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RNZAFJay
07-08-2005, 01:32 AM
The P-40 gets a bad wrap in many aviation books but heres something thats pretty amazing.

The RNZAF while in Guadalcanal shot down 99 Japanese fighters (mostly A6M2 Zeros) for 20 losses. Thats almost a 5:1 kill ratio with P-40 K,M and N models.

The RAAF also had a alot of success with the P-40.

This begs the question, was the P-40 really such a bad plane if it was given the right mission and pilot (a lot of the RNZAF pilots were past veterns from Europe and North Afica)?

Tobus75
07-08-2005, 01:50 AM
The P-40 kicked butt when flown by a veteran pilot familiar with the plane's handling. It was called somewhat obsolete by the beginning of the war, but was used through the entire war. That alone should say enough about the plane. RNAF and the AVG did very well with it. P-40 rules IMO!

RNZAFJay
07-08-2005, 01:58 AM
Opps I forgot the AVG. They very much figured out what the humble Hawk could do and couldnt do from the very beginning.

I really am beginning to love the P-40. It looks quite beautiful but moreover its an underdogs plane. Love to cheer for the underdog. Also some of the paint schemes used by diffrent air forces look cool, including the orginal RAF "Shark mouth"

RNZAFJay
07-08-2005, 02:41 AM
http://www.durnanavart.com/P409.JPG

Cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Anymore cool pics of good ol' 40's, here the place to post 'em

bird_brain
07-08-2005, 02:25 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://jyarbrough.homestead.com/GB_P40.jpg

Stigler_9_JG52
07-08-2005, 02:37 PM
The reason the P-40 was considered "bad", if that's a term that is in fact applied to it, is because it was often thrust into a situation it was ill-equipped for: a fast interception at altitude.

The Flying Tigers proved that, given enough notice and time to get to altitude, it was an effective interceptor. But, too often, it was found to be too slow to climb and get to high-flying bombers, and then it was cut to ribbons by more maneuverable escort planes, like the Zero in the Pacific, or the 109F in the Med.

Overall, though, I'd say it was more effective than most of its contemporaries. It was essentially a "pre-war" plane, and its record stacks up fairly well against the likes of early P-39s, early Grumman iron, Curtiss fighters, etc.

horseback
07-08-2005, 03:22 PM
The P-40 was poorly flown by the first pilots to take it into combat in the Med and in the Southwest Pacific. The Soviets were not much better when they used it, with a few notable exceptions.

In each case, the operators were inexperienced in the type (the early-war RAF was of the belief that once you were trained as a pilot, you should be able to fly anything they handed you) or just plain inexperienced-and usually tried to fly the plane the way they flew the last plane they flew, or the way the enemy was flying their planes.

The only early users of the type who got it right were the AVG, who were schooled in the proper tactics by one of the great aerial tacticians of the time, Claire Chennault, and eventually, everyone in the Pacific used the same tactics he devised. After the initial reversals of 1942, the USAAF was able to dominate with the P-40 using the proper tactics. What led to its drawing down was the availability of something with better performance and better range, the P-38.

In North Africa, with a few exceptions, the Luftwaffe handled the P-40 squadrons of the Desert Air Force quite easily when they could get their 109s to the scene. The arrival of American groups flying P-40Fs during the Torch landings changed that rather quickly.

These Americans had a long acquaintance with the Warhawk, full confidence in its abilities, and full awareness of its shortcomings. They also were uninfected by British tactics (contemporary pilot accounts indicate that the Brits were convinced that the situation was hopeless as soon as the 109s arrived, and immediately went to the defensive).

They were blessed with Merlin engines in their Warhawks as well, endowing them with better high altitude performance than their Allison propelled counterparts. In any case, the Americans were more aggressive with German fighters, and more successful. Even though there were P-38 groups and Spitfire groups operating in the 15th Air Force during that period, it was a P-40 pilot who earned top USAAF honors in the North Africa campaign with 10 kills, Maj. Levi Chase (yes, there were Commonwealth pilots with more kills, but they had lots more time in theater).

The P-40 couldn't turn with a Zero or Oscar, but it turned better than a Messerschmitt by all accounts (or it turned better than the people flying Messerschmitts thought it would...), and until the P-47 arrived, nothing could dive like a P-40. It was fast enough to be competitive, it had some firepower, it could take some damage and still get you home, it could turn with any other fighter in the theater, and if it got into trouble, it could dive away from disaster.

On the negative side, it didn't climb so well, it had some unpleasant ground handling tendencies (nothing on the scale of the 109, though), and you had to constantly adjust the trim as you moved the throttle or varied in speed. In short, it required a lot of a pilot's attention, like most aircraft of the period.

Most of the men who flew it liked it, in the sense that it was fun to fly, and it remained competitive as a low-medium altitude fighter well into 1943.

cheers

horseback

Slater_51st
07-08-2005, 04:01 PM
It should also be pointed out about the P-40 that it was operated from the beginning of the war through 1944. The 23rd FG in China was still operating(and operating well)the P-40 in '44, and I'm sure there were others.

Hawks Rocks!

S! Slater

bolillo_loco
07-08-2005, 05:06 PM
I do not know how much combat it was seeing, but the P-40 was being used in the CBI area till the end of the war, during the last 9 months it looks like it was very limited use, but its listed as a first line unit which to me means "combat unit"

since many people judge an aircraft as being effective by the number of enemy aircraft it destroyed it might be interesting to note that in the CBI theater the P-40 destroyed more enemy aircraft than the P-38, P-47, and P-51 combined. not a fair compairsion considering that by the time the latter three aircraft arrived on the scene they flew virtually unopposed by japanese air units, thus they had little chance at detroying enemy aircraft in the air.

the two main problems that the P-40 had were lack of altitude performance and short range.

you can find P-40 statistics at this ULR provided by sky chimp. this ulr is for the CBI only

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroot/aafsd/aafsd_pdf/t094.pdf

ElAurens
07-08-2005, 05:08 PM
http://www.blitzpigs.com/photos/tigers2.jpg

Chuck_Older
07-08-2005, 05:24 PM
You know how hard it is to try and duplicate that photo!?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/Copy.jpg

bird_brain
07-08-2005, 05:35 PM
You need a coop & the right skins.
You're pretty close though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
07-08-2005, 05:38 PM
I have a good #68 based on hammerd's Charles Older skin, but getting the shark mouth on #46 correct is a biiiaaatch. I really like that shark mouth, too. Pity nobody's skinned it

Slater_51st
07-08-2005, 06:57 PM
From Osprey's P-40 Warhawk Aces of the MTO, it seems that the 33rd FG turn in their P-40s in Feb 44, the 57th FG in Jan 44, the 79th in March 44, the 324th in July 44, and the 325th in Oct 43.

So, four whole groups flew P-40s in the MTO in early 44, some til mid 44 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Last engagement with German fighters(in MTO) was 13 May, 2 109s shot down for 2 P-40s.

Interesting read, very good topic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! Slate

WarWolfe_1
07-08-2005, 07:06 PM
I Love the 40....Don't know why so many people forget it filled a Critical gap for longer than it should have. It is a dream to fly, I just wish we had the f model.

Bearcat99
07-08-2005, 07:27 PM
From Red Tails Black Wings by John B Holway:

The men also recieved brand new P-40. The plane could not out climb the german Messerschnitdt 109 nor the Focke Wulf 190, and it did not have their speed or altitude. But it could out dive them and was superior in the turns. It could take a lot of punishment, which was important in ground support missions, and it had plenty of firepower - six .50 caliber machine guns and a 1000 lb. bomb load. It wsnt a long range plane. It was designed to come and go like the 109.


I love the P-40... always did.... in fact it was my first love a far as warbirds go. My older cousin by 8 years had that Cox P-40.... I must have been 5 or 6... I used to play with that thing.... I'd risk a beating to mess with it. Eventually when he discovered girls it became mine anyway...LOL

Stackhouse25th
07-08-2005, 07:40 PM
dont forget the P40 got its butt kicked in Africa due to the lufties BnZ tactics

chris455
07-08-2005, 07:48 PM
The real life P-40 was one of those "good at everything great at nothing" warbirds whose main attribute was it's tough-as-nails construction- a quality that would bring it's pilot safely home with a degree of damage that would cause other planes would auger in.
The P-40 held the line for the allies until second generation fighters (like my beloved Jug http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif ) arrived to turn the tide.

Nimits
07-08-2005, 08:16 PM
Most of the P-40's early engagemetns (especially in the CBI and PTO) involved outnumbered P-40s given little raid warning trying to climb up and intercept bombers and fighters flying 15,000-20,000 feet above them. No plane, with the possible exception of some of the German jet and rocket interceptors, could perform well on those conditions (and the Germans at least had raid warning). The P-40 was not the greatest plane, but for every Allied pilot who hated it, there was another some were that would have gladly traded in a new P-47 or P-38 for the reliable old P-40. The Warhawk was certainly a tough match for any contemporary 109 or A6M models.

RAF used its Tomahawks as fighter bombers as much as anything else in North Africa, so they might tend to disengage from air interception.

RocketRobin__
07-08-2005, 08:58 PM
I find the P-40 is effective at dismantling aircraft into their component parts, when flown in the low altituded envelope (0 - 2800M).
Their Brownings have an exceptionally long range, a very good rate of fire and it carries a lot of ammo, so it's great for deflection shots in the the 500M range. I've seen a few pilots (with better targetting skills than I) set up their guns for 750M and even 1KM.
It's usually safest to avoid dogfights above 3200M and head-ons with aircraft that carry cannon.
While the P-40 is quite manoueverable, it is not exceptionally fast. Pilots with survival skills will keep this in mind when entering an engagement. I.e. you will have difficulty egressing, unless the hostile planes are incapacitated, or otherwise engaged.
The bottom line: The P-40 can be used to excise hostile aircaft with surgical precision, if the pilot uses some caution and observes correct situational awareness.
Personally, I prefer planes with more rudder authority (i.e. more stable gun platforms) like the Hurricane, or F4F4, but I always enjoy flying P-40s.

Feathered_IV
07-09-2005, 03:33 AM
Enter the followng line in your config.ini:

AllowRafeAndDanny=1

You will then be able to out-turn the Zero.
(I watched it again last night. Why, oh why did I bother?)

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Achilles_NZ
07-09-2005, 07:04 AM
The P-40 is definitely an awesome plane to fly in this sim, one of my top three next to the 109E & G-2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
I havent messed with it much since the patch though, but I like what ive seen.

If your after some good skins for the E, and M versions, check out Macwans renditions as they are awesome.
Plenty to choose from eg: RAAF, RAF, USAAF, North Africa etc, but I particularly like his RNZAF skins, but I might be a tad biased http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

There are three pages worth Here (http://www.france-simulation.com/download.php?dcategory=SKINS+MCWAN&sortby=dfilename&sortorder=ASC&page=1)
The site is in French but should be obvious where to look http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, give Icefires "Turning the Tide" campaign a try, as its based on RNZAF P-40's out of Guadalcanal. You can download it from Flying Legends (http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/listings.php?page_number=2&cat_id=28).
And if your interested, I did a journal of the campaign as I flew the missions with screenshots which you can view here (http://www.geocities.com/il2missions/campaignjournals.html)
(Note it contains mission spoilers)

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Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Enter the followng line in your config.ini:

AllowRafeAndDanny=1

You will then be able to out-turn the Zero.
(I watched it again last night. Why, oh why did I bother?)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Shame on you... Every time someone watches that dribble, God kills a kitten! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

LOL!

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-09-2005, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
You know how hard it is to try and duplicate that photo!?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Tigers.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/AVG.jpg

Been trying since CFS2!
Just thought you might like to see...

< S! >

Pappy113
07-09-2005, 12:33 PM
my grandfather flew with the 17th pursuit squadron in the phillipines so i grew up loving the p40, here are some sites of interest

p40 site (http://www.chuckhawks.com/p40.htm)

p40 site (http://www.yarchive.net/mil/p40.html)

Achilles_NZ
07-09-2005, 05:55 PM
Forgot to mention that there are some great shots of P-40's from airshows around NZ at
kiwiaircraftimages.com (http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/pages/wn00kh9.html)
Includeing closeups and restoration work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

PlimPlam
07-09-2005, 11:19 PM
P-40s got a nice roll and a nice dive. With some ruggedness in this game. And a nice punch. 6 50s can take enemy fighters wings off quite nicely thank you very much.

2 50s in the nose isn't too bad either imo. Like the 6 on the wings a whole lot better though.

It is a really slow climber though. Really really really slow. But if you set yerself up you can do very nicely.

I really like the plane. Always have though. Always will- too- I suppose.

Heck my favorite t-shirt is one with a p-40c on it. Tiger mouth and all.

RNZAFJay
07-10-2005, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
You know how hard it is to try and duplicate that photo!?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Tigers.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/AVG.jpg

Been trying since CFS2!
Just thought you might like to see...

< S! > </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now thats cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif. Now we have a RNZAF campain, how cool would a AVG campain be? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

The thing I love about the P-40 is while is wasnt perfect, it was all the allies had at the beginning and they figured out how to make the most out of it.

Like my Grandma said, "sometimes you have to get what you're given and be greatful for it".

At least they weren't trying to take on zeros in Tigermoths!

Vipez-
07-10-2005, 04:44 AM
Try to imagine flying the A6M2 (1940-version), it is no surprise P-40s kicked early Zero's a$$ (esspecially K,M and N) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif No radios, no selfsealing tanks, no parachutes for all pilots .. and some of Jap-squadrons had to fly the A6M2s all the way up to 1943-1944..

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-10-2005, 05:31 AM
RNZAFJay wrote:
Now we have a RNZAF campain, how cool would a AVG campain be?
.................................
This cool! 'When Tigers Could Fly' by Chuck_Older available at flyinglegends

Looks like a lot of work and a lot of knowledge went into it. Thanks Chuck!



http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/WTCF.jpg

vlad_k
07-10-2005, 06:20 AM
P40 is bad vs FW-190 D9
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Chuck_Older
07-10-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
RNZAFJay wrote:
Now we have a RNZAF campain, how cool would a AVG campain be?
.................................
This cool! 'When Tigers Could Fly' by Chuck_Older available at flyinglegends

Looks like a lot of work and a lot of knowledge went into it. Thanks Chuck!





No thanks needed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm not the only one to do an AVG campaign- I think I was just the first to make one generally available after PF came out- I waited until the H81A-2 was available. There are two other AVG campaigns I can think of- one finished (with P-40Es if I recall correctly), one in progress the last time I heard

WTCF also is available at Airwarfare.com

As an aside, I have gotten confirmation from a player that there can be PF and/or patch issues that make WTCF behave oddly- namely, player cannot control the aircraft. This has been definitely traced back to a problem with the install of the sim, not the campaign, in at least one instance. Just an FYI. A complete uninstall and reinstall of FB, then AEP, then PF, and all patches cleared up the problem

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-10-2005, 04:42 PM
Thanks for the info, hope it doesn't come to a complete reinstall.

P.S. Did you ever catch The Clash live? I saw 'em on the London Calling promo tour, Sheesh! got to be 25 years ago now - suddenly feeling old!

< S! >

Slater_51st
07-11-2005, 12:03 AM
I love the P-40, so it's going to be the subject of my next batch of skins http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Being as this is a P-40 topic, I feel spamming it with some P-40 WIP pics is OK http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif As to the A/C, I absolutely LOVE it! There are, however, some glaring omissions in this game, namely the entire F and L series, along with the K models. These would be great to fly, and skin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Skin is from my own template, which is almost compeletely different from stock void. Lemme know if there's any skins of the Warhawk u'd like to see. Maybe I'll get to the Tommy later http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/MustangSlater67/P-40StartTop.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/MustangSlater67/P-40StartBottom.jpg

S! Slate

HotelBushranger
07-11-2005, 02:39 AM
P-40's are the greatest planes ever made. No question. Think otherwise and I'll have you shot. (Dr Evil voice)

Ijnpilot
07-11-2005, 03:10 AM
Forgive me for being the devils advocate,but the reason why the P-40 gets such a bad rap is because it only takes a couple 7.7 rounds aimed at the nose to light it on fire. It is for this reason that when I am training offline I use it for target practice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

DeerHunterUK
07-11-2005, 03:50 AM
It couldn't of been a bad series of aircraft really. 35 Commonwealth pilots scored 5 or more confirmed kills in P-40s, the top scoring pilot being the Australian Clive Caldwell of 250 and 112 Squadrons who scored 20 confirmed kills.

Slater_51st
07-11-2005, 04:19 AM
Sixteen squadrons of Warhawks were in action in the MTO against the Luftwaffe's finest, and they destroyed 592 Axis aircraft. Sixteen pilots made ace on the P-40 in the MTO. If I remember correctly these P-40 weren't there as air superiority fighters, but did alot of duty as fighter bomber most of the time.

Any aircraft that gets the job done effectively and brings you home is a good aircraft. By those standards, the P-40 was a good aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! Slater

RNZAFJay
07-11-2005, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by DeerHunterUK:
It couldn't of been a bad series of aircraft really. 35 Commonwealth pilots scored 5 or more confirmed kills in P-40s, the top scoring pilot being the Australian Clive Caldwell of 250 and 112 Squadrons who scored 20 confirmed kills.

Yes along with Kiwi Geoff Fiskin, who was the top scoring Commonwealth pilot in the Pacific at 11 kills. Funnily enough he got 6 of them flying Brewster Buffalos out of Singapore.

ANZACs rock.

DeerHunterUK
07-11-2005, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by RNZAFJay:
Yes along with Kiwi Geoff Fiskin, who was the top scoring Commonwealth pilot in the Pacific at 11 kills. Funnily enough he got 6 of them flying Brewster Buffalos out of Singapore.

ANZACs rock.

Ahh that's interesting Jay, according to my source Fiskin wasn't the highest scoring P-40 pilot in the Pacific (although he was the joint top New Zealander with Newton of 17 Sqn RNZAF). The highest scoring Commonwealth P-40 pilots was Whittle and Waddy who both shotdown 11 enemy aircraft. Some of these kills were scored in North Africa, but how many though I don't know.
My source is the book, Tomahawk and Kittyhawk aces of the RAF and Commonwealth.

Monty_Thrud
07-11-2005, 08:04 AM
Big P40 fan here also...does anyone have any info on the RAF and the P40..was it used in the ETO?...when did they get them?..what were they used for?...im wanting to use it in FMB

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RNZAFJay
07-11-2005, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by DeerHunterUK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RNZAFJay:
Yes along with Kiwi Geoff Fiskin, who was the top scoring Commonwealth pilot in the Pacific at 11 kills. Funnily enough he got 6 of them flying Brewster Buffalos out of Singapore.

ANZACs rock.

Ahh that's interesting Jay, according to my source Fiskin wasn't the highest scoring P-40 pilot in the Pacific (although he was the joint top New Zealander with Newton of 17 Sqn RNZAF). The highest scoring Commonwealth P-40 pilots was Whittle and Waddy who both shotdown 11 enemy aircraft. Some of these kills were scored in North Africa, but how many though I don't know.
My source is the book, Tomahawk and Kittyhawk aces of the RAF and Commonwealth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You could be right if they got some scores in Africa. Maybe I worded it bad, Fiskin was the highest scoring Commonwealth pilot "against the Japanese" from what I read, and half of those weren't in P-40's but in Buffalos out of Singapore.

Fiskin never fought anywhere else.

Firebird350HO
07-11-2005, 02:13 PM
The P-40 was probably the most underrated Allied fighter of the war. As other have already mentioned, historically it took on the Luftwaffe and Imperial Japanese air forces when they were at their strongest.

I recently read Don Lopez' Into the teeth of the Tiger. He loved the Warhawk and it's a great read on the CBI theater.

blakduk
07-11-2005, 09:25 PM
P40's certainly had a great reputation early in the war and immediately afterwards as well. Subsequent history seems to have forgotten them- they didnt feature in the BOB which meant the chance of prestige was lost from. The later airbattles over Europe were conducted at altitudes and ranges way beyond the limits of the aircraft.
Postwar not many glamorous movies were made that featured the hard, dirty work the P40 performed.
There's not doubt however that it was the most effective land-based plane the allies had early in the PTO. Among groundcrews its ease of maintenance was almost legendary- a very important factor given the climate they had to operate in.

RNZAFJay
07-13-2005, 03:11 AM
^yes. People under estimate the ease of maintance part I feel.

To my knowledge the P-51 couldn't be used in the pacific till it shifted further towards Japan and more temperate climates. Was it that or maintance? Anyway the Spit was in the pacifc too but needed special filters.

The P-40 however operated from the hot, humid Solomons and New Guinea, to hit and dry North Africa, to the miserable cold damp Aleatians with no real problems (I guess the cold might have been if starting my car on a cold morning is any comparsion).

I guess the ease of maintance is almost as important to the effectiveness of an aircraft as performance. It aint gonna do much good if it cant get off the ground now is it?

I heard the Ki-61s (another aircraft I love) was in New Guinea but the ground crews had such probelms maintaning the liquid cooled engines that they weren't much of a threat to the allies. However the story was different in Japan were there were lots of parts, skilled ground crew and the weather wasnt so bloody hot!

(well its summer now here in Japan, and I almost dont believe that last part, and its only just got started!)

EmKen
07-13-2005, 03:23 PM
I hear your love up to the P-40, but the reason that P-51's and Spitfire's weren't released to the Far East was that the ETO was considered the primary theatre. The Far East was a sideshow conducted on islands and in countries that most Anglo-Saxons could barely pronounce. It certainly wasn't a result of a McKinsey style management consultancy -those poor f****** who got to fly "inferior" planes were considered expendable.

Martin

Chuck_Older
07-13-2005, 03:30 PM
Well, I'd argue that the ARMY got some inferior planes in the 'Far East' (since you include islands that are hard to pronounce, i assume you mean places like Tulagi and Ichi Jima), but a sideshow it was not- the Marines and Navy were there, too.

How many Marine units landed on Normandy on June 6th, 1944? None- they were in the Pacific

the US Army didn't go it alone in the Pacific, and Japan was felt by the majority of Americans to be the primary enemy. Even if you take the stand that in the CBI, the US Army did more or less go it alone (with RAF of course), I would still say that no place but China was a sideshow- the Japanese were still the enemy in the CBI, and they were priority #1 in the minds of most Americans as enemies

The strategy of the war, however, dictated that while Germany might not need Japan, japan needed Germany to draw off US military (And UK Military) might, germany didn't need Japan- so germany was dealt with first, to strangle Japan