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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:35 AM
Saw in the development pages that A6M5 is completed. Does anyone know what gunsight is used in that bird... would appreciate if anyone who knows or can figure out can anwser.

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:35 AM
Saw in the development pages that A6M5 is completed. Does anyone know what gunsight is used in that bird... would appreciate if anyone who knows or can figure out can anwser.

Cheers


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:48 AM
Type 98 reflector per Mikesh/Watanabe



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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 04:03 AM
omg i just realized something....

Having Japanese airplanes means Ubi now has a chance to misspell words in the Japanese cockpits! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Gotta give 1C:Maddox credit, though, they spell their Russian right. Every other language has flaws as far as I can tell , except for Finnish.... I can't read that crazy stuff /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 09:42 AM
thnx mate

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:07 AM
I see what you mean Orheim /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I was thinking the same myself... Maybe it's a Japanese version of the German Revi. Well spotted.

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:37 AM
It looks similar to a Type 98, however hasn't anyone wondered why the standby sight is in use? Probably using too much logic here, but you do realise that this is supposed to be a REFLECTOR gunsight with a STANDBY system?

I often wondered about the I-153 as well, although in that case I kept thinking that Oleg must have his logic, but with the Type 98 it is different.

However having touched the subject, why does the I-153 use the double sights as well?

Logic?

Practice?

Ignorance?

I dunno...

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:30 PM
Capt_Haddock wrote:
- I see what you mean Orheim
- I was thinking the same myself... Maybe it's a
- Japanese version of the German Revi. Well spotted.
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- <img
- src="http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/haddock/sig/glad
- ihad_01.gif">
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Yeah Haddock , everything to make your life easier ;-)

Rhorta, I am not an expert on gunsights, but take a look at this Revi 3a Reflector gunsight. Two systems right?

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Message Edited on 09/13/0303:31PM by F19_Orheim

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:03 PM
Damn.. the German Revi 3a Reflector Gunsight and this Japanese Type 98 Gunsight looks really similar. Maybe the Japanese just (as u implied Haddock) copied the German gunsight??? Aren't they famous for that? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The only major difference I can see (from the rear anyway) is the padded handle on the Japanese Type 98.

Does any one know about this? Please help out!!!

And rhorta, again I am not an expert, but as seen on the first pic below, I guess they didn't use the two systems at the same time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.gbg.bonet.se/bjorta/Revi%203a%2005.jpg

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:35 PM
Well, surely the I-153 and the Zero had to see through both the alligned sights to have an accurate aim. As in hand guns... (?) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:49 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- Well, surely the I-153 and the Zero had to see
- through both the alligned sights to have an accurate
- aim. As in hand guns... (?) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

You EITHER use a Reflector type sight OR a ring and bead type sight, if you use BOTH then the effect can be seen in the current I-153...a cluttered mess.

Perhaps the Soviets did go for that cluttered state, you never know (although I personally doubt it), the Japanese sight clearly offers the ring and bead as STANDBY - as in TO USE IN CASE OF LOSS of the reflector sight.

Many sights of the era offered a ring and bead backup, how these became intermixed in the I-153 and upcoming A6M appears to be a result from blindly copying museum photography without using common sense - like the 60-year old yellow stained ERLA haube.

Even IF they used the backup system on a regular basis, than it should also be possible to switch of the REVI, so that you remove the clutter, or better yet have the OPTIOn to use REVI, BACKUP or BOTH.

Be happy that they didn't do the same in the Razorback!

Of course I am certain that we'll have to stick with it, no chance of correction whatsoever...period.

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Message Edited on 09/13/0302:55PM by rhorta

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 09:37 PM
Thanks all for the info on this sight! It's going to be really helpful for the J8.
I'll have to find out more on how the dual sight (iron/reflector) was really used.

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 10:11 PM
The Ring site is mounted on a traversing pivot that is operated by a handle on most sights with standby. When needed the site is moved up and behind the reflector glass.

Its there not neccessarily for battle damage but if the lamp fails in the reflector sight or shorts out or you have an electrical failure etc. Which wasn't an uncommon occurance in those days.

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 10:17 PM
thanx Cragger.. Anyone else about this particular gunsight or gunsights in general?


Haddock, I'll see if I can figure out something about handling it from the manual, however my German sucks.

I've got the manual for the Revi 3a but it's in German, do we have any Germans in here who could help us out, I've got it as a PDF file.

If so- contact me on f19orheim@hotmail.com



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Message Edited on 09/14/0301:29AM by F19_Orheim

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:03 PM
I'm not German, but German is my mother tongue. Post that text in here and me or another one could translate it.



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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:10 PM
I rather send the file to u.
The document is scanned, and exported as a PDF, however not as a textformat.

Mail me at the adress given and ill send u the PDF file

VERY Thankful for the help..

Cheers

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