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Alaskan_Viking
03-28-2007, 06:02 PM
Hello, noob here!

I haven't played any flight sims in the last few years (does Ace Combat 4 count?) until I bought PF stand-alone a few months back, but my good 'ol MS sidewinder is so old it cannot even plug into my PC...

So I've just been using the keyboard, nothing much, just playing with one, or two friends over Hamachi. So I set out to buy a joystick, Like handguns, I believe it is important for a joystick to fit your hands, and to have controls in easily reachable positions, the term "Try before you buy" comes to mind. so when I was in Anchorage, I went to a store and held the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.

The Logitech felt good in my hand, and had all buttons and features I needed, but before I bought it, I researched it online and heard about some nasty reliability issues, which really put me off. so I researched other joysticks and eventually gravitated toward the CH Products Fighterstick, which has like 500 buttons, is supposed to last a century and it's even made in America!

Only problem is: the stick is fricking huge and I can't find it at any local stores, So I'd have to buy it online, and consequently I wouldn't be able to hold it and see whether or not my hands find it's ergonomics agreeable before I buy...

Anyways, What Joystick do you guys use, and what ones do you recommend? specifically, do any of you have the Fighterstick and what do ya think of it?

Lurch1962
03-28-2007, 06:51 PM
Viking,
If your nom de guerre is any kind of clue, might you be a big lad? Unless you've got fists of ham with fingers like kolbasa sausages, the CH Fighterstick should be good ergonomically. I'm 6' 2", although for my height it could be said I have somewhat delicate, mid-sized mitts.

As for durability, CH stuff makes the grade. Components are made from some alien-made super plastic that lasts and lasts... I'm up to just over 3 years of use with my full CH USB HOTAS kit, averaging about 20-25 hours/week. The potentiometers are still glitch-free, and only the slightest hint of stick looseness is felt.

--Lurch--

horseback
03-28-2007, 08:37 PM
One thing you need to be aware of is that the CH sticks do NOT come with a twist-rudder axis, unlike most sticks out there. CH makes a very nice set of rudder pedals that will set you back an additional $100 or so.

If you have family or friends living in the vicinity of a Frys' Electronics store, they can grab a CombatStick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals for you for around $330, including taxes. That'll give you up to 7 axes and 30+ buttons to play with, depending on how you set up your controller software.

On the plus side, anything from CH lasts practically forever, so if you play virtual pilot a lot, you will get your money's worth. Personally, I expect that my heirs will be squabbling over who gets my HOTAS setup in twenty or thirty years.

cheers

horseback

Waldo.Pepper
03-28-2007, 10:39 PM
does Ace Combat 4 count? NOPE! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Reconditioned X52 dollar for dollar I think best value for money.

http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-29-2007, 06:49 AM
CH PRODUCTS!!...ftw.

Alaskan_Viking
03-29-2007, 02:10 PM
"One thing you need to be aware of is that the CH sticks do NOT come with a twist-rudder axis, unlike most sticks out there."

Yeah, that is the only thing about the stick I do not like, (other then the fact I can't try it) but I think I'm just gonna take a risk on the ergonomics and order one from Amazon, along with a copy of '46.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-29-2007, 02:43 PM
X-52 best bang for buck plain and simple. Then later on you can always grab a set of pedals. I know many people throw out CH products and there good. I own the Pro pedals. But the X-52 is the more practical choice in my opinion. Very simple and straight forward programming and good driver support. You literally will not have to touch your keyboard again except to type.

Bearcat99
03-29-2007, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">does Ace Combat 4 count? NOPE! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Reconditioned X52 dollar for dollar I think best value for money.

http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely... even if you decide youi want to go with CH later... $69 (Alaskan Viking.. so I am assuming you are in the U.S.) for a decent HOTAS cant be beat with a stick.

Alaskan_Viking
05-02-2007, 11:57 PM
Toolate, CH Fighter stick is in th email.

I r teh WIN!1

Divine-Wind
05-03-2007, 07:13 AM
Eh, well, I'll chip in my 2 cents anyways - M$ FFB2 is the greatest stick I've ever used. Tough, heavy, and it has force feedback. The X-52 has a great throttle too, but the stick... Feels kinda cheap. (You almost expect to find a "Made in China" label somewhere on it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

ploughman
05-03-2007, 07:17 AM
Saitek are good if you're on a budget. Get one with FFB or just plain old 'rumble force' if you can, the feed back you get on the edge of a stall is pretty usefull. At the other end of the wallet, everyone recommends CH.

DirteeSanchez
05-03-2007, 07:32 AM
I think you will be very happy with the CH Fighterstick. I'm totally new to IL2 1946 and I purchased a CH fighterstick and Pro Throttle. The feel of the stick and throttle are excellent. I see myself improving daily and am very happy with my purchase.

Also, the programming software is fantastic. I suggest downloading a profile over at www.ch-hangar.com (http://www.ch-hangar.com) and then tinkering it to you liking. Those guys are very helpful and always responded to any questions I had. I'll send you my profile if you want along with a pdf of the mappings that you can print.

Anyway, just my two cents worth coming form a totally newb perspective http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BillyTheKid_22
05-03-2007, 08:18 AM
www.saitek.com/ (http://www.saitek.com/)

www.chproducts.com/ (http://www.chproducts.com/)



http://www.customrcmodels.com/163764710.gif

Krt_Bong
05-03-2007, 08:45 AM
Nothing says you cant mix your CH FS with a pair of Saitek pedals they have gotten good write ups
http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_104a.html

RevvinUK
05-03-2007, 01:03 PM
You mix the sticks as IL-2 supports more than one controller but I kinda like the Control Manager cms script for my CH pedals which gives me toe brakes on either pedal. It's not true differential brakes but the script switches the brake axis to whichever pedal is pressed first which IMHO feels far more intuitive than having one pedal especially taxiing and landing. By keeping it all CH you just have to download one profile through the Control Manager software, my current IL-2 profile includes a Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Flight Sim Yoke, Throttle Quadrant, Pro Pedals, Multi Function Panel and DT225 trackball.

Alaskan_Viking
05-03-2007, 03:20 PM
Yeah, thanks for all the help guys.

I'm only getting the stick though.

Maybe I'll get the Throttle und pedals sometime in the not so near future...

UgoRipley
05-03-2007, 03:46 PM
You must >absolutely< get the throttle as soon as possible, $$$ permitting !! ;-)
...I tell you (I own the Thrustmaster Cougar), with both hands on the commands, you really get the feeling of "being there" !!
Nothing can beat it.

I'm looking sooo much forward to buy me a set of pedals, and I'm pretty sure it'll be SimPed.

http://home.arcor.de/p.madel/simped/simp001.htm

Anyway, your choice of CH is a perfect start !

Bearcat99
05-04-2007, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by Alaskan_Viking:
Toolate, CH Fighter stick is in th email.

I r teh WIN!1

Does the fighter stick have a throttle on it? I thought it didnt. Whuuuups I see it does.