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rnzoli
11-15-2006, 09:11 AM
First, try to spot the problem itself, I think there are enough clues on the screenies.

Second, select the appropriate answer from below or post other explanations.

Just for fun, remember? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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rnzoli
11-15-2006, 09:11 AM
First, try to spot the problem itself, I think there are enough clues on the screenies.

Second, select the appropriate answer from below or post other explanations.

Just for fun, remember? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SlickStick
11-15-2006, 09:21 AM
Do I give it away and ruin the multitude of interesting responses you may receive or do I wait? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Sent you the reason in PM.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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midgie
11-15-2006, 09:25 AM
it's not a bug it's a 'feature' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rnzoli
11-15-2006, 09:27 AM
@SlickStick - PM is correct. I suggest to wait a little more, but you got it. What have you responded on the poll? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

@midgie - sure, but you need to explain, how that can be seen as a feature, i.e., give us a reason to see at least 1 advantage of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SlickStick
11-15-2006, 09:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
@SlickStick - PM is correct. I suggest to wait a little more, but you got it. What have you responded on the poll? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I voted for "I'm not a Fanboii..."

As it really doesn't cause any performance implications, I put this in the same category as all Bf-109s having square wing tips and tails in their shadows, no matter which variant you fly. Fun for nostalgia's sake, but not a show stopper. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fighter_966
11-15-2006, 09:50 AM
Its not a bug Thats realistic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

PF_Coastie
11-15-2006, 09:51 AM
LOL, Out of fuel but reacts to mixture change at altitude......definately small bug!

You can also still use brakes when doing an emergency landing with no gear! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
11-15-2006, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
LOL, Out of fuel but reacts to mixture change at altitude......definately small bug!

You can also still use brakes when doing an emergency landing with no gear! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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midgie
11-15-2006, 10:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">@midgie - sure, but you need to explain, how that can be seen as a feature, i.e., give us a reason to see at least 1 advantage of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No explanation is needed the perfection of IL2 is absolute. The infallable Oleg can make no error and his software can contain no 'bugs'. Any variances between patches must be accepted through doublethink as both equally perfect.

This truly is a test of a fanboi's faith.



p.s. I thought maybe reducing mixture allowed you to use a bit more fuel but PF_Coasties explanation seems to make sense although such blasphemous comments as "definitely small bug!" should not be tolerated.

Old_Canuck
11-15-2006, 12:01 PM
Your post implies that a fanboy is defined by a belief in the perfection of the sim. Contrarily, as a self-confessed fan of Oleg and Team's artistry I would argue that most of what you derisively label "fanbois" are a silent majority who acknowledge that this genre of art is necessarily a work in progress and we are simply enjoying/supporting it while it yet lives. Rock on IL2 .. still the best flight sim ever compiled. So sayeth the Fanboy.

For comparisons sake, consider the best movie you ever enjoyed. It suspended your disbelief - as IL2 often does - but a careful eye can pick out flaws such as a jet contrail during a crucifiction scene or the same cars being overtaken several times during a high speed chase scene. It was the overall effect of the movie that suspended your disbelief and made it the best movie you ever saw. I dare say there will never be a perfect flight sim (Microsoft proves this with every release) but what flight sim do you know of with as long a run in popularity as IL2?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AKA_TAGERT
11-15-2006, 12:30 PM
Not sure... Let's ask raaaid<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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joeap
11-15-2006, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Your post implies that a fanboy is defined by a belief in the perfection of the sim. Contrarily, as a self-confessed fan of Oleg and Team's artistry I would argue that most of what you derisively label "fanbois" are a silent majority who acknowledge that this genre of art is necessarily a work in progress and we are simply enjoying/supporting it while it yet lives. Rock on IL2 .. still the best flight sim ever compiled. So sayeth the Fanboy.

For comparisons sake, consider the best movie you ever enjoyed. It suspended your disbelief - as IL2 often does - but a careful eye can pick out flaws such as a jet contrail during a crucifiction scene or the same cars being overtaken several times during a high speed chase scene. It was the overall effect of the movie that suspended your disbelief and made it the best movie you ever saw. I dare say there will never be a perfect flight sim (Microsoft proves this with every release) but what flight sim do you know of with as long a run in popularity as IL2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I still voted for the last choice anyway.

Xiolablu3
11-15-2006, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Your post implies that a fanboy is defined by a belief in the perfection of the sim. Contrarily, as a self-confessed fan of Oleg and Team's artistry I would argue that most of what you derisively label "fanbois" are a silent majority who acknowledge that this genre of art is necessarily a work in progress and we are simply enjoying/supporting it while it yet lives. Rock on IL2 .. still the best flight sim ever compiled. So sayeth the Fanboy.

For comparisons sake, consider the best movie you ever enjoyed. It suspended your disbelief - as IL2 often does - but a careful eye can pick out flaws such as a jet contrail during a crucifiction scene or the same cars being overtaken several times during a high speed chase scene. It was the overall effect of the movie that suspended your disbelief and made it the best movie you ever saw. I dare say there will never be a perfect flight sim (Microsoft proves this with every release) but what flight sim do you know of with as long a run in popularity as IL2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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stathem
11-15-2006, 01:13 PM
Not a bug.

The HUD text just tells you the position of the mix lever - you can still move the mix lever even if the enigine is off, innit.

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MLudner
11-15-2006, 01:15 PM
A small bug.

Silly mistake, but considering the mass of data involved in programming a game like this no big deal.

There's also a sound effect missing from the game and I think that a more glaring omission.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MLudner
11-15-2006, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
Not a bug.

The HUD text just tells you the position of the mix lever - you can still move the mix lever even if the enigine is off, innit.

Do I win a prize?

No. You will notice that in shot 1 the engine - which is off and out of fuel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - is trailing smoke because the mixture is too rich.

In shot 2 he has reduced the mixture to 60% and the engine has stopped trailing smoke.

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JG7_Rall
11-15-2006, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
Not a bug.

The HUD text just tells you the position of the mix lever - you can still move the mix lever even if the enigine is off, innit.

Do I win a prize?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this would be the case if there was no smoke contrails behind the aircraft. because of the mixture being too rich at that alt, smoke/oil/gas/whatever is leaking out. as the mixture is adjusted to its proper amount, those trails go away, indicating that fuel is still going to the engine.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG7_Rall
11-15-2006, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
Not a bug.

The HUD text just tells you the position of the mix lever - you can still move the mix lever even if the enigine is off, innit.

Do I win a prize?

No. You will notice that in shot 1 the engine - which is off and out of fuel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - is trailing smoke because the mixture is too rich.

In shot 2 he has reduced the mixture to 60% and the engine has stopped trailing smoke.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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MLudner
11-15-2006, 01:33 PM
Minutes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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11-15-2006, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
Not sure... Let's ask raaaid </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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AKA_TAGERT
11-15-2006, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
Not sure... Let's ask raaaid </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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stathem
11-15-2006, 03:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
Not a bug.

The HUD text just tells you the position of the mix lever - you can still move the mix lever even if the enigine is off, innit.

Do I win a prize?

No. You will notice that in shot 1 the engine - which is off and out of fuel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - is trailing smoke because the mixture is too rich.

In shot 2 he has reduced the mixture to 60% and the engine has stopped trailing smoke.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah sorry, not paying attention. Been a long day. I thought the first shot was as the engine stopped.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mrsiCkstar
11-15-2006, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> but what flight sim do you know of with as long a run in popularity as IL2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't wanna argue but F4 comes to mind. Since 1998 and still doing pretty good.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Old_Canuck
11-15-2006, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> but what flight sim do you know of with as long a run in popularity as IL2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't wanna argue but F4 comes to mind. Since 1998 and still doing pretty good. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not looking for arguments either. I learn more by asking these questions. "Since 1998" is not too shabby. Haven't tried it but the screenshots look ok.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
11-15-2006, 08:15 PM
Though the quote below is obviously the only answer if part of the 1c FanBoi/goil army of which I want to be an officer......Clearly though the tanks are empty there is still a small amount of fuel left in the lines and occasionally sloshed to the feed pick-ups in the tanks....Naturally if using an electric fuel pump, that bit of fuel is fed to the cylinders where the raw fuel simply burns due to the carbon build up from running to rich it still hot, exaust valve open so with no compression generating the smoke....If you reduce the mix, you reduce the flow, it not enough to make a heavy trail of smoke yet is still there............Your lack of faith keeping you from seeing it just as you will see 5 fingers when I hold up 4 soon enough Winston Smith...


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No explanation is needed the perfection of IL2 is absolute. The infallable Oleg can make no error and his software can contain no 'bugs'. Any variances between patches must be accepted through doublethink as both equally perfect.

This truly is a test of a fanboi's faith.



p.s. I thought maybe reducing mixture allowed you to use a bit more fuel but PF_Coasties explanation seems to make sense although such blasphemous comments as "definitely small bug!" should not be tolerated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WWMaxGunz
11-15-2006, 08:47 PM
More code could have been written to better detail a direct aspect of the sim.
Out of fuel condition does not flag off at least one engine effect.

I'm more bothered when a guage isn't working right (any still not fixed?) than eye candy I can
blow off. But it's a soft-bug among a lot on a long to-do list if they knew back before the
DVD data had to go to press and packaging in time for release in Russia... about 2 weeks?

Rnzoli, would you push some poor overworked programmer back into that mass of spaghetti-code?
Well... you know there was also the announced last patch after the DVD release.........

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11-15-2006, 10:57 PM
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11-16-2006, 12:00 AM
Sorry, code exceed of game limitations, be sures! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Feathered_IV
11-16-2006, 12:41 AM
I'm far too cool to participate in this thread. Oh,...darn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-16-2006, 01:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
Not sure... Let's ask raaaid </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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rnzoli
11-16-2006, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Rnzoli, would you push some poor overworked programmer back into that mass of spaghetti-code?
Well... you know there was also the announced last patch after the DVD release......... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Max, you know I wouldn't. Otherwise I would have posted in ORR. It's not a showstopper at all, I have indicated this right from the start in the title of the thread.

I was just trying to show, that there are still basic, easily correctable bugs remaining in the sim. This is good to keep in mind when we start nit-picking 1000 times more complex FM and DM issues.

The only problem here is that the code forgets to check whether the engine is running or not. A simple IF line missing. The empty fuel tanks make the effect more dramatic, especially when you increase mixture, the fuel trails start up again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Now imagine the looks on my face when I saw that... something like this:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif


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BOA_Allmenroder
11-16-2006, 07:10 AM
Looks to me like we have the makings of another full real coop server mission. The first side to skywrite 'fanboi' with engines off wins........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

rnzoli
11-16-2006, 05:33 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif That's creepy, how did you guess so well? In fact, I was testing a special mission for the coop server, when I found this anomaly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But it wasn't about skywriting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The idea was to set up an energy-retention exercise, "Battles of the Gliders", 2 aircraft of same type and armament starting at 6000m, guns hot, but no fuel. In this situation, E-aware combat is outstandingly important, because the E-budget is fixed and have to be used very economically, when making the "energy for angle" decisions.

I dropped the idea because sometimes the propeller stops right in front of the gunsight, also, playing against AI ace is no fun, they are very E-aware and will glide efficiently.

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MLudner
11-16-2006, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
I'm far too cool to participate in this thread. Oh,...darn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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DmdSeeker
11-16-2006, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:

The idea was to set up an energy-retention exercise, "Battles of the Gliders", 2 aircraft of same type and armament starting at 6000m, guns hot, but no fuel. In this situation, E-aware combat is outstandingly important, because the E-budget is fixed and have to be used very economically, when making the "energy for angle" decisions.

I dropped the idea because sometimes the propeller stops right in front of the gunsight, also, playing against AI ace is no fun, they are very E-aware and will glide efficiently.

Anyhow, if someone is interested to play such mission with a friend, let me know and I will upload it. Glider combat rules, no worries about overheating http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not as far fetched as it sounds. I seem to remember the LW had plans for a combat glider to be towed above the bomber streams. The idea was that the plane should have enough smash for two attacking runs and glide to base.

More than anything else the isea of a "disposable" fighter where the only strategic materials used would be the guns and ammunition seemed to appeal to high command.

Could be a fun mission. If you do it in thed Russian rocket plane then there's no worries about where the prop stops.

ElAurens
11-16-2006, 11:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
If you do it in the Russian rocket plane then there's no worries about where the prop stops. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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rnzoli
11-17-2006, 07:37 AM
What I could do: I take the map of online islands, and above each island there will 2 airplanes of the same type, 6km up, ~ 1 km apart, armed and weapon set locked, no fuel, merging (slowly). The winner is the one, who shoots the other one down, or, lands later on the airfiled below.

I think there are 12 or 16 islands, so it will be possible to have all popular aircraft types in the same mission. The propellor is not such a big problem, with these slow gliding speeds (200-250 kph), it's easy to aim even when partially covered by the blade. Moreover, at higher speeds, the propellor turns a little, which can get it out of the sight.

Excellent gliders can even visit the airspace of the neighbouring island and shoot some other type of aircraft up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Covino
11-17-2006, 09:22 AM
Why do the aircraft in IL-2 stream smoke/oil or whatever when running with improper mixture anyway?
I've had my motorcycle engine both lean and rich at one point or another and though performance was affected, I never saw any smoke.
I only know that deisel engine may smoke when running with an improper mixture and in that case, it's white smoke.

rnzoli
11-17-2006, 03:24 PM
the special glider combat mission is uploaded, server "102nd COOP ded" on HL, use

DSC MAP glider

command to request this mission and have a good laugh.

Regarding the trail, I am not sure what is coming out of the exhause pipes, but certainly it has to do with the altitude. have to be above 3-4 km. Running a rich setting on ground level won't leave any trail in IL2 either.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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IL2-chuter
11-17-2006, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Covino:
Why do the aircraft in IL-2 stream smoke/oil or whatever when running with improper mixture anyway?
I've had my motorcycle engine both lean and rich at one point or another and though performance was affected, I never saw any smoke.
I only know that deisel engine may smoke when running with an improper mixture and in that case, it's white smoke. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I hear that! I've flown fixed mixture aircraft so high I could smell the gasoline blowing out the exhaust and I don't recall seeing any smoke trail as I was spiraling . . . I guess being a game you have to have some sort of clues for various things.

And of all the things in this game one has to pick on . . . this has to be the most meaningless . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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