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Rammjaeger
07-19-2008, 02:01 AM
...I made these tracks during offline campaigns and a coop mission in 4.08 and 4.09beta. Apparently some aircraft types are very resiliant to damage...

Spitfire:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M6quZBEiC-8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nMZoxPufkN0

Fw-190D:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WWtcQlPZFg0

Il-10:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPJat8U6vc

RegRag1977
07-19-2008, 04:39 AM
Interesting, the IL10 took at least three 30mm in the wing and is still flying more or less straight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif !

Not trying to compare a game with reality, but how many 30 were required to down an IL2/10 in reality?

PS Hi Rammjaeger, have you already tried the N1K2 or N1K1 ace in the QMB? These are sometimes hard to down too...Tough AC, excellent to warm up before an online sortie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nice tracks and attacks, by the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Xiolablu3
07-19-2008, 05:22 AM
Funny stuff,

Howerver these are really freak happenings and not usual.

TinyTim
07-19-2008, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by Rammjaeger:
...I made these tracks during offline campaigns and a coop mission in 4.08 and 4.09beta. Apparently some aircraft types are very resiliant to damage...

Spitfire:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M6quZBEiC-8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nMZoxPufkN0

Fw-190D:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WWtcQlPZFg0

Il-10:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPJat8U6vc

Nice tracks, ty for sharing.

First one seems especially interesting to me, because I have a "feeling" that sometimes ac absorbs quite a lot of damage without any external clue (oil, fuelleak, smoke of any kind), only to suddenly explode when one of the next bullet hits.


Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Howerver these are really freak happenings and not usual.

Exactly. A title about such a post should be:"Planes in IL2 1946 that on one single instance when I fired to them, absorbed abnormal amount of damage."

If you want to state that these planes are generally hard to kill, then a lot more testing with consistently repeated results should be done.


Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Not trying to compare a game with reality, but how many 30 were required to down an IL2/10 in reality?


Not trying to answer, but hey, don't compare IL2 1946 with reality.

Korolov1986
07-19-2008, 11:49 AM
Most of these shots appear to be from extended ranges greater than 400m (correct me if I'm wrong). I've noticed that just about any weapon used beyond 400m loses tons of hit power.

Rammjaeger
07-19-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
Most of these shots appear to be from extended ranges greater than 400m (correct me if I'm wrong).

You are right.

I would say some aircraft types in IL-2 are apparently more resiliant than the others (which is not to say that it is abnormal). P-51D and IL-10 are obvious examples.

No, haven't tried the Shiden in QMB or any other mission. AFAIK the only resiliant Japanese aircraft in the game is the H8K Emily.

With respect to the Mk-108 shells, I believe 2-3 direct hits should be enough to down any enemy aircraft.

Freak happenings come in all shapes. Here is a different one: single 0.50 cal burst disables Fw-190D engine:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wzfQtTrzwDY

Badsight-
07-19-2008, 03:28 PM
i find the I-185 the hardest prop to make go down

its a tank with wings

DKoor
07-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Online I once put over 150 12,7mm bullets from P-51 in IL-10... and he didn't go down. He was crippled but no leaks or smoke...

Never ever experienced something quite like it before or after.
For this amount of bullets even B-29 goes down.

PanzerAce
07-19-2008, 06:04 PM
SB-2 bombers are IMPOSSIBLE to bring down offline. I can't count the number of 109E 4 or 7 cannon and MG loads that I have emptied into one of these things, only to watch it calmly fly back to base, only trailing some fuel, or MAYBE with an engine lightly damaged.

mortoma
07-19-2008, 06:44 PM
Has everybody forgotten how tough the LaGGs are? I guess everybody has!

mortoma
07-19-2008, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
SB-2 bombers are IMPOSSIBLE to bring down offline. I can't count the number of 109E 4 or 7 cannon and MG loads that I have emptied into one of these things, only to watch it calmly fly back to base, only trailing some fuel, or MAYBE with an engine lightly damaged. Sb-2?? I think I remember downing two in a PZl-11 in one sortie once!! I'll have to revisit this bird.

PanzerAce
07-19-2008, 07:24 PM
LaGGs don't seem especially tough to me. They don't stick out to me as tough or weak *shrugs*.

I commend you if you were able to down the SB-2 with that polish cigar. The only way I could see myself doing that is if I use the super low speed of it to just creep up to the SB2 and shoot EVERY round into the engine...

mortoma
07-19-2008, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
LaGGs don't seem especially tough to me. They don't stick out to me as tough or weak *shrugs*.

I commend you if you were able to down the SB-2 with that polish cigar. The only way I could see myself doing that is if I use the super low speed of it to just creep up to the SB2 and shoot EVERY round into the engine... Hmmm, this is strange, we are polar opposite. Because LaGGs are the biggest standout for me on toughness, bar none. And having looked at all the Russian bombers in Hardball's viewer a few minutes ago, I realized the SB-2 is one of the more common bombers I have met. I just started using the mods not long ago and was flying offline campaign in the P-36/Hawk75. I had about 4 missions in a row where we encountered those and I smoked a lot of them and set their wings on fire easily. Have never had trouble with them. Have been flying offline and online since the demo days. For me they flame up better than a Betty bomber.

Here's my 'kills.dat' file from my Finnish campaign in the Hawk. I have flown six missions
in it so far.

10625 TB_3_4M_17
10625 TB_3_4M_17
10630 I_153_M_62
10630 I_153_M_62
10701 SB_2M100A
10701 SB_2M100A
10705 SB_2M100A
10705 SB_2M100A
10710 SB_2M100A
10715 IL_4_DB3M
10715 IL_4_DB3M

Chris0382
07-20-2008, 05:50 AM
Does the rating of the pilot affect how much punishment the plane can take. I quit the WWI campaign because some planes could not be shot down no matter how much damage I gave them.

Maybe if the pilot is set to ace ratings, its more resiliant to punishment.

mortoma
07-21-2008, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Chris0382:
Does the rating of the pilot affect how much punishment the plane can take. I quit the WWI campaign because some planes could not be shot down no matter how much damage I gave them.

Maybe if the pilot is set to ace ratings, its more resiliant to punishment. No, that is not the case at all, the damage model of aircraft in IL2 do not change under varying circumstances. The DM stays exactly the same. With veteran and ace level though, they take more evasive action so therefore may be harder to hit.

gotha_g.IV
07-21-2008, 05:41 PM
Any Il-2 i say. Flying bricks. Slow and low, that's the tempo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

WTE_Galway
07-21-2008, 06:32 PM
P11 for the win.

So slow and small and can split S from about 100m AGL ... awesome.

R_Target
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
N1K2, and most of the Soviet planes.

na85
07-22-2008, 11:03 AM
R Target, ever flown a Yak? Do so and you won't say it's so tough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rockgardenlove
07-23-2008, 01:12 AM
These look pretty far away...to really get it going, for a simple fighter, let the wings fill the crosshair, and then fire. Setting the gun conversion at the same point will top it off. For these shots just being a little bit closer would help.

DKoor
07-23-2008, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
SB-2 bombers are IMPOSSIBLE to bring down offline. I can't count the number of 109E 4 or 7 cannon and MG loads that I have emptied into one of these things, only to watch it calmly fly back to base, only trailing some fuel, or MAYBE with an engine lightly damaged. IMO SB's are the weakest of the weak on VVS side...
With Brewster I often scored 4+ of these when I spot them. Let alone with 109 - usually wipe them all by myself.

And I mean not just down them, I cut their wings, tails, fuselage, fires all around - everything.

LaGG is most resilient of the Soviet fighters and this is perhaps it still has IL-2 v1.00 DM or something.

WTE_Galway
07-23-2008, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
SB-2 bombers are IMPOSSIBLE to bring down offline. I can't count the number of 109E 4 or 7 cannon and MG loads that I have emptied into one of these things, only to watch it calmly fly back to base, only trailing some fuel, or MAYBE with an engine lightly damaged. IMO SB's are the weakest of the weak on VVS side...
With Brewster I often scored 4+ of these when I spot them. Let alone with 109 - usually wipe them all by myself.

And I mean not just down them, I cut their wings, tails, fuselage, fires all around - everything.

LaGG is most resilient of the Soviet fighters and this is perhaps it still has IL-2 v1.00 DM or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have never noticed them to be overly hard. I usually play dgen campaigns that keep me in the Emil as long as possible and can regularly bag two or three in a mission.

MG do not do a lot of damage against a bomber and, as with any bomber, shooting from the straight 6 with anything smaller than 30mm just chews up ammo to no real advantage. My suggestion to the OP is try and get an angle and conserve your cannon until you cannot miss. If you actually see fuel leaks aim for it and set it on fire.

DKoor
07-23-2008, 06:30 PM
They are not "hard", they are just most resilient fighters to down on VVS side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .