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Sillius_Sodus
10-08-2008, 05:01 PM
Hi,

A bit off topic but I fired up my old copy of Jane's WWII fighters using a glide wrapper (dgVoodoo),

http://dege.freeweb.hu/

and by slowing down my system a bit with "pcu grabber",

http://www.geocities.com/kulhain/.

It's certainly not as sophisticated as IL-2 but the viewing system is better (smooth panning with the hat), the Big Band score is a hoot and the videos of interviews with vets is a real treat. Not a bad sim at all for it's time.

Anybody know where I can get a copy of Microprose's European Air War besides ebay, etc? Thanks.

stalkervision
10-08-2008, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Sillius_Sodus:
Hi,

A bit off topic but I fired up my old copy of Jane's WWII fighters using a glide wrapper (dgVoodoo),

http://dege.freeweb.hu/

and by slowing down my system a bit with "pcu grabber",

http://www.geocities.com/kulhain/.

It's certainly not as sophisticated as IL-2 but the viewing system is better (smooth panning with the hat), the Big Band score is a hoot and the videos of interviews with vets is a real treat. Not a bad sim at all for it's time.

Anybody know where I can get a copy of Microprose's European Air War besides ebay, etc? Thanks.

I love that game! Still do. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Thanks for the software to make it run again!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

F0_Dark_P
10-08-2008, 05:52 PM
Oh sweet memorys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Thanx! i will take a look on this for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sillius_Sodus
10-08-2008, 06:05 PM
BTW, those utilities will let you run DID's TAW and although the glide wrapper doesen't seem to work with EF2000, pcu grabber will at least let you run it at manageable speed.

Wabinaki
10-08-2008, 06:52 PM
will it work for european air war?

Beirut
10-08-2008, 07:53 PM
I've got countless hundreds of hours with Janes WWII Fighters under my belt. It was a great game with absolutely luscious graphics. I gave it up for Il2, but it was a hard fight.

The community is still alive and there are gadzoodle of mods for it. Truly one of the the classic flight sims.

Phil_C
10-08-2008, 08:17 PM
After Aces (over Europe and over the Pacific) Janes was the best WWII sim before IL2 cam out.

i still have it- box, full manual, and the CDs. Its awesome, and i remember how realistic it looked with the shell casings falling from the wings as you fired away.. so much fun!

Aaron_GT
10-09-2008, 07:32 AM
Anybody know where I can get a copy of Microprose's European Air War besides ebay, etc? Thanks.

Plus all the patches and how to get it to work on XP?

M_Gunz
10-09-2008, 10:03 AM
When SimHQ is up from maintenance again, check with the EAW topic.

IMO EAW suitably modded (with ECA and/or the hitbox and armor tweaker) beat Janes by a longshot.

IL2 just put them all to shame, even the 2001 IL2 demo did that.

Skoshi Tiger
10-09-2008, 10:30 AM
I've still got WWII fighters loaded on a couple of the older computers at my house. When my nephews (now 12 and 10) come up from the bush, they have a blast in the "Fly Now" mission.

Will have to jump on again one day!

crucislancer
10-09-2008, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anybody know where I can get a copy of Microprose's European Air War besides ebay, etc? Thanks.

Plus all the patches and how to get it to work on XP? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With all the patches and some minor tweaking, it will work fine on XP. I had it running a couple of months ago. Alas, I couldn't play it for very long due to the fact that IL-2 '46 trumps it by a long shot, without the AAA Mods.

I used to play Janes WWII Fighters as well, lots of fun but I was more into EAW at the time.

Crash_Moses
10-09-2008, 11:10 AM
The music was the best. I absolutely loved the big band score.

stalkervision
10-09-2008, 11:15 AM
ww 2 fighters has nice videos of all the planes histories and a very nice overview of the time periods and battles. You don't see this anymore in sim games. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Very high quality booklet on the game also.

The older games all have this it seems. MiG Alley has a wonderful library of info on the Korean war with a small pilots booklet of tactics that allies should use agains't the Migs. It all looks like genuine info too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Aaron_GT
10-09-2008, 11:16 AM
IL2 just put them all to shame, even the 2001 IL2 demo did that.

The EAW AI was always fun, though.

Beirut
10-09-2008, 02:54 PM
No flightsim ever had a better opening sequence than Janes WII Fighters. Probabaly never will.

Absolutely the best. How could you not want to fly afteer that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFg-EZ19_Z8

b2spirita
10-09-2008, 04:18 PM
Thats the only thing ive foud this sim lacking in, the overall presentation.

Stiletto-
10-09-2008, 04:54 PM
Funny that you mention Jane's WWII Fighters.. I havent touched the game in years and I installed it 4 days ago. I wanted to rip out some of the sound effects to use in IL-2 as I don't like all of the default mod sounds (particuarly the bullet hit sounds).

I didn't expect the game to run as it didnt run on my last video card a Geforce 7800GS but to my surprise, it loaded up just fine fresh out of the box on my Radeon 3870X2, with no graphic abnormalities. For some reason I cant get my X52 working at all in the sim, but the graphics aged really well IMO. No widescreen aspect ratio, but running at a higher resolution with FSAA looks pretty decent considering how old this game is!

The cockpits are really not any worse that the original (the uglier) IL2 cockpits. Also, I find the black smoke and fire effects better than default IL2. The engine sounds are ALOT better than original IL2, and while Il2 has a couple different sounds if you get hit by enemy fire, Janes has 3 or 4 different samples for each of Flak, small caliber bullets, Machine Gun's, and Cannons. Plus the great musical score (none of that synthisizer horns and strings in IL2 though I have grown fond of the original axis and allied sounds)and the museum stuff with all the flash. Good memories.

crucislancer
10-09-2008, 05:44 PM
I think Janes had a major money advantage at the time, which allowed for details such as the museum and pilot interviews. While all that stuff is great, and adds to the atmosphere (as did the briefings in EAW), game play in IL-2 out shines both of those. There is certainly a few things that Oleg could have done to spruce up IL-2, but in the end I'm happy with what we have.

I do wish I still had WWII Fighters, I have no idea what happened to my disc, though.

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-09-2008, 05:52 PM
the viewing system is better (smooth panning with the hat),

Use the utility FB View Plus and you get exactly the same thing in IL2. I used it for years and would not fly without it before I finally got TIR4.

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_viewplus.htm (seems down for maint. now)

S!

Herr_Werner
10-09-2008, 06:44 PM
I have both the titles the OP mentions. Very good games, for their time.

M_Gunz
10-09-2008, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by crucislancer:
I think Janes had a major money advantage at the time, which allowed for details such as the museum and pilot interviews. While all that stuff is great, and adds to the atmosphere (as did the briefings in EAW), game play in IL-2 out shines both of those. There is certainly a few things that Oleg could have done to spruce up IL-2, but in the end I'm happy with what we have.

I do wish I still had WWII Fighters, I have no idea what happened to my disc, though.

EAW has the Ground School section on the CD that I don't think 98% of the players ever knew
was there! It's an html file, you don't see it by running the game and it's equivalent to
the better parts of the old Dynamix manuals -- very good and applies to ALL WWII sims.

IIRC it's about 5 meg only, I wonder if they'd yell about anyone passing that around?
Ohhh, probably someone will just HAVE TO be a little snitch-cop, so it's a hard to find yet
quite useful tool.

There's also the in-game "movies" that are bits of gold from EAW.

EAW damage graphics are $#!+ but when you get up in very full to crowded skies it's worth
not noticing bits falling off, IMO. Well, -almost- worth it, LOL! And while the canned
spins are another fault, you learn not to spin and they won't kill the game! What's a
problem that happens 0% of the time (once you learn) worth?

crucislancer
10-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
EAW has the Ground School section on the CD that I don't think 98% of the players ever knew
was there! It's an html file, you don't see it by running the game and it's equivalent to
the better parts of the old Dynamix manuals -- very good and applies to ALL WWII sims.

IIRC it's about 5 meg only, I wonder if they'd yell about anyone passing that around?
Ohhh, probably someone will just HAVE TO be a little snitch-cop, so it's a hard to find yet
quite useful tool.

I remember it quite well! I read the Ground School files quite a bit, in fact I was reading them a couple of months ago. It was well done, for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

M_Gunz
10-09-2008, 09:38 PM
I wonder if they or whoever has the rights could be persuaded to release the file?

M2morris
10-09-2008, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Beirut:
I've got countless hundreds of hours with Janes WWII Fighters under my belt. It was a great game with absolutely luscious graphics. I gave it up for Il2, but it was a hard fight.


Same here.
Il2 had the cameras you can place and the replayable tracks. Those were some of the things about IL2 that made the move easier.
But I spent many hours flying Jane's WW2 Fighters, online and off.
I wish IL2 had the deer running around. In Janes, if you got bord, you could go deer hunting, and a soldier would run forever until he was killed, and P-38s had a different missle mounting set-up etc etc. It was a fun game.
Once while flying online in a Spitfire I decided to change to a P-38 and for some reason my P-38 kept the Spitfires manueverability. Wow was I a good Lightning jock that night.

stalkervision
10-09-2008, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by M2morris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beirut:
I've got countless hundreds of hours with Janes WWII Fighters under my belt. It was a great game with absolutely luscious graphics. I gave it up for Il2, but it was a hard fight.


Same here.
Il2 had the cameras you can place and the replayable tracks. Those were some of the things about IL2 that made the move easier.
But I spent many hours flying Jane's WW2 Fighters, online and off.
I wish IL2 had the deer running around. In Janes, if you got bord, you could go deer hunting, and a soldier would run forever until he was killed, and P-38s had a different missle mounting set-up etc etc. It was a fun game.
Once while flying online in a Spitfire I decided to change to a P-38 and for some reason my P-38 kept the Spitfires manueverability. Wow was I a good Lightning jock that night. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Freiwillige
10-10-2008, 12:13 AM
I hated the 109G's sewing machine engine! All others sounded mean but its like they wanted you to beleive that the 109 was some sort of crap bucket.

It also got spanked in the flight model by everything in the game. Yea Janes's wasnt nice to the Gustav.

M2morris
10-11-2008, 12:35 AM
I found some Jane's screenshots in my old laptop's recycle bin and restored them, these are from 6 years ago:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/screen000aa4-1.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/screen001aa6-1.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/screen002-1.jpg

Mr_Zooly
10-11-2008, 01:26 AM
The dm was intersting though, I remember landing a Spitfire and Mustang with no engine (literally). Or maybe the Mustangs rear fuselage slipping (looked kind of wierd) it wasnt realistic but it was my first online game and I loved it.