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FI-Aflak
03-12-2004, 09:01 PM
like this:
http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Jagdflieger/Luftwaffe/Schmitt_Rudolf/schmitt_rudolf_profil.jpg

Is it because they were afraid to forget which was was which or something? Was there a large problem with pilots getting into their a/c and sitting backwards? Did pilots try to take off in reverse or something?

Maybe it was something to ease shipping and handeling, like a "this side up" arrow?

Please enlighten me.

FI-Aflak
03-12-2004, 09:01 PM
like this:
http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Jagdflieger/Luftwaffe/Schmitt_Rudolf/schmitt_rudolf_profil.jpg

Is it because they were afraid to forget which was was which or something? Was there a large problem with pilots getting into their a/c and sitting backwards? Did pilots try to take off in reverse or something?

Maybe it was something to ease shipping and handeling, like a "this side up" arrow?

Please enlighten me.

03-12-2004, 09:09 PM
Probably just for fun and decoration.

Allied pilots usually preferred pinup girls. Given the choice between cutie girls or arrows, it's obvious that arrows lost the war ;-)

rgoodrich1978
03-12-2004, 10:37 PM
I believe engineering ability and artistic ability are controlled by two seperate parts of the brain. Maybe they were a bit lacking on one of them.

-PURGE-
its good for you

Fennec_P
03-12-2004, 10:47 PM
For the same reason you put stripes on a car. It makes it go faster. The drag caused by the arrow much much less than, for example, a topless girl.

German designers also realized that painting a spiral on the propellor hub increased thrust.

It was planned to augment the Me-262 with pinstriped flames, but it was not completed before the war ended.

Charos
03-12-2004, 10:50 PM
I would like to know this as well --the Red Arrow appears on all operationl JG1 HE162's, I have never been able to find out its origin or why it appears there.

Bula
03-12-2004, 11:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charos:
I would like to know this as well --the Red Arrow appears on all operationl JG1 HE162's, I have never been able to find out its origin or why it appears there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a stab in the dark: didn't these a/c have to be towed to take-off position? Maybe the red arrow was there to remind the guy driving the tow vehicle that he'd cause serious damaged to the a/c if he attempted to back up while towing?

03-12-2004, 11:27 PM
Somebody do a test. Paint arrows on a skin for some Allied fighter and see if it makes a difference compared to the regular arrowless configuration. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

SKY_BOSS
03-13-2004, 12:22 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just to funny

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Gershy
03-13-2004, 12:53 AM
It was meant to confuse allied pilots. The Mustang pilot saw the arrow and thought "yeah, he's going to fly into that direction!!!" but tthe sneaky German all of a sudden turned to get on his six. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BfHeFwMe
03-13-2004, 01:05 AM
Look Ma, no props. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-13-2004, 01:26 AM
Salute

If you are talking about the yellow triangles, they are to indicate what type of fuel the ground crew should be using.

The Germans had two octane types, one 87, the other 93, and they were used in different aircraft and engines. Since multiple types often were based out of the same field, it was critical that the correct fuel was pumped into an aircraft's tank. Otherwise you would have those engines exploding when boost was used.

Other markers were used to denote where a filler cap for MW-50 was.

Leech_
03-13-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
It was meant to confuse allied pilots. The Mustang pilot saw the arrow and thought "yeah, he's going to fly into that direction!!!" but tthe sneaky German all of a sudden turned to get on his six. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wouldn't the best place for the arrow be the propeller hub then? I'm talking about total confusion of plane heading here!

They must have thought of this but didn't want to loose the increased thrust from the painted spiral on the propeller hub by repainting it.

Cheers,
Leech / Lufthunden
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Gershy
03-13-2004, 02:59 AM
yup that has to be the reason Leech or maybe they tried to save some money!!!! If you have to change your home airbase all of the time you'd have to buy new traffic signs and stuff to show people where the kitchen is, so in order to save money they just parked the planes on the Airfield in a way so people just had to follow the arrows to get to certain destinations.

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Well then, so long.Don't cry.
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Fehler
03-13-2004, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fennec_P:
The drag caused by the arrow much much less than, for example, a topless girl.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know, I have met some high speed, low drag chicks in my younger years! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Leech_
03-13-2004, 03:40 AM
Ingenious Gershy! Why make static road signs when you can add jet to them.. And use them as a fighter!

And then theres that positive economical aspect! WOW! No compromises here!

Cheers,
Leech / Lufthunden
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Gershy
03-13-2004, 03:50 AM
Maybe we should check the net and some books. Maybe we'll find some of them with Stop signs, dead end road signs, speed limits, parking signs, animal warnings,...

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So long.We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.Don't cry.
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity.
But at least you tried.

Alexi_Alx_Anova
03-13-2004, 03:52 AM
Ziss is za pointy end!

Alexi

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ElektroFredrik
03-13-2004, 04:16 AM
I don't know what those arrows were for
but i think the spiral on the prop hub was
there to hypnotize Allied pilots to fly
straight, level and slow, making them easy
targets. Too bad all the luftwaffe pilots
were noobs who couldn't hit a zeppelin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Leech_
03-13-2004, 05:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
Maybe we should check the net and some books. Maybe we'll find some of them with Stop signs, dead end road signs, speed limits, parking signs, animal warnings,...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My granduncle was in a very high position during the WW2, heres one confidential blueprint, for your eyes only!:

http://tinyurl.com/2m3fx

Cheers,
Leech / Lufthunden
www.lufthunden.com (http://www.lufthunden.com)

Extreme_One
03-13-2004, 05:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leech_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
Maybe we should check the net and some books. Maybe we'll find some of them with Stop signs, dead end road signs, speed limits, parking signs, animal warnings,...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My granduncle was in a very high position during the WW2, heres one confidential blueprint, for your eyes only!:

http://tinyurl.com/2m3fx

Cheers,
Leech / Lufthunden
http://www.lufthunden.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!!
Well done!

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Menthol_moose
03-13-2004, 05:29 AM
the tamiya corsair I just built has arrows facing foward on the wings.

its not just a german thing.

KSS_Jester_UK
03-13-2004, 05:41 AM
Damn it, I just tested it on a russian plane and it's not even modeled. No extra speed at all! What's going on Oleg? Is my arrow too small?

Gershy
03-13-2004, 05:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leech_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
Maybe we should check the net and some books. Maybe we'll find some of them with Stop signs, dead end road signs, speed limits, parking signs, animal warnings,...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My granduncle was in a very high position during the WW2, heres one confidential blueprint, for your eyes only!:

http://tinyurl.com/2m3fx

Cheers,
Leech / Lufthunden
http://www.lufthunden.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I didn't know you had a relative in the LW!!! My grandmother was a pilot there as well. Actually she was in a reserve unit that's why she was not allowed to park her plane at an important streetcrossing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif but still we have a pic of her plane in the family album

http://www.greenhearts.org/images/screenshots/137.jpg

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So long.We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.Don't cry.
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity.
But at least you tried.

Koohullin
03-13-2004, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KSS_Jester_UK:
Damn it, I just tested it on a russian plane and it's not even modeled. No extra speed at all! What's going on Oleg? Is my arrow too small?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it is not stylized enough. You have to make like a lightning bolt.

Leech_
03-13-2004, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
I didn't know you had a relative in the LW!!! My grandmother was a pilot there as well. Actually she was in a reserve unit that's why she was not allowed to park her plane at an important streetcrossing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif but still we have a pic of her plane in the family album

http://www.greenhearts.org/images/screenshots/137.jpg
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well everybodys part in the war counts. I've done some reading of history and it shows that the "He162 multipurpose reserve STOP-staffel" had the BEST record of accident free crossings on level crossing, grade crossing, T -intersection, S bend..... You name it! (The worst record was for the one plane simulating green lights)

So salute to Your Grandmother!

Cheers,
Leech / Lufthunden
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Woof603
03-13-2004, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI-Aflak:
like this:
http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Jagdflieger/Luftwaffe/Schmitt_Rudolf/schmitt_rudolf_profil.jpg

Is it because they were afraid to forget which was was which or something? Was there a large problem with pilots getting into their a/c and sitting backwards? Did pilots try to take off in reverse or something?

Maybe it was something to ease shipping and handeling, like a "this side up" arrow?

Please enlighten me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know about the German airplanes, but the Boeing 727 used to have a large arrow on the throttle pedestal pointing forward, I guess to help those who didn't have logical minds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

http://www.spaads.org/denmark/spsabre.JPG

Leech_
03-13-2004, 03:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I don't know about the German airplanes, but the Boeing 727 used to have a large arrow on the throttle pedestal pointing forward, I guess to help those who didn't have logical minds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correct me if Im wrong, but for real the throttle was inverted in most german aircraft (ie. Bf109 throttle increase happened pulling lever backwards). So maybe there really was a bad need for directions in boeing for the pointy german pilots http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,
Leech / Lufthunden
www.lufthunden.com (http://www.lufthunden.com)

dandruff_
03-13-2004, 04:00 PM
maybe the arrow was a kind of warning "watch out, there is an antenna here and it can stab you, or even worse, you can harm it! zo bitte stay sehr long away from it!"

Covino
03-13-2004, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dandruff_:
maybe the arrow was a kind of warning "watch out, there is an antenna here and it can stab you, or even worse, you can harm it! zo bitte stay sehr long away from it!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo! The arrow was painted as a warning for ground crews to keep an eye out for the antenna.
A long, pale-gray, antenna spells trouble for crews and airmen cruising around in their Kubelwagons.

Charos
03-13-2004, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dandruff_:
maybe the arrow was a kind of warning "watch out, there is an antenna here and it can stab you, or even worse, you can harm it! zo bitte stay sehr long away from it!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dandruff I think you Hit the Pitot tube right on the Head. Sometimes things are so obvious they get overlooked.

The HE162 with its Trycicle landing gear and Pitot Tube Stuck on the Nose makes it an OPERATIONAL Ground Hazard. The Large Red Nose arrow would act as a Warning Sign to Ground crew to be carefull since the Pitot Tube is about Stomach Hight.
I also just Noticed that as well as the Arrow a Picture on Lech field clearly shows some HE162's with a two coloured warning Flags attached to a Sock pulled over the Pitot tube -with the Flag hanging straight down.

Also Ground Crew attaching the Tow Bar to the Front Wheel would be Bending down to Fasten and unfasten the Bar to Taxi the HE162 to the Takeoff point. In thiscase the Pitot Sock would Not be attached so the Only Reminder of a Pitot Tube about to Poke our Eye out would be the Nice BIG RED Warning Arrow.

Also there are other colour renders showing the Pitot Tube Painted RED - as another means of Warning.

So the Arrow appears to be both a compromise between ground safety and a Nice Catchy symbol to use for a Fighter Plane.

03-14-2004, 08:58 PM
Looking through old family pictures I found a photo of my grandfather's Stearman. I kid you not--- there was a big ARROW painted on it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Aztek_Eagle
03-14-2004, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cosmokart:
Probably just for fun and decoration.

Allied pilots usually preferred pinup girls. Given the choice between cutie girls or _arrows_, it's obvious that arrows lost the war ;-)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

mm afther reading this all seems clear now, i have figured out why the axis airforce were destroy, they always got distracted by the hottis painted on the noses of airplanes

WTE_Ibis
03-15-2004, 12:37 AM
It was to show the oncoming air that it must flow over these parts of the plane or else
"there vood be trubble!"