while the rest of the Russian birds where having a field day with the Stukas! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

On the other hand, the Stuka is pretty maneverable and early on in the war, in a pinch can mix it up if its not hung with bombs.

JG52Karaya-X
08-03-2006, 09:01 AM
I've started a Ju87B2 '41 Barbarossa campaign on full real settings not too long ago and already got 7 kills in the Stuka ^^

Among them: 3xI16Type18 and 4xSu2

With the right convergence you can down them pretty quickly.

Aaron_GT
08-03-2006, 10:32 AM
Didn't some Ju-87s mount 20mm cannon rather than 7.92mm guns?

Haigotron
08-03-2006, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Workers in rices fields, farms, trains, fishing boats, food factories...

Oops !! That was the purpose of .50 ... Sorry! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Touché !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

StG2_Schlachter
08-03-2006, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Workers in rices fields, farms, trains, fishing boats, food factories...

Oops !! That was the purpose of .50 ... Sorry! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Touché !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget cows http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-03-2006, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zbw_109:
What is with the Ju-87 stukas 7.9mm guns they don't seem to have a purpose.Any help Please </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Parachutes... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

JG52Karaya-X
08-03-2006, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Didn't some Ju-87s mount 20mm cannon rather than 7.92mm guns? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the D-5 which we have in game btw...

StG2_Schlachter
08-03-2006, 12:37 PM
We had an event on the German community server once and I shot down two A-20 with a Ju-87G-2 on the OnlineMT map, which tried to mess with our Schwarm while our escorts were busy. Don't underestimate the Stuka, it roxxorz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JtD
08-03-2006, 01:20 PM
On the already mentioned map of the UKDedicated server it is alot of fun to fight the P.11's with the Stukas. Pretty even odds, as the Stuka has the speed advantage while the P.11 has the turn. Cool thing about flying B'n'Z with the Stuka - when you pull up after the attack, the rear gunner will keep the target buisy when it tries to climb after you. Another cool thing is to fly your attack with the sirens/dive brakes switched on. Not effective, as the whole purpose of the system naturally is to bleed E, yet it's too cool to resist.

I think the best I managed were 3 kills in one sortie.

Haigotron
08-03-2006, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">On the already mentioned map of the UKDedicated server it is alot of fun to fight the P.11's with the Stukas. Pretty even odds, as the Stuka has the speed advantage while the P.11 has the turn. Cool thing about flying B'n'Z with the Stuka - when you pull up after the attack, the rear gunner will keep the target buisy when it tries to climb after you. Another cool thing is to fly your attack with the sirens/dive brakes switched on. Not effective, as the whole purpose of the system naturally is to bleed E, yet it's too cool to resist.

I think the best I managed were 3 kills in one sortie. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Stuka - the fighter that could have been http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

zbw_109
08-04-2006, 12:52 AM
Ju87 D5 vs G1 Dogfights!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOTAL CHAOS

Charos
08-04-2006, 01:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by biggs222:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IIJG69_Kartofe:

Oops !! That was the purpose of .50 ... Sorry! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no no no... everyone knows the .50s are for taking out Tigers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems logical that the 7.92 mm was for taking out Shermans. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

JG10r_Bull
08-04-2006, 02:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zbw_109:
What is with the Ju-87 stukas 7.9mm guns they don't seem to have a purpose.Any help Please </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everyone knows that Stuka guns were not designed for air-to-air combat except in exceptional circumstances....

Well, except you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my dear friend i beg to differ

back in the days of BW i was on a bomb run
and got in to trouble with a Mig and manage to shoot him down with my 7.9's in a turn fight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

FritzGryphon
08-04-2006, 02:08 AM
The B-2 is deadly because no one suspects it.

I got 3 Hurricanes in a co-op once. They were fools to underestimate the power of the Stuka.

joeap
08-04-2006, 02:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
They were fools to underestimate the power of the Stuka. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4592/200210vader1240mq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"You don't know the POWER of the Stuka."

JtD
08-04-2006, 06:39 AM
I think the Stuka is modelled wrong because in real live it reportedly was a VERY stable aircraft. Meaning you could pull the stick in any way up to the end, but the plane would react very slowly to the input.

I don't have this problem in the sim, so it is quite capable of defending itself.

Haigotron
08-04-2006, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
They were fools to underestimate the power of the Stuka. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Best upcoming movie line ever...

captainbong1970
08-05-2006, 03:36 AM
I finally bagged an I16 offline.

Just before I was shot down by another I16. Useless tailgunner.

I've been flying a 109F2 also so I'm getting used to masochism.

cawimmer430
08-05-2006, 03:51 AM
I shot down a P-47 once in a Stuka in a one-to-one offline mission.

We were flying at around 1,000 meters altitude and I used the slow speed handling and maneuvrability of the Stuka to inflict damage on him when he passed me, which happened often. It took awhile, but he soon began smoking and eventually crashed.

After that, I've not been very successful in it. It is usually me who gets shot down in the Stuka nowadays. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

NekoReaperman
08-05-2006, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
They were fools to underestimate the power of the Stuka. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4592/200210vader1240mq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"You don't know the POWER of the Stuka." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Click for funny stuka-related flash movie (made for WWII online, but relivent here)

http://www.willyteescomics.com/images/stories/willytee/cartoons/stuka.html

(quality isnt great i know, think of it as an indy flash :-P)


EDIT: To explain some of the inside jokes:

Humanoid rats: The developers of WWII online are "Cornered Rat software", and are referred to as "The rats" (they actually play the game with you as well, can you imagine dogfighting oleg on zekes vs wildcats? :-P)

CSR: A website showing stats and kills for the game, the joke is anyone could see that you were killed by a stuka on this website

zugfuhrer
08-05-2006, 02:36 PM
The Ju 87D-5 increased wing span to 15.00 m and replaced the MG 17 with two MG 151/20 cannons to improve ground attack capability.
It was produced from 1941 to -45

joeap
08-05-2006, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NekoReaperman:



Click for funny stuka-related flash movie (made for WWII online, but relivent here)

http://www.willyteescomics.com/images/stories/willytee/cartoons/stuka.html

(quality isnt great i know, think of it as an indy flash :-P)


EDIT: To explain some of the inside jokes:

Humanoid rats: The developers of WWII online are "Cornered Rat software", and are referred to as "The rats" (they actually play the game with you as well, can you imagine dogfighting oleg on zekes vs wildcats? :-P)

CSR: A website showing stats and kills for the game, the joke is anyone could see that you were killed by a stuka on this website </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know that site, some funny flics there.

PBNA-Boosher
08-05-2006, 04:03 PM
It's amazing what you can actually do with peashooters. I just shot down 4 TB-3's in a P.11c!

NekoReaperman
08-05-2006, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NekoReaperman:



Click for funny stuka-related flash movie (made for WWII online, but relivent here)

http://www.willyteescomics.com/images/stories/willytee/cartoons/stuka.html

(quality isnt great i know, think of it as an indy flash :-P)


EDIT: To explain some of the inside jokes:

Humanoid rats: The developers of WWII online are "Cornered Rat software", and are referred to as "The rats" (they actually play the game with you as well, can you imagine dogfighting oleg on zekes vs wildcats? :-P)

CSR: A website showing stats and kills for the game, the joke is anyone could see that you were killed by a stuka on this website </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know that site, some funny flics there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Willytee actually made my sig for me, nice guy