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Miranger
12-26-2011, 02:49 PM
Yesterday on deathmatch 3 games in a span of 5 were in St.Michel it blew my mind how people were on the roof %90 of the time for 100pt kills...
5 ppl were up there where the wire connects the square & lower buildings... It was unreal.
Even with like 4 kills i managed 5k while everyone else had 2k'ish. I think at some point all 3 of my pursuers were on the roof with my target.. It wasn't fun...

lukaszep
12-26-2011, 03:06 PM
This is why i stopped playing AC:R MP.
I loved MP in AC:B, but AC:R MP is not fun. It's a shame, because if there was a way to counter constant roofers, and un stealthy players in general, it would still be playable for me.
'Roofers' have many ways to counter stealth players, whereas vice versa, there are none. The MP has become extremely one sided.

Btw this topic belongs in the MP forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LightRey
12-26-2011, 03:07 PM
Ehm, maybe you'd like to post this in the Multiplayer forum?

Black_Widow9
12-27-2011, 03:35 AM
I'm going to move this here-
Assassin's Creed Multiplayer Discussion (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=&f=2361024388)

deadly_thought
12-27-2011, 04:22 AM
welcome to the multiplayer forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MSM should be immediately removed from the DM maps and replaced with a night version of galata and a dusk version of souk

im pretty sure the only reason its there is to annoy everyone anyway

ultra riku
12-27-2011, 05:33 AM
Grab kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

kingbakuso
12-27-2011, 05:53 AM
i dunno about u guys but i solved my roofer problem...KNIFE theyre arses xD but im serious i now love TK more then ever becuz in just like the hidden gun its the best way to get roofers. however u could always kill another persona that doesent look like them if ur tired of chasing roofers. that seems to be the solution these days

metalgearso1971
12-27-2011, 06:11 AM
One of my tricks to get roofers off the roof is to have them come to me. If they want to get points sooner or later they have to come down and that's when I usually strike.

If a have a roofer as a target I just wait for him to get somewhere where I can knive him. Or if I'm lazy I just shoot him. If however it takes too long for me to get them I kill an NPC and move on. I actually had some sessions with roofers and runners recently, I just shot the roofers and knived the runners http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Or, as someone else said, hang on the edge of the roof when everybody's on there and you'll get some nice Grab Kills (450 points).

demFroG
12-27-2011, 07:28 AM
You can also smoke bomb the folks on the wire...all of them will fall off. Its really pretty funny when three guys fall off the wire.

lRushdown
12-27-2011, 08:02 AM
If I see my pursuer on those wires, I smoke bomb them off and stun them every time. Not the best use of a smoke bomb, but I like to get the point across that they're extremely obvious and are sitting ducks up there.

LadyGahan2010
12-27-2011, 08:13 AM
I agree with OP and I would also add, remove Knight's Hospital - or at least change part of the map for it.
I also noticed how people who responded here missed a couple of points:
1. You can't grab kill someone on a wire.
2. If it's my pursuer I would stay away from the wire in MSM, however if it's Knight's Hospital my room for maneuver is so small I'd have to sit in one blend group all the time to avoid roofer.
3. and what about if it's my target that sits on the wire/roof and it's a simple deathmatch? I have to go up, expose myself, and increase my chances of getting killed by 50% at least if not more.

Just yesterday, I was playing with a room full of level 1-10 in MSM. FOUR of out these people went on the wire and found out how to play monkeys on that thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Oh, btw, simple deathmatch. No abilities. I say, if you want to explore HOW your character moves, what you can do with it, why don't you go to the training ground and stop ruining the game for those who have known dino walk and monkey dance for a few months now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

behrskins
12-27-2011, 08:17 AM
I hate roofers too but they are easy enough to deal with. The best advice I can give is get an early lead because you end up with 2 or 3 pursuers and if the people on the roof want points, more than likely their target is chasing me. I'm the camped out under some cover so a roofer can't jump on me.

Next best solution is to kill a civilian if you know your target is a roof camper.

A really fun trick for killing roofers and getting a grab kill, lob your smoke up on the roof at them when they are hangout on near the edge. Can't do that on the old maps because the jump range is so large but the newer maps they seem to have shortened the distance that you can jump to a kill.

Just Krispy
12-27-2011, 08:21 AM
I agree that there really is no counter for them. If you go up after them, they see you come from a mile off and can stun you. If you wait for them to come down, you kill them but they have gotten their roof kill, what do they care? 100 point gun kill will not deter them from going back up there...same as knives. Everything has a cooldown so they can roof some more while you are waiting for that stuff to come back....

LadyGahan2010
12-27-2011, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by behrskins:
I hate roofers too but they are easy enough to deal with. The best advice I can give is get an early lead because you end up with 2 or 3 pursuers and if the people on the roof want points, more than likely their target is chasing me. I'm the camped out under some cover so a roofer can't jump on me.

Next best solution is to kill a civilian if you know your target is a roof camper.

Spending half the match under the roof in MSM is boring but I do that. What's the fun if you have to confine yourself to very small portion of the map... ? None.
Oh, btw, killing npcs to get a new contract? uhm, that doesn't work well with the current algorithm that repeatedly gives you the same contract time and time again.

behrskins
12-27-2011, 08:29 AM
I have hard an issue with getting the same target over and over again, although I notice the same people getting my contract repeatedly. Had one the other day, stunned him and when got up got apparently got my contract again and killed as I was stunning another pursuer.

As for MSM, no need to to really camp under a roof there. I spend most of my time in the open area by the priest and occasionally head up the high room to change things up. I love MSM. I always score well there.

A Cupcake Nurse
12-27-2011, 08:29 AM
Hah! I was in MSM last night too. Literally the entire lobby was roofing. Though I think there were only 5 of us. I wasn't taking the game seriously and thought it was hilarious~ I was on the wire with my target on another roof, and couldn't get to him because another player wouldn't move from the wire... so I waited, and his pursurer got him off for me. lol!

If it's just one loose cannonor two running around, I get annoyed and break out a gun, but if its the whole lobby, I turn my serious mode off and just see how many people I can get killed, by being annoying myself lol!

najzere
12-27-2011, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by LadyGahan2010:
1. You can't grab kill someone on a wire.
Yeah you can.

Chernzobog
12-27-2011, 12:44 PM
Agree with the OP. It was funny, after not playing ACR for almost a month, I got dragged back in to participate in a laid back series of clan scrims. 'Well' I thought at the end of a few rounds, 'that was actually kind of fun. Maybe I should give some actual lobbies a chance.' So I hopped into a Wanted game that was already about a minute in and: Everyone.Was. On. The. Roof.
I wanted a screen shot of it.

TalentedTrack98
12-27-2011, 01:25 PM
Just grab kill them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

swiftavenger212
12-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Yesterday out of 8 people in lobby about 6 of them were on top of stalls in venice, funniest thing ever..Fortunately they were bad players and were easy kills.

I dont mind roofers as long as its not wanted...Its just annoying there.

Knives are awesome btw.

Miranger
12-27-2011, 02:03 PM
You guys need to stop with this grab kills stuff yes its nice IF YOU GET TO DO IT! chances are you wont. There was no way in my original scenario to climb up & not get seen by 3 guys standing next to my target one of them would have aerial killed me.

E-Zekiel
12-27-2011, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by lukaszep:
This is why i stopped playing AC:R MP.
I loved MP in AC:B, but AC:R MP is not fun. It's a shame, because if there was a way to counter constant roofers, and un stealthy players in general, it would still be playable for me.
'Roofers' have many ways to counter stealth players, whereas vice versa, there are none. The MP has become extremely one sided.

Btw this topic belongs in the MP forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Knife, gun, thrown smoke bomb if they're low enough. And yes, grab kills are rewarded very, very well.


Originally posted by LadyGahan2010:
I agree with OP and I would also add, remove Knight's Hospital - or at least change part of the map for it.
I also noticed how people who responded here missed a couple of points:
1. You can't grab kill someone on a wire.
2. If it's my pursuer I would stay away from the wire in MSM, however if it's Knight's Hospital my room for maneuver is so small I'd have to sit in one blend group all the time to avoid roofer.
3. and what about if it's my target that sits on the wire/roof and it's a simple deathmatch? I have to go up, expose myself, and increase my chances of getting killed by 50% at least if not more.

Just yesterday, I was playing with a room full of level 1-10 in MSM. FOUR of out these people went on the wire and found out how to play monkeys on that thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Oh, btw, simple deathmatch. No abilities. I say, if you want to explore HOW your character moves, what you can do with it, why don't you go to the training ground and stop ruining the game for those who have known dino walk and monkey dance for a few months now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

For simple death match, you need to either take an early lead, or just kill your target by whatever means then get back to teh ground for your pursuer to force some people down.


Originally posted by PMSKrispy:
I agree that there really is no counter for them. If you go up after them, they see you come from a mile off and can stun you. If you wait for them to come down, you kill them but they have gotten their roof kill, what do they care? 100 point gun kill will not deter them from going back up there...same as knives. Everything has a cooldown so they can roof some more while you are waiting for that stuff to come back....

Oh, it definitely annoys them, I can assure you. Part of my strategy for dealing with roofers is demoralizing them. Basically, killing them quickly, frequently, and in a very sudden manner, and if possible, in an extremely ****ish manner.

Oh, you stunned your pursuer on the roof in assassinate mister roofer? Guess what. You aren't gonna get the focus kill, cause I just shot you right before you could.

Collinwood01
12-27-2011, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by demFroG:
You can also smoke bomb the folks on the wire...all of them will fall off. Its really pretty funny when three guys fall off the wire.

This http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Kogia
12-27-2011, 05:40 PM
Tis all part of the fun festive holidays, in Abstergo world Christmas is the time for roofing.

Twas the same in the great Christmas roofing celebration of the year 2010.

deadly_thought
12-27-2011, 07:35 PM
everytim e someone brings it up the roofers come out to say its not a problem look at them all how would they know anyway theyre on the roof

XxKillaChaosxX
12-27-2011, 08:40 PM
You know what the worst part is? Vidic is rewarding these morons!
Also, the most awesomest of awesome ways to humiliate these types? Animus hack streaks. The kill version=a perfect time for the overused Drowning Pool song "Bodies" to play.

deadly_thought
12-27-2011, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by XxKillaChaosxX:
You know what the worst part is? Vidic is rewarding these morons!
Also, the most awesomest of awesome ways to humiliate these types? Animus hack streaks. The kill version=a perfect time for the overused Drowning Pool song "Bodies" to play.

ROTFL FLOOOOOOOOOOR

InfamousQ1987
12-27-2011, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Collinwood01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by demFroG:
You can also smoke bomb the folks on the wire...all of them will fall off. Its really pretty funny when three guys fall off the wire.

This http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The funny thing is...i did this today several times the the same player(Who of course was "Roofing"). It was on MSM (Roofers Kingdom), and I always stay on the ground with that map. I hadn't had a pursuer for a while and took thier tactics to roof.... threw my smoke she would fall, i would get my focus, and kill her with an ariel kill. I didn't realize that my smoke knocked everyone off of the wire until I looked back. Pretty funny stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Chronomaancy
12-28-2011, 01:44 AM
I find it quite rare to get a drop kill so I just don't play ACR. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

IIVeterano
12-28-2011, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by XxKillaChaosxX:
You know what the worst part is? Vidic is rewarding these morons!
Also, the most awesomest of awesome ways to humiliate these types? Animus hack streaks. The kill version=a perfect time for the overused Drowning Pool song "Bodies" to play.

totally agree

vidic should fir....

wont say it. Vidic might get me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

persiateddy95
12-28-2011, 06:06 AM
Call Roof_PolishER.

InfamousQ1987
12-28-2011, 10:00 PM
I tink if you are on the roof your RDM shouldn't build up to Incog. I think is should let you know your target is in your Line of Sight. If my pursuer is exposed and on a roof... I lock them and taunt him/her. It's the best when all 3 of my pursuers are side by side Roofing. When my target is on the roof, I would walk around in thier LoS and then walk up to the building and climb it. Hang on the edge and perfom a grab kill. Works most of the time...for me at least.

behrskins
12-29-2011, 09:32 AM
I've seen several mentions now of MSM being a roofers paradise. The matches I'm in I don't see it. Then again, I get the lead early so everyone has to come to the ground if they want to get a kill. Makes for lots of stuns and escapes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I redid my perks and abilities and tried some new tactics yesterday and my scoring jumped over 1k per game. My best score just falling short of 10k. Mind you this is all in Wanted.

One of the new tactics was if there were lots of roofers I would run up on the roof, get them trigger a chase and then duck out for an easy escape. My best game I was in a lobby full of roofers and had 14 escapes and 11 stuns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif silly roofers