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MrBlueSky1960
07-21-2007, 01:57 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Cold War II...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/IMAGE0006.jpg

alert_1
07-21-2007, 02:15 AM
Hehe, sometimes is good to have F14..or NOT? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

leitmotiv
07-21-2007, 02:25 AM
Well, the dear old War of Nerves is back again. Better haul some Lightnings out of the museums. Blackjacks are serious stuff. Putin apparently thinks he can bully the UK like the Baltic states. Time for the gang at 1C to defect before the trade embargoes.

alert_1
07-21-2007, 02:51 AM
It was old tu95, nevertheless just imagine what could happen if two B52 intrude into russian air space...time for US Navy to phase in F14D into service again and refill those big AIM54..

NAFP_supah
07-21-2007, 04:15 AM
Hmm return to Cold War sized airforces .... hmmm .... "How horrible"

HayateAce
07-21-2007, 04:33 AM
Russkies trying to follow the pattern of 1900's Germany.

Get Fiesty > Get Owned > Get Fiesty > Get Owned...

They really want a piece of the RAF-USAF?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f15/f15_18.jpg

MEGILE
07-21-2007, 04:47 AM
First pilot to shoot one down gets a prize http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

carguy_
07-21-2007, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Putin apparently thinks he can bully the UK like the Baltic states.


Why do you think he thinks he can bully those states?Because the whole EU doesn`t give a damn about it.Even in EU evein in NATO POland cannot count on western "allies" support.Same old BS from the thirties. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

leitmotiv
07-21-2007, 06:33 AM
Unfortunately, absolutely true. History is repeating itself.

Stew278
07-21-2007, 08:25 AM
Isn't Putins's term of office almost finished? Hopefully the next Russian president will be more level headed and have less of an old-school, cold war mentality. The last thing we need is to go back to 50 years of constant saber rattling.

leitmotiv
07-21-2007, 08:50 AM
Again, unfortunately, he said he intends to "guide" from behind the scenes after he steps down---this was the pretense Stalin used when he only allowed himself to be Party Secretary. Putin is ex-KGB. He knows no limits---as demonstrated by a dangerous radioactive assassination on British soil.

VW-IceFire
07-21-2007, 08:56 AM
Woa...its like the Cold War is on again. Hopefully the politicians can, as usual, pull themselves back from doing something stupid.

crazyivan1970
07-21-2007, 09:08 AM
Dont believe everything you read.... especially yellow press. I cant believe that grown man like you guys are oversimplifying it to this degree...

SeaFireLIV
07-21-2007, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Dont believe everything you read.... especially yellow press. I cant believe that grown man like you guys are oversimplifying it to this degree...

Simple. That`s cos some guys want a good old fashioned `enemy` again. And the Russkies were so easy, not like the pesky Alkaei da and their suicide attacks! It`s a good thing they don`t control the nukes or by now they`d be pressing the big red button!

zugfuhrer
07-21-2007, 09:40 AM
Soviet citizens where taught to not belive everything written in the press, though the paper got the name truth (pravda). Is it the same control of the press in the "free world" today?

DuxCorvan
07-21-2007, 10:08 AM
Quickly! Send me in a sexual mission to outbreed the whole East!

Mmmm.

Or West, I don't mind.

raaaid
07-21-2007, 10:27 AM
once i read in the paper el mundo:

government asks private channels to air terror movies

they wanted to pass a fascistic law called the kick in the door by which police could enter your home at any moment

Chris0382
07-21-2007, 11:11 AM
wHAT WOULD have happened if the Tornados interceppted at a later time. Would the bombers have flown of UK land and thus be subject to AA Fare and Square?

Blood_Splat
07-21-2007, 12:00 PM
Where is Oleg and the team located at?

Viking-S
07-21-2007, 12:01 PM
Now this is what happens when an undemocratic nation is in the hands of a few crocks that owns all resources and runs everything like their own country club including the defence!

Viking

Edit! LOL!

This is what happens when you have several windows open on a Saturday night and cuts and pasts! The above was supposed to be in a discussion about war on freedom in Iraq! They ware just as puzzled about "How can a nation be upset and **** its panties by just two airplanes that turns away long before they are even sighted by the defenders! Not the same material in the ranks as it used to be!"

LMAO!

Viking

KrasniyYastreb
07-21-2007, 12:31 PM
Please...
This kind of thing happens all the time. US aircraft fly next to China, Russian aircraft fly close to Alaska and get "intercepted" by fighters. With the exception of the incident with the US surveillance aircraft several years ago, it is a good way to keep pilots on both sides sharp. If the bombers had really breached UK airspace, it would be all over the front page of the BBC, not some yellow sensationalist newspaper.

The evil empire is coming. Better stock up on spam and bottled water. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

leitmotiv
07-21-2007, 04:28 PM
I guess blasting a former Russian secret service agent with a massive dose of radiation in London should be construed as having a biased attitude about Putin and the doings of the current Russian Govt. Then we see some aerial shenanigans right out of the old Cold War playbook which can only be seen as a shot across the bow of the UK after the British Govt ejected Russian diplomats. The recent use of muscle applied to Georgia, Belarus, the Ukraine, the Baltics, and Europe itself (natural gas) is, of course, lighthearted frivolity. Clearly, the bear is misunderstood, and only hoary, old Cold War-era fascists such as myself could have such a jaundiced eye about such a cuddly creature.

BoratSagdiyev_
07-21-2007, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I guess blasting a former Russian secret service agent with a massive dose of radiation in London should be construed as having a biased attitude about Putin and the doings of the current Russian Govt. Then we see some aerial shenanigans right out of the old Cold War playbook which can only be seen as a shot acsross the bow of the UK after the British Govt ejected Russian diplomats. The recent use of muscle applied to Georgia, Belarus, the Ukraine, the Baltics, and Europe itself (natural gas) is, of course, lighthearted frivolity. Clearly, the bear is misunderstood, and only hoary, old Cold War-era fascists such as myself could have such a jaundiced eye about such a cuddly creature.

In my countrie Kazakhstan, we like to make a sayings as follow:



pwned

Bo_Nidle
07-21-2007, 04:40 PM
It would appear that the bear has only been hibernating.

(By the way Borat, surely you know the words to your own national anthem:"....all the other countries run by little girls".)

DuxCorvan
07-21-2007, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by KrasniyYastreb:
Please...
This kind of thing happens all the time. US aircraft fly next to China, Russian aircraft fly close to Alaska and get "intercepted" by fighters.

Once I accidentally touched the leg of a woman with the back of my hand. And I got slapped!

Well it wasn't completely accidental.

It wasn't a leg, either.

But you got the point, mmm?

BoratSagdiyev_
07-21-2007, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
It would appear that the bear has only been hibernating.

(By the way Borat, surely you know the words to your own national anthem:"....all the other countries run by little girls".)


Original anthem before Kadzek reform 1974 say Gays but Uzbek lawyers with the horn on the heads make a suings for a hatespeech. In Us of A i can say anything because of the 1th amendment and no get CRUSHED. Is nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Copperhead310th
07-21-2007, 10:13 PM
@ Crazyivan.

Ivan i'm wondering what the Russain media is saying about the death of Litvinenko?
Accedent or murder?
What is Russain public opinion about the incident?

HayateAce
07-21-2007, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:


Once I accidentally touched the leg of a woman with the back of my hand. And I got slapped!

Well it wasn't completely accidental.

It wasn't a leg, either.

But you got the point, mmm?

You touched a woman's leg with the back of your head? Slapping sir, was not enough.

leitmotiv
07-22-2007, 12:25 AM
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/20-07-2007/95089-russian_bombers-0

Ruy Horta
07-22-2007, 03:49 AM
Its not like a lot of "defence" contractors jumping for joy and letting their media channels stir the matter into a new cold war that earns a lot more cash than that silly terrorist **** that just requires a lot of grunts on the scene.

Now at least we can go back to the real business of war.

Not buying...

MEGILE
07-22-2007, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I guess blasting a former Russian secret service agent with a massive dose of radiation in London should be construed as having a biased attitude about Putin and the doings of the current Russian Govt. Then we see some aerial shenanigans right out of the old Cold War playbook which can only be seen as a shot across the bow of the UK after the British Govt ejected Russian diplomats. The recent use of muscle applied to Georgia, Belarus, the Ukraine, the Baltics, and Europe itself (natural gas) is, of course, lighthearted frivolity. Clearly, the bear is misunderstood, and only hoary, old Cold War-era fascists such as myself could have such a jaundiced eye about such a cuddly creature.

Booyaka!

leitmotiv
07-22-2007, 04:08 AM
Your sig made me do it.

raaaid
07-22-2007, 05:25 AM
actually what recalls my attention the most of that sig are not the chicks but this:
Rambo IV:1-6 "Lord make me your instrument of piece,
Where there is hatred, let me bring love, Where there is darkness; light.
For it is in giving we receive, It is in pardoning we are pardoned,
it is in dying, that we awake to eternal life."


for more than i try i cant picture rambo saying that to the charlies

MEGILE
07-22-2007, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:



for more than i try i cant picture rambo saying that to the charlies

It isn't Rambo who actually says it.

Watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3FecKcifTo&mode=related&search=)

DuxCorvan
07-22-2007, 09:00 AM
"Instrument of PIECE?" I have one of those. Or did he say "Instrument of pss"? I also have one.

Bo_Nidle
07-23-2007, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by BoratSagdiyev_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
It would appear that the bear has only been hibernating.

(By the way Borat, surely you know the words to your own national anthem:"....all the other countries run by little girls".)


Original anthem before Kadzek reform 1974 say Gays but Uzbek lawyers with the horn on the heads make a suings for a hatespeech. In Us of A i can say anything because of the 1th amendment and no get CRUSHED. Is nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Theres no answer to that! http://www.chortle.co.uk/images/photos/small/emorecambe.jpg

JarheadEd
07-24-2007, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Once I accidentally touched the leg of a woman with the back of my hand. And I got slapped!

Well it wasn't completely accidental.

It wasn't a leg, either.

But you got the point, mmm?

Sounds like you were caught, tried, sentenced, and punished in a case of "Assault with a friendly weapon"

Beaufort-RAF
08-09-2007, 02:19 PM
The're ranging far and wide now.

Guam (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6938856.stm)

ploughman
08-09-2007, 02:22 PM
Nice article that, those happy Bears off making friends again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
08-09-2007, 02:51 PM
Some new things nasty are going on lately.
Lots of talk and pointing, none of it to be trusted.

DuxCorvan
08-09-2007, 03:48 PM
We need Alec Baldwin aboard that submarine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

flockzap
08-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Quickly! Send me in a sexual mission to outbreed the whole East!

Mmmm.

Or West, I don't mind.

You flank left and I flank right... then we switch ok?

Flockzap

Jaws2002
08-09-2007, 06:00 PM
With the treatment Putin got lately by Uk and USA I don't blame him.
Before Putin in Russia there were a bunch of people that became billionaires in two three years. Not by clean business, but by Russian Mafia type of corruption.
Every time some thief that robed the country is about to be arrested, he runs to UK and because he has plenty of dirty money he is kept safe.

Sorry I don't blame Putin. I grew up in a communist country and after the communism collapsed I saw how a handful of thieves got rich while pushing the country to bankruptcy.
All Putin tried to do was to cut down the big mafia.
Mafia has money and is financing all kind of propaganda against Putin abroad. And so many people fall for it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ploughman
08-10-2007, 02:51 AM
Disagree 97.45%

carguy_
08-10-2007, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
With the treatment Putin got lately by Uk and USA I don't blame him.

Ofcourse.Putin is the only knowing leader of the nation that will purge the world from bad people.



Before Putin in Russia there were a bunch of people that became billionaires in two three years. Not by clean business, but by Russian Mafia type of corruption.
Every time some thief that robed the country is about to be arrested, he runs to UK and because he has plenty of dirty money he is kept safe.


I`m afraid that`s none of your business.You`re just one of the people who didn`t get anything out of transformation and out of jealosy lloking to lock up those who made money.You sure it was illegal?You must then have some strong proof.Take it to the prosecutor`s office and inform that the law has been broken.
And he runs to UK because they obviously respect his laws.Maybe you should present your evidence to them if you`re so sure all of them are theives.




Sorry I don't blame Putin. I grew up in a communist country and after the communism collapsed I saw how a handful of thieves got rich while pushing the country to bankruptcy.
All Putin tried to do was to cut down the big mafia.

Right, and you felt bad and you had to o something about it,right? It`s not right that some might have gotten wealthy and not you!This is exactly the type of people who elect crazy nationalistic parties that have no knowledge whatsoever how to change the law system accordingly to international standards.They do not know how so they just lock`em without a shed of evidence.In my country ,the ruling party locked up few of the lobbists and they are sitting there over 3 years without a trial.I understand that bad guys have to be fought, but if the public prosecuotr does not obey the law then who should?!
You do not understand your role as a citizen.You are led by hate to those wealthy people because you didn`t make it and you vote accordingly.This way, you elect politicians who are on a crusade, not a term of office.
Putin does cut them down although without evidence.He cuts mafia too.Ok.Wait a minute!Didn`t hitler and mussolini do the same?Putin has himslef for a messiah and knows no bounds, either moral or formal.If you like such people to be at power ok, this noly points at your naiveness and lack of ability to think and foresee obvious consequences.




Mafia has money and is financing all kind of propaganda against Putin abroad. And so many people fall for it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Typical paranoid vision of a typical Putin-type electorate.


Don`t elect people who destroy, elect people who build.

OD_
08-10-2007, 04:30 AM
This talk of a new Cold War is really going a little overboard. The fact is Russia has Europe by the balls anyway with all of it's energy supplies. Until Europe can become self sufficient in providing it's own power, either through nuclear or renewable means.

NATO should in theory do a decent enough job of deterring Russia from any actual aggressive action against Europe itself. But based on the performance of some NATO nations wth regards to Afghanistan how much they can be relied upon is unclear.

Europe needs to wake up and start rebuilding, it's had a peace dividend for far too long and been too happy to live under the protective umbrella of the USA, that now needs to change and Europe needs to be able to defend itself. Relying on the USA is not going to be an option forever.

Europe (in the form of the EU) has the economic power but nothing substantial to back it up with. We do not need a common foreign policy for everything or a single European Army we just need to be able to defend the borders and the system which has been set up. People seem to have forgotten the primary role of government and the basis around which it was all formed in the first place was to defend it's borders and soverignty - not to pay for you when you're out of work, that's just the way things have worked out.

The whole thing is just being blown out of proportion by the media and people are happy to swallow everything without always doing any kind of research into the issue.

OD.

Beaufort-RAF
08-17-2007, 09:12 AM
Official new policy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6950986.stm)

leitmotiv
08-17-2007, 09:45 AM
I agree the U.S. screwed Russia royally in the '90's by making conversion to a capitalist economy literally overnight a condition for loans. The support of the incompetent and corrupt Yeltsin was an eye-gouge. At the time I suspected the U.S. would reap the whirlwind on this (I'm American). On the other hand, criminals had their grip on the USSR as early as the '70's, and, for that matter, the leadership of the USSR was corrupt as hell, brutal, and criminal. Not the fault of the people, certainly.

I have a suspicion Putin may be prodding the West to gain respect and leverage. He has a huge problem with Islamists, and the West and he can make common cause over this. At any rate, the game is afoot, and the days of a castrated bear are over for now. When Europe can get natural gas from alternative sources soon, the bear will lose billions. Oil and gas has bankrolled their resurgence, along with weapons sales to China.

ploughman
08-21-2007, 12:08 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mctomney/tiffiebear.jpg

NAFP_supah
08-21-2007, 12:58 PM
I remember tales of friends of mine intercepting bears in their F-104's over the north sea. O to be 25 back then and 20 cm shorter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (No not shorter there.)

ploughman
08-21-2007, 02:26 PM
I neglected to add that, as far as I know, that's the first Typhoon interception since it became operational in the RAF. T'was on the 19th of this month.

Linky winky. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/21/nraf121.xml)

csthopper
08-21-2007, 10:35 PM
Another good read on the subject
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2153669,00.html

Manu-6S
08-22-2007, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Sorry I don't blame Putin. I grew up in a communist country and after the communism collapsed I saw how a handful of thieves got rich while pushing the country to bankruptcy.


My cousin's wife is from Albania (former
communist country) and I remember she said to me:
- With communism there were some rich guys (corruption) while the others were poor.
- Now, after the fall of communism, there are a little more rich guys (corruption & thieves) while others are REALLY poor.

She said that 2 weeks after the fall of communism two guys went to her mother's house speaking about capitalism and the possibility to invest their money... she was fooled and lost all her money.

IMO Putin isn't a saint, but there are no saints in politic.

About this "proof of strenght" he's doing with bombers I think that it's a response to the missile shield:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1887320.ece

and this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/01/arctic.grab.ap/index.html

BTW, I'm worried about Putin's actions, but more about Bush's actions.

Beaufort-RAF
09-06-2007, 07:58 AM
More fun today, a mere 8 Bears this time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6981541.stm)

MEGILE
09-06-2007, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mctomney/tiffiebear.jpg

Good PR photo for the RAF's latest investment.

On a related note.
Chavez rekindles the fire of the falklands.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2368707.ece

The type 45 may be getting some action sooner than intended

ploughman
09-06-2007, 02:26 PM
8 Bears at once this time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Linky winky. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6981541.stm)

Viper2005_
09-06-2007, 03:23 PM
I wonder how long it'll take before they start flashing Tu-160s around?

Enforcer572005
09-06-2007, 06:14 PM
Ok, how much can you rely on a media that illustrates an article about Bears with a photo of a Tu-160. This is why the general public knows nothing of military matters.

Crazy Ivan is right....it's nothing to worry about. The only reason they haven't done this in a while is because they had no bloody money to pay for the bloody kerosene and spare parts.

And he has an image to keep up. Russia isn't gonna invade Europe or attack England or the US with bombers. They have a war to fight against their own Islamic terrorist enemies, and they cooperate with the west alot more than known on this.

Besides, the RAF, USAF, and USN need the training. You can't pay for such good training material as this.

And no, the defense contractors are not gonna reap any benefit from this unless people buy this goofy media hype.

JG6_Oddball
09-06-2007, 07:42 PM
http://jg6.net/images/reddawn.jpg


I knew this was more that just a movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif .. (loads backpack with http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif and AK clips...heads for rocky's)

Clipper_51
09-06-2007, 07:56 PM
Screw all this talk of Bears, Commies and world domination! Did you guys click that link above and check out the new Rambo movie!?!

Copperhead311th
09-06-2007, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
http://jg6.net/images/reddawn.jpg


I knew this was more that just a movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif .. (loads backpack with http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif and AK clips...heads for rocky's)

Don't lauhg. that film is pretty spot on to what the reality would be for any invading army on American soil. Only 10 times what it was in that move. While some states may fall like cupcakes...i can think of about 18 that'd still be fighting to the last partisan is dead.
All the Southern states
Alabama, Georgia, North Flordia, the Caolinas, Tennesee, Kentuky, Lousiana, Miss., Ark. West Virgina

Northern states:
Rual Mich, north & south Dekota
parts of Indiana, Iowa.

Western states, Texas, Norther parts of California, Idaho, Wyoming & montana.

Of those i listed...the guarilla fighters in Alabama/Miss/Georiga & idaho/Wyoming/Montana & teaxas would be the toughest to put down. and would be the source of the most ardent resistance.

ploughman
09-07-2007, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Ok, how much can you rely on a media that illustrates an article about Bears with a photo of a Tu-160.

Eh?

A Bear. Tu 95.

http://www.aviapedia.com/files/bombers/Tu-95/Tu-95MS_2.jpg

A Blackjack. Tu 160.

http://www.enemyforces.com/aircraft/tu160_2.jpg

The piccie in the article.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44100000/jpg/_44100035_newbear203i.jpg

Anyway, it's tradition for the media to post the wrong image. What's worrying is they got it right.

leitmotiv
09-07-2007, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:

it's tradition for the media to post the wrong image.

So true!

falling-bird
09-07-2007, 05:59 AM
Four pages triggered by the Daily Mail.

Is this a record?

danjama
09-07-2007, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by falling-bird:
Four pages triggered by the Daily Mail.

Is this a record?

it wasnt just in the daily mail, it was in every paper, and it is facts

nice sig picture tho

Beaufort-RAF
02-28-2008, 05:23 PM
For UK users, an interesting Newsnight report with some good footage of Bears and the Tu160, available on the BBC iplayer (Skip to 31.35 minutes).

Link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b0091xsn.shtml?src=ip_mlt)

BoCfuss
02-28-2008, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:

Don't lauhg. that film is pretty spot on to what the reality would be for any invading army on American soil. Only 10 times what it was in that move. While some states may fall like cupcakes...i can think of about 18 that'd still be fighting to the last partisan is dead.
All the Southern states
Alabama, Georgia, North Flordia, the Caolinas, Tennesee, Kentuky, Lousiana, Miss., Ark. West Virgina

Northern states:
Rual Mich, north & south Dekota
parts of Indiana, Iowa.

Western states, Texas, Norther parts of California, Idaho, Wyoming & montana.

Of those i listed...the guarilla fighters in Alabama/Miss/Georiga & idaho/Wyoming/Montana & teaxas would be the toughest to put down. and would be the source of the most ardent resistance.

I have lived in Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Oregon, California, and Idaho. Idaho would be a very tough nut to crack, as well as the others. I knew a guy in Oregon that would make bombs for the heck of it. Blow up small portions of the forest. A zillion guns in Idaho, but the knowledge of how to fight, and the ability to improvise by native Idahoans would defeat most anyone.

archermav
02-29-2008, 04:19 AM
Went to see RAMBO yesterday, what a great film. When I grow up I want to be John Rambo!!!!!!!

Capt.LoneRanger
02-29-2008, 04:46 AM
http://www.worldinconflict.com/us/

Good game btw. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

OD_
02-29-2008, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Ok, how much can you rely on a media that illustrates an article about Bears with a photo of a Tu-160. This is why the general public knows nothing of military matters.


The reference to being buzzed by the bear is actually nothing to do with the aircraft. In cartoons dating back to God knows when Russia was always depicted as a bear, Britain a Lion, France a Cockerill and so on. Buzzed by the bear is a reference to Russia.

The general public knows nothing about military matters because it is not seen as important to them, regardless of whether the a photo of a Tu-95 had been put in or not. People in Europe are still living behind the idea of the Peace Dividend...misguided but it's the way they've got used to thinking. People can't really be blamed for that after a Century of conflict in Europe - I am including the Cold War obviously.

Blutarski2004
02-29-2008, 06:27 AM
Frankly, I'm a great deal less concerned about Vladimir Putin than I am about Hugo Chavez. Chavez is a messianic megalomaniac who, IMO, will prove to be a dangerous problem to his Latin neighbors.

Chavez - yet another foreign policy "achievement" of the Clinton administration.

Pirschjaeger
02-29-2008, 07:21 AM
Four pages and yet no one seems to have mentioned it.

Are you scared enough to buy into an American missile defense system yet?

C'mon guys, do you really think the UK would go to war over 1 person?

"They assassinated a Brit (Russian) on UK soil!!"

and? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The only thing there is to fear is ignorance. It is ignorance that would facilitate the stage for the UK and Bush to play this to the point of war.

USS LIberty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_I-KTGT3M) anyone?

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
02-29-2008, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
http://jg6.net/images/reddawn.jpg


I knew this was more that just a movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif .. (loads backpack with http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif and AK clips...heads for rocky's)

Don't lauhg. that film is pretty spot on to what the reality would be for any invading army on American soil. Only 10 times what it was in that move. While some states may fall like cupcakes...i can think of about 18 that'd still be fighting to the last partisan is dead.
All the Southern states
Alabama, Georgia, North Flordia, the Caolinas, Tennesee, Kentuky, Lousiana, Miss., Ark. West Virgina

Northern states:
Rual Mich, north & south Dekota
parts of Indiana, Iowa.

Western states, Texas, Norther parts of California, Idaho, Wyoming & montana.

Of those i listed...the guarilla fighters in Alabama/Miss/Georiga & idaho/Wyoming/Montana & teaxas would be the toughest to put down. and would be the source of the most ardent resistance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, 300 millions of Americans take to the woods fully armed.

Besides an invading army, who'd survive that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Blutarski2004
02-29-2008, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
http://jg6.net/images/reddawn.jpg


I knew this was more that just a movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif .. (loads backpack with http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif and AK clips...heads for rocky's)

Don't lauhg. that film is pretty spot on to what the reality would be for any invading army on American soil. Only 10 times what it was in that move. While some states may fall like cupcakes...i can think of about 18 that'd still be fighting to the last partisan is dead.
All the Southern states
Alabama, Georgia, North Flordia, the Caolinas, Tennesee, Kentuky, Lousiana, Miss., Ark. West Virgina

Northern states:
Rual Mich, north & south Dekota
parts of Indiana, Iowa.

Western states, Texas, Norther parts of California, Idaho, Wyoming & montana.

Of those i listed...the guarilla fighters in Alabama/Miss/Georiga & idaho/Wyoming/Montana & teaxas would be the toughest to put down. and would be the source of the most ardent resistance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, 300 millions of Americans take to the woods fully armed.

Besides an invading army, who'd survive that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... You're right, probably not more than a half million or so would become active armed resisters, along with another ten or twenty million covert supporters. Subduing the USA would be a piece of cake for any invading army.

I'd suggest moving the national capital to Berkeley CA and would nominate Dennis Kucinich as our official quisling president.

Mercanario
03-01-2008, 01:21 AM
Russkies flexing again...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7266853.stm

Pirschjaeger
03-01-2008, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Mercanario:
Russkies flexing again...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7266853.stm

Mr Pushkov points to the US military budget, which dwarfs that of Russia.

"Everybody in the West talks about Russia re-arming itself and are hardly noticing what's going on on the other side of the ocean," he says.

Who's doing all the flexing? It seems to me that if you want to know who flexes the most, simply identify the "critics".

Where are the wrong-doings in Russia investing in its aviation industry? Before we exercise our freedom of speech, let's exercise our freedom of thought.

BTW, what is the difference between a missile defense sight and a missile launch sight?

Mercanario
03-01-2008, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mercanario:
Russkies flexing again...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7266853.stm

Mr Pushkov points to the US military budget, which dwarfs that of Russia.

"Everybody in the West talks about Russia re-arming itself and are hardly noticing what's going on on the other side of the ocean," he says.

Who's doing all the flexing? It seems to me that if you want to know who flexes the most, simply identify the "critics".

Where are the wrong-doings in Russia investing in its aviation industry? Before we exercise our freedom of speech, let's exercise our freedom of thought.

BTW, what is the difference between a missile defense sight and a missile launch sight? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Are you offended by the word "Flexing"?...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Pirschjaeger
03-01-2008, 03:17 AM
Ha ha ha, no and I apologize if I came across rather strongly.

It's only a few atoms that actually initiate an avalanche. It's only one piece of straw that breaks the camels' backs. It only takes a few words to start a war (Iraq/Kuwait).

I just hate to see good people being reduced by the bad people in leadership.

If you had never heard all the cold war hype or the recent news, after reading that article, that last thing on your mind would have been "flexing". It's just frustrating seeing what's happening.

BWaltteri
03-01-2008, 03:36 AM
Russian planes have ventured to break airspace elsewhere too. I'd guess their pilots are betting on who can remain longer.

TAW_Oilburner
03-02-2008, 07:26 AM
The only thing you can believe in the newspaper are the page numbers.

MEGILE
03-02-2008, 07:51 AM
I hear page 3 is fake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif