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Darknest
02-18-2008, 10:36 PM
I came across an aviation safety report that compiled the top causes for General Aviation single-engine piston accidents. While reading this report, I thought about how all my virtual flying stacks up against the real-life statistics.

"Fuel Starvation": running a perfectly good engine out of fuel. This actually ranks very high in real life. I've done this virtually a few times, exclusively when doing a strike mission after doing a point-defense scramble mission where I had reduced my fuel load to <25% for performance. Otherwise, it only happens after I've been shot at http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif In RL it looks like it often happens when the pilot fails to switch tanks, something that is not often modeled in our sims.

"Spatial disorientation": basically losing track of up versus down due to weather or darkness and spiralling into the ground or over-G the airframe and breaking up. This also ranks pretty high in real-life, but I've never had it happen in virtual flying. In modern sims, there's that nice HUD pitch ladder and "*****ing betty". In WW2 sims, the instruments never fail, are always set properly, and I've found it pretty trivial, using the altimeter and attitude indicator to keep the plane level at a certain altitude.

"Maneuvering flight": This seems to be a "catch all" for anything besides straight-and-level cruise, including takeoff and landing. It's also high on the RL list, but I think it's a pretty broad category. This is probably my #1 cause of virtual airplane losses. I've spun lots of airplanes in stall fights; gotten into turnfights below 1000 feet and dragged a wingtip; dropped a fair share of airplanes into and off the ends of carriers; and clipped a tree, building, and APC or two in low-level ground missions.

Gear up landings: this actually happens in real-life from time to time, and seems an incredulous thing to forget. In all my virtual flying, I've only forgotten to lower landing gear ONCE. It was a P-51 after a long BOORING CAP mission and I was sleepy, and I put that P-51 right down on the runway gear up. I've never done it since.

Mid-air collisions: this actually ranks fairly low in RL. In virtual flying, it happens to me during formation flying and in head-on merges. It's a virtual impossibility with icons on; and even playing with icons off, I've never been surprised and slammed into someone just cruising along.

Hard landings: The RL reports show "loss of directional control" after hard landing, or "porposing" by landing hard on the nose gear. I get a chuckle from NTSB reports that say the cause was "collision with runway". In sims though, I've never "porpoised" a landing, or bounced one. The plane either plants itself, blows up, or the landing gear break off. I've actually never ground-looped a taildragger after landing in sims, but I have gotten a prop strike by tapping the toe brakes.

How do the rest of you compare?

Gringo_UK1
02-18-2008, 10:49 PM
Defective pilot is my no.1 cause of aircraft loss, followed closely by incompetent pilot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif ,getting shot down is fairly rare as I've normally had a close encounter of the 5th kind (crashing into ground) long before i get into the range of the enemys guns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Skoshi Tiger
02-18-2008, 11:25 PM
My wifes cat (I refuse to take ownership of it!) was sitting on my monitor, as I was flying on line last night, when suddenly it leapt to the floor and started retching and vomiting on the floor. No matter how many times I screamed 'NO!' the foul beast refused to obey! ( Sorry gents on teamspeak!)

By the time I had scooped the useless furry thing onto a tiled surface my plane was a burning twisted mess somewhere in Finland.

Cats and aeroplanes don't mix!

R_Target
02-18-2008, 11:34 PM
Down on the deck, you can fly through the visible trees, but the invisible trees kill you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

skarden
02-19-2008, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:
Down on the deck, you can fly through the visible trees, but the invisible trees kill you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

+1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

GH_Klingstroem
02-19-2008, 01:09 AM
Collision during high speed BnZ is my nr1!! When my target makes a move that takes him straight into my path. I Usually engage with a 400-500km/h speed advantage and start firing only at 200-150m so there is not much time for evasives... 99.9% of the times it works perfectly!

Capt.LoneRanger
02-19-2008, 01:16 AM
#1 - invisible trees

I stopped counting them, but it's one of the most common reasons for me, to end my virtual life. Even worse than the invisible forests are the invisible trees in towns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

hobnail
02-19-2008, 01:33 AM
I'd have to say sudden and catastrophic reduction of wing quantity resulting from high-G/High velocity pull-outs.

Gets me every time.

Pirschjaeger
02-19-2008, 02:13 AM
Lag + high speed dive = restart

Mercanario
02-19-2008, 02:26 AM
collisions with Ai wingmen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

OMK_Hand
02-19-2008, 02:44 AM
Survived a tough mission, managed to get home, only to drive into a AAA pit whilst exiting the runway. Doh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

X32Wright
02-19-2008, 02:54 AM
For me it must be 'CHAT TYPING'!!!

This is the number one killer for me either I get damaged during typing or I get killed instantly.

Almost never from running out of fuel because I always take 50% fuel for all my flights.

I also never had a problem with landing even with the infamous 109 landing gear.

I do get killed flying stupidly and sometimes being complacent and underestimating the enemy ENERGY level.

Vanderstok
02-19-2008, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Darknest:


"Spatial disorientation": basically losing track of up versus down due to weather or darkness and spiralling into the ground or over-G the airframe and breaking up. This also ranks pretty high in real-life, but I've never had it happen in virtual flying. In modern sims, there's that nice HUD pitch ladder and "*****ing betty". In WW2 sims, the instruments never fail, are always set properly, and I've found it pretty trivial, using the altimeter and attitude indicator to keep the plane level at a certain altitude.


This is an interesting one. I've just finished reading the book "The Big Show" by Clostermann. He describes how he ended up after some violent maneuvres (dogfight) in a cloud. He didn't have a clue how his aircraft was oriented, because all the instrument dials would still be spinning around. In IL2, your instruments will always work perfectly under any conditions which isn't very realistic.

Pirschjaeger
02-19-2008, 03:04 AM
Ha ha ha, yes, chat typing sucks.

At 4000m I look up and back and see a bogie coming in from high.

In the excitement I often shutdown my engine when I typed "i". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Then everyone wonders why I'm suddenly diving.

"Fritz, did you run out of fuel?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

X32Wright
02-19-2008, 03:21 AM
This is exactly WHY my keyboard short cuts are now remapped. Anything essential like ENGINE START and REFLY/BAIL is done with multiple key strokes or is mapped on the stick so I wont ever BAIL or shutdown engine because I am typing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But yeah TYPING KILLS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Next to the UBER FLAK at 6K meters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Uncle_Stranger
02-19-2008, 03:39 AM
#1 Aircraft carrier landings -landing with my improvised rudder pedals is frustrating
#2 Mid-air collisions - because you never know when there is guy behind you, whom he didn't hear for machine guns


This is about it.

sakai2005
02-19-2008, 03:44 AM
faulty bomb release at mission start.


stuck throttle at mission start.


ai with no ai.

gizmo60
02-19-2008, 03:48 AM
as they say..

practice practice practice

i am now becoming expert at all of the above

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Siwarrior
02-19-2008, 04:20 AM
remember kids

typing kills flying skills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


other than that

taking off on russian grass >< http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Billy_BigBoy
02-19-2008, 04:38 AM
#1. Bail out when I want to retract the gear, they are both mapped under the same button on my x-45. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
#2. The kids in bed calling their dad while on-line. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif
#3. Beer spilled over the keyboard. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
#4. The cats climbing into my legs. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Wepps
02-19-2008, 05:02 AM
Gravity.

Bremspropeller
02-19-2008, 06:00 AM
Invisi-trees?
Maybe a graphics-card issue? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I've been "killed" by Microsoft software latele pretty often.
Was like "fly from Vancouver to Frisco, without timewarp, as your menu's shot it's own".
When I was out of KSFO like three/four miles on final, I pressed "w" for a better vis and my system just hung up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I was like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif for quite some time...

Worf101
02-19-2008, 06:15 AM
My biggest killers are not remembering which P-38 DOESN'T have dive brakes.

Forgetting to use dive brakes on the one that does.

Bombing with "close up" view on. I provides you with a real close up view alright, right until you run right into whatever your bombing.

Da Worfster

Bremspropeller
02-19-2008, 06:16 AM
Bombing with "close up" view on. I provides you with a real close up view alright, right until you run right into whatever your bombing.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

+1

Friendly_flyer
02-19-2008, 06:59 AM
Stall out and spin while trying to get enemy off tail at low altitude.

buzzsaw1939
02-19-2008, 07:21 AM
Trying to get off the runway after landing with one engine out, and no restart! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

BOA_Allmenroder
02-19-2008, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
Stall out and spin while trying to get enemy off tail at low altitude.

Same here.

"Maintain thy airspeed!
Lest the Earth Rise up and Smite Thee!"

HayateAce
02-19-2008, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Ha ha ha, yes, chat typing sucks.

At 4000m I look up and back and see a bogie coming in from high.

In the excitement I often shutdown my engine when I typed "i". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Then everyone wonders why I'm suddenly diving.

"Fritz, did you run out of fuel?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Set "i" plus a modifier key, works like a champ.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.halfords.com/wcsstore/HalfordsConsumerDirect/images/catalog/400-302695.jpg

mortoma
02-19-2008, 08:07 AM
For me it's being called away for some reason and thinking I hit the pause key but maybe it didn't engage because I had the map up. If you are looking at the map, a lot of other functions cease. Or thinking I got the so-called "auto-pilot" engaged but maybe I didn't hit the A key good enough. Then when I come back, a smoking crater greets me.

Other than that, I seriously have only very rare non-combat crashes. If I did it would worry me, because I used to fly real planes and crashing in a freeking sim would be an ego bruiser. My ego can't handle it if I have less than a perfect three point landing in any of the 200 or so flyable tail draggers. And in the few tricyclers, I get an ego bruise if the nose wheel hits first. That is a no-no in real life.
I remember get scolded by more than one flight instructor over that!!!

DKoor
02-19-2008, 09:23 AM
Landing.

willyvic
02-19-2008, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
My wifes cat (I refuse to take ownership of it!) was sitting on my monitor, as I was flying on line last night, when suddenly it leapt to the floor and started retching and vomiting on the floor. No matter how many times I screamed 'NO!' the foul beast refused to obey! ( Sorry gents on teamspeak!)

By the time I had scooped the useless furry thing onto a tiled surface my plane was a burning twisted mess somewhere in Finland.

Cats and aeroplanes don't mix!

LMAO..Skoshi, I have had a similar occurence about a month ago.

Friggin cat was sitting off to the right by the window, something spooked it and it came off its perch a mach speed. Hit me in the face full force, splitting my lip. The guys on team speak thought I had been mugged in my own home with all the screaming and yelling.

There was blood all over the keyboard, my shirt, and the floor.

Said cat is now mounted on the wall above my monitor...naw, but in my mind she is, be sure.

WV.

crucislancer
02-19-2008, 10:05 AM
Online, it would have to be stalling at low altitude as my number one cause of aircraft loss. This rarely happens offline.

Offline, it's bad landings, particularly carrier traps.

Covino
02-19-2008, 10:30 AM
kamikaze

thefruitbat
02-19-2008, 10:38 AM
If servers had stats for the ground, it would cream both red and blue.

green ftw

frutibat

ElAurens
02-19-2008, 11:04 AM
Here's an interesting RL stat from reading "Fire In The Sky". In the air war over New Guinea the Japanese forces had a dramatically lower non-combat loss rate. The author attributes it the lower wing loaded Japanese aircraft being better suited to the poor airfield conditions that were the norm in this theater.

Bremspropeller
02-19-2008, 11:16 AM
Makes perfectly sense.

But that doesn't mean those LGs were weak.
I've seen a Mustang "falling in" on some Iwo Juma strip (RL footage) and I thought he was gonna rip his gear off.
Well, was a crappy landing anyway, but the Stang wasn't bothered at all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

A 109 would've digged for oil http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

FoolTrottel
02-19-2008, 11:48 AM
Since last sunday, mine would be...

"Gear up landings"

three times in a row... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

(It happend while in Coops, piloting aicraft that have RL gunners in them. I think their presence kinda distracted me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Apart from the gear-issues, it was great fun though... we got home three times in a row too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif)

MEGILE
02-19-2008, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:


In the excitement I often shutdown my engine when I typed "i". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif



Been there, done that.

Gear down, full flaps, open cockpit, bail out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

mortoma
02-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:


In the excitement I often shutdown my engine when I typed "i". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

This is why I changed the command to 'ctrl I' a long time ago. Hint........

Been there, done that.

Gear down, full flaps, open cockpit, bail out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

mortoma
02-19-2008, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:


In the excitement I often shutdown my engine when I typed "i". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

.....Been there, done that.

Gear down, full flaps, open cockpit, bail out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This is why I changed the command to 'ctrl I' a long time ago. Hint...hard to accidentally hit Ctrl + I!!!

Stew278
02-19-2008, 01:50 PM
Lawn darting during strafing runs
Botched carrier landings
Crashing into something on takeoff

Would probably be the most common for me

BrotherVoodoo
02-19-2008, 02:25 PM
Flying under the influence... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

thefruitbat
02-19-2008, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
Flying under the influence... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I second that, beer slowly ruins my flying, but at the same time it also means i dont care http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Billy_BigBoy
02-19-2008, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by thefruitbat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
Flying under the influence... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I second that, beer slowly ruins my flying, but at the same time it also means i dont care http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Just like a Whisky.
No, I don't care either. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif