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Airmail109
03-30-2008, 08:30 AM
Just boosted my monitors refresh rate to 70hz with vsync enabled my fps is now averaging 70fps and wow....the entire game feels faster and more fluid my gunnery has got loads better and I can ride the stalls more easily.

Strange http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Skoshi Tiger
03-30-2008, 08:46 AM
Half your luck! I'm trying to get by with an old computer (Athlon 2400+, 7600GS graphics) and only getting about 14-25!

I'm trying to convince my wife that the children don't need to eat every day so I can upgrade!

Airmail109
03-30-2008, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
Half your luck! I'm trying to get by with an old computer (Athlon 2400+, 7600GS graphics) and only getting about 14-25!

I'm trying to convince my wife that the children don't need to eat every day so I can upgrade!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

get a Geforce 9600 if you want a really good upgrade but need to save some cash

or check out ebay

R_Target
03-30-2008, 09:02 AM
85hz is even better. CRT FTW! They'll have to pry my 21" LaCie Electron Blue IV from my cold dead hands..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Airmail109
03-30-2008, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:
85hz is even better. CRT FTW! They'll have to pry my 21" LaCie Electron Blue IV from my cold dead hands..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

CRT makes me feel odd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Xiolablu3
03-30-2008, 10:07 AM
My old CRT blew a fuse and lost one colour just last week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I now have a TFT and its really not very clear compared to my older packard bell CRT, also the speakers in my CRT were fantastic, I have to use seperate speakers with my TFT.

I miss my CRT, sniff.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

R_Target
03-30-2008, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
85hz is even better. CRT FTW! They'll have to pry my 21" LaCie Electron Blue IV from my cold dead hands..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

CRT makes me feel odd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They make me feel odd when I have to pick them up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MEGILE
03-30-2008, 12:03 PM
My 19inch CRT was a big fudder mucker, 21 must be a barsteward.

RAF_OldBuzzard
03-30-2008, 04:31 PM
21"...nah...thats a little guy...

If you have an SGI/Sony FW900 like mine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ElAurens
03-30-2008, 06:24 PM
My 19" Viewsonic G90f runs at 85hz., is bright and sharp, and renders colors beautifully.

No way I'm going to an LCD.

mortoma
03-30-2008, 06:46 PM
Nothing wrong with a good CRT, except when it's time to move!! I have moved several times in the last 3 years and had to lug a heavy CRT around each time. Other than that, I'm happy with it. It's an old 17" NEC MultiSnyc FE700 from circa 2000 and it's taken a lot of punishment that would ruin a LCD. So the weight and bulk may have been worth it?? Maybe.......

SeaFireLIV
03-30-2008, 06:50 PM
I`m very happy with my 22inch CRT. They`re so cheap too, thanks to people who just must have the latest LCD.

I rememeber when I used to spend months trying to push my frame rate from 20 fps to a few more than 20! Funny, it took 3 upgrades, XP and learning about PCs before I finally got IL2 smooth with maximum planes with flak and over cities. I don`t even know what my frame rate is now,but last it was 60.

p.s. don`t try carrying a 22inch moniter unless you`re brave, and strong... it`s not easy....

Patriot_Act
03-30-2008, 08:59 PM
Me thinks Airmail101 means he changed his refresh rate from 60Hz to 70Hz.

Yes, it makes a big difference.

As to monitors, the 24" Samsung 245BW is a wide screed
LCD 1920x1200 for about $400. US locally.

I have one and I love it.

P.A.

Feathered_IV
03-30-2008, 09:43 PM
My LCD runs clamped at 60. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Is there any way to boost the refresh rate btw?

zardozid
03-30-2008, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
Half your luck! I'm trying to get by with an old computer (Athlon 2400+, 7600GS graphics) and only getting about 14-25!

I'm trying to convince my wife that the children don't need to eat every day so I can upgrade!


can you upgrade your cpu? what is that, an 436 "A socket"? is their a stronger cpu?

JOHNRAMBO84
03-30-2008, 11:51 PM
try a 22'zeta 4 crt.i almost needed a tractor beam to get it up the stairs!

Capt.LoneRanger
03-31-2008, 01:56 AM
I got an old 19" I got several years ago for less than 100 bucks. In many regards it's far superior to my Samsung 930BF.

DKoor
03-31-2008, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
Half your luck! I'm trying to get by with an old computer (Athlon 2400+, 7600GS graphics) and only getting about 14-25!

I'm trying to convince my wife that the children don't need to eat every day so I can upgrade! If you put enough propaganda into it (which shouldn't be so much work considering how they're already bombarded with various "be thin - be beautiful" idiotic brainwashing commercials on TV), wife may even buy it, but children may be the problem tho. Especially male children.

Wurkeri
03-31-2008, 02:28 AM
I can feel the difference between 60Hz and 75Hz refresh rate in my eyes with a CRT monitor; I can see the flickering at 60Hz if I look the other objects beside the monitor but not at 75Hz. But when playing the game I can't really feel the difference between 60 and 70 fps, perhaps 70fps would make me a bit happier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

flyingloon
03-31-2008, 02:50 AM
i spent a lot of time last year looking for a good, large CRT. well worth it IMO - refresh rate, cost to size, no native resolution to hinder performance. cost me a fraction of what a similar performing and sized flatscreen would have done.

Skoshi Tiger
03-31-2008, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by zardozid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
Half your luck! I'm trying to get by with an old computer (Athlon 2400+, 7600GS graphics) and only getting about 14-25!

I'm trying to convince my wife that the children don't need to eat every day so I can upgrade!


can you upgrade your cpu? what is that, an 436 "A socket"? is their a stronger cpu? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My oldest daughters in the final year of high school, so I'm trying to make the case that she needs a faster computer to do her school stuff! (Photoshop, Word etc)!

We've got this hand me down system, so the current computer will go to her, her one (1GH pentium) will go down to the second oldest, and her 500Mhz will go into the living room for the little ones to run their Sesame St program.

PLEASE ! DO NOT tell my wife I could bung a slightly faster CPU in it and it would last me till Bob comes out!!!!!

By the time I get to save up enough for an upgrade, some of the newer technologies will become main stream.



Originally posted by DKoor:
If you put enough propaganda into it (which shouldn't be so much work considering how they're already bombarded with various "be thin - be beautiful" idiotic brainwashing commercials on TV), wife may even buy it, but children may be the problem tho. Especially male children.


I was considering ....

"Everything I do is for the Kids! Honest. Is my my bean diet working for everyone?"

How about a different approach....

"With out a ultra high speed, overclocked watercooled computer for them to access their myspace and itunes they'll be ostracized by their peers and be labeled technologically disadvantaged!"

or maybe

"With out a modern computer in the house none of the children will go to college and will work at Macdonalds for the rest of their lives!"

It's funny, i've been going through the maths for an upgrade (numerically modeled in excel)! So far i can't bring myself to put any money into a LCD monitor! I always seam to keep my CRT and put the money into Graphics Card/MBoard/CPU/RAM!

WizardKing78
03-31-2008, 04:27 AM
The game runs just fine for me on my ye-olde, antiquated PC; 2002 vintage. It's a real Charlie Chaplain job.

Once it sputters into life in a cloud of smoke, cogs and brass springs, I get around 50fps on the ground and an average of 100 once in the clouds.

Not bad for 1GB RAM, athlon 2400+ and a radeon 9600. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
03-31-2008, 04:29 AM
Buy the upgrades, put them in your old case. Make a close a copy as you can of your windows install, lock your kids from fiddling with system settings and no one will ever be the wiser.

WizardKing78
03-31-2008, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Buy the upgrades, put them in your old case. Make a close a copy as you can of your windows install, lock your kids from fiddling with system settings and no one will ever be the wiser.
...And more importantly, don't ever let your wife tell you what you can and can't do.

Too many men do that these days.

rnzoli
03-31-2008, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by WizardKing78:
...And more importantly, don't ever let your wife tell you what you can and can't do.

Too many men do that these days. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Of course, because they are the ones that reproduce... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Skoshi Tiger
03-31-2008, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by WizardKing78:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
Buy the upgrades, put them in your old case. Make a close a copy as you can of your windows install, lock your kids from fiddling with system settings and no one will ever be the wiser.
...And more importantly, don't ever let your wife tell you what you can and can't do.

Too many men do that these days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey! Every caring man knows that to make a sucessful marrage its a case of give and take.

We GIVE and the Woman TAKES http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

http://members.upnaway.com/~tiger/tmp3C.JPG

Skoshi Tiger
03-31-2008, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by WizardKing78:
The game runs just fine for me on my ye-olde, antiquated PC; 2002 vintage. It's a real Charlie Chaplain job.

Once it sputters into life in a cloud of smoke, cogs and brass springs, I get around 50fps on the ground and an average of 100 once in the clouds.

Not bad for 1GB RAM, athlon 2400+ and a radeon 9600. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I was fairly happy with my computer UNTIL I installed Team Speak Overlay! It's got a FPS meter on it, so I got to see what speed I was actually running at! Bad Move!

What sort of resolution/setting are you running on? It sound like you've got it running fairly good!

waffen-79
03-31-2008, 11:36 AM
My standard windows resolution is 1280x1024 @ 60 hz

But I run IL2 with 1024x768, I now for sure my monitor can handle 60,70,72 & 85hz does the game knows what refresh rate to use?

R_Target
03-31-2008, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
But I run IL2 with 1024x768, I now for sure my monitor can handle 60,70,72 & 85hz does the game knows what refresh rate to use?

I've always had to force refresh rates to get them to work in IL2. Nvidia used to have it in their drivers, but now I just use RefreshLock.

SeaFireLIV
03-31-2008, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by WizardKing78:

...And more importantly, don't ever let your wife tell you what you can and can't do.

Too many men do that these days.

Agreed, at least make sure she gets told what she can or can`t do 50% of the time.

mattinen
03-31-2008, 05:06 PM
If you want to improve your framerate without hardware investments (I have the Gainward 7900GS) what should you do? In your experience what were the most effective measures in this respect?

Airmail109
03-31-2008, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by mattinen:
If you want to improve your framerate without hardware investments (I have the Gainward 7900GS) what should you do? In your experience what were the most effective measures in this respect?

Table size room fan, overclock everything

Sillius_Sodus
03-31-2008, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WizardKing78:
...And more importantly, don't ever let your wife tell you what you can and can't do.

Too many men do that these days. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Of course, because they are the ones that reproduce... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When it comes to making a marriage work, the road to victory is paved with retreat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I tell the missus she can tell me what to do, or how to do it, but not both!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Hasn't worked yet.

WizardKing78
04-01-2008, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WizardKing78:

...And more importantly, don't ever let your wife tell you what you can and can't do.

Too many men do that these days.

Agreed, at least make sure she gets told what she can or can`t do 50% of the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, at LEAST 50% of the time! Women have no respect for men who are easy to push-around. I wish men would get that into their thick skulls.

What this has to do with WW2 fighters... I have no idea. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It just annoys me to see grown men in their 50s, 60s being dictated to by their wives, particularly when it affects their Il2 enjoyment.

Bakelit
04-01-2008, 09:36 AM
"Women have no respect for men who are easy to push-around. I wish men would get that into their thick skulls."

I sadly took a while to learn that one. You're not doing yourself a favour that way and they are not fond of you either, strangely.

I feel for the men, often even older ones, which are adressed to like a doggie by their misses when I watch people shopping.

Back to topic: I bought a used 19"CRT, one with the two thin wires across, strip mask I believe, run at 85hz and love the sheer crispness and don't want to swap for LCD yet.

Darth_Reagan
04-01-2008, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
My old CRT blew a fuse and lost one colour just last week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I now have a TFT and its really not very clear compared to my older packard bell CRT, also the speakers in my CRT were fantastic, I have to use seperate speakers with my TFT.

I miss my CRT, sniff.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Are you sure it blew a fuse? Losing just one colour sounds more like one of the pins on the video cable is not connecting. Have you got another cable?