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neural_dream
01-15-2006, 05:31 AM
in planes like the La7 where you have only one button to press and there isn't an ammo counter.

Do you count the seconds of bursts you've fired or do you just feel when it's about time you ran out of ammo?

neural_dream
01-15-2006, 05:31 AM
in planes like the La7 where you have only one button to press and there isn't an ammo counter.

Do you count the seconds of bursts you've fired or do you just feel when it's about time you ran out of ammo?

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-15-2006, 05:38 AM
Fire guns, time how long it takes until your ammo runs out....should work for all planes.

Chuck_Older
01-15-2006, 05:46 AM
yes, I have a great book called "Little Friends" in which a Hurri pilot comments on "14 seconds worth of ammo". I don't think he had any idea how many rounds it was...but he knew how long he could hold the button down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Some planes will run out of ammo in one set of weapons first, then a short time later, all guns 'run dry'

In the USAAF, the tracers would be firing as a warning to the pilot that he was low on ammom. Trouble was, the Germans figured it out, too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

neural_dream
01-15-2006, 05:52 AM
Yes yes I know that Lowflyer. That's why I included the sec for each aircraft in the aircraft reference guide http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

What I asked is what YOU do,
particularly in one-button planes, where you can't have a set of guns that will finish earlier. Do you actually, in the heat of the battle, count the seconds of bursts you've fired?

Chuck_Older
01-15-2006, 06:07 AM
Oh that's easy. Sometime about when I run out of ammo, I think "Wow, shouldn't I be out of ammo?!" and then bam! I'm out. It's almost like magic: just when I think I have another burst, my guns are empty

Experience is the only way to know

WWSensei
01-15-2006, 06:13 AM
My method works 99% of the time.

If in a dogfight, and I mamange to make the perfect maneuver at the same moment my opponent makes a mistake and I am able to drop on his 6 at 50 meters with a beautiful killing shot--I know I am out of ammo.... never fails.

neural_dream
01-15-2006, 06:24 AM
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Low_Flyer_MkII
01-15-2006, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Yes yes I know that Lowflyer. That's why I included the sec for each aircraft in the aircraft reference guide http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

What I asked is what YOU do,
particularly in one-button planes, where you can't have a set of guns that will finish earlier. Do you actually, in the heat of the battle, count the seconds of bursts you've fired? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I try to, although various factors can distract my ice-cold killing machine mind - like Mrs Flyer's infamous "Wanna cup o' tea luv?" which invariably occurs just as the Hun is about to fill my gunsight.

5 x 3 second bursts (or a similar formula) - standard RAF doctrine during BoB.

Although I must confess WWSensei's method is foolproof. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
01-15-2006, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
in planes like the La7 where you have only one button to press and there isn't an ammo counter.

Do you count the seconds of bursts you've fired or do you just feel when it's about time you ran out of ammo? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well unless your flying a FW190 or a Bf109 you don't have any ammo counters so you have to basically make a guess.

In the La-5 models one of the two guns runs out of ammo before the other. Once you're down to a single cannon then you know you've got only a few rounds left. In most other aircraft there is something like this...but not in all.

What it comes down to is you sort of mentally keep track of how long you've been firing and how much is likely to be left. Like Chuck, I usually have a little voice that says "hey your probably almost out of ammo" and sure enough that voice is right almost all the time. Rarely am I surprised.

neural_dream
01-15-2006, 07:43 AM
Several planes have ammo counters

BF109F,G,K,Z
BF110
FW190 all
TA152
Ju87D,G
Me262
Me163
He162
B239
Buffalo
Hellcat
CR.42
G.50

Refer to a reference guide, either mine or an online one, for the location of the ammo counter in the cockpit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

PF_Coastie
01-15-2006, 07:47 AM
You can use THIS (http://free-st.htnet.hr/dvd/) outstanding little website to see all loadouts for all planes in the game. It also has cockpit reference pages.

Save it to your favorites for future reference, I use it all the time.

Dash_C.
01-15-2006, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Yes yes I know that Lowflyer. That's why I included the sec for each aircraft in the aircraft reference guide http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

What I asked is what YOU do,
particularly in one-button planes, where you can't have a set of guns that will finish earlier. Do you actually, in the heat of the battle, count the seconds of bursts you've fired? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why, I just count the number of bullets that leave the barrel and subtract it from the number of bullets that I started with, yeilding the number of bullets remaining. I highly recommend using this method, as it never fails.

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Low_Flyer_MkII
01-15-2006, 08:44 AM
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neural_dream
01-15-2006, 08:46 AM
I can't do that; I must be a very bad pilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LameDuck.
01-15-2006, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
You can use THIS (http://free-st.htnet.hr/dvd/) outstanding little website to see all loadouts for all planes in the game. It also has cockpit reference pages.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How do you tell how much ammo is left? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ohhh, this is an easy one. There's a little message in blue text on the right side of the screen. Works for me every time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

LEBillfish
01-15-2006, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
in planes like the La7 where you have only one button to press and there isn't an ammo counter.

Do you count the seconds of bursts you've fired or do you just feel when it's about time you ran out of ammo? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do a little of the latter.......

First off, I rarely unless going for steady bombers ever hold down the button.....My bursts typically are less then a second I'd guess, at the longest 1.5 seconds would sound right.

Now that sounds like a very short time, in truth it's not. Yet I don't count bursts, or figure seconds.....I simply engage, do what I must and when clear try and get out of the combat area (as funny how as you're lining up for landing how the enemy comes out of the wood work........So save ammo).

Because I'm conservative (not using long bursts or trying to get them to fly through your bullet stream) and not wasting ammo killing air. In most cases I have pleanty. If not due to a long drawn out engagement with many opponents.......I try and always be in a position to run if suddenly bang goes click.

So to a degree it's just a feeling (though I fly so many different planes even that can fool me).......So I simply engage to try and kill, but if I cripple them let them go....and at the first chance having inflicted my damage I bolt to safer ground to consider where I may be at (feeling) ammo/plane condition wise........then go from there.

My rule of thumb is if a plane I'm attacking is not going down or crippled in oh say 10-15 seconds from the time I fire my first burst, it's time to move on.........

The result?......If all went well (meaning I flew smart) I'll probably return home with half my ammo.......If I did not fly smart I'll be empty or darn close......So it's more a sense of how well I'm doing then the number of rounds I have left, and it works for me

alert_1
01-15-2006, 11:15 AM
Good dogfighters bring ammo home, Great ones don't.