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josephs1959
08-31-2007, 11:47 AM
Isn't there a "sound patch" out there to download? And exactly what does it do or improve? Does it affect the game in any other way? Where can I get it?

Choctaw111
08-31-2007, 12:08 PM
I don't know where you heard about this but there is no sound patch available. The only time the sound might be changed is in an official patch. The latest patch is 4.08.

AFJ_rsm
08-31-2007, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111: The only time the sound might be changed is in an official patch.


Are you sure about that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

FluffyDucks2
08-31-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
I don't know where you heard about this but there is no sound patch available. The only time the sound might be changed is in an official patch. The latest patch is 4.08.

You is wrong....be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Swivet
08-31-2007, 12:50 PM
2 weeks from next year http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

DKoor
08-31-2007, 01:02 PM
Sound patch? +1

flox
08-31-2007, 01:35 PM
It would certainly be nice! Many are of the opinion (myself notwithstanding) that many or most of the sounds in this game are somewhat lacking.

neural_dream
08-31-2007, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by josephs1959:
Isn't there a "sound patch" out there to download? And exactly what does it do or improve? Does it affect the game in any other way? Where can I get it?
There have been sound patches from time to time, such as speech packages for specific nations etc, but no patch for the aircraft sounds. Which of the two do you want?

FluffyDucks2
08-31-2007, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by josephs1959:
Isn't there a "sound patch" out there to download? And exactly what does it do or improve? Does it affect the game in any other way? Where can I get it?
There have been sound patches from time to time, such as speech packages for specific nations etc, but no patch for the aircraft sounds. Which of the two do you want? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are WRONG. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Choctaw111
08-31-2007, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111: The only time the sound might be changed is in an official patch.


Are you sure about that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not allowed to talk about that here...remember? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

neural_dream
08-31-2007, 02:22 PM
Unofficial, made by fans.

Choctaw111
08-31-2007, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Unofficial, made by fans.
That's a delicate way to put it.

josephs1959
08-31-2007, 02:29 PM
ooops!

Bearcat99
08-31-2007, 03:36 PM
From the scuttlebutt I have recently heard there is some sort of sound mod out there.. I have not see it or heard it. It is my sincere desire that this will wind up representing Oleg & 1C taking advantage of a bad situation. Making the proverbial lemonade out of what could potentially be a very bad situation. It is my hope that whatever positive work has been done by whomever has done it will be incorporated into the next patch and then that the code will be re-encrypted once and for all.



Originally posted by flox:
It would certainly be nice! Many are of the opinion (myself notwithstanding) that many or most of the sounds in this game are somewhat lacking.


I just recently upgraded my sound from an Audigy 1 that I bought @ 6 years ago to a Xi Fi Gamer... and the sounds have improved... but better is always good and there is still room for improvement in that department.

Choctaw111
08-31-2007, 04:55 PM
That is a way to put a positive spin on things BC. I didn't think of it like that. From what I have heard, the sounds that the "modders" made were great. However I am not sure if Oleg has heard them, and if he has, will he take the time to put all that hard work into the next patch. One could only hope so seeing that the sound, regardless of who has other opinions, has definite room for improvement and it sounds like these "other fellas" may have done that, but again, who knows how great those "other sounds" really are.

Bearcat99
08-31-2007, 05:50 PM
I "heard" that when the code was hacked that set ther patch back because O wanted to try to re-inegritize (if there is such a word...) the sim to make that whole scenario and the potential ugliness that has ruined so many good sims moot. It would as I said.. in my opinion be a wise thing to incorporate some of those "improvements" into the sim as long as the ones who did them were willing to sign away all rights to monetary reward for it since it was done illegally anyway..... Does that make any sense? As I said.... all this is rumor and wishful thinking on my part.. I have not heard this.... modification...

BrotherVoodoo
08-31-2007, 05:59 PM
It is my hope that whatever positive work has been done by whomever has done it will be incorporated into the next patch and then that the code will be re-encrypted once and for all.

That is my hope as well. I would be tickled if it happened. 4.09 could be quite a treat if rumors hold true. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SG2_Wasy
08-31-2007, 06:17 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZr6faMv7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKff72ugHj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2FhocQsSQ

FluffyDucks2
08-31-2007, 06:18 PM
The word is ALLEGEDLY, that the alleged change which has allegedly been tried, apparently by individuals whom I may or may not know, that the alleged device is allegedly STONKING, possibly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

The problem is the way it has possibly, allegedly, been done http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

heywooood
08-31-2007, 06:32 PM
hacker thread! ban! lock!

I have sound patch...but don't know which eye to wear it over. hep me nah!

Bearcat99
08-31-2007, 06:46 PM
I thought about that.. but as long as no one posts any links I wont lock it. IMO to stick our heads in the sand and act tlike this hasnt happened is not the right way to handle it... but thats me.

Retrofish
08-31-2007, 06:58 PM
It is my understanding that the modders only can add sound samples. If that's how it works then where do these samples come from?

I'm all for new sounds. Just thinking Copyright here, which the modders probably don't worry about, and I doubt Maddox will touch these mods even with a firepoker.

Just speculating http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Jaws2002
08-31-2007, 07:01 PM
Someone posted at one of the forums i check some data files from the game, and when looking through it you realize that there are only FIVE engine sound files in the game.
That includes all the jets.
That's right all the planes in the game share those five engine sound files. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ronison
09-01-2007, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by Retrofish:
It is my understanding that the modders only can add sound samples. If that's how it works then where do these samples come from?

I'm all for new sounds. Just thinking Copyright here, which the modders probably don't worry about, and I doubt Maddox will touch these mods even with a firepoker.

Just speculating http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


And how do you copyright a sound? Simply put unless it is of musical nature.... (originally composed) you can not copyright sound. If that were the case many times you would have to get permission to just start your engine to your car, turn on the blender in your house, unclog your toilet with a plunger etc.....

Viper2005_
09-01-2007, 04:17 AM
So you're saying that a Merlin isn't a musical instrument?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif <span class="ev_code_red">Heretic!</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Retrofish
09-01-2007, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by ronison:
And how do you copyright a sound?

Heh, yes I realize the difficulty in this. My point is that the modders most likely use sound samples from other games/sims, and no matter how hard it is to determine where the samples are from, I just doubt that Maddox & co ,or any developer for that matter, would use recordings they don't know the source of.

Anyway, my thoughts may just be a 'fart in a bottle', but this is what stirred them up:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/retrofish/b25wav.jpg

From my own cfs3 installation and not from any Il2 mods, btw.

anarchy52
09-01-2007, 05:47 AM
1) Sound mod exists (haven't tried it though). Anyway from what I've read it is just a proof of concept rather then some extensive improvement.

2) It is done "unofficially" since il-2 does not have an API or the means to create mods, be it as simple as adding new squadrons (personally it drove me insane) or creating new aircraft.

3) Mod can not be used online because it relies on modified .exe to load game content from file system rather then .SFS archives. Anti-cheat measures were introduced with the 4.08 patch which allegedly prevent the usage of any mods online.

4) I hope Maddox will not go against the grain and release modding tools to community and thus bring new life to Il-2 (SoW seems to be a long way in the future anyway).

5) Most of the panic mongers on this forum fear the altering of FM. I'm more concerned about more subtle cheats like radar etc.

6) FM parameters have been indeed opened "unofficially", and they are an interesting read . Some basic data has already been identified as probably incorrect (Ta-152C wing area for example).

All in all, I would welcome the opening of Il-2 for modding. Old farts will probably remember the 1% planes for CFS2. Now we come to the question how to introduce the mods without causing mass hysteria? Technologically, it's rather simple - each mod would have to be signed so all players in the game will have the same mod. If someone makes a Pony that out turns Spitfires or FW-190 with 4 50mm cannons, well...they're free to do it, but nobody will play it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Devs should embrace the mods, I hope that is what they are spending their time on, rather then trying to come of with yet another futile attempt to obfuscate the code.

B16Enk
09-01-2007, 05:57 AM
Re: copyright.

Sound files do have a finger print/signature.

If the sounds the modders made are from a copyrighted work then they could be identified, and copy right enforced.

That said, the youtube examples were impressive and show the current sounds to be the weakness they are.

anarchy52
09-01-2007, 06:04 AM
As for copyright issues, I agree that modders tend to be careless, however, that is not Maddox's concern, just as winamp is not responsible for mp3s you download illegally from the internet.

Codex1971
09-01-2007, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by SG2_Wasy:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZr6faMv7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKff72ugHj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2FhocQsSQ

Absolutely Awesome!!!!

Swivet
09-01-2007, 08:55 AM
the only sound patch your gonna hear is me cursing those uber axis planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

FluffyDucks2
09-01-2007, 09:05 AM
As I tried to hint at earlier, the new sounds are pretty good(no more lawnmower noises). However how close they are to what you would hear IRL inside the confines of a cockpit etc, I have no idea.
There are also probs in that it changes all text to russian cyrillic at the moment.
Also as it messes with sfs files there is the added problem of how one would know if they had "messed" with other options like flight and damage models...for the meantime I can not see OM being either happy or willing to embrace this tinkering with HIS code http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Blood_Splat
09-01-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by SG2_Wasy:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZr6faMv7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKff72ugHj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2FhocQsSQ
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Hawgdog
09-01-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
One could only hope so seeing that the sound,


Priceless.

bigbossmalone
09-02-2007, 06:25 AM
All this talk of modding IL2 over the last few months, or even longer, got the better of me one day when I stumbled upon a reference to said mod files on some old forum somewhere. I decided to go and have a look to see what I could find. Lo and behold, I found the files in question, but NOT being a hacker/cracker/programmer type person, I have no idea how to use them. HAHA!! So, here I sit, for the past month or so, with the very subject of all the ruckus. Along with the 'mod' files was a sound file. Anyway, said files are resting peacefully on a disc, and NO! i am not going to refer to them in any way, I like this forum, 90% + 'decent' folk here, methinks, so I wouldn't like to be banned/frowned upon, or even worse...lose my karma points!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
From my side, I see the fears that Oleg and Co have, and very real fears they are, too.
On the other hand, I might like to 'mod' a few default things, such as skins, pilots, and maybe even sound...No way would I want to mess with this fine sim in any FM way (DM, maybe?)
Anyway, until such time as I feel it might not be an 'issue' anymore, I won't harp on about this. After 6+years of this sim, it is the only game/sim that I play virtually every day of my life! I've only recently discovered the joys of 'onlining' with IL2, but the reality is that I still spend 90% of my time offline, mainly in the FMB. As far as 'modding' might go, I would be tempted to want to mess with ground objects, like turning a GAZ truck into a Bedford truck - I'm sure Oleg wouldn't be too happy with that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Possibly, I've said too much already - lets hope this isn't my last post - but I do feel, as Bearcat mentioned, that we should be allowed to discuss these thoughts on the forum, as long as we stay within the rules of not posting any links to 'anti-Ubi/Maddox material'.Surely they could use the forums as a yardstick to find out what we, the end users, really want to be able to do. Here's what my first mod would be: A total conversion of all Russian ground units/vehicles, etc to UK units - ie. trucks, ambulances, the stuff which isn't in the game already, British destroyers, Corvettes, a few different merchant ships, etc.
'Nuff said! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

trumper
09-02-2007, 12:02 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I wish we had a choice of whether to mod the sounds or not as these links sound so much better.
I would like to have heard the Spitfire Merlin one from external as well as from internal.

Choctaw111
09-02-2007, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by trumper:

I would like to have heard the Spitfire Merlin one from external as well as from internal.

I was wondering the same thing.

SG2_Wasy
09-02-2007, 03:33 PM
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCZserrjgig

AFJ_rsm
09-02-2007, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by SG2_Wasy:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCZserrjgig


holy ****

splooge


that sounds uber badass (don't know about the exterior whistling though, is that realistic?)


also it'd be pretty interesting to hear how it sounds when you overcook the engine or it gets hit? Does the wav sound respond well to that?

Rjel
09-02-2007, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by SG2_Wasy:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCZserrjgig

Overall I think that sounds pretty good. The supercharger whistle didn't sound right to me, but the short harsh idle sounds the engine makes on the ground sound right. I think these mods would go a long way to resolving some of the sound issues this game has for me.

Kwiatos
09-02-2007, 04:19 PM
I could only say - shame for Oleg. I hear these unofficial sound mod and must say that it is great thing - these game have new life with it. Oleg many times said that something is not possible to do in his game ( accurate FM fixes, better sound ) but that was simple untrue if even layman (amateur) can do better sound in game that author.

These is about sound but how these game could be better if someone reliable just make better FM (ex shockwave team)?

Choctaw111
09-02-2007, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by SG2_Wasy:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCZserrjgig

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif HOLY COW!!!!! THAT sounds GREAT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Can you do one like that for the Spit?

Bearcat99
09-02-2007, 05:09 PM
I have never heard a 109 up close... I am curious tosee how this all pans out.

Jaws2002
09-02-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by SG2_Wasy:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCZserrjgig

This one is crappy, honestly. The supercharge sounds like a wistle.
I found one little film today that gaved me chills, was so good.
From you tube I don't know if the game was edited or just the sound in the film. Let me look for it.

Jaws2002
09-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vw7q60OWTI

I think the sound was edited only in the film not in the game.

Great edit anyway.

Viper2005_
09-02-2007, 05:23 PM
I heard (and saw!) Black 6 perform before she was retired, and I can say 2 things about the sound produced:

1) It's a very different sound from a Merlin or Griffon engined aeroplane, and it's easy to understand how people could identify enemy aircraft from the engine note.

2) Different doesn't mean less beautiful!

Capt.LoneRanger
09-02-2007, 05:23 PM
The sound mod is a crack, which is illegal - that's a fact. AFAIK it also only works for the Russian .exe and files.sfs, which will turn the game into the Russian version.


I also got to mention, that Oleg never said it was impossible to change the sounds in IL2. He only said that sounds are okay and it would be too much time to get other sounds into the game.

Now stealing sounds from another game and copying them into a cracked version of IL2 is surely a method for some individuals, but you cannot expect that Oleg could do this illegal act official with the same ease. For him to bring such sounds into the game would mean to record them for each plane! The workload would be tremendous.


And one word on 4.09: Thanks to the crack available the coding has to be reworked, which further postponed the release, though it was almost finished (AFAIK only one map needs to be completed). All valuable working hours that will be missed in Sow:BoB....

neural_dream
09-02-2007, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vw7q60OWTI

I think the sound was edited only in the film not in the game.

Great edit anyway.
He most definitely took the sound from an airshow. I doubt that we'll have such realistic sound in SoW.

VW-IceFire
09-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:
that sounds uber badass (don't know about the exterior whistling though, is that realistic?)
No idea on the interior but externally no it doesn't sound like that at all. I've heard in person the Bf109E that Russel Group in Niagara Falls Canada (real DB engine) and it doesn't sound like that. They are certainly getting there but the high pitched whistle is wrong...its more of a whine and its "less in your face" than the sound they have.

Still nice...see folks...don't need recorded sounds. Just good synthesized sounds.

Bearcat99
09-02-2007, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
No idea on the interior but externally no it doesn't sound like that at all. I've heard in person the Bf109E that Russel Group in Niagara Falls Canada (real DB engine) and it doesn't sound like that. They are certainly getting there but the high pitched whistle is wrong...its more of a whine and its "less in your face" than the sound they have.

Still nice...see folks...don't need recorded sounds. Just good synthesized sounds.

I have never hea5rd one.. but the whistle seemed a bit overdone to me... sounds interesting though.

Stiletto-
09-02-2007, 08:51 PM
I am currently creating sounds for a Hydroplane add-on for RFactor. This includes an Allison engine, I have to edit internal and external sounds throughout the rev band along with startup sounds(Sounds much better than the IL2 counterpart). The other engine is a turbine with a turbo-prop sound, and while it has been somewhat a challenge to get the prop sound correct, it sounds pretty good in the game.

It's a pitty that Il2 has so few sounds, if its true their are really only 5 main engine sounds for all the planes, I think I can think of them all in my mind, the BF-109 type sound, the Allison'sh sound, the Jet sound, the lawnmower I-16 sound, and I think a large radial sound. One of the worst things is how a 109 sounds like a FW-190 sounds like an La-5... The same sounds are being used for Radails and Inline engines.

I've also edited sounds for GPL, GTR2, N2K3, F1C.. And they are all the same... They either have a folder with .wav files in them, or they are packed in a dat file, and if you put a sound file in the same directory as the dat with the same name, it looks for it first before the dat file.

Why can't Oleg invoke this method? Original files would be intact, and you could mix and match the sounds you like without corrupting the encrypted Maddox files. I don't think it would take to much editing to allow the game to read files from a folder first, and if you only let it look for sound files, you wouldnt have a load of online cheating problems arise.

SG2_Wasy
09-02-2007, 10:53 PM
bmwVI(aka BMW132, M-105, VK-107)
bristol-mercury
DB605(DB60*, BMW801, Ha45, IAR engine)
Jumo211
M-82(M-82, Pratt&Whitney, wright-Cyclone)
Jet
rollsroyce (merlin, allison)
Am38 (35)

Rinreiber
09-03-2007, 05:30 AM
I want new Sounds like this!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

neural_dream
09-03-2007, 08:18 AM
FFS am I the only one who doesn't want anything from IL2 and doesn't care about hackers, crackers, cheaters and whatever is plaguing it? Just make the ******* SOW.

Choctaw111
09-03-2007, 09:18 AM
I am sure that Oleg is perfectly capable, and will greatly improve the synthesized sounds in BoB. Just seeing and hearing those YouTube movies shows what can be done with synthesized sounds. There are not many AC being put into Storm of War and a great amount of time is going into each one of them, to include sound so I am sure that much time will go into making sure that the sounds will be much improved. I just cannot wait till be get an update where we can actually hear what BoB will sound like. We have seen some of what it will look like and that has been improved for the Pre-Alpha stuff. I try not to think about it but my mind always wanders back to thinking about how great BoB will be.

grifter2u
09-03-2007, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by Stiletto-:

I've also edited sounds for GPL, GTR2, N2K3, F1C.. And they are all the same... They either have a folder with .wav files in them, or they are packed in a dat file, and if you put a sound file in the same directory as the dat with the same name, it looks for it first before the dat file.

Why can't Oleg invoke this method? Original files would be intact, and you could mix and match the sounds you like without corrupting the encrypted Maddox files. I don't think it would take to much editing to allow the game to read files from a folder first, and if you only let it look for sound files, you wouldnt have a load of online cheating problems arise.

that would be a good solution for the current il2 problem.

oleg doesnt have to provide new sounds for il2 and waste his time on it, and current users can replace the sound files with whatever they want. all oleg needs to do right now is close the current file hack, so we are sure online play is fair.

waffen-79
09-03-2007, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
FFS am I the only one who doesn't want anything from IL2 and doesn't care about hackers, crackers, cheaters and whatever is plaguing it? Just make the ******* SOW.

Just a late Typ of Me-410 and that's it! BE SURE

SG2_Wasy
09-03-2007, 10:10 AM
spits
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=0HSWbYrqkc0

Jaws2002
09-03-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by SG2_Wasy:
spits
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=0HSWbYrqkc0

I'm not impressed.

trumper
09-03-2007, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I have never heard a 109 up close... I am curious tosee how this all pans out.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I have ,and this is what they sound like,i did'nt take this but i did take my own video of them,happy memories, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
That sound mod is soo much better than the stock one,shame Oleg won't listen,or will he.
I must admit i was'nt impressed with the Spitfire BUT it proves it can and should be done.

Choctaw111
09-03-2007, 06:40 PM
The Merlin is ok but the startup and other things just seem to have something missing. The DB on the 109 was quite good I thought but someone mentioned about the turbocharger whistle. I have seen a 109 already and I know you can hear the whine but I cannot remember if it is that loud. Is it?