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VVanks
05-21-2004, 10:15 PM
I've just been flying the new A6 FW190, and is it just me or as my kill ratio increased ten fold?

The plane is fast, agile, and with the use of combat flaps, super powerful. Not mentioning the vast array of weaponry available.

I've been able to get on more people's tails.

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VVanks
05-21-2004, 10:15 PM
I've just been flying the new A6 FW190, and is it just me or as my kill ratio increased ten fold?

The plane is fast, agile, and with the use of combat flaps, super powerful. Not mentioning the vast array of weaponry available.

I've been able to get on more people's tails.

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Hunde_3.JG51
05-21-2004, 10:42 PM
Its the same as the A-5, if you did good with the A-5 you will do good with the A-6. If you didn't do well with the A-5 then you are doing something different than before. I fly the 190's almost excusively and it seems no different to me than A-5. '43 is a good year for FW-190 in FB except vs. La-5FN and P-51B/C.

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Korolov
05-21-2004, 10:44 PM
All Fw-190s seem to have been turned a bit more doctile in handling from 2.0. You aren't going to outturn much outside of high speed engagements, but you will be able to remain more stable than before.

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Hunde_3.JG51
05-21-2004, 10:51 PM
Agreed, FW-190's are definitely less stall/spin prone than before (in AEP).

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LeadSpitter_
05-21-2004, 10:55 PM
combination of both more arcadish movement and the guns are 1 burst 1 million piece explosion killers which is accurate.

Its dm can be killed in a few short bursts also and the yaks new spit and ki84 are moving very similiar. Realistic no, even feeling match ups yes.

Dont forget with 2.0 all our aims improved so much

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Franzen
05-21-2004, 11:20 PM
I tried the A6 a couple times and it seemed about the same as the A5(I'm no expert). The only difference I found was that once you have your speed it was easier to retain your energy. Seems like a great BnZ plane but I'm no expert there either.
I would like to read more 190 driver opinions since I plan to use the 190 more often due to a paper shortage for 109 repairs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. I still prefer the A4 though. It seems to be more manueverable.

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ElfunkoI
05-22-2004, 12:21 AM
I think E retention model was improved for 190 and P-47, though I am not completely sure. It just seemed to go and go and go out of a dive, more than the previous day (when there was no patch).

A6 is better than A5. With the 4 mg-151/20 all drop rates are more similar so longer range shots are possible. Also the ROF is increased.

If I were to ask for an improvement to the 190 family, even if it happened to the Dora, I'd ask for the Ta-152's mg151/20 with super high ROF. A D9 with that cannon mount would be twice as effective! Only hinderence is what had it historically beside the Ta?

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
05-22-2004, 01:28 AM
i realy need an experianced FW driver to show me what im doing wrong.

cause i can't stand a fight my own starting at equal conditions.

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Hunde_3.JG51
05-22-2004, 02:35 AM
"equal conditions" & "on my own," you have partially answered your own question. Always stalk your opponent and seek to start with the advantage (if it is not there then maneuver to do so if unspotted or do not engage), and always try to fly with wingmen. Bf-109 is a good 1 vs. 1 plane, the FW-190 is a good 4 vs. 4 plane. If you insist on fighting against an opponent alone and on equal terms then turn into him and attempt a head-on with your superior firepower. Force him to maneuver. After merge do not turn, extend away or zoom climb. Make him turn around and lose energy, if he does so without climbing then steepen zoom climb and hammerhead over. Unless he climbed in his turn (as good pilots do) you will be above him and at an advantage. Sometimes at merge a slight dive or quarter roll with no elevator input will fake him into thinking that you are turning or diving and he will take the bait and turn. If he does climb and turn keep extending away or perform a climbing combat turn of your own and force another head-on. Don't get sucked into a turn fight or sacrifice your energy for anything. If you can't force him to maneuver or evade then I recommend you use your dive, roll, & speed and find friendlies. Most planes will out-turn and out-climb the 190 so prolonged fights are not a good idea. The FW-190D is a better performer than the FW-190A's, and it is a better 1 vs. 1 plane due to its better handling, speed, climb, acceleration, & energy retention.

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[This message was edited by Hunde_3.JG51 on Sat May 22 2004 at 01:44 AM.]

reload2000
05-22-2004, 02:58 AM
I fly the 190's alot and i didnt notice any difference really. Flies like the A5 and A4 but with different 20's.

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
05-22-2004, 03:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
"equal conditions" & "on my own," you have partially answered your own question. Always stalk your opponent and seek to start with the advantage (if it is not there then maneuver to do so if unspotted or do not engage), and always try to fly with wingmen. Bf-109 is a good 1 vs. 1 plane, the FW-190 is a good 4 vs. 4 plane. If you insist on fighting against an opponent alone and on equal terms then turn into him and attempt a head-on with your superior firepower. Force him to maneuver. After merge do not turn, extend away or zoom climb. Make him turn around and lose energy, if he does so without climbing then steepen zoom climb and hammerhead over. Unless he climbed in his turn (as good pilots do) you will be above him and at an advantage. Sometimes at merge a slight dive or quarter roll with no elevator input will fake him into thinking that you are turning or diving and he will take the bait and turn. If he does climb and turn keep extending away or perform a climbing combat turn of your own and force another head-on. Don't get sucked into a turn fight or sacrifice your energy for anything. If you can't force him to maneuver or evade then I recommend you use your dive, roll, & speed and find friendlies. Most planes will out-turn and out-climb the 190 so prolonged fights are not a good idea. The FW-190D is a better performer than the FW-190A's, and it is a better 1 vs. 1 plane due to its better handling, speed, climb, acceleration, & energy retention.

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[This message was edited by Hunde_3.JG51 on Sat May 22 2004 at 01:44 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nice post thanks.
But i'm no "Rookie" in the 190s myself.

i just can't shake my opponent anymore in it because its RoR has dropped.
Cant talk about USAF , have just forced Spit and VVS in FW with Beta 2.01 right now. but AFAIR the P51 is a problem too, because it can outloop u and bank with high AoA every time i try to get in position, when i evade him and don't follow him in his "turn" i always got him at my 6, and he is mostly not slower than me in Zoom even if he did this e-expensive manouver.
If i follow i may get a couple of hits on him but he always keeps flying and alteron killing me or damage me seriously.

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Zen--
05-22-2004, 03:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Its the same as the A-5, if you did good with the A-5 you will do good with the A-6. If you didn't do well with the A-5 then you are doing something different than before. I fly the 190's almost excusively and it seems no different to me than A-5. '43 is a good year for FW-190 in FB except vs. La-5FN and P-51B/C.

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Agreed and point well said.

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p1ngu666
05-22-2004, 07:35 AM
a5 was my fav 190 of a series, along with the f8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
a4 seems to lack the edge.

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