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Tallyho1961
04-28-2005, 01:55 PM
The P-63 almost never gets mentioned here - and I don't think I've even sat in the cockpit until today. I was on War Clouds this afternoon and it was in the planeset, so I decided to give it a try.

I found it a really nice a/c. If I was any sort of decent shot I could have bagged 3-4 bandits. As it was, I smoked one FW and gave a few other FW's and 109's a good run for their money.

The thing I noticed was that it is fast and holds its speed up really well. In fact, the first time I tried to land, I had to go around and really work at getting my IAS down below 200mph so I could start to drop my gear and flaps.

Visibility out the sides is a bit tough due to those thick door frames - like the P-39. Anybody else tried it and have any comments?

RedNeckerson
04-28-2005, 02:18 PM
1800hp fantasy plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

F16_Sulan
04-28-2005, 02:19 PM
I´ve flown Cobras some, mostly the P-39Q10 and P-63 and I either love or hate them.

If I have a good day in it, the 37mm rocks.

If I have a bad day n it, the two MG´s just don´t do it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BigKahuna_GS
04-28-2005, 03:16 PM
S!


Guess Neckerson has seen the business end of the 37mm too much and didnt like it.



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FI-Aflak
04-28-2005, 03:31 PM
The P-63 is a fantastic plane, I generally do very well in it. Faster than most other planes in its class, will turn very well but you have to be careful. Fast enough and good enough climb that the germans can't dictate the fight as much as they are used to, and the 37mm cannon is a one-hit kill . . maybe a one-hit cripple, but then the guy is easy prey.

Holds energy very well, great plane to fly with energy tactics.

Secudus2004
04-28-2005, 03:31 PM
I. It's American...
2. It's Ugly
3. It looks nothing like one...
4. Weird engine setup
5. Only joking...
6. ...............Some people like them!
7. Some people don't!
8. It's American...

73GIAP_Milan
04-28-2005, 04:16 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif In this thread Airacobra (and Kingcobra) fans should all be united into one happy family sharing all their knowledge about these cool underdog-rated planes:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9411048113

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RedNeckerson
04-28-2005, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by 609IAP_Kahuna:
S!


Guess Neckerson has seen the business end of the 37mm too much and didnt like it.



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Never been hit with it once, sorry.

Looks out of place on WC _western front_, especially the nonsensical 1800hp one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Still, any FW190A-9/D-9 is more than a match for it.

Personally, I'd park it right next to the 109Z.

carguy_
04-28-2005, 04:22 PM
Never flew against P63 but been shot down many times by Russian P39.Equal to Spitfire in my threats book.

p1ngu666
04-28-2005, 04:24 PM
a good, if hard to fight with fighter
is really good at mid-highspeed acceloration, shame its got a crappy elivator http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

3.JG51_BigBear
04-28-2005, 04:32 PM
I've never actually flown the plane at high altitude but at mid and low alts its like a juiced up P-51. Its strong and fast but that 37MM is very difficult to use in P-63 because the plane doesn't have the manueverability of its older brother to quickly get the nose on target for a quick snapshot. For my money, both the FW190D and the P-51D are better late war fighters for their control harmony, flexibility in combat, and guns.

F19_Olli72
04-28-2005, 05:19 PM
Personally i prefer the earlier P-39s (N1), but for late war id rather be in a P-47.


Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
Never been hit with it once, sorry.

Come on, be honest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
Personally, I'd park it right next to the 109Z.

But put the D9 closer to the 109Z first, more P63s were made than D9 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

tsisqua
04-28-2005, 06:18 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifIf the search function worked here, I could show you what Oleg Maddox had to say about this plane. He seems to hold it in high esteem, especially its performance as compared to other . . Ahem . . . American . . . fighters of the period.

Tsisqua

BuzzU
04-28-2005, 07:04 PM
If it was any better, the Germans would claim they designed it.

SlickStick
04-28-2005, 07:24 PM
I like the P-63 a lot. My fav cobra ride has always been the Q1, but this bad boy is usually my first B and Z choice when choosing an American plane (read as some noob didn't put my Mk VIII or IX Spitfires in the plane list). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Great zoom climb, devastating firepower, when I can get the cannon to hit with regularity and turns quite well. It'll flat spin in a hearbeat or hard stall, but handled correctly, it's a tough plane to beat in the current planeset we have.

VW-IceFire
04-28-2005, 07:50 PM
I like the P-63...its a good plane! Its ideally suited to lower altitude tactical combat and its also therefore quite good in most dogfight servers.

It climbs well, has a good speed, manuevers well...worst aspect is the nasty stall if you get into one. But good overall.

LEXX_Luthor
04-28-2005, 08:23 PM
F~19::

RedNeckerson:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Personally, I'd park it right next to the 109Z. But put the D9 closer to the 109Z first, more P63s were made than D9 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Messer Haters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Real Dora fans wait for Oleg's Battle of Poland BoB addon pac. Be Certain!

Copperhead310th
04-28-2005, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 609IAP_Kahuna:
S!


Guess Neckerson has seen the business end of the 37mm too much and didnt like it.



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Never been hit with it once, sorry.

Looks out of place on WC _western front_, especially the nonsensical 1800hp one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Still, any FW190A-9/D-9 is more than a match for it.

Personally, I'd park it right next to the 109Z. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Peronally i'd like to park my big ol' size 12 steel toed boot right up the crack of yer luft-loving @ss...Unlike the 109Z this plane actually few in combat. IT ACTAULLY FLEW PERIOD. it wasn't just some ficttional design still on willy messers chalk board. the p-63 has a FM in the sim that is far more accurate to the real life aircraft than some of the imaginary FM's on a few of the German aircaft, and in the right hands is very deadly.
Now if you want to throw stones fine but don'/t gripe when the USAAF flyers start throwing 37MM Boulders back at you. if you want to try and sugest that anything in this sim is over modeled well you better start with the Whine-o-nines ans FW Run-ninties first.

and here's 1 more thing rookie.
Come back and troll when you get more experiance under yer belt there kiddo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
cause with this: <span class="ev_code_RED"> Posts: 211 | Registered:: Tue September 14 2004 </span>
yer obviosly out of yer leauge.

SkyChimp
04-28-2005, 09:11 PM
Go get 'em, Copper!

SlickStick
04-28-2005, 09:39 PM
Whine-o-nines and FW Run-ninties

LOL! Those are the planes that only fly in the "Fraidy Catmosphere". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XIV will be going up to get them though soon enough. DOH! (_8(o)

RedNeckerson
04-28-2005, 09:44 PM
******head 310th opened his big mouth to say:

Peronally i'd like to park my big ol' size 12 steel toed boot right up the crack of yer luft-loving @ss...Unlike the 109Z this plane actually few in combat. IT ACTAULLY FLEW PERIOD. it wasn't just some ficttional design still on willy messers chalk board. the p-63 has a FM in the sim that is far more accurate to the real life aircraft than some of the imaginary FM's on a few of the German aircaft, and in the right hands is very deadly.
Now if you want to throw stones fine but don'/t gripe when the USAAF flyers start throwing 37MM Boulders back at you. if you want to try and sugest that anything in this sim is over modeled well you better start with the Whine-o-nines ans FW Run-ninties first.

and here's 1 more thing rookie.
Come back and troll when you get more experiance under yer belt there kiddo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
cause with this: <span class="ev_code_RED"> Posts: 211 | Registered:: Tue September 14 2004 </span>
yer obviosly out of yer leauge.


Dude, your always good for a laugh.

I'm one of the originals on this forum, before the sim even hit the shelves, and long before you got an internet connection strung out to your trailer park in Alabama http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Also...your internet bravado is impressive!

RedNeckerson
04-28-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Go get 'em, Copper!


SkyChimp, It's FW190fan here.

Don't get in bed with this moron.

It's beneath you.

Lixma
04-28-2005, 09:48 PM
yer obviosly out of yer leauge.

Hahahahahaha....

SkyChimp
04-28-2005, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Go get 'em, Copper!


SkyChimp, It's FW190fan here.

Don't get in bed with this moron.

It's beneath you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know who it is! Your avatar isn't new!!!

But Copper is like Howard Stern, you never know what he'll say next.

Badsight.
04-28-2005, 10:04 PM
i have a lot to say about the P-63 because i fly it a lot

im getting a good laugh at the P-63 defenders

Badsight.
04-28-2005, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
the p-63 has a FM in the sim that is far more accurate to the real life aircraft than some of the imaginary FM's.
GET

REAL

people wouldnt think your such a red neck if you at least faked objectivity once in a while

73GIAP_Milan
04-29-2005, 04:25 AM
Atleast the Cobra family are planes you have to fly instead of just steering it around. You've got to work for your kill and fly with caution.

I find it a higly goodlooking plane and very original that it is indeed so hard to fly. That makes me want to take it up (for a spin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) even if i get my rearend handed to me sometimes.

robban75
04-29-2005, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
if you want to try and sugest that anything in this sim is over modeled well you better start with the Whine-o-nines ans FW Run-ninties first.



Tell me Copperhead where the Fw 190 is overmodelled?

About the P-63. I really don't understand why it's not a more common sight online. It is a marvelous performer in every respect. It's elevator is a bit on the heavy side, but its strongpoints, climbrate, zoom climb, turnrate, rollrate, divespeed, and all out topspeed more than make up for this. The only planes that are faster is the La-7, I-185 and D-9 '45. I think people should give it one more try. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MEGILE
04-29-2005, 04:44 AM
I have nothing useful to add to this thread except for.. D9 RULES!!

Shout out to my main man Fish, he knowz where its at. Be sure !


Real Dora fans wait for Oleg's Battle of Poland BoB addon pac. Be Certain!

Lexx has a different mentality than your average Online Dogfighter..
ask Lexx for a Dora and he will give you a Spanish Civil War Sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

carguy_
04-29-2005, 04:45 AM
Nonsense,all P39(I don`t fly P63) are very handy and can do anything you want if you have skills to fly a Me109.The aircraft compared to it`s earlier FM is like a jet.Doesn`t stall violently like before,accelerates great and has good roll and elevator authority at high speed.It is the aircraft that leads the `42 and `43 counteroffensives on the eastern front.

P39-FW190 encounter deeply depends on pilot skill cuz those two planes are very different.

P39-Me109 encounters if not occured at altitudes below 5000m,the P39 has a good energy/T&B advantage.

P39 is a plane that can successfully perform T&B/B&Z thus it has an advantage over LW.

I woonder why does it have invincible nose though as if it had no DM.

NorrisMcWhirter
04-29-2005, 06:46 AM
But Copper is like Howard Stern, you never know what he'll say next.

Funny, cos I have a very good idea what Copper is going to say every time he posts and, as per usual, the last one revolved around the usual theme.

I really think he ought to stick to his 'writting' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

On the subject of the P63, now that it's DM has been changed from 'ridiculous' to 'something approaching reality' I've flown it more and it's a very useful plane in pretty much every department. I've not had the privilige of stalling it yet but, then again, I tend to fly it like the 190 and use the grenade launcher for precision shots on high speed passes.

Cheers,
Norris

CzechTexan
04-29-2005, 07:34 AM
Three cheers to <span class="ev_code_RED">OLEG</span> for including the <span class="ev_code_BLUE">KingCobra</span> in this sim!
HIP HIP HOORAY!
HIP HIP HOORAY!
HIP HIP HOORAY! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG52Karaya-X
04-29-2005, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Tallyho1961:
I found it a really nice a/c. If I was any sort of decent shot I could have bagged 3-4 bandits. As it was, I smoked one FW and gave a few other FW's and 109's a good run for their money.

The P-63 has a pretty odd armament. 2x.50CAL plus the 37mm gun that's also mounted on earlier P39s... hitting with the 37mm in a fast-paced dogfight is very difficult and is a question of luck not skill. However it's quote nice for downing bombers, Il2s, etc.

So most of the times you will have to rely solely on the 2x12,6mm - that's a bit underpowered. Taking the optional .50CAL gondolas with you solves that problem but also reduces your speed, climb and manoeuvrability (just like the gunpods on the Bf109s) - So you will have to ask yourself what's more important to you: Gunpower or squeezing out that last bit of performance


In fact, the first time I tried to land, I had to go around and really work at getting my IAS down below 200mph so I could start to drop my gear and flaps.

There's a trick for all allied planes with CSP. Idle your throttle to 0% and set your prop. to 0% too... now you can slow down really fast on your landing approach. But watch out to raise your prop. angle once you've slowed down to landing speed

msalama
04-29-2005, 10:29 AM
...and use the grenade launcher for precision shots on high speed passes.

Exactly the way I use the beast too - only strike out "precision" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Karaya-X
04-29-2005, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
XIV will be going up to get them though soon enough. DOH! (_8(o)

We're already waiting... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Eldon45
04-29-2005, 10:50 AM
I consider the P-63 my "homebase" ride. I return to it and practice with it nearly every day. One thing I've found, that no one else has yet mentioned, is how the KC turns extremely well while maintaining decent speed with combat flaps down. I haven't done any tests, but I'd bet it could turn with just about anything except Zeros and biplanes with those flaps down. You just have to watch your nose attitude in order to avoid flat spins in tight turns. Combat flaps also make the elevator action even worse when trying to nose down. You have to flip over onto your back sometimes and pull the stick hard to get a good dive if your opponent dives away from you. The P-63's excellent acceleration, however, on the straightaway with flaps up usually makes up for any loss of speed while in a tight turn.

As others have said, the trickiness of the P-63 is what makes it fun to master. I don't know about the historical accuracy, but I feel it most definitely outperforms the Mustang and Corsair down low in this sim. I've done careful testing against the different Corsair marks and the P-63 outperformed them in almost every department.

SlickStick
04-29-2005, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
XIV will be going up to get them though soon enough. DOH! (_8(o)

We're already waiting... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, as Mk. IX HFs at the same altitude as the LW bogeys already creates the ever-popular "ACHTUNG!! SPITFIRE!!" shiver down their spine, the XIV is going to take that saying to a whole new level. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Getting back to the topic at hand, I have to think that my number one reason for flying the P-63 is that I like having cannons on my fighter. Since I usually have to fight off two or three at a time every sortie, I need to be able to quickly hit and prepare for the next incoming. It just takes too long in that scenario to use a Stang or a Jug.

When people ask me why I fly a Spitfire, I always tell them that if you had to face a two or three on one everytime you spooled up, you'd be flying a Spitfire, too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Badsight.
04-29-2005, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by robban75:
About the P-63. I really don't understand why it's not a more common sight online. because its a expert only gun equipped plane

BuzzU
04-29-2005, 02:29 PM
The Luftwaffy came up with a new one.

"hitting with the 37mm in a fast-paced dogfight is very difficult and is a question of luck not skill."

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

carguy_
04-29-2005, 02:34 PM
AFAIK P63 has a twin .50cal loadout available and it has still a nice performance margin.Close to P39N1 there.

Badsight.
04-29-2005, 02:47 PM
they are paint chippers

& the cannon is the opposite of DF usefull

SlickStick
04-29-2005, 03:55 PM
But, that cannon is great for a B and Zer. I'm starting to get pretty good at one-hit passes. Only problem is it still takes me three or four passes to get one hit. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

73GIAP_Milan
04-29-2005, 04:56 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif then you're way better then i am, i hit only in a lucky tracking shot after wasting too much ammo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

If the P39 got the Russian NS37 cannon or the 60 round loadout from the start i would have been better i guess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I can even hit better with the Mk103/108 series from the 109's..
90% of the kills i make with the P39 are done with the .50's and .303's

Badsight.
04-29-2005, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
But, that cannon is great for a B and Zer. I'm starting to get pretty good at one-hit passes. Only problem is it still takes me three or four passes to get one hit. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif LOL , i hear ya !

NorrisMcWhirter
04-29-2005, 06:28 PM
The P63, like the 190, is a very useful team plane.

To drag and bag someone who is in a stall with that cannon is child' play. High speed passes yield good results if the bandit didn't see you coming.

As to DF, I agree - forget it. If you do manage to hit something, you're either lucky or a sniper. I'd prefer to make my own luck, thanks.

Norris

JadehawkII
04-29-2005, 07:05 PM
Having flown the P-63 myself plenty of times, I always fire the .50's first until I observe strikes on EA before hitting the cannon button. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif If you are in a turn against EA, line up your .50's and fire. At the exact time you start to strike EA, pull in the nose just a bit more and hit the cannon button. Most of the time I get a strike or two and that usually results in either lots of smoke, or I blew something big off the plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
But more so, this one requires you to keep your energy high and avoid going slow and I have found that I can leave the engagement at my choosing as long as my enegry is kept up high. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nice plane, good cannon, great medium and low alittude fighter, not too bad up high either. The best engagement I ever had was shooting down three Me-262 in one pass while they were down and dirty for a landing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif But I had hell of a time getting away from the fighter cover which ended in me bailing out of my busted up bird once I got over friendly lines. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Oh well, them three Me-262s were a good bag and worth it! Vodka anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Copperhead310th
04-29-2005, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">******head 310th opened his big mouth to say:

Peronally i'd like to park my big ol' size 12 steel toed boot right up the crack of yer luft-loving @ss...Unlike the 109Z this plane actually few in combat. IT ACTAULLY FLEW PERIOD. it wasn't just some ficttional design still on willy messers chalk board. the p-63 has a FM in the sim that is far more accurate to the real life aircraft than some of the imaginary FM's on a few of the German aircaft, and in the right hands is very deadly.
Now if you want to throw stones fine but don'/t gripe when the USAAF flyers start throwing 37MM Boulders back at you. if you want to try and sugest that anything in this sim is over modeled well you better start with the Whine-o-nines ans FW Run-ninties first.

and here's 1 more thing rookie.
Come back and troll when you get more experiance under yer belt there kiddo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
cause with this: <span class="ev_code_RED"> Posts: 211 | Registered:: Tue September 14 2004 </span>
yer obviosly out of yer leauge.


Dude, your always good for a laugh.

I'm one of the originals on this forum, before the sim even hit the shelves, and long before you got an internet connection strung out to your trailer park in Alabama http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Also...your internet bravado is impressive! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>\

Well for 1 thing I will sometines go off on the deep end of the pool as a joke. Cauase i get a kick out of it. and sometimes it's fun.

2nd i live in a BRICK home. which i guess is much better than your cardboard box.

the boot thing was meant as a Joke. but then again your probly much too busy polishing yer fake iron cross you paid 10 bucks for at the local flea market to even have a sense of humor.

Bull_dog_
04-29-2005, 09:00 PM
I fly it from time to time and it is a good plane...I fly it alot like a fw...although it has great climb and is good up to about 5000meters.

There is a map on UK dedicated depicting Manchuria in 1945 and La's, Yaks and KingCobras are pitted against Ki-84's and Zekes...below 5000 meters the Kingcobra is king...I've fought many pilots, some of them good and the plane has advantages at those altitudes and I do well when I'm shooting good. Came out with several kills tonight and did not lose a plane...if you are shooting good 4-6 kills can be acheived...even against the 37mm absorbant Ki's. Just watch those stalls and flat spins.

I have found landing touchy and energy fighting at slow speeds/hammer heads to be very tricky...but it can hang on a prop too!

Copperhead310th
04-29-2005, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
But Copper is like Howard Stern, you never know what he'll say next.

Funny, cos I have a very good idea what Copper is going to say every time he posts and, as per usual, the last one revolved around the usual theme.

I really think he ought to stick to his 'writting' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

On the subject of the P63, now that it's DM has been changed from 'ridiculous' to 'something approaching reality' I've flown it more and it's a very useful plane in pretty much every department. I've not had the privilige of stalling it yet but, then again, I tend to fly it like the 190 and use the grenade launcher for precision shots on high speed passes.

Cheers,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again norris i sometimes do things just for kicks. As for my writing ..... you have no idea what you're talking about. so stuff it.

VW-IceFire
04-29-2005, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
I fly it from time to time and it is a good plane...I fly it alot like a fw...although it has great climb and is good up to about 5000meters.

There is a map on UK dedicated depicting Manchuria in 1945 and La's, Yaks and KingCobras are pitted against Ki-84's and Zekes...below 5000 meters the Kingcobra is king...I've fought many pilots, some of them good and the plane has advantages at those altitudes and I do well when I'm shooting good. Came out with several kills tonight and did not lose a plane...if you are shooting good 4-6 kills can be acheived...even against the 37mm absorbant Ki's. Just watch those stalls and flat spins.

I have found landing touchy and energy fighting at slow speeds/hammer heads to be very tricky...but it can hang on a prop too!
Defbond or LeVola handed my rear to me several times on this particular scenario using the P-63. The Ki-84 was hard pressed to compete.

Badsight.
04-29-2005, 10:45 PM
contray to populer opinion , the Ki is resistant to zero weapon , its hard to bust apart sure , but gets major performance hits from being hit

the P-63 cant hang with a Ki flowen the same way in a sustained turn , but the KingCobra has the power to E fight Hayates for a long time

msalama
04-29-2005, 11:56 PM
Only problem is it still takes me three or four passes to get one hit.

Exactly the same thing here, unless I get really REALLY close. In which case things go _very_ wrong in a split second if I make a mistake! I mean, sure I do get the bugger by ramming him too, but that's hardly the proper way is it?

I've also found that deflection shooting w/ the cannon is just impossible, dictating a corkscrew six(ish) approach (which actually _can_ be pretty safe even with bombers if you watch what you're doing).

But how the h**l DO you deflection-shoot with that big gun in the 1st place??? Surely beats me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

JG52Karaya-X
04-30-2005, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
The Luftwaffy came up with a new one.


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Lewicide
04-30-2005, 07:29 AM
The '63 rocks,
3 hits kill anything, great for B+z if your worried about engine damage (especially multiple passes)

NorrisMcWhirter
04-30-2005, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
But Copper is like Howard Stern, you never know what he'll say next.

Funny, cos I have a very good idea what Copper is going to say every time he posts and, as per usual, the last one revolved around the usual theme.

I really think he ought to stick to his 'writting' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

On the subject of the P63, now that it's DM has been changed from 'ridiculous' to 'something approaching reality' I've flown it more and it's a very useful plane in pretty much every department. I've not had the privilige of stalling it yet but, then again, I tend to fly it like the 190 and use the grenade launcher for precision shots on high speed passes.

Cheers,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again norris i sometimes do things just for kicks. As for my writing ..... you have no idea what you're talking about. so stuff it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LeadSpitter_
04-30-2005, 08:44 PM
i wish german 30mm fired somewhat like the p63 and 20mm somewhat like the p39.

The p-63 is a great bird, only plane that can contend somewhat vs the very good pilots in 109k4, latewar 190s and the ta152.

The thing that bugs me is the cockpit color green which is very off and inaccurate
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/KingCobra-P-63E-seat-cockpit-through-plexiglass-1.jpg

fordfan25
04-30-2005, 10:21 PM
i like the plane. love the cockpit. i cant stand the guns though. the two .50s by them selves is way under what i prefer and i cant hit a bear in the a$$ with the 37mm 99% of the time. its rate of fire is just way to low for me to get any thing out of it. and for the guys talking **** about its FM.....there are alot more BS planes in this game than the cobra. and 90% of them are germen and Japo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

VW-IceFire
04-30-2005, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
contray to populer opinion , the Ki is resistant to zero weapon , its hard to bust apart sure , but gets major performance hits from being hit

the P-63 cant hang with a Ki flowen the same way in a sustained turn , but the KingCobra has the power to E fight Hayates for a long time
Thats exactly what they were doing. Five or six P-63C's in our Operation Autumn Storm campaign and they were E fighting a relatively disorganized blue team.

Bull_dog_
05-01-2005, 12:05 AM
Kingcobra is also faster on the deck than a Ki and can dive to high speeds....I've twice been engaged in contests where some of the UK regulars wanted to show me that the Ki was superior than the Kingcobra...they lost.

I also fly ES server once in awhile and it is one of my more survivable planes and I rack up lots of kills in the furballs of open dogfight servers...although I don't enjoy flying them so much anymore.

Now above 5000 meters, performance drops off considerably, but up till that the kingcobra is king in my book.

Badsight.
05-01-2005, 03:20 AM
Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
Kingcobra is also faster on the deck than a Ki and can dive to high speeds....I've twice been engaged in contests where some of the UK regulars wanted to show me that the Ki was superior than the Kingcobra...they lost. lost what

the dive ? kills are not gained by running level or running in a dive . the Kingcobra can match the Ki in E-fighting but the nicer stall of the Hayate can win out over the P-63

& although the P-63 is very powerfull , it cannot match the Hayate in sustained turns

equally flowen of course

Bull_dog_
05-01-2005, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
Kingcobra is also faster on the deck than a Ki and can dive to high speeds....I've twice been engaged in contests where some of the UK regulars wanted to show me that the Ki was superior than the Kingcobra...they lost. lost what

the dive ? kills are not gained by running level or running in a dive . the Kingcobra can match the Ki in E-fighting but the nicer stall of the Hayate can win out over the P-63

& although the P-63 is very powerfull , it cannot match the Hayate in sustained turns

equally flowen of course </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Badsight...we are discussing the virtues of the aircraft...go troll somewhere else.

Being faster on the deck and fast in the dive gives an aircraft options around disengagement. This is important for survivability. Being able to chose your fight is as important as anything...it is not all about swirling turning dogfights... and under certain conditions, that is w/ e advantage, the King turns good enough to out turn the ki...and if that isn't there... a turn around or two and then to the deck and your off to gain altitude and return to the fight.

To lose, means to get shot down or fail to shoot down your enemy and I also count driving an opponent to the deck or towards wingmen as a sort of victory of sorts, but it doesn't show up in the point total...I've acheived very high kill ratios with this aircraft...I engage when I want to and disengage when I want to against Ki's that is...I use this as an example because the Ki is one of the more dangerous opponents in the sim. It has some advantages against Fw's too but I find the late war 109's to be much more well rounded and difficult to fight.

PBNA-Boosher
05-01-2005, 11:42 AM
It's sweetness matches its spinning ability. that 37mm is da shiznit when used properly.

VW-IceFire
05-01-2005, 03:50 PM
Does anyone have a good operational history of the Kingcobra? There isn't much written about it...where it was used, what it was used for, what outfits used it.

I know there was one instance where a USAAF pilot flew a P-63 chasing a Japanese balloon somewhere in the Pacific Northwest. But aside from that...I know very little. VVS, USAAF...anywhere else...

Aaron_GT
05-01-2005, 04:46 PM
I did see one fly once, unfortunately it crashed killing the pilot a couple of weeks later. (Same happened with a Sea Fury I saw - makes me wonder if I should stay away from air shows).

Tallyho1961
05-01-2005, 05:14 PM
My air library includes two books titled, unimaginatively enough, 'Aircraft of World War II'. These tidbits are combined from both:

The prototype first flew on December 7, 1942. 3,303 Kingcobras were produced, starting in October 1943. 2,400 went to the VVS for use in close air support. 350 went to the Free French. The RAF got one - no info as to its fate. The rest were restricted to training squadrons in the United States by the USAAF.

A number were used as manned targets for gunnery exercises by fighters shooting frangible (breakable) bullets.

Interestingly, the two sources I have show the 'C' variant - which we have in IL2 - as having a distinctive ventral fin - which I'm not sure is present in the sim.

That's all I've got.

Slickun
05-01-2005, 07:25 PM
Seems like the VVS got a few kills late in the war against the Japanese.

The Russians used it long enough after the war for it to get a NATO codename. I have forgotten what it was.

AAF kinda liked it, but didn't see the advantage over existing AAF types. It was also very short legged at a time when that was what the AAF did NOT want in an A/C.

Badsight.
05-01-2005, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
Badsight...we are discussing the virtues of the aircraft...go troll somewhere else. what part of what i posted wasnt a dicussion of the virtues of the Hayate or Kingcobra ?

keep your accusations to yourself & stay on topic please

Badsight.
05-01-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
Kingcobra is also faster on the deck than a Ki and can dive to high speeds....I've twice been engaged in contests where some of the UK regulars wanted to show me that the Ki was superior than the Kingcobra...they lost. how did the Hayate lose ?

you can run away better , that doesnt mean you won the DF

your trying to show how a multiple situation means the Kingcobra has better DF performance

mutiple bandit situations are not tests of individual Aircraft performance

you need to 1v1 to find out which A/C has the better DF ability

& as i stated the P-63 cannot out-turn a Hayate sustained , & can only just match one E fighting , the nastier stall works against it & in the Hayates favour

the P-63 is not the better DFer

Badsight.
05-01-2005, 10:13 PM
& dont confuse 1v1 testing with deck altitude turn fighting

Jagdklinger
05-02-2005, 05:58 AM
Bravo! A thread on the Kingcobra is long overdue.

There seems to be a lot of comparisons with Ki84, and if so, it must be a better plane then I remembered. Is it really that good? and if so, how come it's not more popular?

I'm used to 109G10/K and as far as I can recall (from my all of half a doz. flights in it) the P-63 was roughly similar with less climb, a vicious stall and inferior armament. Is this a fair call?

What tactics would you use when fighting 190s & 109s?

JG53Frankyboy
05-02-2005, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
i wish german 30mm fired somewhat like the p63 and 20mm somewhat like the p39.



well, hitting a maneuveringtarget with the MK108 is for me much easier because its fire rate is higher than the 37mm of the Kingcobra.

the MK108 fires its 65 rounds in ~6 sec
the 37mm needs for 58 rounds 21 sec !

Doug_Thompson
05-02-2005, 09:59 AM
Re: Kingcobra

For an airplane that depends so much on hitting with one shot, it seems hard to keep it on target. It's not the best firing platform.

Tallyho1961
05-02-2005, 10:43 AM
I feel better; I thought it was me.

I find I can get on a bandit's tail quite easily in the P-63, but landing a solid punch is another thing. I emptied practically everything I had at a FW the other night and all I got for my trouble was a fluid leak.

BuzzU
05-02-2005, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Tallyho1961:
I feel better; I thought it was me.

I find I can get on a bandit's tail quite easily in the P-63, but landing a solid punch is another thing. I emptied practically everything I had at a FW the other night and all I got for my trouble was a fluid leak.

It helps when you can actually hit it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Doug_Thompson
05-02-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
It helps when you can actually hit it.

Ah, but that's the rub. Somebody can hit it -- if flying something besides a P-63, or an earlier version of the plane.

At first, I thought the recoil from that big gun was causing the problem. So I went into quick mission "target practice" and squeezed off single rounds. The rate of fire is slow enough to do that.

Instead, I had a harder time getting the crosshairs over the target in the first place than I would in just about any other airplane. I'd finally get close to a bead on the opposing plane and my nose would start to shimmy. This was far more of a problem than in other planes.

I thought that maybe the plane was in the propwash or something since the problem was worse when flying directly behind the target. So I stayed out at long range or came down from above on "drones," with no goal except to hold the crosshairs on the target. No shooting, just aiming. Again, things got wobbly.

This is a problem that somebody with some time and expertise could fix, I'll bet. Maybe its a matter of adjusting trim or finding the right angle of approach. It might be a problem with how I fly, but something makes the 'cobra family harder to aim.

Doug_Thompson
05-02-2005, 02:18 PM
Checked some of the links on this thread. Look at this. (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_p39.htm)



Joystick adjustments
The flight controls are very twitchy, and even handling the stick €œgently€ won€t quite do it. Aileron roll is over modelled (this will be fixed in the release), the rudder €œoscillates€ a lot and last but not least, full back pressure on elevator at almost any speed will result in an instant, nasty stall. In light of this, yaw and roll axis of the stick have to be toned down quite a bit in the €œinput€ section of IL-2. As for Pitch, I elected to keep it as is, and be careful. Full authority on pitch can be used €œon top€, at very low speeds (around 120 km/h), and only for a few seconds, it€s very important to ease off on the elevator pressure as soon as the plane has €œgone over€, otherwise good old spin will come haunt you back all the way to the ground€¦.

=========

Something else to mention: I'm flying AEP 2.04, not PF. The quote used above, apparently, was for the original IL-2.

carguy_
05-02-2005, 02:34 PM
What`s the rush bout the Ki84?I have an impression that some boys flew it last time in v3.01.Last patch changed its FM radically.No longer a uber plane IMO.Can`t pull better maeuvers than Zero and is much much less stable.A good plane but not any better than Zero.I pick a Hien over it any time.The 30mm version is laughable but I don`t fly this one.

Bronzefist
06-06-2005, 12:41 AM
Bumping this thread cause I'm trying to learn the Kingcobra. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Is there a significant drop-off in performance when you equip the .50 gunpods? Like others have mentioned, I find just the two .50s in the nose to be too weak and I'm a terrible shot with the cannon at the moment. Thanks.

PBNA-Boosher
06-06-2005, 06:20 AM
Use the .50's as a barrier type weapon, limit where your enemy can go. Use the cannon at very close range to finish him off. Unless your bandit is a Zeke, then you must fire with wild abandon, any hit will flame him.

Vipez-
06-06-2005, 09:54 AM
It's magnificent plane. The best US plane for fighting below 4000 meters.. Infact, when im in the kingcobra I fear nothing, except the LA-7, Dora '45 (after 4.0 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ), and KI84, and perhaps FW190 A-9.. faster, than BFs on sealevel, so you can disengage at will, allthough you probably loose in a turn fight with 109, if you are not careful. But the 37mm more than makes up for it, as it is one shot - one kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif FW190 vs Kingcobra is an interesting fight, P63 having most advantages (climb, turn, though slightly worse roll)

Perhaps the most underrated planes in the sim.. if you fly this plane, FORGET the gunpods, you don't need them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Bronzefist
06-07-2005, 02:39 PM
Good feedback but I'm asking specifically if there is a significant performance drop-off when you have the gundpods equipped? I personally havent noticed much difference, but I'm a total noob at this game.

Also, where is the radiator located? I know on some aircraft opening the radiator cause a good amount of drag but I cant even see any visible difference when opening the radiator on the Cobra series. I am wodering if opening their radiators causes any drag at all.

Thanks!

GR142-Pipper
06-08-2005, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by Tallyho1961:
The P-63 almost never gets mentioned here - and I don't think I've even sat in the cockpit until today. I was on War Clouds this afternoon and it was in the planeset, so I decided to give it a try.

I found it a really nice a/c. If I was any sort of decent shot I could have bagged 3-4 bandits. As it was, I smoked one FW and gave a few other FW's and 109's a good run for their money.

The thing I noticed was that it is fast and holds its speed up really well. In fact, the first time I tried to land, I had to go around and really work at getting my IAS down below 200mph so I could start to drop my gear and flaps.

Visibility out the sides is a bit tough due to those thick door frames - like the P-39. Anybody else tried it and have any comments? The P-63 as modeled in this game is really pretty good. I have found it to have one pecular trait though. The aircraft tends to bounce quite badly on landing. This is particularly noticable if the aircraft has taken some hits and a fair amount of rudder is necessary to maintain a straight landing heading. Be as gentle as possible when in this condition on landing as it can "bounce" you straight into a crash quite easily.

GR142-Pipper

anarchy52
06-08-2005, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
i wish german 30mm fired somewhat like the p63 and 20mm somewhat like the p39.

LOL so did the allies
While on the subject of 20mm I wonder why they didn't replace the heavy and slow 37mm cannon on all cobras with 20mm. Perhaps because hispano had serious reliability problems? Why not shvak then?

Vipez-
06-08-2005, 05:17 AM
Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
i wish german 30mm fired somewhat like the p63 and 20mm somewhat like the p39.

LOL so did the allies
While on the subject of 20mm I wonder why they didn't replace the heavy and slow 37mm cannon on all cobras with 20mm. Perhaps because hispano had serious reliability problems? Why not shvak then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's because Americans/british didn't use Cobras/KingCobras that much, but for some reason Soviet's preferred to have the 37mm. For ground pounding, and intercepting Bombers it was good weapon . And as for Soviet cobras most of soviet P39 fighter kills were made with machine guns afaik.The HMGs were enough to down fighters ..

Bremspropeller
06-08-2005, 05:36 AM
In game the P-63 is one of the hottest ground-punders.
I'd prefer the Kingcobra for tank-busting any time - on the russian side http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Joilet_Xray
06-08-2005, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Does anyone have a good operational history of the Kingcobra? There isn't much written about it...where it was used, what it was used for, what outfits used it.

I know there was one instance where a USAAF pilot flew a P-63 chasing a Japanese balloon somewhere in the Pacific Northwest. But aside from that...I know very little. VVS, USAAF...anywhere else...

I can't find much said either, of interest though are some excerpts from Francis Dean's 100k

The P-63 was a new design, fuselage, laminar flow wing, lightwieght, with two stage supercharged Alision V-1710-93 which could pull a whooping 75 inches of manifold pressure in WEP with water injection for 1820 HP and 60 inches in WEP without water for about 1500HP.

" It was a better turner than the P-38J if the latter did no use a manuever flap setting, and about the same if the P-38 did. Agaisnt the P-51B the P-63 could get on the Mustang's tail in three to four turns and the P-63s performance got relatively better with increasing turning speed. Against the P-47 the P-63 could get into a stern shot position after two turns." ( The Test a/c was an early P-63A) (Handling characertictics were improved in later a/c).

" Bell indicates a sea level high speed of over 375 MPH could be achieved using 1820HP gained by water injection"

Performance curves show R/C in WEP dry of over 4,000 FPM at SL, R/C in WEP with water shows over 4,000 FPM to almost 14,000 MSL ( Graph 52 page 409)

" The P-63 controls were stiffer than than those of the Aircobra (P-39). With the flaps part way down the P-63 was superior in turning to most anything else in the air."

" An honest aircraft."

"Designed for a positve flight manuever of 8.0 G ( 12 G ultimate)"

"Dive tests were conducted to .8 mach.
Mach tuck observed to start above 400MPH IAS.
Limiting dive speeds set up for the a/c were 525 MPH IAS at SL; 400 MPH IAS at 15,000 to 20,000; and 250 MPH IAS at 30,000 to 35,000"

"Dec 1944 Delivery of P-63Cs most to Russia"
"April 1945 - The Russians express dissatisfaction with the P-63 saying the plane is weak. The aft fuselage is beefed up in a field modification."

I find the simmed version to be as advertised a "hotrod" but must be flown within its envelope, and be flown very similar to the way one would handle the '39.... but faster.

All the Best

"JX"

woofiedog
06-09-2005, 04:38 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Copperhead310th!

Bronzefist
06-09-2005, 08:51 PM
What do you guys set your cannon convergence (sp) to? I currently have it set at 200 but my shots often seem to fly OVER the target. Curious to know how you guys use the cannon AND if any of you use the gunpods.