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darkhorizon11
04-10-2005, 08:15 PM
It's probably a pipe dream now but at one time wasn't there a Ta-152C-O in the works?

Maybe someone could wet my appetite and post some pics? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
04-10-2005, 08:49 PM
harti it so um http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

dont think we will get it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Skalgrim
04-11-2005, 02:50 AM
i remember oleg comments, he say ta-152c is faster and climb better as dora9


that means ta-152c is dora with mk108 and faster speed with better climb,

no think we get she not,

now dora9 with mk108 would be a beast

think dora11 or dora13 would be enough for p47 and p51,


many love ace pilots comments,


Chuck Yeager had say, dora was best piston engine plane he had ever fly

jagdmailer
04-11-2005, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skalgrim:
i remember oleg comments, he say ta-152c is faster and climb better as dora9


that means ta-152c is dora with mk108 and faster speed with better climb,

no think we get she not,

now dora9 with mk108 would be a beast

think dora11 or dora13 would be enough for p47 and p51,


many love ace pilots comments,


Chuck Yeager had say, dora was best piston engine plane he had ever fly <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Harti did do the Ta 152C-1 & Ta 152C-3 models for FB/AEP/PF.

C-1 had 1 X Mk103 30mm motor-kanone + 2 MG151/15 cannons over the cowl + 2 X MG151/15 cannons in the wing roots.

C-3 had 1 X Mk 108 30mm motor-kanone + 2 X MG 151/20 cannons over the cowl + 2 X MG151/20 cannons in the wing roots.

Those would have been beasts at low altitude.

As far as I know, both were rejected last fall for issues with modeling. That is about the last I heard from Harti and I have not seen him around since.

After the Ta 152Cs were done late summer 2004, we did try to get Harti to modify the current Fw 190D-9 into a D-13 as there is data out there for it with the restored D-13 in Seattle but Harti was long gone by then.

I myself would have loved a D-14 with DB603LA or D-15 with the DB603EB or DB603G engine with MW50 such as Fw 190D-15 W.Nr 500645 as DB603 was the preferred engine for late Dora & Ta by Mr. Tank himself.

Jagd

horseback
04-11-2005, 10:10 AM
Yeager said nothing of the kind about the Dora. He did say that it was the best fighter the Germans had, but not in the same class as the Mustang.

By the by, if we're going to get into Luft '46 scenarios, you have to add in the US & British fighters that were in the production lines at mid-45. How do the Hawker Fury, P-51H, and F8F Bearcat sound to you Luft fantasy boys?

We actually have real, valid flight performance data on those types.

cheers

horseback

JG53Frankyboy
04-11-2005, 10:24 AM
and another topic is fading away ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

btw, my opinion: Ta152C i realy not needed in game

p1ngu666
04-11-2005, 10:53 AM
oleg could make tempest mark VI (6) and maybe I easily with the super model he has now
i think anyways.

if he chose there would be lots of 470mphish fighters about

jarink
04-11-2005, 11:32 AM
I would rather see more flyable aircraft that saw lots of action (Spit I, II and XIV, Tempest, Typhoon, Do17/217, Ju88G, Bf-110C, Hs-129, Hs-126, anything Italian or French, more early-war Japanese, plus the ever-popular carrier-based torpedo planes of all nationalities) than another late-war fighter that was produced in limited numbers and would really only be usable in hypothetical '1946' scenarios.

goshikisen
04-11-2005, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jarink:
I would rather see more flyable aircraft that saw lots of action. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad someone can't rehabilitate that Typhoon model that Harti started. There's an airplane tailor made for the IL2 environment.

jagdmailer
04-11-2005, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jarink:
I would rather see more flyable aircraft that saw lots of action. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad someone can't rehabilitate that Typhoon model that Harti started. There's an airplane tailor made for the IL2 environment. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya I would have loved the typhoon for sure at least as AI. The more targets - the better as far as I am concerned.

Jagd

darkhorizon11
04-11-2005, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Yeager said nothing of the kind about the Dora. He _did_ say that it was the best fighter the Germans had, but not in the same class as the Mustang.

By the by, if we're going to get into Luft '46 scenarios, you have to add in the US & British fighters that were in the production lines at mid-45. How do the Hawker Fury, P-51H, and F8F Bearcat sound to you Luft fantasy boys?

We actually have real, valid flight performance data on those types.

cheers

horseback <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not a Luft fantasy boy. Just inquiring since I heard one was in the works. I'd love to have a Sea Fury, Meteor, and Vampire...

Oh, and I've seen Harti's name around here before what happened to him?

goshikisen
04-11-2005, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Oh, and I've seen Harti's name around here before what happened to him? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he went the way of Luthier. Supposedly he took on a bunch of 3D modelling projects (important aircraft that would have made IL2 even more spectacular than it already is... case in point - Typhoon) and either didn't have the skill or the time to follow through. Highly unfortunate.

LEXX_Luthor
04-11-2005, 09:32 PM
pingus:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>if he chose there would be lots of 470mphish fighters about <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
470mphish ... impish planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

p1ngu666
04-11-2005, 11:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
pingus:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>if he chose there would be lots of 470mphish fighters about <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
470mphish ... impish planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

and forgotten wooden wonder (none left http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif!)

http://www.russian.ee/~star/air/england/havilland_hornet.html

http://www.newzeal.com/aviation/DH/DH103HornetF11.jpg

faster,better ROF, longer range than a griffon spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

aprently a cool trick it could do, do a loop on both engines, then feather one, another loop, feather other prop, and loop... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Badsight.
04-12-2005, 04:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Yeager said nothing of the kind about the Dora. He _did_ say that it was the best fighter the Germans had, but not in the same class as the Mustang.

By the by, if we're going to get into Luft '46 scenarios, you have to add in the US & British fighters that were in the production lines at mid-45. How do the Hawker Fury, P-51H, and F8F Bearcat sound to you Luft fantasy boys?

We actually have real, valid flight performance data on those types.

cheers

horseback <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you havent really paid attention to the modeling news over the last 3 years have you

is this your standard reaction when you post or what

FA_Whisky
04-12-2005, 08:54 AM
how about asking for a plane that actually was used in some numbers.

Daiichidoku
04-12-2005, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
pingus:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>if he chose there would be lots of 470mphish fighters about <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
470mphish ... impish planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

and forgotten wooden wonder (none left http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif!)

http://www.russian.ee/~star/air/england/havilland_hornet.html

http://www.newzeal.com/aviation/DH/DH103HornetF11.jpg

faster,better ROF, longer range than a griffon spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

aprently a cool trick it could do, do a loop on both engines, then feather one, another loop, feather other prop, and loop... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


yea..the mossie's slimmer, more nubile, oh-so sexy younger sister mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VAAAANsadpj2C5LtWMmsZQqh3SHqmLrIibOdrDnf0bfopd1R3 C6ceq2ILPAj45rHjLa9pMBmkZqWqUPm1gYQw*t!1z*SWjxu5rx Q7O*iOaJKgaEbyj2D6G2uT8LetbuI/80_sqdn_hornets_6.jpg?dc=4675517953015719559

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TgABA88Yl*ItLagyjRHfmNorUtvGOdzndq*cILcUUljcDtrgT BE71k3QJXv0Xv9ErlTbvmdMNWSt*DSep9aibj1qQrrOCPNp4zi G5t7shUwllMPeBFaolA/feathered_a.jpg?dc=4675517953017680928

ugly thimble nose version getting what it deserves

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAAABsX2HKF2enSovfsuBS4fWoiVRvOyhNBVHXlmQHOBctdQ UV69SfhwjixvW7Sz3TKFmQCq3bWI3lhJenzCuYNCQ*rV*fUyZg um8W5XO82bcAzUhLCag/oops_a3.jpg?dc=4675517953020539467

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http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgABAx0XXnO0auwv3LLXwRW7Yo2WXf0Zpx3xzoG73zqCtxkJE Vhwg3NI534KNS*RUf5cmm9DgTrs!Jrm*UV6fPD3EM4TIg3uJSq E9oyu40xyVJH0qLMEew/oops_c3.jpg?dc=4675517953023598438



ok, heres my fantasy prop type

the relativly little known type, but regarded as probably THE very best single engine fighter type that COULD have been, the MB (Martin-Baker, yes, that Martin-Baker) 5

griffon engine, contra rotating props, 4X 20mm
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgBOHHoW6EeBgUhdQy1kWhv12UpgsKR4h92weG1euSEyTn3N3 UnnZ!euNYpl1cNUmr6UAHbyVj7BqZj6EpUEHU2Q!q9uT5On!68 rfU4SoiapS8uL0V61Dw/fot0640.jpg?dc=4675517953019048954

jagdmailer
04-12-2005, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
pingus:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>if he chose there would be lots of 470mphish fighters about <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
470mphish ... impish planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


That slimmed down Mosquito looks like an ugglier version of the Me 410B.

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/me410b_ep_ext1.jpg

Jagd

and forgotten wooden wonder (none left http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif!)

http://www.russian.ee/~star/air/england/havilland_hornet.html

http://www.newzeal.com/aviation/DH/DH103HornetF11.jpg

faster,better ROF, longer range than a griffon spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

aprently a cool trick it could do, do a loop on both engines, then feather one, another loop, feather other prop, and loop... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


yea..the mossie's slimmer, more nubile, oh-so sexy younger sister mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VAAAANsadpj2C5LtWMmsZQqh3SHqmLrIibOdrDnf0bfopd1R3 C6ceq2ILPAj45rHjLa9pMBmkZqWqUPm1gYQw*t!1z*SWjxu5rx Q7O*iOaJKgaEbyj2D6G2uT8LetbuI/80_sqdn_hornets_6.jpg?dc=4675517953015719559

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TgABA88Yl*ItLagyjRHfmNorUtvGOdzndq*cILcUUljcDtrgT BE71k3QJXv0Xv9ErlTbvmdMNWSt*DSep9aibj1qQrrOCPNp4zi G5t7shUwllMPeBFaolA/feathered_a.jpg?dc=4675517953017680928

ugly thimble nose version getting what it deserves

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAAABsX2HKF2enSovfsuBS4fWoiVRvOyhNBVHXlmQHOBctdQ UV69SfhwjixvW7Sz3TKFmQCq3bWI3lhJenzCuYNCQ*rV*fUyZg um8W5XO82bcAzUhLCag/oops_a3.jpg?dc=4675517953020539467

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAsAxwXG3Of9wLmeKfYpNtlClcTFs6mflMfM3d7DFYR6gwU! RhHiEFwmsL0!xpGPA7tOg7jmhC3XmduxwbrzVVNe2EndDbGvXc LGeL!IX3P*bhNdlT15Q/oops_b3.jpg?dc=4675517953022055431

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgABAx0XXnO0auwv3LLXwRW7Yo2WXf0Zpx3xzoG73zqCtxkJE Vhwg3NI534KNS*RUf5cmm9DgTrs!Jrm*UV6fPD3EM4TIg3uJSq E9oyu40xyVJH0qLMEew/oops_c3.jpg?dc=4675517953023598438



ok, heres my fantasy prop type

the relativly little known type, but regarded as probably THE very best single engine fighter type that COULD have been, the MB (Martin-Baker, yes, that Martin-Baker) 5

griffon engine, contra rotating props, 4X 20mm
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgBOHHoW6EeBgUhdQy1kWhv12UpgsKR4h92weG1euSEyTn3N3 UnnZ!euNYpl1cNUmr6UAHbyVj7BqZj6EpUEHU2Q!q9uT5On!68 rfU4SoiapS8uL0V61Dw/fot0640.jpg?dc=4675517953019048954 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LEXX_Luthor
04-12-2005, 06:54 PM
I *knew* when somebody said "mossie" oversize pics would get posted...

but...this time its oversize click links and not oversize pics.

Jag, can you make those click links into short click labels? Thanks.

Badsight.
04-12-2005, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FA_Whisky:
how about asking for a plane that actually was used in some numbers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>how about we get to use the planes that didnt get made

how about we get the planes that have hardly ever been seen in CFS games

how about we lose the bias that is "they hurt the sim" when its really up to coop & DF hosts

darkhorizon11
04-13-2005, 01:09 AM
Actually this plane was within a few weeks or two of seeing combat. It was approved by the RLM for production and was allocated and everything. The war just ended too soon.

In fact all of the uber LW planes in the game flew at one point or another and were very close to seeing combat with the exception of the 109Z. But the Z was ready to fly before many of the jets were its prototype was just destroyed in an air raid thats all.

Not to say all aircraft that WERE used should be dropped for the Luft 46 scenario. However to ignore all these aircraft is also quite unfair.

jagdmailer
04-13-2005, 09:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Actually this plane was within a few weeks or two of seeing combat. It was approved by the RLM for production and was allocated and everything. The war just ended too soon.

In fact all of the uber LW planes in the game flew at one point or another and were very close to seeing combat with the exception of the 109Z. But the Z was ready to fly before many of the jets were its prototype was just destroyed in an air raid thats all.

Not to say all aircraft that WERE used should be dropped for the Luft 46 scenario. However to ignore all these aircraft is also quite unfair. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I have not seen concrete proof yet, there are several accounts of at least 2 Ta 152Cs delivered and used in combat in the last weeks of the war. Also, the factory was overun with several Ta 152C basically ready to be handed over to operational units, giving some additional strenght to those accounts.

Funny things is that NASM Werk-Nummer 150020 Ta 152H-0 which was used in combat with JG301 was discovered to have the MG151 cannon guns and fitting over the engine cowling by the restoration staff in 1998, which indicated that this particular airframe was likely destined at some point to become a C variant.

Jagd

darkhorizon11
04-13-2005, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Actually this plane was within a few weeks or two of seeing combat. It was approved by the RLM for production and was allocated and everything. The war just ended too soon.

In fact all of the uber LW planes in the game flew at one point or another and were very close to seeing combat with the exception of the 109Z. But the Z was ready to fly before many of the jets were its prototype was just destroyed in an air raid thats all.

Not to say all aircraft that WERE used should be dropped for the Luft 46 scenario. However to ignore all these aircraft is also quite unfair. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I have not seen concrete proof yet, there are several accounts of at least 2 Ta 152Cs delivered and used in combat in the last weeks of the war. Also, the factory was overun with several Ta 152C basically ready to be handed over to operational units, giving some additional strenght to those accounts.

Funny things is that NASM Werk-Nummer 150020 Ta 152H-0 which was used in combat with JG301 was discovered to have the MG151 cannon guns and fitting over the engine cowling by the restoration staff in 1998, which indicated that this particular airframe was likely destined at some point to become a C variant.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting. It is possible. Another intriguing thing I've heard is that about 30 or so He-162 jet fighters were allocated to a Luftwaffe teenager squadron as Goering had planned about a month or so before the war ending. Meaning that they most def. did see more extensive usage than most people think. Too bad all records of this were destroyed. Although letting inexperienced pre-pubescent kids fly a high performance fighter jet isn't exactly reassuring...

Daiichidoku
04-13-2005, 10:10 PM
no details at the moment...

but do an internet searchj on the 162 and its easy to find...

but the 162 were actually given to experienced pilot, AFAIK JG 400 or something, staioned near Leck, Germany

116 built, 50 active....probably shot down 1 P 51
the Salamander was rarely used....the more common name was "Nervenklau", or "nerve stealer"...cuz boy, did this bird steal ones nerves

the He 162 was designed built and flown within 69 days, even faster than the XP 80

an excellent design, except that the inlet/wingroot junction caused high drag

was originally going to get Mk108s, but recoil too much

p1ngu666
04-13-2005, 11:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Actually this plane was within a few weeks or two of seeing combat. It was approved by the RLM for production and was allocated and everything. The war just ended too soon.

In fact all of the uber LW planes in the game flew at one point or another and were very close to seeing combat with the exception of the 109Z. But the Z was ready to fly before many of the jets were its prototype was just destroyed in an air raid thats all.

Not to say all aircraft that WERE used should be dropped for the Luft 46 scenario. However to ignore all these aircraft is also quite unfair. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I have not seen concrete proof yet, there are several accounts of at least 2 Ta 152Cs delivered and used in combat in the last weeks of the war. Also, the factory was overun with several Ta 152C basically ready to be handed over to operational units, giving some additional strenght to those accounts.

Funny things is that NASM Werk-Nummer 150020 Ta 152H-0 which was used in combat with JG301 was discovered to have the MG151 cannon guns and fitting over the engine cowling by the restoration staff in 1998, which indicated that this particular airframe was likely destined at some point to become a C variant.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

think i heard that fw190 factories where chucking anything together they had on hand at the end. parts supply was really dodgy, so they used what they had...

think it was fabric and metal control surfaces, but guess its true of other bits too

IL2-chuter
04-14-2005, 12:42 AM
The NASM 152 did have some fittings for MG151's in the upper cowl but no evidence they were ever installed (for instance, there are no gun ports). It also has outboard wing gun bays and doors (like on the A models) but had never had anything fitted there either. I've only seen pictures of one other 152H with that feature that I can recall at the moment. It also has a wooden tail, one of two fitted. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

IL2-chuter
04-14-2005, 01:02 AM
I had pics of 152H OTBD wing gunbays (maybe only two aircraft, no known guns installed) handy . . . cowl of 388 (upside down) and wing of Rex (for the curious) . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The doors (and flaps and tail and a couple of other doors) are wood. Stringers cut out of bay for clearance and a couple of small empty holes (pilot holes?) in structure (for gun mounts?). Would need to change wing leading edge gear trunnion panel for one with port.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/IL2chuter/img010.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/IL2chuter/img009.jpg


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif My pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sorry for HiJack - http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

darkhorizon11
04-14-2005, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
no details at the moment...

but do an internet searchj on the 162 and its easy to find...

but the 162 were actually given to experienced pilot, AFAIK JG 400 or something, staioned near Leck, Germany

116 built, 50 active....probably shot down 1 P 51
the Salamander was rarely used....the more common name was "Nervenklau", or "nerve stealer"...cuz boy, did this bird steal ones nerves

the He 162 was designed built and flown within 69 days, even faster than the XP 80

an excellent design, except that the inlet/wingroot junction caused high drag

was originally going to get Mk108s, but recoil too much <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The JG400 flew the Me163. The JG301 was the only squadron (that I know of) that really used the Ta-152H-1 much, like I said every synopsis I've read of the C-0 stated that it was approved for production but the war ended before it was flown in combat. On the other hand records from that point in the war are scattered at best so it is possible some were used.

As for the 162, the incident your referring too def. did happen, although I've heard I've also heard it wasn't a Mustang but a Spitfire or Hawker Hurricane? Either way it shot down at least one plane. But there was an entirely seperating Hitler Youth squadron that I'm aware of that actually recieved the planes in early April 1945 almost a month before the war was over. All records of this squadron I'm pretty sure have been lost.

RedNeckerson
04-14-2005, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Yeager said nothing of the kind about the Dora. He _did_ say that it was the best fighter the Germans had, but not in the same class as the Mustang.

horseback <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


pffft, Dora not in the same class as the Mustang?

My azz.

Badsight.
04-14-2005, 10:47 PM
i read the Salamader bagged a Tempest possibly as its sole kill of WW2

just goes to show how one website uses data & it gets altered as other sites use the same data during the quoting

JG52Karaya-X
04-15-2005, 08:43 AM
What I REALLY would like to see is a Spanish Civil War addon...

with Bf109B and Cs, I15s, early I16s, early Heinkel 111s, early Ju87s and lots of others - you know, after all in the Spanish Civil War almost every nation was present as far as warplanes are concerned

A "Battle of Europe" addon (covering the Battle of France, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, etc) would also be a killer!

darkhorizon11
04-15-2005, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
i read the Salamader bagged a Tempest possibly as its sole kill of WW2

just goes to show how one website uses data & it gets altered as other sites use the same data during the quoting <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats what it was, a Tempest thanks! I first saw it on the history channel although I take everything on their with a grain of salt anyway.

There definitely was a SCW add-on in the works at some point. Somebody posted about it 6 months or so ago and a link was put up. Plane and everything were in the works, I don't know about maps though. I guess the best we can hope for now is if it evolves for BoB.

jarink
04-15-2005, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Although letting inexperienced pre-pubescent kids fly a high performance fighter jet isn't exactly reassuring... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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