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Gitano1979
09-18-2007, 03:09 AM
Hi all,

my personal opinion is that as the mirror gives a blind cone, altough a little one, it should be a fixed object in the cockpit view. To save fps, the reflected image could be replaced by a neutral gray one when togglin down the mirror.

Your opinions?

Bearcat99
09-18-2007, 06:48 AM
YOu mean instead of going from no mirror to low res to high res go from grey to low to high?

JG53Frankyboy
09-18-2007, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
YOu mean instead of going from no mirror to low res to high res go from grey to low to high?

yep, and with working 6DOF it should be no proplem to have the mirror case always there.

Gitano1979
09-18-2007, 09:43 AM
yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gitano1979
09-18-2007, 10:02 AM
a bad attempt, but it gives the feel of what i mean:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd179/Gitano1979/WO-mirror.jpg

Retrofish
09-18-2007, 11:34 AM
Sorry if I'm being thick, but how would this save fps?

knightflyte
09-18-2007, 11:59 AM
Well in real life you can't toggle between mirror and no mirror. In cockpit view in the game it's easy to turn off mirrors and have an unobstructed view. (I know I turn mine off all the time..... mostly because you can't see around them)

So, instead of being able to select "mirror" or "no mirror," a 'greyed out' mirror frame will keep the realism of an attached permanatant fixture but a grey mirror image will not take extra CPU cycles as opposed to a reflected image within the frame.

I'm not sure this is as big an issue (fps) as it once was.

elephant_il2
09-18-2007, 01:48 PM
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bigbossmalone
09-18-2007, 04:34 PM
Agreed. I think this would be a good idea.
There could still be a 'no mirror' option, I suppose - of course, sticking to the realism theme, the 'greyed-out' mirror seems preferable to no mirror.
Good idea.
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Gitano1979
09-18-2007, 05:04 PM
As Frankyboy said, with 6DOF in SOW, fixed mirror would be only a miner problem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
09-18-2007, 09:27 PM
Careful what you ask for.

Oleg's Team might "forget" to make the grey mirror blank respond to night -- the blank mirror blinds you in low light level conditions. This was a huge issue in the StrikeFighters in both stock and 3rd Partie cockpits, where the mirror blank was a blinding white -- day or night! It killed any night flying if mirrors were turned OFF. But the developer fixed this in a Patch for the stock cockpits. The basic fix is just painting the mirror bmp file a solid very dark grey, instead of the solid full blown 255x255x255 white.

FritzGryphon
09-18-2007, 09:42 PM
If you hit your head on the mirror, it should knock you out for a short time.

That will teach people to not 6DoF their head all over the cockpit.

Also, if you put your head outside the canopy, and close the canopy, it should decapitate you.

LEXX_Luthor
09-18-2007, 09:47 PM
I was cutting grass the other week (in Flaurida), on a riding lawn mower. Went by an orange tree and a green cammoflaged orange that was hiding among the leaves came out and bopped me in the head. I thought what if the fruit knocked me out and the mower keeps going and going like Duracell Bunny with me asleep.

bigbossmalone
09-19-2007, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I was cutting grass the other week (in Flaurida), on a riding lawn mower. Went by an orange tree and a green cammoflaged orange that was hiding among the leaves came out and bopped me in the head. I thought what if the fruit knocked me out and the mower keeps going and going like Duracell Bunny with me asleep.
Okaaaayyy.....
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Choctaw111
09-19-2007, 02:00 PM
That is an excellent idea! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I never gave any thought that others who may not be using mirrors had a less obstructed view than I had. Having a greyed out mirror would keep everyone on a level playing field as far as that goes.

LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2007, 02:32 PM
No, greyed out mirrors would not make a "level playing field."

Turning mirros OFF is a disadvantage in not seeing the rear.

Whether these two options Balance(tm) each other out, is debatable.

I'd prefer to think of mirror OFF as some pilots simply took their mirrors off their aircraft for whatever reason, or the mirrors got busted and no replacements were available, etc...

DanoClark
09-19-2007, 02:48 PM
No, greyed out mirrors would not make a "level playing field."

Turning mirros OFF is a disadvantage in not seeing the rear.

Whether these two options Balance(tm) each other out, is debatable.

I'd prefer to think of mirror OFF as some pilots simply took their mirrors off their aircraft for whatever reason, or the mirrors got busted and no replacements were available, etc...

Finally some sense http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gitano1979
09-19-2007, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Turning mirros OFF is a disadvantage in not seeing the rear.

Well, it depends. Once i saw an interview with Gunther Rall: IIRC he said that some 109E's used mirrors but they where useless because of too much vibrations and that if something could be seen, it was probably a bandit already firing at you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sincerely i can't speak about RAF as i have no info about mirror issues on Spits and Hurries.

Jediteo
09-19-2007, 04:07 PM
If I don't have no mirror, how am I supposed to park?

Choctaw111
09-19-2007, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
No, greyed out mirrors would not make a "level playing field."

Turning mirros OFF is a disadvantage in not seeing the rear.

Whether these two options Balance(tm) each other out, is debatable.

I'd prefer to think of mirror OFF as some pilots simply took their mirrors off their aircraft for whatever reason, or the mirrors got busted and no replacements were available, etc...

I do see your point. I understand both sides of this debate and see advantages and disadvantages to both.

FritzGryphon
09-20-2007, 10:21 AM
some pilots simply took their mirrors off their aircraft for whatever reason

Good point. If I was in a plane and the mirror was painted grey, I would take it out. Many mirrors were field mods anyway. Nothing saying they have to be there.

However, in this case, the mirror should not be toggleable in flight. I will admit to making my mirror vanish when I want to see behind it, but I won't say it's right.

Choctaw111
09-20-2007, 01:28 PM
I agree that you should not be able to toggle it while in flight.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2007, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I was cutting grass the other week (in Flaurida), on a riding lawn mower. Went by an orange tree and a green cammoflaged orange that was hiding among the leaves came out and bopped me in the head. I thought what if the fruit knocked me out and the mower keeps going and going like Duracell Bunny with me asleep.

There is a switch under the seat on the mower

Try starting the mower without sitting on the seat- you can't do it. Your body weight makes the seat activate the switch. Without weight on the seat, the mower shuts off. This is mandated by Law

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2007, 04:10 PM
On topic, many pilots said that the mirrors vibrated so badly that they were next to useless

In my classic car, I have a mirror that vibrates because of my high-lift cam. To clearly see things in it, I have to steady the mirror with my hand

Imagine a 1500 hp engine vibrating that mirror instead of a 450 hp one

LEXX_Luthor
09-20-2007, 05:17 PM
Gitano::
Once i saw an interview with Gunther Rall: IIRC he said that some 109E's used mirrors but they where useless because of too much vibrations...
Did any of the Email pilots take the "useless" mirror off the plane?


BB::
There is a switch under the seat on the mower

Try starting the mower without sitting on the seat- you can't do it. Your body weight makes the seat activate the switch. Without weight on the seat, the mower shuts off. This is mandated by Law.
Nah, I meant the green cammoed Fruit putting me to sleep while I'm still on the seat, making me slump over the wheel, engine whining away the whole time.

Gitano1979
09-21-2007, 03:23 AM
Just checked some books: Emils with mirror are extremely rare, so i see your point here LEXX.

On the other side, most of the Spits and Hurris have the mirror (but not always) so here i agree with FritzGryphon.

Maybe RAF planes had better mirrors (less vibration) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Retrofish
09-21-2007, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I was cutting grass the other week (in Flaurida), on a riding lawn mower. Went by an orange tree and a green cammoflaged orange that was hiding among the leaves came out and bopped me in the head. I thought what if the fruit knocked me out and the mower keeps going and going like Duracell Bunny with me asleep.

There is a switch under the seat on the mower

Try starting the mower without sitting on the seat- you can't do it. Your body weight makes the seat activate the switch. Without weight on the seat, the mower shuts off. This is mandated by Law </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

then again...how many people in history have been knocked out by a camouflaged orange? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif