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TeufelHund84
08-10-2006, 05:24 PM
I find myself wanting to make the transition to online play more and more and the only thing stopping me is my lack of bombing ability.

I hear that bomber pilots online are both in need and pretty well respected (as opposed to those Yak flyers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif ) so anyone have any good starter tips? Best plane to try, best map, best loadout, etc etc?

Oh and anyone else think that level flight stabilizer should be renamed to, almost-level-flight-stabilizer-but-not-quite-because-you'll-be-just-a-few-ticks-off-of-center-on-your-variometer-no-matter-what-so-haha-you-can-eat-it-and-go-piss-off?

I'm working on making that into a usable acronym, gimme a little while.

TeufelHund84
08-10-2006, 05:24 PM
I find myself wanting to make the transition to online play more and more and the only thing stopping me is my lack of bombing ability.

I hear that bomber pilots online are both in need and pretty well respected (as opposed to those Yak flyers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif ) so anyone have any good starter tips? Best plane to try, best map, best loadout, etc etc?

Oh and anyone else think that level flight stabilizer should be renamed to, almost-level-flight-stabilizer-but-not-quite-because-you'll-be-just-a-few-ticks-off-of-center-on-your-variometer-no-matter-what-so-haha-you-can-eat-it-and-go-piss-off?

I'm working on making that into a usable acronym, gimme a little while.

Rood-Zwart
08-10-2006, 06:10 PM
My fav plane online is the ju88; pretty big loadout, pretty fast for a bombers, with the ability to level, dive and skip bomb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A few tips;
*Dont forget to set your delay! I have mine on 2 seconds for most bombs, 0.1 for the ab bombs (cluster kind of bombs) and 5 for the heavier ones.

* I usually drop my bombs in a shallow dive, when the target just 'touches' the lower line of your sight. Not the round thingie, but the edge of the glass itself.

* for divebombing;
- You pretty much want to be above 1500 m to give yourself -some- time to aim.
- Set proppitch to 10 or even 0%
- Hit airbrakes
- Roll over
- throttle back a bit
- line target up with sight
- drop
- disengage airbrakes, pp to 100%, throttle all the way up
- get the heck out of there

*The Stuvi is great when you learn to master it, but Im learning myself, so some stuka/88 ace may explain some more on that.

Also, online, whenever i get attacked, I hit level stab and man the rearguns manually. Enemy AI may be an ace, but the gunners in the planes I fly tend to uhm... suck. I can get a few kills per sortie this way (and reguarly do, I love it when someone hangs on my 6 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

All I can come up with 1 2 3.... Ask stuff, and come fly on UKDedicated, great server with helpful people.

Rood-Zwart
08-10-2006, 06:13 PM
ohh... Trim your plane!!!! Especially rudder ( otherwise your aiming in divebombing etc will be off) and elevator.

If you see yourself decending when in level stab, try to trim up a few clicks, itll work most of the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TeufelHund84
08-10-2006, 06:17 PM
Much obliged, thank you.

p1ngu666
08-10-2006, 06:17 PM
http://files.filefront.com/bomblearnpart1rar/;4427587;;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/bomblearnpart2rar/;4427714;;/fileinfo.html

i think i forget one crucial bit of info in that video, shift f1 to bring up bombsite.

enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Scharnhorst1943
08-10-2006, 09:40 PM
The Betty is nice because it also carries a torpedo. However, it has to be realevant to the map.

My favorates are the B25 and the JU88.

Crash_Moses
08-10-2006, 10:32 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/Ernestspeaks4.jpg

The B-25/PBJ and SBD are the ONLY planes to fly!

Click on the link in my sig for some of the best bombing guides in the nation...maybe even the world!

(and you'll find the fix for all your level stabalizer woes...I guarantee it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

S!

leitmotiv
08-10-2006, 10:45 PM
Crash_Moses is The Man for bombing! The Encyclopedia Bomb-tannica!!!! Dauntlesses forever!

Ernst_Rohr
08-11-2006, 09:57 AM
Crash is also a top notch fly-backwards-while-manning-a-turret expert! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously though, there a couple of other pointers...

Get familiar with the plane your flying! All of the bombers in game has some personality quirks you need to be aware of. Spend some time in them, and get used to them. For example;

The Ju-88 "sinks" when level stabilizer is engaged, ie. it wont stay at a fixed altitude. If you dont learn to correct for this, you will not be able to bomb accurately. This goes back to trimming the AC correctly.

The Russian TB-3 has a fixed vertical bombsight, so you cannot elevate it to find your target. Instead you have to learn to use the nose gunners position to spot targets and correct your position.

The Pe-2 has a unique stablized sight that requires some getting used to. Once you get used to it, its is VERY accurate for manual bombing, but it takes some practice to get used to, it is unlike every other bombsight in the game.

Thats just a couple, and there are several really good guides out here that explain the indiviual AC in detail.

The biggest things with accurate bombing is;
#1- True Air Speed:
Undoubtably the biggest single accuracy factor in bombing. Getting TAS right is the #1 thing you need to master.
#2- Trim:
Next to TAS, trimming your plane for stable flight is cruicial to hitting a target accurately. This also ties back into learning the plane your going to fly. This also ties into-
#3- Complex Engine Management:
ALL the bombers in the game rely on getting engine management down correctly. If your going to fly online, you really need to master this. Bomber flight performance depends greatly on figuring out the best engine performace for the altitude and speed your at. RPM, mix, and prop pitch are all cruicial to this, so learning how to use the bombers engines to their best is very important to online bombing.

Low level bombing is actually much easier than high alt bombing, and by a wide margin. So, start low and work your way up. High alt bombing has the advantage of keeping you out of AAA and fighter range (especially online, since most of the fighters are beefing it out at low to medium alts anyway), but its much tougher to manage a laden bomber at high alt and keep it trimmed and stable.

Bombs are also NOT one size fits all. The diffent bombs have different performance characteristics, so learning how the work is pretty important as well, but its something you can work on AFTER you get flight and engine management under your belt.

Good bombers to learn with would be the He-111 and the Betty, followed by the Ju-88 and the B-25. The TB-3 and Pe-2 are very different from the other bombers, so you may want to save them till later.

He-111:
Very stable, pretty forgiving flight handling, easy to manage engines. A little slow, but that makes it an easier bomber to learn on. The He-111 is probably the best plane to start with, as it has no real bad quirks and its pretty straightforward. He-111 has a fully automatable sight, so its an easy plane to practice with.

The Betty:
Maneuverable for a bomber, pretty stable, forgiving handling, automated sight, very forgiving engines. The only real issue with the Betty is its tricky to keep stable up high, and its FAST for a bomber, which doesnt give you a lot of time to line up a bomb run compared to some of the slower planes. Still a good starter plane.

B-25:
The 25 is more complex than the first two planes. First off, its sight is in Imperial measurements, NOT metric. The 25 is also a lot more challenging to fly. Engine torque on the 25 is VERY noticeable, so take offs are much more challenging compared to the Betty of the 111. The 25 also has a a tendency to "sink" on level stablizer, so that takes some getting used to as well. "Sinking" gets much more noticiable at higher alts, and takes more work to manage. The advantage to the 25 is that its pretty rugged, its fast for a bomber, and has a pretty versitile bomb load. Finally, the 25 currently has the best/most current guides out right now.

TB-3: (kind of an odd duck)
The Good= Rock stable, versitile bomb load, low speed makes it easy to line up a run. Very simple AC to fly, very few systems to learn. Incredibly forgiving flight handling. You can really yank a TB-3 around without adverse behavior, especially unloaded. Simple engine contols.
The Bad= Four engines to manage, SLOW, manual sight, no trim controls, no elevation on the bombsight.
The TB-3 is deadmeat to most fighters since it horrifically slow, but its a very stable bomb platform and it carries a very large bombload. The manual sight is accurate, but takes some getting used, since it cannot elevate and bombs must be manually released.

Ju-88:
FAST! Versitile bomber (dive or level). Great visibility. Versitile bomb load. Manueverable for a bomber, and forgiving engines. The Ju-88 is a somewhat more difficult plane to master though, due to its instability in flight. Trimming is critical in a Ju-88, due to its signifigant sink rate when level stabilizer is engaged. The trimming issue gets worse with higher altitudes and can be complicated to maintain level flight with a large bombload. You really have to pay attention to your fuel load and bombload when planning a level run in the 88. Lots of gas and bombs precludes a high alt run, the plane simply wont stay level if your loaded up fully. Also, the Ju-88 doesnt like being roughly handled when under heavy load!

Pe-2:
VERY FAST! Simple engine management. Good visilbility. POOR low speed handling! Very unforgiving low speed handling makes landings challenging. Fragile. Another plane that should NOT be manhandled when under load! Manual sight.
The Pe-2 is a lot different from some of the other planes. While superficially similar to the Ju-88 in being a dive/level bomber, its smaller and handles differently. The Pe-2 has a manual sight that needs to be stablized before it can be used, and it requires some pre-planning to use effectively. The Pe-2 is also a lot less forgiving in the flight department, as its high wing loading and poor low speed handling mean that your have to take off and land at much higher speeds. Landings particularly can be a challenge. Finally, the plane is pretty fragile, AAA and fighters will chew it up quickly.

JtD
08-11-2006, 10:13 AM
I personally fly a lot of fighter bombers.

My advices would be:

1st) Look up the dive limit for your plane.)
2nd) Get to altitude.
3rd) Dive down on the target very close to your dive limit.
4th) Make sure you hit!
5th) Use your current high speed for extension.

Most fun in this regard is the P-47, because it has a dive limit of 1000 kph. Translated this means you are about safe.

Crash_Moses
08-11-2006, 10:28 AM
Hehehe--I am humbled by your praise (sniff).

Listen up, lad. These gents know of what they speak! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(Nice write up, Ernst! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif)

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to post something smart alecky elsewhere...

S!