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VF-3Thunderboy
04-25-2004, 11:58 AM
Hi, Im looking for a cheaper alternative to a 64 bit $2000+ rig, and for 500.00 bucks a top of line Dell might do fine. They have the 865, or 875 chipset.P4 800MGhz FSB, 400 Memory.and they would be a WELCOME upgrade!

Anyone running a Dell 4400-4600,or 8300 with good luck and no complaints?

VF-3Thunderboy
04-25-2004, 11:58 AM
Hi, Im looking for a cheaper alternative to a 64 bit $2000+ rig, and for 500.00 bucks a top of line Dell might do fine. They have the 865, or 875 chipset.P4 800MGhz FSB, 400 Memory.and they would be a WELCOME upgrade!

Anyone running a Dell 4400-4600,or 8300 with good luck and no complaints?

LuckyBoy1
04-25-2004, 12:17 PM
Post this question in community help. My experience with Dell was decidely negative.

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Taylortony
04-25-2004, 01:21 PM
I run a 2 gig 8200 and has 1024 mb 400hz rambus on board, upgraded the gforce 3 to a 5900 fx xt 128mb and it runs in perfect mode fine, nice and smooth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif the gf3 would run it too but very jerky next best setting was smooth on it though.. so yours will be a higher spec, never had a prob with Dells and i am a return sucke...errr, customer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif well satisfied... If you can get more memory you want about 500 min on xp and a 1000 would be the icing on the proverbial,.... 2000 would be the cream on that all served by a buxom wench http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and a good graphics card in it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Korolov
04-25-2004, 07:58 PM
While I haven't owned a Dell myself, everyone I know that has gotten one, has had a very bad experience with it.

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lbhskier37
04-25-2004, 08:08 PM
for $500 its not quite top of the line. If you get it with a 2.8ghz chip, 1gb of ram, and Radeon 9800Pro video card it will be pretty nice and do quite nicely, but that will up the price from $500 a lot. Dells are fine, if you reformat them imediately after opening the box and install widows without all the garbage they give you preinstalled.

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fordfan25
04-25-2004, 08:39 PM
the pc i have now is a dell and iv had it for about 2 1/2 years now. so far iv had no probs with it. if your looking for a mainly gameing pc with good upgrade potentel have one made at a shop near you. how ever you probly wont be able to make payments like you can from dell but in a few years when you need to up grade it wont cost you near as much. basicly a dell is like a chevy drive it till it start smokeing <about 3 years http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif>and then through it away and get a new one.

heywooood
04-26-2004, 09:56 AM
I bought a Dell in 2001 Dimension 8100

I was told it would be upgradeable 100%

Was not told about the proprietary motherboards however... kinda critical info that would have affected my decision to buy.

See - If you want to upgrade the processor from 1.2 you need to upgrade the Mobo too.. but with Dell you can only upgrade to a 1.8 chip as they have no plans to reconfigure a board to accept anything better. I would never have bought from Dell had I known - and I will never give them another cent.... and I wont even tell you how many calls i had to make - or how long I
waited on hold over the 3-4 days it took to finally get someone that comprehended what I
was asking for to give me a straight answer.


Dell computers< crap

fordfan25
04-26-2004, 10:24 AM
thats just what i was talking about. i have a 1.6 its upgradeble to a 2.0 and to go higher means a new mobo. and that will only take to a 2.4 after that id have to buy a new case and power supplie ect.dells are great for nongameing but the only resone to buy a dell is if your like me and dont have the cash on hand to right out buy a pc you can make payments. of course though youll be paying for it long after its so outdated it wont play new games anymore.my advice is ether buy on from ibuypower or some company like them or have one built. 2 years from know youll thank yourself.or you can be like me and weep into your pillow at night at the thoughts of not being able to play p.f http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

heywooood
04-26-2004, 10:58 AM
Fordfan...

what kills me the most is that when I placed the order and asked the rep. specifically whether or not this would be an issue I was assured that it would not be a problem to upgrade the cpu regardless.

And I had no trouble changeing the soundcard
the video card and adding more memory and a second hard drive.. but the key item?... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

sugaki
04-26-2004, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-3Thunderboy:
Hi, Im looking for a cheaper alternative to a 64 bit $2000+ rig, and for 500.00 bucks a top of line Dell might do fine. They have the 865, or 875 chipset.P4 800MGhz FSB, 400 Memory.and they would be a WELCOME upgrade!

Anyone running a Dell 4400-4600,or 8300 with good luck and no complaints?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Had positive experiences with the last couple of Dells I dealt with. It should be more than enough to run PF, so long as you have a good graphics card.

Get a 9800pro for like $200, and you should be able to run most games fine.

64-bit computers are still new, and while they will outperform in the future, OSs and programs have yet to optimize usages for it, so better to hold off.

-Aki

fordfan25
04-26-2004, 12:41 PM
i know haywood i got the same line "o yes you can upgrade this like any other"thay will tell you any thing just to get you to buy thay do work off comision.when i got mine it came with 256 ram and a crapy gforce2 card i asked her if that was a fast up to date card"i was VERY new to pc's"and she was makeing out like it was the best thay had. this was only 2 years ago.i couldnt even play f.b untill i went to the 9500pro and dubbled my ram.those sales reps wont even lube you first if you get my meaning.mine was 1200$u.s then and iv still got 2 years left to pay on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gifdells are good p.cs just not as a gameing focused system.at 500.$ the one he states that he wants might be a good deal sense hell get a full set up monitor kboard ect.but if he already has a pc and just needs a faster one just have 1 built.this can be a tough hobbie for any one with limated $$$$$

heywooood
04-26-2004, 01:35 PM
fordfan -

I am a salesrep.. and what was done by Dell is considered disreputable if not illegal.

I too was un-initiated where computers were concerned back then, but you and I did ask the right question. I have since asked a friend of mine who knows more about the law to contact Dell..so far it looks like a class action thing if they in fact misled others this way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif but this is the wrong venue to discuss that.

LEXX_Luthor
04-26-2004, 03:51 PM
You tell em heywood.

If I recall correctly (?) Back around 2000 there was an "issue" with Dell having Intel make special "dell" motherboards that could not accept industry standard power supplies but worked off a "dell" power supply and when many upgraded at home to a new mobo the "dell" power supply fried their new mobos. You had to upgrade to one of the Intel "dell" mobos--keeps you from straying from the Corporation lol. All straight up and legit but they have stopped doing that now. Don't know what else they are doing don't care I always get a computer built at a local shop in town.

In fact when I first got into computers I would browse the magazines looking for what I wanted to buy--a pre~built computer--and I read too much lol cos I finally learned to go with local shops (find a good one though).

My story is I finally settled with a start~up shop run by surfer dudes. Their first "office" was the top floor of a very old rental house. What sold me was I am always asking Questions (ask Gibbage or DJDalton or Fehler lol) and the surfer dudes sat down and started teaching me all about computers like no other shop would. Anyway when I finally finished my reading (actually you never finish) I made a Deal that I wanted no warranty as long as they let me into their shop (by then in an office in strip mall) and they would let me put it together from scratch. I had ordered my own case and got it ready. Took it to their shop, and they let me put it together in back office. When I had Questions they helped me. Turned out perfect. I also brought some of my own tools, but I had to use theirs too (like tweezers) so I learned what tools you need. Walked out with no warranty, never needed it or them ever again lol. Although I did buy memory upgrades and stuff from them for a year or two until they went folded. There is only one computer shop left in town. They have all the business now including building computers for city and county governements.

Yes, go local shop. They will build what you want and the service is in town. For internet or network problems they come to your house lol. -- And they don't have mangled telephone support touchtone Menus but real people to talk to and they live in your town.

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heywooood
04-26-2004, 04:12 PM
Yes Lexx -

I have a small shop here in my town all lined up for the new rig..

You were lucky to have those guys bring you in like that. Nice.

I wish I had taken the time - 'cause Dell sure taken my money. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

fordfan25
04-26-2004, 04:53 PM
and still is takeing mine grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
im kinda thinking of going to the shop in my town this week to have one built but have no idea what to get.

VF-3Thunderboy
04-26-2004, 11:24 PM
If your paying Dell too much, get a Credit Union Credit card with a lower rate, and (15% pay it off that way. Youll save a couple Hundred!
Im looking on e-bay, so they look cheaper than building new, and Im thinking New, I want 64 bit. My Dell cant quite handle what I want from CFS2 (800 mgz) and PCI vid card. Its ok, but not the best.

With all the upgrades neccesary, I might just be better off going with a Homebuilt. But in 6 mos. prices should drop anther $100.00 or so for a new Dell 4600, or 8300.They do have a good chipset, 800 FSB, 400 mem, etc. IE: pretty top of line, for what you pay for. A new homebuilt one would be about double. And Im not done with CFS2, or FB / Ill2 Sturmikov! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

necrobaron
04-27-2004, 01:22 AM
I run a Dell 4550 2.66Ghz,512MB RAM,Radeon 9700,etc. and have had no problems. My experience with Dell has been decidedly positive. Our modem fried last summer,and we had a new one literally the next day free of charge(Warranty). I'm not exactly computer saavy,but I haven't been disappointed thus far.

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Eagle_34
04-27-2004, 01:57 AM
I have a Dell Dimension 8100 and it has worked fine for me, not a single problem, nothing has broken down or needed repair.
So i can't really comment on there customer support.

But i do know the 8100 is a hard beast to upgrade, you can really only go so far untill you need a new MOBO and power supply and such.

If you just want a easy fully configured computer at a reasonable price go with Dell, if you want to upgrade every year or so go with a local shop or build your own.

btw if your buying this computer to be able to play a certain game that isn't yet released wait untill it is released, no point in upgrading for PF when it's not even out in the shops.
You never know with the games they almost always end up getting delayed.

Eagle_34
04-27-2004, 02:09 AM
one more thing if you want to play flightsims the most important part is your processor get the highest possible, videocard and memory usually aren't a major problem to upgrade.
But upgrading processors can be a major pain.

I use a Geforce 3 and as far as graphic quality goes i have no problems playing FB.
So if you can buy a stronger processor by sacrificing the videocard or memory i would suggest you do.

512mb RAM and a geforce is enough for FB.
But as far as processors go, get the highest possible it would have the most effect on FPS.

Obi_Kwiet
04-27-2004, 06:36 AM
500$ will not buy a top of the line system. It will get you something that will give you exelent with 4fps. Intell integrated video card with no AGP slot. For a half way decent Dell expect to spend 1300$, and I built the folling for the same ammount: 64 3200+ R9800pro 128MB, Aoudigy 2, Scorpian raidmax case, Asus K8V dulex mobo, and 512 MB of PC 3200, and nice 19 inch flat CRT moniter. YOur a whole lot better builing your own, and its real easy. Buy off of www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com). :-D

VF-3Thunderboy
04-27-2004, 07:08 AM
Yea, I think me wait for the newer sims to come out!See what flies and what doesnt! But thats almost a year....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ZG77_Nagual
04-27-2004, 08:23 AM
Problem is you get into flight simms and start dinking around with your PC it gets to be time to start building your own. If you are concerned about upgrading and so forth you have to consider that a new generation of mainboards - pci express - and chipsets is just around the corner. The latest nvidia card requires a 465watt power supply. Pci express will be a new standard and will replace agp as a video card interface. If by upgradeable you mean able to drop in a new cpu you need to be sure you know what chipset the board has. Right now you can get a good machine that'll run FB very well pretty cheap - but I'd be thinking more in terms of replacement than upgrade down the road.

CornbreadPattie
04-27-2004, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZG77_Nagual:
Right now you can get a good machine that'll run FB very well pretty cheap - but I'd be thinking more in terms of replacement than upgrade down the road.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


what system would that be?

Also guys, tell me if this is good to run FB and the future PF.

This is what I chose from ibuypower.com:

Case ( Standard ATX Mid-Tower Case w/350W Power Supply [no side window] Beige )
Power Supply ( Standard Case Power Supply )
Processor ( AMD Athlon XP 2500+ QuantiSpeed CPU [512K L2 Cache] )
Processor Cooling ( Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink )
Motherboard ( Asus A7N8X-X w/Audio, LAN, USB 2.0 8x AGP Motherboard )
Memory ( 512 MB Dual Channel [256MB X2] DDR-400 PC3200 Memory Module Major Brand )
Video Card ( Nvidia Geforce-FX 5900-SE 128MB w/DVI + TV Out 8x AGP Video )
Hard Drive ( 40 GB HARD DRIVE 40 GB 7200 RPM Ultra ATA-100 Hard Drive )
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive ( 52x24x52 CD-RW Drive Beige )
Sound Card ( 3D Wave Stereo Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( Cintre 600W PMPO (RMS: 16W) 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System )
Network Card ( 10/100 Network Onboard )
Floppy Drive ( Mitsumi 1.44 MB Internal Floppy


If this is real good then, I'll buy it.

fordfan25
04-27-2004, 02:40 PM
looks good to me u might want to bump up that power supplie to 400 though from what i hear the newer gcards need the extra power

CornbreadPattie
04-28-2004, 12:21 PM
awesome, thanks for the input