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tmdgm1
06-10-2004, 08:43 PM
I just played the same dgen mission 10 times trying to take off in a brewster b-239 in a full fledged thunderstorm. Every time I tried to hit the throttle, the damn plane went straight off to the right and off the run way. I can only assume this was from a massive crosswind as it never did it again, and I replayed this mission 10 times and all ten times, the same result.

I tried full left rudder, locking and unlocking the tail wheel, no go. The only way I could keep it on the runway was to accelerate slowly, apply full left rudder with some brakes, and some left aileron. But too much aileron and rolling over she went to boom.

Again, since it was in a thunderstorm, I can only assume this was a massive crosswind. Is there any guide to taking off with a massive crosswind like this? I couldn't do it, and I actually have a PPL, so crosswind takeoffs and landings are not unfamiliar to me, well, a taildragger is somewhat.

tmdgm1
06-10-2004, 08:43 PM
I just played the same dgen mission 10 times trying to take off in a brewster b-239 in a full fledged thunderstorm. Every time I tried to hit the throttle, the damn plane went straight off to the right and off the run way. I can only assume this was from a massive crosswind as it never did it again, and I replayed this mission 10 times and all ten times, the same result.

I tried full left rudder, locking and unlocking the tail wheel, no go. The only way I could keep it on the runway was to accelerate slowly, apply full left rudder with some brakes, and some left aileron. But too much aileron and rolling over she went to boom.

Again, since it was in a thunderstorm, I can only assume this was a massive crosswind. Is there any guide to taking off with a massive crosswind like this? I couldn't do it, and I actually have a PPL, so crosswind takeoffs and landings are not unfamiliar to me, well, a taildragger is somewhat.

VW-IceFire
06-10-2004, 09:46 PM
Well the best way is simply to use rudder. Yes its essentially the massive crosswind causing you the grief.

Check your rudder sensitivity and your controls. I have a twist grip on my Precision 2 joystick so I use that to varrying degree's to steady the plane.

Also, don't apply power to quickly...the other thing I guess I need to check is the Brewsters takeoff characteristics in a thunderstorm.

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RAAF_Edin
06-10-2004, 09:59 PM
Very hard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif but somehow I make it

Now seriously, full rudder is the only way and yet it is very twitchy to take off like that. I try to lift the tail ASAP then it is much easier to see and steer with rudder. Also, good amount of flaps is better... and apply power very gradually as wind and torque added to gether can spin you in a split of a second http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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WTE_Galway
06-10-2004, 11:34 PM
remember to lock the tailwheel

thunderstorms are one of the few times in the game locking the tailwheel actually does anything useful

Osirisx9
06-11-2004, 03:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
remember to lock the tailwheel

thunderstorms are one of the few times in the game locking the tailwheel actually does anything useful<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crosswinds takeoffs. Here is the proceedure.
1) Lock the tailwheel
2)advance the trottle slowly. The key is to remain in control of the aircraft at all times.
3)If you are taking off in a right crosswind, you need to have your ailerons into the wind. (You need right ailerons. The wind will try to blow you off the left side of the runway. By adding right aileron your lift vector would be into the wind.
4) Use your rudder. In this case you would want to use right rudder. The purpose of the rudder is to keep the nose of their aircraft aligned with the runway centerline after the tailwheel come off the ground. The turning to the right that you are experiencing is the aircraft wheathervaining in to the wind.
5) Once the aircraft is airborn set crab the aircraft into the wind at an angle that will keep you on runway heading until you have enogh altitude to begin normal manuevers.
6) Two key things to remember about crosswind takeoffs : Use the ailerons to prevent drift, and use the rudders to align the nose of the aircraft with the runway centerline.

Bearcat99
06-11-2004, 03:24 AM
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SeaFireLIV
06-11-2004, 03:34 AM
It`s also murder for the poor I16 (similar to B239 in some respects). I get the massive push to the right also and even today i`ll crash on take off.

The only way i`ve done it successfully is hard right rubber. No locking tailwheel, cos they isn`t one on the I16! Still using hard right I`ll hold my brakes, full flaps, power up to around 40% - 50% and let her rip!

Often she`ll level out and fly straight and then I`m ok.

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ELEM
06-11-2004, 03:56 AM
Remember your PPL training? It's the same for taildraggers as trikes. This might help..

http://avsim.com/geoffschool/airlinecourse/crosswinds.htm

Dont forget the wind side wing will want to lift so give it some UP aileron to counteract that, as well as the full rudder. Also, point as into wind as possible even if it means going diagonally across the runway.

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tmdgm1
06-11-2004, 08:57 AM
Thanks for the info, but I am applying full rudder into the wind. I tried some aileron, but the thing just flips over with any aileron. Prety tough.

Tully__
06-11-2004, 09:07 AM
Rudder, LOTS of throttle to get rudder authority, & in some planes a bit of diffrential braking (brakes + rudder = differential brakes, just like in real Russian & British WW2 era warbirds).

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Woof603
06-11-2004, 10:33 AM
In RL: Stand on the brakes, crank full aileron into the wind, apply TO power, release brakes, keep straight with rudder, get the tail up as soon as possible, adjust aileron as necessary. Correct for drift as soon as airborne. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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