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rnzoli
12-26-2006, 02:56 PM
Quick Mission Builder parameters:
- Your plane: 1 average Mig9 FS with default weapon loadout
- Enemy plane: 4 <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">ACE</span> B-29s with default weapon loadout
- Map: Crimea, Altitude: 7500 m
- Situation: None, Target: None, Defence: None
- Difficulty: Normal + icons, or more strict than that.

Objective:
Destroy all 4 B-29s and then successfully land at the nearest airfield.<form action="http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums" method="POST" name="VOTE">

rnzoli
12-26-2006, 02:56 PM
Quick Mission Builder parameters:
- Your plane: 1 average Mig9 FS with default weapon loadout
- Enemy plane: 4 <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">ACE</span> B-29s with default weapon loadout
- Map: Crimea, Altitude: 7500 m
- Situation: None, Target: None, Defence: None
- Difficulty: Normal + icons, or more strict than that.

Objective:
Destroy all 4 B-29s and then successfully land at the nearest airfield.<form action="http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums" method="POST" name="VOTE">

papotex
12-26-2006, 03:04 PM
it takes me 5 to 10 minutes

they should actually fix the UFO ai so we can use the QMB to make dog fighting sesions if only to compair diferent tipes of aircraft performances in realistic manner.

some day i hope...

Jaws2002
12-26-2006, 08:48 PM
About three four days...



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JG4_Helofly
12-26-2006, 09:16 PM
It's impossible, because you loose one engine after the first fire burst.

TAW_Oilburner
12-26-2006, 09:17 PM
You need to add the B29 FTW option. Then mark me down for that one...

Freelancer-1
12-26-2006, 10:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TAW_Oilburner:
You need to add the B29 FTW option. Then mark me down for that one... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tigertalon
12-27-2006, 12:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
It's impossible, because you loose one engine after the first fire burst. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only if you use NS-37.

Above 3k you are limited to only two 23mm with 80 rounds... That may prove VERY few for taking 4 B-29s... will give it a try later.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
12-27-2006, 12:42 AM
I find that it doesn't really work on the Quick Mission. To attack bombers you need to take you time and get into position, with lots of speed. This takes more time with a jet (esp with the QMB.)

Because this is the QMB, you run out of time and the B-29's start to descend for a landing.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JtD
12-27-2006, 01:05 AM
You can take out one B-29 in the initial head on. You can take out the second in another head on when the bombers turn. Or you use a side attack. For the remaining two you take your chances and just blow them to hell from close up. Race for the base. Doable in 10 minutes. Unless rnzoli insists on 100% fuel for the MiG. I can barely keep my alt with that.

rnzoli
12-27-2006, 03:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Unless rnzoli insists on 100% fuel for the MiG. I can barely keep my alt with that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't insist on it, this setting is up to you. Everything you wrote is very true. Due to the relatively heavy Mig, I could not get enough speed advantage to do classic B&Z attacks, against the deadly accurate "radar-guided" gunners, firing madly from every position.

So what's left: head-ons, doing opposite circles to the B-29s. When damaged, the B-29s start to lose height, and the big gun kicks in. With this tactic, I was able to do the mission in 29 minutes. Not particularly good, but not bad either. The ugly thing is that if you rush this, it's a sure recipe for getting killed. I got some fuel leak on a high-6 approach though, otherwise the Mig remained nicely flyable.

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Sordid_Sinister
12-27-2006, 09:29 AM
I bet on the bombers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JtD
12-27-2006, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sordid_Sinister:
I bet on the bombers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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reisen52
12-27-2006, 11:48 AM
Interesting how in the game the Mig9 is phenomenally superior against the B-29 then the MIG-15 was in real life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

rnzoli
12-27-2006, 01:19 PM
Say that only after completing the mission under 10 minutes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JtD
12-27-2006, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by reisen52:
Interesting how in the game the Mig9 is phenomenally superior against the B-29 then the MIG-15 was in real life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it's more like that the QMB beats Korea by a large margin, not that the MiG-9 beats the MiG-15.

Viper2005_
12-28-2006, 04:16 AM
I had a play with this. It all comes down to the first pass.

If you line up just right you can kill 2 of the B-29s. In fact I PK'd one, and did the other sufficient damage that it crashed a few minutes later.

Then it's just a matter of trying to set up the geometry for a repeat performance on the other two.

At which point I got bored flying around in circles; those pesky B-29s kept turning as I set my passes up, so that quite often I ended up attacking on their beam rather than head on. It's very hard to make effective beam attacks due to all the ironmongery in the cockpit...

I'm quite certain that if you were to devote a day to it you could record a lucky run where they all die in 5-10 minutes.

But personally I can't be bothered!

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majnos64
12-29-2006, 12:26 PM
5 seconds. I have track of killing 4 TB-3 in 262 in one pass. I can kill 4 B-29 no problem but i'm not sure Mig-9FS has my favourite guns Me-262 can do that be sure. It will be in on youtube and movie forums in few weeks/months but now i dont have time to make a film of ithttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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rnzoli
12-30-2006, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">5 seconds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That may be the time spent for reading the mission objective http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Landing is included, so you have to limit the damage to your plane.

If you are able to do this mission under 5 minutes and have the track for it, PM me, I can receive your track in e-mail and post it somewhere immediately. No need to make a movie out of it for this purpose, as we can learn from a simple track file better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DKoor
12-30-2006, 10:35 AM
Under 5 mins is out of question unless you get 3 bombers head on and blast 4th away in first pass when you catch him. Even that is questionable since I don't know if it is even possible to catch the sucker under 5mins.
So no wonder if those paper aces cannot show a track.

It is however possible to destroy them in 5-10mins limit, if you do everything perfectly and got some luck 'cos sometimes you can pump decent portion of lead into B-29 and still not down it.

As you can see from my track I've missed several passes and my bombers still all received mortal damage in around 10mins. Confirmed time of death of all bombers on track is 10:51. Realistic settings, no BS n00b time deceleration, v4.071. So you probably wont get "out of sync" on my track.
With time decceleration you can easily kill all under 10mins; with everything 'realistic' it is very hard but doable.

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DKoor
12-30-2006, 07:43 PM
Just to verify my words; mission completed in 9:40mins (with landing). Fighter heavy crippled but this is gung-ho attack mission anyway.
http://rapidshare.com/files/9601169/DKoorMiG9FS-vs-4xB29-ace50-4071-3.zip.html
d/l track

I think this is reasonable time in which the mission can be completed... those dam Oleg gunners do not forgive.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I do not believe that finishing mission under 5mins is possible, even if the pilot get three B-29s head on catch up 4th and blast him away (and that is extremely unlikely) he still wouldn't have time to land in 5min timeframe.
Yes settings are still "realistic", no lame BS time deceleration, all aircraft on 50% fuel.

Pardon me for askin you rnzoli, but what is the purpose of your question? Do you plan to make some "cold war" mission scenario or something (like stop B-29s before they release nukes or something)?

If that is so I would set time required for completion on 15-20mins as that is perhaps most suitable. It would still be insanely hard...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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