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BlackStar2000
02-11-2005, 11:59 AM
S!

Do the Fw190D9/13/14

Once somebody here ask fot it and i think, maybe, will require only small changes in the currently model of Fw190D family.

<O|

BlackStar2000
02-11-2005, 11:59 AM
S!

Do the Fw190D9/13/14

Once somebody here ask fot it and i think, maybe, will require only small changes in the currently model of Fw190D family.

&lt;O|

faustnik
02-11-2005, 12:26 PM
We do have some data on the late Doras. The only differences are weapons and power ratings. The external model change is only the cowel gun cover I think.

LBR_Rommel
02-12-2005, 08:58 AM
yep this would be nice, can we have the Bf109 k14?

p1ngu666
02-12-2005, 03:33 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//dorastuff.jpg

not sure if its 100% correct but...

Nubarus
02-12-2005, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackStar2000:
S!

Do the Fw190D9/13/14
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We already have the D9, 2 of em actually.

JG7_Rall
02-12-2005, 06:53 PM
D13 would be sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

BlackStar2000
02-14-2005, 05:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//dorastuff.jpg

not sure if its 100% correct but... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sry you are right i was too excited to see Oleg here again, and im asking the whole world to nim.

But anyway would be very nice have these birds in game, theres a wide group of Fws that i believe will require only small changes, as we can see in the pingus graphics

Fish6891
02-14-2005, 06:38 AM
I salivate at the very thought of it, D13 would be SWEET!

Fish6891
02-14-2005, 06:45 AM
Oh, and Ta152C1 and/or C3 would be sweet too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LBR_Barkhorn
02-15-2005, 11:51 AM
The FW-190D11/D12/D13 would be cool... at least, if the Brits will have the Spit XIV and the Tempest, the Luftwaffe pilots deserves to have sometingh to fight it "equal to equal".

And, finnaly: if someone could make the Hs-129 cockpit, LW pilots could have an excelent tank buster.

p1ngu666
02-15-2005, 01:47 PM
XIV was in active squadron service in jan and feb 44 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
so that area is fairly well covered by the g6late (with 20mm cannon)
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

D11 would be a right pain with 2 mk108, rather have a d12 or d13
think some had 4x 20mm which would be nice

are the later ones any faster etc ?

p1ngu666
02-15-2005, 02:23 PM
fw190A8 was in production in jan 44, dont know when it was into service
so its 109g6, fw1905 or 6 or 8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

tempest is abit before d day i think, smidge earlier than mw50 109s?

Nubarus
02-16-2005, 05:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LBR_Barkhorn:
The FW-190D11/D12/D13 would be cool... at least, if the Brits will have the Spit XIV and the Tempest, the Luftwaffe pilots deserves to have sometingh to fight it "equal to equal". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Deserves it to compete against the Spit XIV and Tempest V?
You already have the planes to compete with them in the FW190 D9, Ta152 and Bf109 K4.
And I am pretty sure the Bf109 G6/AS, G10 and G14 can compete with them as well.
With the inclusion of the Tempest V and Spit XIV it will even it out since these late war LW planes outclass all the RAF planes currently in this sim, if they are flown correctly that is.

BlackStar2000
02-16-2005, 08:20 AM
Well i want them cause i like them, anyway germans dont have many planes as allieds have, so what we can do is to ask, about some othters Lw planes

Sig.Hirsch
02-16-2005, 11:42 AM
I just hope they'll put a "normal" Spit XIV , like they did for the bf-109's series ingame with the more common boost , and unlike the Spit V overboosted we have , that are 1942 models .

I think another German plane will be more than welcome , cause LW had nothing since the 110 , that's a long time ago , i hope for the D-12 or Ta-152C too , but i have no illusions about its chances to be ingame .

PaiFritz
02-16-2005, 12:43 PM
Please sir don`t ask for it!

Because in the other patch the allies "pilot" will ask for Sabres,Hornet(F-18) and Eagles F-15 to fly aganist this SUPER planes.

faustnik
02-16-2005, 12:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nubarus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LBR_Barkhorn:
The FW-190D11/D12/D13 would be cool... at least, if the Brits will have the Spit XIV and the Tempest, the Luftwaffe pilots deserves to have sometingh to fight it "equal to equal". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Deserves it to compete against the Spit XIV and Tempest V?
You already have the planes to compete with them in the FW190 D9, Ta152 and Bf109 K4.
And I am pretty sure the Bf109 G6/AS, G10 and G14 can compete with them as well.
With the inclusion of the Tempest V and Spit XIV it will even it out since these late war LW planes outclass all the RAF planes currently in this sim, if they are flown correctly that is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nubarus is right on the "deserves it" part. It would be fun to have the D-11/12/13 but, the Dora 9 will do fine (as they did in historically) against the late UK stuff. Don't forget the LW has that plane without propellers that we never get to use online. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nubarus
02-16-2005, 05:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackStar2000:
Well i want them cause i like them, anyway germans dont have many planes as allieds have <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What if you add Japan and Italy to the list as well.
If you want to compare then don't just take German planes in this sim and compare them to all the Allied planes that represent 3 different Countries.

p1ngu666
02-16-2005, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sig.Hirsch:
I just hope they'll put a "normal" Spit XIV , like they did for the bf-109's series ingame with the more common boost , and unlike the Spit V overboosted we have , that are 1942 models .

I think another German plane will be more than welcome , cause LW had nothing since the 110 , that's a long time ago , i hope for the D-12 or Ta-152C too , but i have no illusions about its chances to be ingame . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

spit V isnt overboosted iirec, there was 16lb V's. there was also 9 and 12 i think. still its Vb, not very scary http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XIV and to a later extent tempest are
XIV jan and feb 44 in squadron service, proper active service. tempest was abit before d day, not sure. series 2 about the same time as mw50 109's and dora i guess.
mw50 in mainstream was a summer and autumn 44 thing... so for date wise, we are fine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

performance wise, lw will be up against it. just like real life http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

cheer up tho, your planes roll better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sig.Hirsch
02-16-2005, 09:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>spit V isnt overboosted iirec, there was 16lb V's. there was also 9 and 12 i think. still its Vb, not very scary Wink2
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh yea , sorry , by overboosted , i meant , Spit V is 1941 plane , but we have engines with boost of 1942 models , i don't think they were the more common but maybe i am wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

not very scary like you said , but a very good opponent against 109 F4 i'd say the best allied plane in 1941 ingame versus LW (P-39 D2 rules too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) , better than it should when you do 1941 missions and fairly realistic for 1942 missions , especially at high alt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Von_Rat
02-16-2005, 11:44 PM
nubarus,,,, there are 109 allied aicraft flyable,and only 63 axis, german italy japan. give or take one or two.

there are 13 spits, and only 9 fws, that includes f8 and ta.

so i don't think asking for one or two fws is asking for to much.

Kwiatos
02-17-2005, 02:31 AM
I think 190 Dora with 30mm cannon will be good resolve problem with uneffective weapons of D-9.

csThor
02-17-2005, 02:53 AM
I'd rather see a correct MG 151/20 than another extremely rare aircraft type. Even though I'm a LW only player and a Fw 190 nut at that.

Nubarus
02-17-2005, 03:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Rat:
nubarus,,,, there are 109 allied aicraft flyable,and only 63 axis, german italy japan. give or take one or two.

there are 13 spits, and only 9 fws, that includes f8 and ta.

so i don't think asking for one or two fws is asking for to much. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't mind either, but why do it have to be these rare exotic types?

Oh I know, because they are so good.

Axis side already has the best planes in this sim and now that there is word of a Tempest V and Spitfire XIV they want even better ones.......for obvious reasons from where I am sitting.

BlackStar2000
02-17-2005, 04:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nubarus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Rat:
nubarus,,,, there are 109 allied aicraft flyable,and only 63 axis, german italy japan. give or take one or two.

there are 13 spits, and only 9 fws, that includes f8 and ta.

so i don't think asking for one or two fws is asking for to much. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't mind either, but why do it have to be these rare exotic types?

Oh I know, because they are so good.

Axis side already has the best planes in this sim and now that there is word of a Tempest V and Spitfire XIV they want even better ones.......for obvious reasons from where I am sitting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK lets Talk about EXOTIC planes.

_________________________________________

Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Oleg posted this reply around the middle of December 2004. This was during the height of the US copyright issue firestorm. I highlighted the relevant paragraph (# 5) :

Rumors just partially right. And in some way - completely wrong

1) 1C was releasing add-ons as well in the past separatelly of Ubisoft in
Russia.
It was released already 3 (or 4) add-ons with the static campaigns only for
Russian market and there was one of them a huge hit ("The roads of the war".
After this add-on that was created by two guys one became a member of our
team). However such add-ons didn't make Russian version incompatible online
with the non-russian language versions. We are personally almost not
involved in developemtn of them.
2) We are in a great hope that these planned add-ons will meet western
market as well by one of the
ways and almost simultaniosly with the Russian. It will depends of many
factors that are out of our own control.
3) We will be way more busy with the new sim development. So these add-ons
will make third party with the guys that are trained well here in Moscow
using our tools. So
from us it will be relatively minimal investment of the work that to make
final tunings and programming and to do not stop any developments of new
sim (BoB).
4) We can't sell ourselves on western market any additions, etc for the the
Il-2 series without agreement with Ubisoft. So they should decide what to
do if there will be such add-ons ready (and localised at least for English).
Unfortunatelly usually such small add-ons are absolutley non-profitable in
the west.... So any decision of Ubisoft is understand-able at least for us.
_5) These add-on(s) contains only Russian planes and maps. Most of them are
experimental prop+jet (such as existed and tested La-7R 1944, Yak-3R 1944,
MiG-13 in a serivice 1945-46, etc, for which we have enough info that to
model) and jet planes (say unreleased LaGG-3RD-1 1941-42 with unfinished
TR-1 engine with 800+ kg thrust, Yak-15 in principle is a copy of this
plane). One of them MiG-9 of Russian and probably also Chinese production,
which was never modelled in any sim (if I'm not wrong). All is limited to
1945 - early 1946 year as we were agree long time ago even with third party.
Also maps which are planned for these add-ons are Ukraine (Kiev area) and
the area of East for 1945 invation of Russian troops in the war against
Japan. For this if all will be Ok in time, ordered IL-10 as well_
6) As it is known already for public by the leaked somewhere info, currently
we will not develop or accept from third party any planes owned by Nothrop
(Grumman, Vough, Republic). Even the one that we did already for free
add-on... No comments. However it doesn't means that we really wont to model
them now or in future.... Sorry, I can't tell you more details curently.
7) Other planes - still possible. The limits are the same - they should be
done without technology bugs. Such bugs limit us in time and we are unable to
rework third party models as it was in the past (just 4 guys in the world
doing currently 3D models for our sim with no bugs... Sorry to tell it). We
will say when we will stop completely such things. But currently such things
are still possible.
8) the maps of Murmansk and Kurland for a merged install will be available
for free when its done finally.

Oleg Maddox.

_________________________________________

What else do you want? Mig 15, why not ask for a F-15? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
The way it goes i will wait for NATO. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Nubarus
02-17-2005, 04:17 AM
LMFAO, it is a RUSSIA ONLY release.

So I don't see the point.

Unless you want to imply that if the Russian customers get exotic planes so should you?

Edit:

Besides, they can keep that add-on in Russia for all I care.
I don't need all that exotic material.

All I care about is the Spitfire XIV because that plane was flown by the 322 Squadron and we need it for our Demo's.
Then we have all the combat planes flown by the 322 during WWII.

BlackStar2000
02-17-2005, 06:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nubarus:
LMFAO, it is a _RUSSIA ONLY_ release.

So I don't see the point.

Unless you want to imply that if the Russian customers get exotic planes so should you?

Edit:

Besides, they can keep that add-on in Russia for all I care.
I don't need all that exotic material.

All I care about is the Spitfire XIV because that plane was flown by the 322 Squadron and we need it for our Demo's.
Then we have all the combat planes flown by the 322 during WWII. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No no no ppl around here ask P47M and High boost version of this or that..., theres a big chance that all of that exotic Russian planes get in here to all of us. Btw what you may call exotic was the regular use, at least to defend germany, so i dont think this not such hard to accept some models of Fw190 and Ta152, only you make a big matter of it Nubarus, i dont understand you.

You talk like, right now, Germans have a huge advantage over allied planes, right now Spit9 manouver so well above 9000 mtrs... i though i should get afraid only to find P51 and P47....

p1ngu666
02-17-2005, 06:50 AM
spit IX has same engine as p51, designed as a high alt fighter too. p51 was a low alt fighter, just merlin made it good up high http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

i think these later dora's arent much faster, just better guns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

id like the russian 46 stuff, be interesting, dont expect to fly it on warclouds or anything tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

think lw here are just like real lw... despirate for better planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

20thFG-PirAnha
02-17-2005, 07:15 AM
No. Just no, will throw the balance off even more between USAAF vs LW.

BlackStar2000
02-17-2005, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 20thFG-PirAnha:
No. Just no, will throw the balance off even more between USAAF vs LW. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see your point, but that is not good enough to just not do it, but i got a feeling that we will not get new american planes around here for a very long time.

Von_Rat
02-17-2005, 10:08 AM
wouldnt be any lw asking for exotic fws,,, if me262 was allowed, or even if 20mm worked. lol

actually with all the calls for spity14 and tempest im constantly seeing, it sounds like the raf is desparate for better planes at this moment.

they want the advantage and then they want to keep it, so no soup,,er,,, i mean no more fws for you. lol

LBR_Barkhorn
02-17-2005, 11:32 AM
2 new LW fighters... is some type of sin ask for it?

Dam*!!! Last addon (PF) we have, only allied side earned good planes, last axis planes we have was Japanese paper planes... i like to fly allied planes, but i fell that someone is looking for only one side now.

Where's the HS129? Where's the Me-210/410? Why german 20mm guns is so uneffective? Why russian wood is tougher than german iron? Only Oleg knows....

faustnik
02-17-2005, 11:45 AM
It is funny that this request upsets people. I guess the Spit XIV is seen as the plane that will finally give the Allied pilots every advantage, turn, climb, speed, firepower and the late Doras are a threat to that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Late Doras would be an interesting addition to complete the Fw190 series. They wouldn't belong on most servers so, would not be anything more than that. I doubt Oleg will spend the time on it.

Nubarus
02-17-2005, 05:55 PM
It seems BlackStar needs some lessons in how to fight in a FW190D9 against Spitfire IX's by a more experienced FW190 player since the advantage is indeed with the FW and not with the Spitfire IX.

The Spitfire IX is a nice plane but it does drop the ball when it really matters.

And Faustnik, I don't believe the Spitfire XIV will outclass all current Axis planes, but it will bring it to a more even matchup then the situation is right now.

Badsight.
02-17-2005, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nubarus:
And Faustnik, I don't believe the Spitfire XIV will outclass all current Axis planes, but it will bring it to a more even matchup then the situation is right now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL

you are SO BADLY under-stating this plane

we all fly allied & axis , you cant BS these people , the ONLY thing the Spit doesnt have over the FW that matters is out-right topspeed when your motor isnt overheated

& you dont get kills from running

the Spitfire is a killer , go on ,it wont hurt you to say it

p1ngu666
02-17-2005, 09:43 PM
yeah, we shouldnt have stuff the raf had in 44, before and at the same time as luftwaffe stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
lw got a really bad spanking in 44....
because it had been a very naughty boy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

btw, hardly ever see ppl fly g6.... which is the conteporay of the IX...

see g2, g6as,g10,14 and k4

RAF have spit vb models (some dodgy) and IX and VIII. seafire is a V model spit pretty much, beufighter is a cut down version. our heavy bomber is a bleniem http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

raf,italians and IJN and IJA will soon be fleshed out better...
pleases me, as i fly all planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

faustnik
02-17-2005, 11:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nubarus:

And Faustnik, I don't believe the Spitfire XIV will outclass all current Axis planes, but it will bring it to a more even matchup then the situation is right now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nubarus,

Exactly how is the current fight so uneven?

(Note: I am very happy to see the inclusion of the Spit XIV and the Tempest. I am all for including them 100%.)

Sig.Hirsch
02-18-2005, 02:54 AM
This thread is not about Spit XIV , im happy we'll have Sipt XIV , if they don't put an engine of 1945 ....

This thread is about a new Focke Wulf Dora , and yes we need it , because Axis has too less planes compared to allied , the last we had is almost one year ago : the Me-110 .

dozens of Allied aircraft are planned for a future add-on , all we ask is about ONE german plane , if you don't agree with that , don't post , anyway we already know we have little if no chances to have it . .

If you want to talk about balance , actually the worst propeller planes are the Russians , then the German (except Ta-152) , and the best planes are the US planes without any comparison , because they eat alive any plane at High alt itude , i get almost never killed in a Mustang or P-47 because i boom and zoom anything , and shoot them from 500 meters , so stop claiming LW planes are the best , that's bullshht , we have a crappy 20 mm , our engines are zippos , and we overheat quicker than any Mustang or Spit ingame .
The planes that are the best up high have the initiative and the situation under control , a Yak-3 which is the best low alt dogfighter IMO , has Never that control and initiative ...
So is the Bf , and FW against US planes ...

Just climb over 7500-8000 m with US planes and learn to be a good pilot , you'll never be in danger , and always be able to break , or take the initiative , because you have the fastest planes up there , the best range , the more solid planes , the best armament for engaging fighters and deflection shots , and very good performance at low alt , with a lot of planes to choose from (P-39-40-47-63-51-38) and the best bombers , what do you want more ??! stop complaining .

carguy_
02-18-2005, 03:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originall posted by Nubarus:
I don't mind either, but why do it have to be these rare exotic types?

Oh I know, because they are so good.

Axis side already has the best planes in this sim and now that there is word of a Tempest V and Spitfire XIV they want even better ones.......for obvious reasons from where I am sitting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


For game balance the MKXIV is not needed.LW loses every single map in online campaigns.Even without numbers allies win it everytime.So what?You want to win the map even faster?
You can give me some charts but it is entirely true that in practice Spit IX ruled the skies until the end of the online war.

This can not be a coincidence that not even one chapter of online campaign was ever won by LW.


As for the plane all I want is the freakin MG151/20 to resemble the historic effectiveness and fair online host who is not affraid to folow history and actually put the jet LW planes in `44.

Yeah I know the allied side would completely lose its tremper over the Me262 with 4 uber MK108 cannons as you call it.

LW had the most advanced aircraft in the whole war.Why is it that online LW pilots lose ground starting from `41?


You know what?Oleg denied the possibility to actually remove the bombrack and actually make something of FW190A8 and A9.


LW pilots are just a bunch of pathetic losers if you take online into account.

BlackStar2000
02-18-2005, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nubarus:
It seems BlackStar needs some lessons in how to fight in a FW190D9 against Spitfire IX's by a more experienced FW190 player since the advantage is indeed with the FW and not with the Spitfire IX.
[QUOTE]

Nice Joke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[quote]The Spitfire IX is a nice plane but it does drop the ball when it really matters. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think YOU need some lessons to fly Spitfire9, right now Spit9 become the most used plane in the servers in HL, looks like LA7 dont even exist, and BTW thanks Oleg for Spits wide family because this still about Russian Front.

p1ngu666
02-18-2005, 10:23 AM
think the VB and IX served in russia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

k4 can run away and climb away from IX and VIII with ease

190 outspeed it

262 2a would be great on warclouds etc imo

2 mk108 is ok, i mean we arent attacking mountains here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

just like ki84c, corsair 1c and 109z and 109 with mk108 gun pods, they just have too much firepower tobe "sporting" to the other guy... thats why i object to them in servers, most players agree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

with 2a, i can jabo at will, which would please me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BlackStar2000
02-18-2005, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
think the VB and IX served in russia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I dont know for sure

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
k4 can run away and climb away from IX and VIII with ease <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure about RUN without blow the engine, climb, sry but i dont think k-4 right now climb better then spit9, right now Spit9 can do a 360 turn and climb like it was nothing
But some Spit9 pilot follow me(Ta152) in a dive from 9000 m to 2000, without even slow down, i was diving at 900km

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
190 outspeed it
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
well something must do it

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
262 2a would be great on warclouds etc imo
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
dont go there, and why not the 262 1a?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
2 mk108 is ok, i mean we arent attacking mountains here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then i just dont get it, explain later
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just like ki84c, corsair 1c and 109z and 109 with mk108 gun pods, they just have too much firepower tobe "sporting" to the other guy... thats why i object to them in servers, most players agree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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Dont care about this place, most of those easy killers will love Ride Spi14 to Kill Bf109-E

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with 2a, i can jabo at will, which would please me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why Fly German planes if you don like them?
Put those bobs in your Spit and be happy 2x more

p1ngu666
02-18-2005, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackStar2000:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
think the VB and IX served in russia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I dont know for sure

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k4 can run away and climb away from IX and VIII with ease <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure about RUN without blow the engine, climb, sry but i dont think k-4 right now climb better then spit9, right now Spit9 can do a 360 turn and climb like it was nothing
But some Spit9 pilot follow me(Ta152) in a dive from 9000 m to 2000, without even slow down, i was diving at 900km

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190 outspeed it
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well something must do it

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262 2a would be great on warclouds etc imo
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dont go there, and why not the 262 1a?
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2 mk108 is ok, i mean we arent attacking mountains here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then i just dont get it, explain later
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
just like ki84c, corsair 1c and 109z and 109 with mk108 gun pods, they just have too much firepower tobe "sporting" to the other guy... thats why i object to them in servers, most players agree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dont care about this place, most of those easy killers will love Ride Spi14 to Kill Bf109-E

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
with 2a, i can jabo at will, which would please me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why Fly German planes if you don like them?
Put those bobs in your Spit and be happy 2x more <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

u can easily outclimb a spit in a k4. just gotta know about the W key and howto use it correctly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

1a has 4 mk108, its too powerful for the other guy to fight against AND HAVE FUN. having rediculous armament isnt fun for the OTHER guy.

other fighters easily catch fighters with bombs. 262 2a is so much faster that u easly get to your target, bomb, and go home again at will http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sig.Hirsch
02-19-2005, 08:58 AM
I didn't know Spitfire IX fought in Russia with VVS , i thought USSR received only Spit V series , is it correct ?

p1ngu666
02-19-2005, 10:33 AM
think i have a couple of pics of IX in russian service http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Von_Rat
02-19-2005, 02:51 PM
the spit9 hf,, outclimbs the k4 above 6000m,, by alot. according to il2 compare and my own experiance. its also faster above 8000m.

also the k4s roc vs tas is lower below 450kph.

it seems to me that the spit14, if its much superior to the spit9 we have today, will tear the 109k up.
to those players who want to recreate history and have the lw at a historically desparate disadvantage, have fun flying by yourself on the servers.

if the allies can boycott servers with jets, lw can do the same with spit14.

oh btw this is a sim of ww2 air combat,, it is NOT A HISTORICAL RECREATION OF WW2.

p1ngu666
02-19-2005, 03:11 PM
the roc must be using non wep, cos k4 is a rocketship in a climb, also check max roc vs alt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

109's rely heavily on mw50 for performace, as u can see on the graphs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Von_Rat
02-19-2005, 03:52 PM
with wep on for both the spit and k4 the spit climbs at 24ms from 6000m till about 7200m. at 7200m the k4 is only climbing at 17ms.

the k4s climb advantage below 4200m against spit9 is considerable, but im sure this will totally disappear if spit14 is modeled like the spit9 is.

considering the spit9s advantages against german aircraft above 6000m now, the spit14 will totally own the hi air. as it is now the spit9 is almost as fast as ta152 beteewn 7000m and 8000m. and it climbs better than the ta at anything over 4500m. it also blows the fw190d9 away in climbing above 4500m.

hmm tell me again why spit14 is needed, it seems the spit9 already meets the spit14s performence, at least at hi alt.

carguy_
02-19-2005, 05:05 PM
Plz do not take MW50 into account while comparing performance.It durates very shortly so I`d say with it you have a one-time runaway help if you really need it.It`s nothing compared to superchargers that kick in everytime at a certain altitude in the Spitfire.

Even though Spit XIV is compared directly to the best performance wise Me109 it is the most rarely seen LW prop aircraft in online campaigns.

Spit IX has similar high alt performance to MkXIV(ingame duh) but it lasts through most of the western front campaigns.
Taking multiple war factors into account the MkXIV should be itty bitty more rarely available than the Me109K4.If the availability of those two aircraft is fair host-wise then SpitXIV won`t be encountered more than one or two time on every 15 missions.

But I understand allied community needs a new all time flyer against the K4 in online DF(yuk) servers.

Just bear in mind that if `44,`45 DF servers were fair,there would ve no fun whatsoever for the allies.

p1ngu666
02-19-2005, 08:32 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//spitXIVandIXHFmaxspeeds.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//XIVandIXHFroc.jpg

similer roc, but XIV much faster http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

well... XIV gets there 2mins or so quicker http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//spitXIVvsIXHFTTC.jpg

saying 109 can only use mw50 once is bs. start engine, then once its running turn on boost. u can use it for ages if u play with the throttle every few mins, bring it below 100% for a split second u wont fry the engine. thought everyone knew that?

and yeah, without mw50 the engine doesnt kick out much power...

p1ngu666
02-19-2005, 08:36 PM
XIV was in squadron service in jan feb, k4, is autumn or late summer?
and g10 etc are only a few months earlier

my friend derek helped me with the graphs

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> if uve never seen a elephant ski, uve never been on acid says:
ta
Derek says:
Glad I could help.
Derek says:
I do it all to listen to the squeals and lamentations of Luftwaffles <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Derek says:
Wow, 363 mph on the deck with the 14, thats Mustang D-style speed
if uve never seen a elephant ski, uve never been on acid says:
vonrat will flip when he sees speed difference at 39,000ft
Derek says:
No more ****ing Lufties running away then <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Von_Rat
02-20-2005, 01:20 AM
nice graph ping666, thx for posting it.

heres some comparisions beteewn the spit9 in your graph and what we have in game.

im to lazy to convert mph into kph, maybe somone else will.

spit9 from your graph
400mph at 5000m
370mph at 7000m

spit14 from your graph

445mph at 5000m

420mph at 7000m

spit9 that we have in game
640kph at 5000m

660kph at 7000m

685kph at 8000m



like i said i to lazy to convert mph into kph. but even i can see somthing wrong with the in game spit9.

it seems the spit9 we have in game is as fast as your spit14 at hi alt.

oleg should just take the spit9hf, increase its low alt speed,make it turn slightly worse, and viola, instant spit14.

oh tell derek that the ta152, fw190d9, fw190a9, the 109k4, and the 109g6as are all faster on the deck than 363mph.
i fly hi but i think ive only been up to 39,000ft, once in a ta152.

Nubarus
02-20-2005, 03:59 AM
Not really Von Rat.

Since you where too lazy to convert it it shows that you are wrong.
Spit XIV's top speed in km/h is 712km/h, not 685km/h as you suggest.

So your instant Spit XIV "trick" isn't going to cut it.

Von_Rat
02-20-2005, 04:20 AM
im just going by whats on the graph, i have no info on real life spit9 or spit14.

i got motivated and converted to kph.

spit14 according to graph.
716kph at 5000m

676kph at 7000m

spit9 in game.
640kph at 5000m

660kph at 7000m

685kph at 8000m

so yes at medium alt the spit14 blows the ingame spit9 away.

but the in game spit9 is nearly as fast or faster at 7000m plus.

what about climb, according to graph spit9 and spit14 somwhat similar.

i did some quick figuring, not my strong suit ill tell you, and came up with these numbers.

spit14
4000m 20ms
7000m 20ms

spit9 in game
4000m 25ms
7000m 23ms

the spit9 according to graph should outclimb spit14 at 4000m, so i guess thats right. but the ingame spit9 is climbing to fast at 4000m.

but at 7000m the spit9 in game is climbing at 23ms, faster than the spit14 at 20ms.

according to the chart the spit9 should only be climbing at 7000m at 18ms.

i gotta admit if that charts correct and the spit14 does 716 at 5000m its going to be a bear. im going to have to check this myself, that seems awlful fast for that hieght. anyway if its correct all the more reason for jets or new fws.

face it, if the spit14 is going to be as uber in game as you guys want it, who's going to fly anything else online. every server will have 90% red all in spit14s chasing around a few guys in 109s tnb on the deck, or fewer still, guys in ta's up in the stratosphere.

p1ngu666
02-20-2005, 07:54 AM
naw, there will be plenty in tempest aswell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spittest.html

i think i chose XIV (converted from VIII) and one of the prop tests for HF IX. dunno how properly representive they are, but should be pretty ballparkish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

the HF engine was probably used in the photo recon spits, and mossies too, or something similer, as was the griffon when it became avalible...

those recon planes where pretty much imune from interception apart from the 262 and me163(which was developed to shoot them down)

262's did practise interceptions vs mossies and spits, even with no guns on the pr aircraft, alot still came back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif