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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:06 AM
Many people have said that the 109-G6AS is the best of the 109s. My question is why. The K-4 has better speed and climb. The early models such as the F series have better manuvability. So what makes the G-6AS better than any of these?

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:06 AM
Many people have said that the 109-G6AS is the best of the 109s. My question is why. The K-4 has better speed and climb. The early models such as the F series have better manuvability. So what makes the G-6AS better than any of these?

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:07 AM
I also mean in the latest patch 1.11

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:10 AM
Personally, I like the F4 the best,but plenty of folks would disagree with me. I think it has the best balance and is the apex of the 109 design. Everyone loves the K4,but it's never really "clicked" with me....

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:29 AM
the special Bf 109 K4 nr (no rudder) variant was the best....... hehehe lol.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:31 AM
Fly them all, and pick the one you like. You don't need anybody to tell you what you like.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:38 AM
I have seen it claimed the g6as sustained climb up to 8000 or so is better than the K4. Some people also claim the g6as will run longer under overheat without damage than the K4.

The K4 has better top speed.

I have not tested this in game but i spossible as the G6as was a limited production special prototype whereas teh K4 was later but an attempt to produce a high performance mass produced standardised late 109.


It would be interesting to see someone do an in-game comparison between the two.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 08:22 AM
All depends on what you fly like. The range of 109s is astounding. Go with the K4 and fly high and fast, or hop in the F4 or even G2 and turn/burn with everything but an I-16, I-153 or Yak3. Everything else is fodder for you and leave the gunpods at home.



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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 08:33 AM
Up to 2000mt the topspeed of the G6/AS is very close to the topspeed of the K4 and the climbrate is quite similar too. The G6 AS handles better, is less stiff and the surfaces seem to work a little better too, elevators for first. This is why some do chose the G6 AS rather than a K4.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:17 PM
Anyone have any more opinions about this?

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:21 PM
Here's one. Fly the Fw190.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:23 PM
K4 for me. Climbs well, turns well....dives well too. Best looking plane too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:25 PM
The F-2 is not bad, just bring some rocks along to throw at the other pilots since its cannons will do absolutely no damage. Whatever 109 I fly, I always wrap a couple of layer of reynold wrap around the cowling to double the protection of it's engine.

Hunter82
09-10-2003, 10:26 PM
poo poo K4 ..... G2,F4,G6 A/S or any of the Emil's...


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:28 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- poo poo K4 ..... G2,F4,G6 A/S or any of the
- Emil's...
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- Sorry Ivan


How dare ya!!??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:35 PM
necrobaron wrote:
- Personally, I like the F4 the best,but plenty of
- folks would disagree with me.

Against airplanes of the same year, it is but against later ones it lacks power, speed, and weapons' punch.

But, as a whole, it's the best balanced one.

For late war types, maybe some favour the G6AS (not a prototype, it was widely used) because it seems to turn better and would, therefore, be a better dogfighter at low level.

But, above 6000m or against bombers, I would favour the K4 wich is faster and has a better armament (than the standard G6AS, not the 30mm equipped one).

Hunter82
09-10-2003, 10:38 PM
I prefer the 20's so I stay away from the G10 up Ivan /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:41 PM
After this Devil Patch, I Prefer the G2,F4,G6AS

Im very upset about the 109's they took a masive hit the shooting of the guns has some wierd Delay there way less accurate than they were previousley while all the russian ac can hit you accurataly from extended ranges

a Yak3 shot me from .8 & kills Engine LMAO

Im very disapointed

Did I mention Im preaty disapointed

I was able to live with the change from Release of FB to 1.1b but now from 1.1b to 1.11 its a freekin Joke

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 02:35 AM
cozmo_d wrote:
- After this Devil Patch, I Prefer the G2,F4,G6AS
-
- Im very upset about the 109's they took a masive hit
- the shooting of the guns has some wierd Delay there
- way less accurate than they were previousley while
- all the russian ac can hit you accurataly from
- extended ranges
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odd cos you can now snipe with mk108 wing cannon in a 190 right out to 700-800 metres or more





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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:56 AM
cozmo_d wrote:
- After this Devil Patch, I Prefer the G2,F4,G6AS
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- Im very upset about the 109's they took a masive hit
- the shooting of the guns has some wierd Delay

I think ya got some kinda problem here. Are you saying this only happens in 109s & always happens off-line & on ?

I dunno but maybe you need to start over.
Try posting this & your patch steps over at the tech support forum.

Can anyone else confirm this ?

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 05:18 AM
Yes, I find the 109 cannon is a lot hard to aim now. It almost seems as if the projectile travels much slower than it used to.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 06:57 AM
i will say that when i fly the g6as the 20mm variant 9not the mk108 nosed monster) is my preferred choice

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:44 AM
GR142_Astro wrote:
- All depends on what you fly like. The range of 109s
- is astounding. Go with the K4 and fly high and fast,
- or hop in the F4 or even G2 and turn/burn with
- everything but an I-16, I-153 or Yak3. Everything
- else is fodder for you and leave the gunpods at
- home.


Are you saying the f4 and g2 can turn and burn with la7, la5 etc ? or do you mean they should be able to cos in game they certainly don't or am i missing something?

Just a thought in object viewer best turning 109 is f series which is stated at 19.5 secs but in real life i thought myself and have heard others mention that it should be 18 secs the object viewer was the first time i heard 19.5 for f series so:

Which is correct anyone?

Does oleg use object viewer turn ar RL or different?

In game yak3 and la7 turn at 15-16secs when should be 18 has anyone tested f series with latest 111 patch?

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:18 AM
johno__UK,

This is based purely on my online experience. I fly the Zebra Telecom servers with mostly Russian players and I've seen some eye-watering moves by folks in F4s and even G2s.

But, we are talking about those crazy low and slow fights with flaps deployed and wingtips hitting the weeds. The lighter 109s have this amazing ability to chop throttle and slam on the brakes.

Stay fast you say? Sounds like a good idea but once you've determined that he has cut power and is making some hard moves it seems almost impossible to extend because they accelerate like a rocket. So yes, the La's are dead down in the weeds with the F4/G2. P39s and I-16s are the counter.

I'm not sure of your definition of a turn and burn fight, so maybe this is a turn fight without the burn! Anyway, it is great fun on both sides of the coin.



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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 07:12 AM
I still like the F2.In offline campaigns I did well with it against I16's,Hurris,Yaks and LaGGs.That plane made me grudging with my ammo.
Online I'd choose an E7 or F4 as real peeps don't normally sit and take a three second drill of 15mm up the jacksie

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edit ; can someone tell me whether the 15mm shells on the 151/15 were explosive or not.I must admit I cant remember seeing any flashes when they hit.Seems like it has a really high rate of fire but that the effects of the shells are more kinetic than incendary.

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