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Rammjaeger
01-08-2008, 04:07 PM
I wonder, is it true that left-handed people have generally never been allowed to become fighter pilots in any air force? I heard this mentioned in a TV program, sounds reasonable to me.

berg417448
01-08-2008, 04:15 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1794923.htm

Rammjaeger
01-08-2008, 04:18 PM
Nice article (although I should mentioned that I've always played this game with the right hand even though I'm left-handed myself).

I think this supposed ban on left-handed pilots can be attributed to the fact that most aircraft types have the important switches, the throttle etc. positioned on the left side of the cockpit, making handling for a would-be left-handed pilot difficult (since he would probably be holding the stick with his left hand).

waffen-79
01-08-2008, 04:51 PM
I'm left handed, for writting and precision also day to day chores, casual stuff.

but regarding, work with pc's, driving, gaming with pads or joysticks, I use the RIGHT hand, never had a problem with that

julian265
01-08-2008, 05:23 PM
Sounds wrong to me. Handling throttles and joysticks can be trained for either hand.

I became reasonably proficient at using an excavator in 2 hours the other day. The arm, bucket and cab swing are controlled with two joysticks - one in each hand, and require coordinated operation of the four axes. I've never used an excavator before, and it wasn't hard to pick up at all.

The military would be more fussed about the other qualities of the candidate, before their dominant hand.

Also, the pilot's seat of any aircraft with parallel seating puts the stick (column) in your left hand, and throttles in the right. Since all pilots start with this layout in their two or four seat trainers, I don't see how the military could insist on right handers, since they'll have to swap hands when they finally get into a real fighter anyway.

DogA300
01-08-2008, 10:28 PM
Rammjeager,

I am a current U.S. Air Force instructor pilot and a lefty and can state with authority that the "handedness" of a person has absolutely no bearing on their assignment of an airplane. The assignment that a person gets out of pilot training is solely based on their performance during pilot training. In fact, I recall hearing several years ago that the percentage of pilots who are lefty was much higher than than the percentage of lefty's in the general population! I dunno, maybe it has to do with that right-brained thing (spatial relationships, etc...). I have flown both stick and yoke type equipped aircraft from the left and right seats and it makes absolutely no difference.

KIMURA
01-09-2008, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
I'm left handed, for writting and precision also day to day chores, casual stuff.

but regarding, work with pc's, driving, gaming with pads or joysticks, I use the RIGHT hand, never had a problem with that

same with me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DEY_RAVEN_UK
01-09-2008, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
I'm left handed, for writting and precision also day to day chores, casual stuff.

but regarding, work with pc's, driving, gaming with pads or joysticks, I use the RIGHT hand, never had a problem with that

Same here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ViktorViktor
01-09-2008, 03:26 AM
Are there any known left-handed Aces, then ?

Whirlin_merlin
01-09-2008, 05:01 AM
Watch it you righties we lefties are the next phase of human evolution.
We will seduce your women and replace your genes!

JG4_Helofly
01-09-2008, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
I'm left handed, for writting and precision also day to day chores, casual stuff.

but regarding, work with pc's, driving, gaming with pads or joysticks, I use the RIGHT hand, never had a problem with that

Same situation for me, but the other way around. I am right handed, but I use the mouse with my left hand. At the beginning it's difficult, but after some time it's almost impossible to swith back to the right hand for mouse controle.
It's a question of training IMO.

SeaFireLIV
01-09-2008, 05:27 AM
I cannot be absolutely sure, but I think there`s always been pressure on Left handed people to be right handed and only relatively recently has it now been seen as ok.

I remember when I was a child,my brother was left-handed and my father was always trying to make him right-handed. I got the impression at that age that there was something `wrong` with being left-handed. But of course why should being left-handed be wrong, except for the fact that everything is mostly right-hand orientated and provides a small disadvantage for the left-hander.

I bet there were few left-handed fighter pilots and those that were had to learn to work right-handed.

Kauzio
01-09-2008, 06:07 AM
Whirlin_merlin is right.

Us lefties are the next phase of human evolution!

Being left handed is great, because basically you can use either hand. I suppose this is because your left hand is natural at doing things, but your right hand is very well trained as well because of those basta*d righties, making everything fit in the right hand only!

I've read about numerous studies that came to the conclusion that left handed people are better at lots of tasks because of faster communication between the hemispheres of the brain. As well as some other stuff.

When playing sports like soccer, I can use whichever feet I choose, whilst my right footed friends struggle immensely to kick with their left feet.

So all in all, being a lefty is great, especially in flight sims where you can use the stick in your dominant left hand, and the mouse on your mouse hand (I assume the vast majority of lefties use the mouse in their right hand).

Lefties, we are in an elite 10% of the population http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

general_kalle
01-09-2008, 07:04 AM
i am Left handed (and left legged) for almost anything except using a mouse and a joystik
for some reason i have my right on on the stick and my left on the throttle.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-09-2008, 07:59 AM
Southpaws unite!

Got me one of these:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/lefty-hotas.jpg

I'm never going to be an Air Force pilot and don't feel compelled to conform. I'd rather have fun.

Oh, and here's another relevant link:
http://www.anythingleft-handed.co.uk/acatalog/index.htm...XLlo8CFQdEFQodazx8ew (http://www.anythingleft-handed.co.uk/acatalog/index.html?source=googleaw&kw=left_handed_stuff&gclid=CNrotoXLlo8CFQdEFQodazx8ew)

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x6BL_Brando
01-09-2008, 08:41 AM
I'm an enforced lefty due to losing my right arm (and I have an adapted fighterstick as above) but I was also born left-handed. At prep-school in the Fifties I was made to sit on my left hand and use my right hand for writing. It's since been proved that this interference has a negative effect on the brain - but back then the condition was seen as an aberration. Religious superstition had a lot to do with it, and it feels odd to be classified as sinister while all the right-handers are seen as dexterous! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In my chosen trade - I was a bricklayer - it all meant nothing really. I held the brick in my left hand and the trowel in my right - but who's to say whether laying the mortar or placing the brick is the most important action in building a wall? I worked for many years with a genuine southpaw and we made a good team. There were jobs he did more easily than I could and vice versa.

In sport it was a different story. No restrictions like the classroom example. I batted as a left-hander quite successfully, and I was a keen shot with a converted MkIV Lee-Enfield with a left-hand bolt-action. One effect of the enforcement of right-handedness was a lifelong inability to close my left eyelid independently. I can wink my right eye though, and the butt nestled into my left shoulder just fine.

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BSS_AIJO
01-09-2008, 09:48 AM
hmm

I am a lefty. Back when I bought the x52 I made the switch from flying left handed to flying right handed. Now, I don't think I could go back.

As for being left handed I have always seen it as an advantage over other folks. Granted, I have become increasingly ambidextrous over the years. Still there are some left handed only things for me. Like brushing my teeth, in fact anything involving my hands near my face is a lefty only thing. Using tools like hammers, saws, scissors, and stuff is either hand whichever is more convenient. Then there is the range. Handguns I shoot either way, usually I warm up on the left hand then shoot for a while right handed and finally finish off left. It tends to amaze the n00bs when they cannot even shoot straight with their right hand to see me switching halfway through a magazine and still leaving tight groups. On the rifle range I stick to shooting right handed.

Back in grade school I learned fast during the fights on the playground that the others very often would not see it coming from the left. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Side dominance has been found in the animal kingdom as well. Even there when lefty's are sufficiently rare they have an upper hand.


BSS_AIJO

Rjel
01-09-2008, 09:53 AM
I can't find it right now, but there was a video floating around the net a few months ago of a young baseball pitcher who could throw equally well with either arm. He looked very natural doing it. People like that are the exception to the rule. I've never felt comfortable flying sims with my right hand although I can do day to day tasks ok. I just never felt I had the fine "touch" I have with my dominate left hand.

DEY_RAVEN_UK
01-09-2008, 11:08 AM
The only problem being a lefty is everyone at work thinks i hold my pen very strange. Also i have to take paperwork out of a folder to write on it...bloody pain in the arse then put it back in the binder. You know the type..the ones you have to unclip then put the paper with the holes back in. They need to invent one for the leftys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

roybaty
01-09-2008, 11:52 AM
I thought most lefties are color blind to, the ones I know are.

Rjel
01-09-2008, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by roybaty:
I thought most lefties are color blind to, the ones I know are.

Yes, that's true until you sprinkle pixie dust on us. Then we can do all sorts of normal things right handers can do. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

x6BL_Brando
01-09-2008, 12:24 PM
Oddly, all the left-handed people I know aren't colour-blind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
(my wife and her two sisters; my building patrner, several other close friends, myself)

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berg417448
01-09-2008, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by roybaty:
I thought most lefties are color blind to, the ones I know are.

I'm left handed and know a lot of lefties. Never heard of any of them being color blind.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-09-2008, 01:07 PM
Funny (only sort of) that many people still view southpaws as oddities. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Messaschnitzel
01-09-2008, 01:14 PM
I am left handed. I don't know if this would be considered color blind or not, but I cannot distinguish medium to dark reds and blues when used together such as a red background with blue lettering, or vice versa.

When I was a kid, I had a spiral notebook that I thought was solid red. One of my schoolmates commented on who the silouetted football player on the cover was supposed to be. He didn't believe that I couldn't see the blue guy catching the football on the cover. Try as I might, I thought that I could sort of see some blue, but it could've been my imagination.

This was always a source of consternation when buying notebooks and such from then on. I would be embarrassed if I ever bought one that had "Barbie, Ken, and Friends" on the cover. I'd never hear the end of it, so I would do the safe thing and buy notebooks in a different color that I could definitely see what was on the cover.

I shoot a rifle or bow right handed, pistol with either hand, use a hammer or saw either hand, and can lead with either hand when boxing. I am spastic when attempting to write, or brush my teeth right handed. There is no advantage to being right or left handed when using machine tools such as a mill or lathe. I have to use micrometers, slide calipers, and height gauges right handed because they are made for right handed use.

roybaty
01-09-2008, 01:54 PM
I meant no offense man, I know your kind have been oppressed for so long.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by roybaty:
I thought most lefties are color blind to, the ones I know are.

Yes, that's true until you sprinkle pixie dust on us. Then we can do all sorts of normal things right handers can do. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whirlin_merlin
01-09-2008, 01:56 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by roybaty:
I meant no offense man, I know your kind have been oppressed for so long.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


I get most upset that they put the handles on the wrong side of mugs.

Messaschnitzel
01-09-2008, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:

I get most upset that they put the handles on the wrong side of mugs.

I can deal with that. I grip the body of the mug with my left hand and dont use the "right handed only" handle. Unfortunately, I can't read the cartoon with the witty saying, because it is usually located on the other side of the mug.

What I absolutely detest is the fact that screwdrivers, hammers, and wrenches are all made for right handed use only!

roybaty
01-09-2008, 02:10 PM
http://www.thelefthand.com/

Kauzio
01-09-2008, 09:10 PM
Don't try and appease us roybaty!

By accusing all left handed people of being colour blind, you have sworn yourself to a horrible death. You will be hunted down by us lefties and crucified!

:P

On a serious note
1) There are no links between handedness and colour blindness that I know of
2) Some people have noted a link between neurological disorders, and left handedness (e.g. those with epilepisy, autism, Down's, etc are more likely to be left handed). See Geschwind's Theory (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=1946868&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google)
3) Most lefties are pretty great at stuff because of their general ambidexterity

So there we go, being left-handed is better than being right-handed in my opinion, just because you're much more likely to be ambidextrous.

Left hand pride kicking in a bit here.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ImMoreBetter
01-09-2008, 10:55 PM
Being left handed made me hate a wide variety of languages.

I can't write from left to right without getting graphite all over my hand.

buzzsaw1939
01-09-2008, 11:31 PM
I always thought Skill saws were made for leftys just to get even! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

cawimmer430
01-10-2008, 03:57 AM
There was a scientific study a few years ago that stated that left-handed people tend to die on average 5 years earlier than right-handed people. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Glad I am a righty. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

ViktorViktor
01-10-2008, 04:43 AM
Yes, there is statistical evidence that left-handers have a slightly lower life-span than right-handers. And that left-handers are slightly more prone to accidents (which probably has something to do with the lower life-span).

My biggest pains in life (at the moment) as a result of being left-handed are the stains I get on my hand when writing with a lead pencil and the hassle of trying to eat while wearing a microphone headset. My headset has the mic arm extending from the left earphone up to my mouth. So whenever I try to eat or drink something with the headphone-set on my head, I usually end up hitting the mic with the food on its way into my mouth. A good reason not to use TS ?

P.S. - while left-handed men are a decided minority, there are even less women who are left-handed. I hear that they are a rarity.

Whirlin_merlin
01-10-2008, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by cawimmer430:
There was a scientific study a few years ago that stated that left-handed people tend to die on average 5 years earlier than right-handed people. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


That 'cos we get worn out seducing your women folk and making the whomp-whomp with them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Whirlin_merlin
01-10-2008, 05:12 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
Yes, there is statistical evidence that left-handers have a slightly lower life-span than right-handers. And that left-handers are slightly more prone to accidents (which probably has something to do with the lower life-span).
QUOTE]

Which could well be due to living in a world designed for righties.

Come on brothers and sisters let us rise up in revolt and throw off the oppressors.
Only be careful where you point that thing you clumsey clutz.

Kauzio
01-10-2008, 06:36 AM
Left handed people aren't clumsy!

Also the claim that the lifespan of left handed people is lower has been repeatedly discredited. It's not true.

As for the writing problem, I never understood this. I am left handed and have never ever had a problem with my hand hitting the ink. Are you writing like a ******?

Turn the paper about 45 degrees clockwise. Your elbow can form a pivot moving your hand horizontally across the page.

Some left handed people leave the paper at the same orientation as right handed people, and try to write from above the line of text. This is just ******ed!

This is the stupid way to write left handed:
http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Left_hand_writers_images/wRick%20Propas%20left%20hand%20writing.JPG

This is the proper way to write left handed:
http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Left_hand_writers_images/wMichael%20McCarthy%20left-hand%20writing.JPG

Why on earth anyone would use the first method is beyond me.

x6BL_Brando
01-10-2008, 06:58 AM
Because both myself and my wife are southpaws we have rebuilt our apartment to go with that orientation. Doors to rooms and appliances - freezer, fridge, washing machines etc, have all been hung off left-side hinges. Side hung windows are all reversed and we have a full range of left-handed kitchen gadgets to make life easier and more 'normal'. We get a kick out of watching right-handers struggling to navigate their way around http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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DEY_RAVEN_UK
01-10-2008, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Kauzio:
Left handed people aren't clumsy!

Also the claim that the lifespan of left handed people is lower has been repeatedly discredited. It's not true.

As for the writing problem, I never understood this. I am left handed and have never ever had a problem with my hand hitting the ink. Are you writing like a ******?

Turn the paper about 45 degrees clockwise. Your elbow can form a pivot moving your hand horizontally across the page.

Some left handed people leave the paper at the same orientation as right handed people, and try to write from above the line of text. This is just ******ed!

This is the stupid way to write left handed:
http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Left_hand_writers_images/wRick%20Propas%20left%20hand%20writing.JPG

This is the proper way to write left handed:
http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Left_hand_writers_images/wMichael%20McCarthy%20left-hand%20writing.JPG

Why on earth anyone would use the first method is beyond me.


Hmmm i write like a ******...ffs you want to see me using a foutain pen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Korolov1986
01-10-2008, 08:31 AM
I refuse to believe that your capabilities are limited depending on which hand you use to jerk off with.

Kauzio
01-10-2008, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by DEY_RAVEN_UK:
Hmmm i write like a ******...ffs you want to see me using a foutain pen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Haha oh dear! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Never too late to change. Just tilt the paper the right way and position your hand much more comfortably http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Brando, I never even realized doors and such were right-handed. Doesn't it depend on which side of the door you are? On one side, the handle is on the left, on the other it's on the right?