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Jex_TG
06-06-2005, 09:33 AM
So falcon is being re-released, with updated graphics and changes to the AI, DC and other things. Many would argue that Falcon is the definitive combat flight sim...

A Typical Falcon Flight, as played, with nothing made up...


We all assembled for the briefing. We could see our flight plan laid out before us showing the phase line, and both friendly and enemy ground units. Our scripted flight plan took us over SA2 and SA5 SAM sites. Since we had no SEAD escort we decided to change the steerpoints to avoid them. We would fly in at angels 20, and drop down to the deck as we neared the target to avoid the SAMs. We had a 2-ship fighter escort (Stud flight) and us (Weasel flight 4-ship) would be tasked with an OCA (offensive counter air) strike against Wonsan Airbase. We then selected our ordnance. Weasel one and two would take BLU-107 Durandal's to take out the runway, whilst Weasel three and four would take good old mark 82's and take out the surrounding buildings. Everyone understood the plan, AWACs was already airbourne and we had clear weather. Everyone went to the bathroom before climbing into their respective pits.

Once on the taxi way, Weasel flight was directed to "hold short" whilst Stud flight got airbourne. We then proceeded with a 'buster' take off, and climbed to angels 20. Weasel flight formed up, and we fenced in (set up our bird for the forthcoming attack, typically setting our bomb dispersal patterns, what ECM program to load, etc). A quick check with AWACs confirmed we had no threats in our area, and we sat back. We had a few minutes before we would cross the phase line. Miles away, some battle took place. We could see explosions on the ground. Another fight was kicking off further to the left. Contact reports from other flights came in across the air.

Our 2nd waypoint was our push point. We formed up here with Stud and then proceeded on to target. Both flights called feet wet and that's when it all started to happen.

Stud flight had contacts 12 o'clock and proceeded to engage. A minute later they engaged a couple of migs. Then suddenly we get a call from AWAC's, enemy aircraft headed our way from out 10 o'clock. We turn to engage, locking them up on our radar and called AWACs to confirm our contacts are indeed hostile. AWACs confirms. We push on towards them, a couple of Mig-21's, should be no problem. 15 miles out they turn tail on us, we press. 30 seconds later SAM launch - ****! I scan the ground and see it. Those sneaky mothers suckered us right into the SAM range. I beam the missile, keeping it on my 3. SAM launch again! Off on my 4. SAM launch again, the original site launched another! I drop decoys as they get close, all the while the warning tone screams in my ear. I roll and pull hard right into the incomming missile. Evade one and invert. More chaff and pull back hard. Head for the deck, trying to break the lock. It works! I'm now on the deck and heading out of danger park.

Weasel flight forms up in the weeds and proceeds low level to the target sight. Our radar is off, we're trying to sneak by (and dogfighting with all these bombs on our wings isn't a good idea). We hit our IP, our weapons are set. One mile out and we pull up to make our bomb drop. Music on and we pass over the runway, pickling our durundals all down the runway and taking out the tower and some hangers. Triple-A is coming in thick, I take a hit but it's not serious. We have migs around us but now with our bombs dropped, we can fight. I set my bird to Cat 1 configuration (giving my bird better flight characteristics) and switch to dogfight mode. Between the four of us we quickly mop up the enemy airthreat with our nine-mikes but then disaster strikes. Weasel 3 calls "SAM launch" but it's too late. Weasel 4 takes a hit - shoulder launch SAM's give no warning but weasel 4 is lucky this time and can still fly but is badly damaged. We form up on his wing and bug out. Shortly after weasel 4 reports that he isn't going to make it. He tries to get as far as he can home - the closer he gets the better the chance of rescue. Finally he bails. We call AWACs and request a rescue chopper to be vectored his way. We continue home on the deck until we cross the phase line then it's back up to angels 20.

Soon we're near home plate and get some seperation. We call 'inbound' to the tower and they give us our vectors to bring us in to land. I'm #2 and I set up my approach. At 5 miles I drop my gear, extended the boards and get red over white on the VASI lights. Now it's just a simple process of using the throttle to ride the glide. I touch down and taxi off the runway to park. I switch off the engine, power down and exit the pit and go to the debrief. We see weasel 4 is rescued (http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif), and then each pilot gives his debrief.

The runway took massive damage and is out of commission. That should help the boys on the frontline who were getting hit from that base.


Allied Force also contains the balkans theatre and different time periods to play. Typical campaigns will last 20 days (real time) but can be as low as 8 or as many as 30. If you have falcon already - will you be getting this? If you don't have falcon - will you be getting this?

http://www.lead-pursuit.com/

Check out the developers notes as well as they tell you what they are improving http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-06-2005, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Jex_TG:


A Typical Falcon Flight, as played, with nothing made up...

[QUOTE] Everyone went to the bathroom before climbing into their respective pits.


What ? You can actually go to the Bathroom in Falcon 4? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I used to fly Falcon, primarily cos I liked the dynamic Campaign, but WWII has always garnered my main interest. Still this new version sounds great; just wish I had time for another flight sim....

Charlie901
06-06-2005, 10:07 AM
I'm definately getting it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


I can't wait to "Ramp Start" my Falcon, with those beautiful, "Clickable", Pits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nimits
06-06-2005, 11:38 AM
Probably going to get it . . .

Scen
06-06-2005, 12:00 PM
Yes!

If you haven't flown F4 in a while then you're missing something. It's come a long way with all the development. The only thing that kinda blows now is that it has a harder instal procedure.

Ace_Eloff
06-06-2005, 12:02 PM
:O

Will it support 6DOF Vector for Track IR?

tttiger
06-06-2005, 12:41 PM
Falcon 4.0 had campaigns that were the best ever. Oleg & Starshoy never did "get it" when it came to campaigns and I doubt they ever will. Everything in FB/PF is linear, Falcon had a "virtual world." And it looks like the new version will get even better.

Best jet sim ever, and maybe the best (off-line at least) flight sim ever. Huge learning curve but that just scares away the kind you find in dogfight arenas in PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You can bet I'll buy the new version.

ttt

Capt.LoneRanger
06-06-2005, 12:59 PM
Realism, Avionics and Campaign are still the best on the market. Pitty no sim even scratched these limits.

I'll definitly get it, so I can remove my old installation from my HDD. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fubar1Niner
06-06-2005, 01:35 PM
You can definately count me in on this one. F4 was/is The Difinitive flight sim

SKULLS Virga
06-06-2005, 01:52 PM
I keep hearing how F4.0 was / is the benchmark for everything in the universe, but I honestly just could not get into it. Too many people have raved about it so I believe I must have missed something.

Reschke
06-06-2005, 02:01 PM
Yep going to get that one when its out.

Malik_VII
06-06-2005, 02:09 PM
Yes definatly. I am looking forward to this.

Ace_Eloff
06-06-2005, 03:02 PM
Judging by the screenshots, the graphics are sub-par... especially the water http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Hawggy
06-06-2005, 03:10 PM
Just rememeber man - F4 was originally designed about ten years ago. The campaign structure is such that it hasn't been TOUCHED by any other sim previously, or to date. If anything, Falcon 4.0 was before it's time - way before broadband was common, and systems choked on it's ambitious approach to the whole genre.

Heard it was getting re-released a year ago by Xicat, but that fell through the floor - if this holds, I'll be one pleased flight simmer.

Besides a P-51, the Falcon is one of the sexiest A/C in the world - and it's funny how they both look alike in certain ways. Anyway, can't wait to climb back into the pit; By the time I stopped flying F4, there were more 3rd party mods than I liked to count. It'd be great if a company can repackage that game - Awesome MP experience!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

reisen52
06-06-2005, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Ace_Eloff:
especially the water http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

A real show-stopper in a flight sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Still the best true simulator ever put on a home computer.

Zeke

showboat1971
06-06-2005, 03:37 PM
Probably not. I played 4.0 to death, but you never know...... I thought I was through with IL-2

VikingViper
06-06-2005, 03:42 PM
Definately getting it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Scrapper_511
06-06-2005, 04:38 PM
Well, now that you mention it...YES!

Bearcat99
06-06-2005, 06:44 PM
It sounds great but I'm a prop jock through and through.

heywooood
06-06-2005, 06:52 PM
I'm getting it

http://www.graphsim.com/gsc/images/falconaf-shot-7.jpg http://www.graphsim.com/gsc/images/falconaf-shot-5.jpg http://www.graphsim.com/gsc/images/falconaf-shot-9.jpg

marcocomparato
06-06-2005, 07:25 PM
i pre-ordered it and ive never played any jet sim but LOMAC (which i still dont really get. i mean... you dont want to dogfight with guns??)

i just like to support the industry - and maybe i will like it.

however, if i go to the bar and hang out a few hours i spend more than 50 bucks (in the city) so i figure if i can get more than a few hours of fun for it, what a value!

james_ander
06-06-2005, 07:40 PM
I will definately be getting it. I can appreciate Falcon, but could never get into it. There are so many variations of it and 3rd party mods. You have to spend a great deal of time learning how the software files are installed, go together, etc. It was more time than I had.

Also the graphics bug me, I must admit. I'm not a huge eye candy fan, don't get me wrong. I always found Strike Fighter type graphics sufficient. Falcon had great looking aircraft skins and some good terrain mods. But you would just be getting into when some cheesey old school effect would bring you back to reality. My favorite was crashing your F-16. It would break into pieces, the fuselage would stand up on an end and smoke like a cheap cigar. Anyway...I'll be getting it. The campaign and avionics can't be beat.

Akwar
06-06-2005, 07:44 PM
Anyone that wouldnt support a new release of Falcon and purchase it is off his rocker.
Amazing how people complain about grapics not up to par.Obviously anyone making a comment like that never had the "Falcon 4.0" experience.YES I will buy it.

VELCRO_FLY
06-06-2005, 08:19 PM
Yes. I will get it. I came over to PF from Falcon 4.0. Not because I didn't like the game I just hated that it was not stable for online play. I hope this new release will fix that.

I can say the avionics are right on par with the real thing (if your into that). I work on the F16 for a living (avionics) and this game is as real as it gets. At least that I have seen in the sim comunity. Of course having said that, I will never leave PF. I will just have to figure out how to make time for both http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I'm addicted to this game, even without the much anticipated patch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Tachyon1000
06-06-2005, 09:39 PM
A flight sim with missiles is no combat sim to me. Modern aircraft are just missile and automated ordinance platforms. I'm sure it's very complicated, yada, yada, but if there is no prop on it, what's the point? If I don't have to aim, I don't see the point.

Modern air combat has been robbed of its human dimesions. Launching a missile at a plane you can't even see has none of the thrill of lining up a deflection shot or sighting up ground targets in your optical (not radar guided hooha) bombsite.

Further, I'd say that a WWII sim has ability to convey a sense of the sacrifice of those who fought in perhaps the last moral war if war is ever moral. Jet sims are the province of armchair cold-war warriors who I fear would have liked nothing better than to pull the nuclear trigger on the "evil empire". No war-mongering for me, thanks.

Flying_Nutcase
06-07-2005, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Tachyon1000:
A flight sim with missiles is no combat sim to me. Modern aircraft are just missile and automated ordinance platforms. I'm sure it's very complicated, yada, yada, but if there is no prop on it, what's the point? If I don't have to aim, I don't see the point.

Modern air combat has been robbed of its human dimesions. Launching a missile at a plane you can't even see has none of the thrill of lining up a deflection shot or sighting up ground targets in your optical (not radar guided hooha) bombsite.

Further, I'd say that a WWII sim has ability to convey a sense of the sacrifice of those who fought in perhaps the last moral war if war is ever moral. Jet sims are the province of armchair cold-war warriors who I fear would have liked nothing better than to pull the nuclear trigger on the "evil empire". No war-mongering for me, thanks.


The disruption you feel in The Force is a bunch of fiery arrows coming your way. I think you'll be hearing from the 'Other Side' pretty soon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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I've never played a jet sim, but I might give it a go as something a little different.

It supports TrackIR2, right??

Schlagloch
06-07-2005, 01:49 AM
I never got the hang of midair refueling. Too fast, too slow, too low, too high, oops, that tanker is too close, boom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif And for some missions a single load of fuel was just not sufficient, so I gave it up.

Well, maybe I'll try again. But first I have to survive the great patriotic war in my P-39.

Jex_TG
06-07-2005, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by Scen:
Yes!

If you haven't flown F4 in a while then you're missing something. It's come a long way with all the development. The only thing that kinda blows now is that it has a harder instal procedure.

Not anymore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. The new version will be one simple install which is good news for all.

Jex_TG
06-07-2005, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by Ace_Eloff:
:O

Will it support 6DOF Vector for Track IR?

Some versions of falcon already support T/ir. I suspect this will too but I doubt the dof will be.

Jex_TG
06-07-2005, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Flying_Nutcase:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tachyon1000:
A flight sim with missiles is no combat sim to me. Modern aircraft are just missile and automated ordinance platforms. I'm sure it's very complicated, yada, yada, but if there is no prop on it, what's the point? If I don't have to aim, I don't see the point.

Modern air combat has been robbed of its human dimesions. Launching a missile at a plane you can't even see has none of the thrill of lining up a deflection shot or sighting up ground targets in your optical (not radar guided hooha) bombsite.

Further, I'd say that a WWII sim has ability to convey a sense of the sacrifice of those who fought in perhaps the last moral war if war is ever moral. Jet sims are the province of armchair cold-war warriors who I fear would have liked nothing better than to pull the nuclear trigger on the "evil empire". No war-mongering for me, thanks.


The disruption you feel in The Force is a bunch of fiery arrows coming your way. I think you'll be hearing from the 'Other Side' pretty soon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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I've never played a jet sim, but I might give it a go as something a little different.

It supports TrackIR2, right?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Only yesterday was I in a guns fight with a pair of migs. That was of course after setting up my briefing with my real life wing men, selecting our ordnance out of about 30 different types and then having to wait for other aircraft to land before we could take off. Of course we had AWACs we could talk to to get a picture of what was going on around us meanwhile keeping an eye on SAMs and other threats. Then having to click numerous buttons just to set our craft up for attack AND having a whole war around us.

But that's way more boring than flying for 45 minutes doing sweet FA so I can get into a dogfight with 2 aircraft and then fly another 45 minutes back to the carrier <yawn>. As for cold war junkies, um no. Just guys who like something called "immersion". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now that wasn't too bad was it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Billy_BigBoy
06-07-2005, 02:36 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
Ohhh...this feels like coming home.

I have many, many flighthours on the original F4 and all the patched ones upto SP4.

I loved the campaign generator, the clickable cockpit, the deep strike interdictions and the endless CAP's when nothing happened...

So yes, i'm interested

mortoma
06-07-2005, 04:04 PM
I'm going to get it but I'm going to have to sit on it for a while. With my current computer, I won't even bother to unwrap the cellophane covering the box. I'm still stuggling with an AMD-2100 system with PC-2100 memory!!!! F4-Allied Force would probably laugh at a PC like mine!!
I will upgrade someday when I get a job. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

heywooood
06-07-2005, 06:47 PM
money IS the problem....I need SHIII and Falcon AF but there is a problem.

How to afford them and the new hard drive to hold it all..and yet then afford the complete new rig I'm going to need when 1c BoB comes around.

Charlie901
06-07-2005, 08:30 PM
Funny how I could never really get into LOMAC, but I love IL2 and my original Falcon 4.0.

IL2 is a great "prop" sim, where F4.0 can't be touched for modern day, "Fighter Jock", immersion.

The campaign in Falcon 4.0 is highly addictive and totally DYNAMIC. EX: Bomb a runway and it's out of commision until fixed, reducing airpower in that area. It's incredible hearing the comms of various flights doing their thing, and the screams for help, during the campaign. Try the campaign and you will be Spoiled for Life, trust me! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GAU-8
06-08-2005, 03:35 AM
cant wait to try it!

i am not a "single sim " type. i believe that ALL flight sims BELONG on my hard drive, within easy reach.

Jex_TG
06-08-2005, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I'm going to get it but I'm going to have to sit on it for a while. With my current computer, I won't even bother to unwrap the cellophane covering the box. I'm still stuggling with an AMD-2100 system with PC-2100 memory!!!! F4-Allied Force would probably laugh at a PC like mine!!
I will upgrade someday when I get a job. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

If you run pacific fighters, I imagine falcon will run ok for you (that's what graphics settings are for http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Remember that falcon was made for 200mhz machines, this has had a graphics update but it looks like the Free Falcon install. If that is the case, My p4 2.0ghz with 266ddr runs it fine. You will be missing out on a great sim if you don't get this.

I never got into falcon until about 9 months ago. I can't believe I missed this game. I simply cannot tell you how great it is to fly out with 8-12 other human pilots, all part of the same 'package'. The package elements (individual flights like falcon 1-1 through 1-4, as in a 4 ship element, viper 1-1 and 1-2, fury 1-1 through 1-4) may take off from different airports, but we all meet at the push point (a waypoint). Once there we go out together so say falcon flight is tasked with groubnd attack, viper flight are SEAD suppression and Fury flight are our escort.

Each flight takes it's own comms channel, but we can all chat to each other using a 'broadcast key' (this is using teamspeak). This keeps the comms more realistic and easier.

We all fly out, and on a great day we all come back. The immersion you get from having all these human players on your side is second to none. No other flight sim I have played has been as immersive as this - it really does work well.

Here's the spec req's for you


SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
Windowsâ® 98 / ME / 2000 / XP
Pentiumâ® 4 1.5Ghz or AMD Athlonâ® 1.2Ghz (recommend: Pentiumâ® 4 2.4Ghz or AMD Athlonâ® 1800)
1.5Gb Free Hard Disk Space (plus 500Mb for Windows Swap File)
4x CD-ROM Drive, 100% Windows compatible mouse, keyboard and joystick
1024x768 resolution capable color monitor
64Mb 3D accelerated DirectXâ® compatible Video Card (recommend 128Mb)
100% DirectXâ® version 9.0b or higher compatible sound card
56Kbps modem for multiplayer options (recommend: DSL/Broadband)
DirectX version 9.0b (included) or higher

Jex_TG
06-08-2005, 05:11 AM
Sim HQ interviewed the devs, find it here http://www.simhq.com/_air4/air_135a.html

Slickun
06-08-2005, 11:28 AM
Co-ops were so fun, the poster above tried to convey it, but you have to fly it to see what he's talking about.

I used to do head to head matchups, on Falcon3, over a modem. Long distance charges became prohibitive.

Falcon 4 was never that stable on-line, even after all the mods. That's why the developers, in their interviews, talk about stability so much.

The dynamic campaign is truly awesome.

ROTC4612
06-08-2005, 04:49 PM
I own Falcon 4.0 and i'll agree that when it came out it was the best thing out there. This new version looks awesome too but from my point of view it doesnt look as good as Lock On. That game has quite a bit to offer and it looks like its graphics beat this new falcon. I might buy it but im going to wait until it comes out so i can see what people think of it.

LEXX_Luthor
06-08-2005, 05:18 PM
Silent Hunter III at 64x time acceleration is similar to long range jet intercept...but with flying torpedoes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tachyon::
Modern air combat has been robbed of its human dimesions. Launching a missile at a plane you can't even see has none of the thrill of lining up a deflection shot or sighting up ground targets in your optical (not radar guided hooha) bombsite.
The prop dogfighters flocking to Silent Hunter III prove they are not "against" missiles but something else -- what I don't know. Maybe its their way of posting they are fed up with all the Teen Fighters(tm) in every jet sim ever made, and have no other way of expressing themselves. That I understand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Nemisis_WOF
06-08-2005, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I'm going to get it but I'm going to have to sit on it for a while. With my current computer, I won't even bother to unwrap the cellophane covering the box. I'm still stuggling with an AMD-2100 system with PC-2100 memory!!!! F4-Allied Force would probably laugh at a PC like mine!!
I will upgrade someday when I get a job. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Mortoma just to remind you that Falcon 4 allied force is an update of the original Falcon 4 that was released about 7 years ago! Yes it has updated graphics but i can tell you now that even with the updates that allied force has your AMD2100 will have no probs running it since i could run Falcon 4 Free Falcon 3 (which looks just as good as allied force does) on my old Pentium III 500 MHZ with 256MB ram!

I have seriously upgraded since then though but i have tested it on my old rig and it still runs Falcon fine.

I have been playing Falcon 4 for 3 to 4 years now and have seen it improve graphicaly and in flight models over these years and my Squad has changed it's version of the install to suit the latest and greatest revisions but i am still going to go and buy Allied Force when it's released despite having what appears to be a version that is as good as it all ready Namely the Free Falcon 3 mod!

wayno7777
06-08-2005, 10:12 PM
I got F4 back when I had a 233 AMD.and it ran ok. Now I have a 750 Duron ( big improvment ha ha ) and the SP4 updates and it still runs fine. I have more probs with PFm. So, I'll probably get it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Jex_TG
06-09-2005, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by ROTC4612:
I own Falcon 4.0 and i'll agree that when it came out it was the best thing out there. This new version looks awesome too but from my point of view it doesnt look as good as Lock On. That game has quite a bit to offer and it looks like its graphics beat this new falcon. I might buy it but im going to wait until it comes out so i can see what people think of it.

Admittedly graphics are a major part of a good flight sim, but what good is lock on now as a combat flight sim - the missions are done, no dynamic campaign and if I wasn't part of an online formation flight team, it would be gathering dust.

I made quite a few missions for lock on, as did a friend of mine. We'd then join up with other frinds and go fly them. Trouble there is that at least one of us knew exactly what was going to happen and when, and also that the environment was completely stale. Soon making missions became a drag (crappy time consuming Mission editor - hello cut & paste???), and we got bored. Most of the guys shelved and uninstalled it.

Graphics aren't everything. It may be what you want for a flight sim, but not necessarily what is required for a combat flight sim. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nemisis_WOF
06-09-2005, 05:06 AM
Have to agree with some of the points stated here about Lomac.

While it is fantastic looking and for the best feeling of flight it is probably the best Sim out there at the moment, it does not come close to the realism of a proper full on war.

The behaviour of the AI in Falcon is second to none, AI aircraft carry out mission tasks as realistically as poss and if jumped on the way to their mission they attack or defend then after the threat is gone they will return to the planned mission and they don't have the game killing all seeing eye that the AI do in Lomac, such as knowing you are there 500 miles away and head straight for you when you haven't even taken off yet!

Lomac is a good flight sim but it's emersion factor as far as war is concerned is very poor compared to Falcon.

I still fly most of my flight sims Falcon, Janes F/A-18, Lomac and IL2 PF merged install.

For realism in battle Falcon and Janes F/A-18 are the best.

IL2 rocks for looks and playability but there is something that i can't quite put my finger on that makes it feel more like a very good Game than a Sim.

But for realism of feeling of flight and just plain gorgeous looks Lomac wins.

At the end of the day it's each to his own on what he likes about a sim that makes it his favourite, Falcon is the Best except for looks in my opinion but it does take A LOT of learning to fully master it and this puts a lot of people off it.

That said IL2 PF merged is probably the most flown sim in my squad at the moment.

And i have got to find time to fit in Dangerous Waters and Silent Hunter III as well, there just isn't enough time in the day!!