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blazer-glory
05-06-2005, 04:46 AM
Can anyone advise me?

AWL_Spinner
05-06-2005, 04:49 AM
Hurricane Mk.1

Great visibility over the nose, wide-track landing gear for stability and good low speed handling.

It's a docile machine at the best of times and is great for practicing basic airmanship.

If you want a track or something I'm sure I could knock one up (there are probably loads out there already though - try the guides and tutorials section of www.airwarfare.com (http://www.airwarfare.com))

JG53Frankyboy
05-06-2005, 04:54 AM
EDIT because wrong game version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BBB_Hyperion
05-06-2005, 04:57 AM
The il2 be sure .)

blazer-glory
05-06-2005, 06:21 AM
I own Il-2 so how do I get hold of a hurricane? Is it part of a add-on pack?

A track would be great if you could knock one up for me Spinner. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG53Frankyboy
05-06-2005, 06:23 AM
you should have say that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
the most hre are playing FB+AEP+PF

so, we are 3 sold versions ahead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

skabbe
05-06-2005, 06:38 AM
HE-111, if you are a bit fast on the levers, very smoth and good visibility

blazer-glory
05-06-2005, 06:39 AM
Ahhhh I see. Which one do you recommend I get first?

JG53Frankyboy
05-06-2005, 06:48 AM
well , you need FB to upgrade to AEP , you need AEP to upgrade to PF.

so, the first you would have to get is FB.

i think there is a gold pack around that includes FB&AEP

OldMan____
05-06-2005, 07:23 AM
FW190 A8 with a big hispano hole in left wing and no ailerons. If you can land that bird! You can land anything!

tsisqua
05-06-2005, 07:49 AM
If you have the original IL2, I suggest practicing with the P-39. I used to practice in it to keep up to snuff on handling my trainer, a low wing as well. You have very good visibility, and the P-39 in the original IL2 actually has a more accurate, (but not impossible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), flight model than what came along later in the series.

Set yourself up a landing strip with the full mission builder, and go at it. If you are flight training, do lots of touch and go's, landing and taking off without stoppping. It will teach you to slow the plane down on landing, which seems to be the biggest problem that new pilots have.

BTW:

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Tsisqua

Feathered_IV
05-06-2005, 08:10 AM
Me163 Komet. If you can land that - you can land anything http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

OldMan____
05-06-2005, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Me163 Komet. If you can land that - you can land anything http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

if you can land that.. you should not be practicing landing!!!

RedNeckerson
05-06-2005, 08:22 AM
I recommend practicing with the FW190A-8.

It has a high wingloading and a relatively fast landing speed, making it one of the most challenging fighters to land.

Get used to lowering the prop pitch on approach, learn when to drop flaps, how to make a runway approach aligned properly etc. etc.

When you learn to bring the 190 in for a landing and do it well, planes like the Spitfire will seem like a joke to land.

(Lesson being, if you can land the FW190 well, all other fighters are pretty easy)

ImpStarDuece
05-06-2005, 08:25 AM
I belly-landed a P-47 with 20mm holes in the wings, no alierons and no rudder a couple of nights ago. Got into a fight at 7000m with a HF Spitfire, went up to 9000m, made a mistake, got punished, then spiraled it down to the deck, nosed over the front lines and put it down gently as you please in a snow bank. Best landing I have ever done in 3 years in the game, probably the best bit of flying as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you have the original IL2 the IL2 itself is a very good plane to learn landing on.

Genearlly I come in quite fast (250kph +) under combat or take off flaps, use a VERY gentle approach angle and a low throttle setting (15-20%), level out just before the start of the runway (say 100-200m before), drop landing flaps and cut the throttle, point the gunsight at the end of the runway and let it glide in.

This usually gives me a very smooth two point (front wheels on a taildragger) landing but quite a long landing run as I usually touch down at 170-190 kph. Make sure that you dont come in too steep or too fast. 3 point landings are much harder, much slower and generally require more skill and patience to do, but they look great!

blazer-glory
05-06-2005, 08:46 AM
Mmmmm. I think maybe Im dropping flaps too early. I drop them as soon as I start an approach, which could be miles from the air strip.

AWL_Spinner
05-06-2005, 09:44 AM
Posted a reply to this and the forum broke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Basically, you can drop your flaps as early as you like if you're going slow enough and you watch your airspeed doesn't bleed off to the point of endangering a stall. As you get better at energy management this point can get closer and closer to the runway, but for now long approaches are probably good for you.

You should be watching your airspeed all the way down. A ballpark for most fighters that seems to work for me, approach at about 110-120 knots and over the fence at no less than 90.

Flaps on most aircraft, but not all, will give you a lower nose angle on approach for a given airspeed which gives you a better view of the runway.

If I can remember how the original IL2 works, and I have time, I'll do you a track later.

Last time I tried the original I couldn't get TrackIR to work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

AWL_Spinner
05-06-2005, 09:55 AM
Ah, there are some original IL2 landing tracks on airwarfare.com.

Follow this link : Training Tracks (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2/il2_tracks.htm) and download the "Landing LAGG3" and "Landing FW190" training tracks by Michapma.

These are for version 1.2 which was the last patch for the original IL2. You can also find the IL2 patches and lots of other beginner's goodies on airwarfare.com, here (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2/il2_main.htm).

Let us know how you get on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BuzzU
05-06-2005, 10:16 AM
This is a no brainer. Practice with an early IL2.Then move on to a La5FN. After that maybe a 109. Do the FW190 last.

blazer-glory
05-06-2005, 10:32 AM
Actually Ive manage to land,in fields, a Jak and a Spitfire looking plane(??),minus the wings. My biggest mistake was,excuse the lack of technical terms,confusing foward speed and rate of discent. I was slowly down thinking it would bring me in more softly when in fact it was making things worse and I was losing control. Thanks for the replies! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JoachimvMayern
05-06-2005, 12:21 PM
On a similiar note, what aircraft in FB do you guys consider the harder ones for a beginner to land with?

To me, it would have to be the fw190 series and the hardest, the me262.

blazer-glory
05-06-2005, 02:31 PM
Thing is though, I nevered moved my flaps once. Is it ok to land with your flaps not down?

FI-Aflak
05-06-2005, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by OldMan____:
FW190 A8 with a big hispano hole in left wing and no ailerons. If you can land that bird! You can land anything!

There is nothing as exciting as trying to dirt a heavily damaged bird without hurting it more.

I've landed 3 or 4 Jug's missing elevator control. One didn't have airelons, neither. just me and my rudder and my throttle. That was fun. Got her down in one peice but she was a bit crooked so we rolled of the runway and parked in town.

The 190 does like to roll with holes in the wing, thats the truth, landing one with a hole is tough enough, don't think I've tried one with a hole and bum airelons.



challenging planes to land . . .

262 is tough, it gets sluggish at low speed and the engines won't spool fast enough to give you more than one chance. He-162 and P-80 and Go-229 for the same reason. Gotha handle well at low speed, though. try dirting a fully loaded (1500 lbs of bombs) P-47 sometime, not too hard but you gotta be careful cause that plane will drop a wing when loaded so heavy and if that happens you die. FW also tricky, very similiar to P-47 but it rolls more so its harder to keep level.

Me-109 is always a pain, just cause the wheels are so close together. Spits have the same thing but they have warm, fuzzy low speed handling compared to the 109. the Komet is a pain, Me-163. doesn't like going slow.

NorrisMcWhirter
05-07-2005, 01:49 AM
Hi,

I find the 190 very easy to land. Not as easy as the 109 or the Zero but it's very stable & doesn't bounce like a demented trampoline (P38).

I'd suggest not trying the La5/La7/late Yaks as these have a tendancy to nose over even if using cadence braking (more so than the LW planes, for sure).

Ta,
Norris

han freak solo
05-07-2005, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by JoachimvMayern:
On a similiar note, what aircraft in FB do you guys consider the harder ones for a beginner to land with?

To me, it would have to be the fw190 series and the hardest, the me262.

Feathered_IV said:

"Me163 Komet. If you can land that - you can land anything."

I agree with Feathered_IV. Hardest one to land in my opinion. It's like rolling dice to me, with a 10% chance of winning. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

gorillasika
05-07-2005, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by OldMan____:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Me163 Komet. If you can land that - you can land anything http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

if you can land that.. you should not be practicing landing!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The trick with Komet is sliding down fast enough. When it touches the ground, it slows down fairly fast and doesn't need that long landing strip at all. If you come down too slow, you lose control of the plane.

As for the original question, I would suggest practising with Il-2 (the plane). It's so soft to land that a baby wouldn't wake up in the back seat.

blazer-glory
05-07-2005, 09:31 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Ok,thanks Gorillasika.

mango42
05-08-2005, 02:50 AM
Wotcha, blazer-glory.
You ask which plane but how about starting from the beginning and concentrate on good approach. I may sound like a pro so far but I only sussed good landings a few weeks ago - didn't want to do anything else in this incredible sim until I could get a kite up and down safely.

I came on here and asked - the best answer I got was from a guy called Mortoma + some other great replies.

If you follow this thread, as a newbie, I can assure you will be landing no probs within a week:-
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=6811017392&r=6811017392#6811017392

Good luck. Oh, plane? Try a J8a Gladiator biplane. Gives you plenty of time and lift - easy to land on a road too ;-) Snag is everything else will seem hairy in comparison...

My most satisfying landing so far has been in a Hurricane Mk1 with one wheel shot off...
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One other thing, I thought I would start slow just with the original IL2 but soon realised the full FB+AEP is the way to go for variety.