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Cooper4F
07-13-2006, 07:18 PM
Hi Guys,
Fellow aviation and flight sim ethusiast in the USAF here. I just got PF, and I'm enjoying it. I finally have a computer where I can both it and IL-2:FB at full specs which is cool. I still need to get AEP.

I'm obviously somewhat behind and thus I don't know what is taboo on this forum and what is not.

As such, I'm going to risk asking about something that's important to me.

The P-40 Warhawk is my favorite airplane of WWII, and I feel it is a very underrated airplane and unfortunately some "authors" don't give it the credit it deserves.

I love to fly it in the game, and despite the variety of versions I'm still left wondering why the P-40N (the most numerous version and very important in the Pacific in particular....) isn't included.

Furthermore, I was also wondering about the loadout options. They seem limited compared to other airplanes in the game, and I was wondering if this could be addressed in a future patch?

I have the following suggestions for P-40 loadout options.

A lot of people don't realize the P-40 was actually used to carry the same three-shot 4.5-inch rocket pods you see on the P-47 in the game. It was the first aircraft to carry them.

Here are my suggestions:

P-40B/Tomahawk IIA - okay, no changes there

P-40C/Tomahawk IIB - the option to carry a 500-lb. bomb should be added as well.

P-40E - actually had two small wing hardpoints for 100-lb. bombs in addition to the centerline. Loadout options should be:

1x 75-gal. drop tank
1x 100-lb. bomb
2x 100-lb. bombs
3x 100-lb. bombs
2x 100-lb. bombs, 1x 75-gal. drop tank
1x250-lb. bomb
1x250 bomb, 2x 100 bombs
1x500 bomb
1x500 bomb, 2x100 bombs

P-40M - also had three hardpoints, but these could carry 500-lb. weapons as well

1x 75 gal. drop tank
1x 100 bomb
2x 100 bombs
3x 100 bombs
2 100 bombs, 1x 75 gal. drop tank
1x 250 bomb
2x 250 bomb
3x 250 bomb
2x 250 bomb, 1 75 gal. drop tank
1x 500 bomb
2x 500 bomb
3x 500 bomb
2x 500 bomb, 1x 75 gal. drop tank
3x 100-lb. bombs

P-40N (if it ever gets included) - same as P-40M but it could also carry 1,000-lb. bombs so I propose the same options as the P-40M but I'll add in 1,000 lb. weapons and and the three-shot 4.5-inch rocket pods

1x 1000 lb. bomb
2x 1000 lb. bombs
2x 1000 lb. bombs, 1x 75 gal. tanks
2x 4.5-inch rocket pods, 1x75 gal. tank
2x 4.5-inch rocket pods, 1x 500 lb. bomb
2x 4.5-inch rocket pods, 1x 1000-lb. bomb

I realize most of you reading this are going...."who cares", but I'd just like to give the P-40 some love and I'd like to be able to do more than just drop one bomb per mission. I want some options available like those seen on the P-47 and P-38.

Oleg I don't know if you will see this message, but please consider implementing my suggestions. I really would enjoy the game that much more if they were implemented. I know I'm not the only one that plays the game and this may sound selfish, but hopefully there are a few P-40 fans out there who agree with me.

Anyone who wants to please post on this thread and tell me what you think about my suggestion as well as the chances it might get implemented?

Cooper4F
07-13-2006, 07:18 PM
Hi Guys,
Fellow aviation and flight sim ethusiast in the USAF here. I just got PF, and I'm enjoying it. I finally have a computer where I can both it and IL-2:FB at full specs which is cool. I still need to get AEP.

I'm obviously somewhat behind and thus I don't know what is taboo on this forum and what is not.

As such, I'm going to risk asking about something that's important to me.

The P-40 Warhawk is my favorite airplane of WWII, and I feel it is a very underrated airplane and unfortunately some "authors" don't give it the credit it deserves.

I love to fly it in the game, and despite the variety of versions I'm still left wondering why the P-40N (the most numerous version and very important in the Pacific in particular....) isn't included.

Furthermore, I was also wondering about the loadout options. They seem limited compared to other airplanes in the game, and I was wondering if this could be addressed in a future patch?

I have the following suggestions for P-40 loadout options.

A lot of people don't realize the P-40 was actually used to carry the same three-shot 4.5-inch rocket pods you see on the P-47 in the game. It was the first aircraft to carry them.

Here are my suggestions:

P-40B/Tomahawk IIA - okay, no changes there

P-40C/Tomahawk IIB - the option to carry a 500-lb. bomb should be added as well.

P-40E - actually had two small wing hardpoints for 100-lb. bombs in addition to the centerline. Loadout options should be:

1x 75-gal. drop tank
1x 100-lb. bomb
2x 100-lb. bombs
3x 100-lb. bombs
2x 100-lb. bombs, 1x 75-gal. drop tank
1x250-lb. bomb
1x250 bomb, 2x 100 bombs
1x500 bomb
1x500 bomb, 2x100 bombs

P-40M - also had three hardpoints, but these could carry 500-lb. weapons as well

1x 75 gal. drop tank
1x 100 bomb
2x 100 bombs
3x 100 bombs
2 100 bombs, 1x 75 gal. drop tank
1x 250 bomb
2x 250 bomb
3x 250 bomb
2x 250 bomb, 1 75 gal. drop tank
1x 500 bomb
2x 500 bomb
3x 500 bomb
2x 500 bomb, 1x 75 gal. drop tank
3x 100-lb. bombs

P-40N (if it ever gets included) - same as P-40M but it could also carry 1,000-lb. bombs so I propose the same options as the P-40M but I'll add in 1,000 lb. weapons and and the three-shot 4.5-inch rocket pods

1x 1000 lb. bomb
2x 1000 lb. bombs
2x 1000 lb. bombs, 1x 75 gal. tanks
2x 4.5-inch rocket pods, 1x75 gal. tank
2x 4.5-inch rocket pods, 1x 500 lb. bomb
2x 4.5-inch rocket pods, 1x 1000-lb. bomb

I realize most of you reading this are going...."who cares", but I'd just like to give the P-40 some love and I'd like to be able to do more than just drop one bomb per mission. I want some options available like those seen on the P-47 and P-38.

Oleg I don't know if you will see this message, but please consider implementing my suggestions. I really would enjoy the game that much more if they were implemented. I know I'm not the only one that plays the game and this may sound selfish, but hopefully there are a few P-40 fans out there who agree with me.

Anyone who wants to please post on this thread and tell me what you think about my suggestion as well as the chances it might get implemented?

TC_Stele
07-13-2006, 07:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing some of those changes. It was practically in all fronts of the war and it did have those loadouts you mentioned.

Also, I'd really like to see a functional fuel gauge, if possible. But with the focus on BoB I kinda doubt seeing this happening.

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-13-2006, 07:37 PM
+1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

-HH-Quazi
07-13-2006, 08:29 PM
Yea, the P-40 has always been a favorite ride of mine. And the fact this thread concerning FM's speaks volumes. I often wondered why the P-40N wasn't offered as a flyable when he decided to do PF. He may have just looked at the list of P-40's that we already have as flyable and thought there wasn't any need. And loadouts being what they are on what we have really limits the P-40 in the roles we can fly it in, which right now it is mainly as an all out fighter.

ElAurens
07-13-2006, 11:03 PM
A great idea.

However we will no doubt have to wait till the appropriate theatre is undertaken in an expansion of SoW: BoB, before we see any changes to our beloved P40. It's simply too late for this to happen in the current version.

Syama
07-13-2006, 11:10 PM
Weren't there a couple P-40's in the Battle of Britain? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Scharnhorst1943
07-13-2006, 11:22 PM
Cooper4F, I agree with you. Unfortunately the truth is that work on FB/AEP/PF is about done, so I doubt your suggestions will be implamented. However, I aknowladge and approve of them. I think it is safe to say that if you're American, the P-40 is a favorate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Don't know if you are in the know-how, but there is a BIG Japanese addon comming. However, you must have FB/AEP/PF and bought Pe-2 in order to get it. Let me assure you though, it will be more than worth it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I never really thought about the P-40 N until you brought it up, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Skoshi Tiger
07-13-2006, 11:51 PM
The P40 was the most important fighter in terms of numbers for the RAAF. When it came to the Island hopping campaign (up until they were left behind at Morotai when MacArthur went on to single handedly retake the Philippines A major ***** by the Australian pilots at the time)

woofiedog
07-13-2006, 11:58 PM
Quote... I still need to get AEP.

You might have a Hard time finding the AEP Disc... check out Go-Gamer for the complete edition of FB/AEP/PF that has it all on one disc.

Use the search on the site here, that should help you out.

Siwarrior
07-14-2006, 03:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scharnhorst1943:
Cooper4F, I agree with you. Unfortunately the truth is that work on FB/AEP/PF is about done, so I doubt your suggestions will be implamented. However, I aknowladge and approve of them. I think it is safe to say that if you're American, the P-40 is a favorate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Don't know if you are in the know-how, but there is a BIG Japanese addon comming. However, you must have FB/AEP/PF and bought Pe-2 in order to get it. Let me assure you though, it will be more than worth it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I never really thought about the P-40 N until you brought it up, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

not only american, but aussie to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, it served prouldy in aussie hands notably helping wage the war against rommel in the desert, fighting the japanese in PNG etc and also in russia http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bearcat99
07-14-2006, 06:45 AM
Performance wise the P-40 is one of the best planes in this sim.... as far as handling... of course it has it's lilitations.. but it is very stable... and I still dont understand why the 50s on the 40 seem to have so much more kick.

HotelBushranger
07-14-2006, 07:09 AM
Cos of the pilots baby http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


(Tip for newcomers...don't try and seduce the mods http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

I'm right behind you Cooper. Si, me and some others have done our share of shouting about the lack of P-40Ns. It would give us something to go up against those La-7 nancy boys on DF maps http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif It's not gonna happen in this series though, neither would any other changes. But 10 outta 10 points for effort mate, you've presented some fine points and shown yourself to be no noob on the subject http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Welcome to the forums http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-14-2006, 09:29 AM
would a P-40N be a so much better performer than the P-40M ?

x6BL_Brando
07-14-2006, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but it is very stable... and I still dont understand why the 50s on the 40 seem to have so much more kick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think you've answered your own question BC - if stability = more rounds in the desired spot for a longer duration http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

B.

triad773
07-14-2006, 10:14 AM
Per the original post I see the biggest improvement would be in loadout. That WOULD be cool as the P-40 was the first plane I tried to master in the game.

But I think the chances of our getting the N in this sim are like a snowman's chance in a very hot place.

~S~

Cooper4F
07-14-2006, 02:52 PM
Does Oleg read the forums? Is there a way I can get into contact with him or he too busy to pay me much mind? I just want to at least see what he thinks of the idea. I'd be willing to pay for a nice P-40 patch.....lol...I want one that bad.

Does he let you contact him?

I wasn't trying to bate anyone I don't think...just asking a question.

With all of the patches since the original release I don't understand why the improvements I suggested would be so hard...at the very least a loadout improvement for P-40's in the game.

I'm surprised as many people replied to this post and I'm glad to see I've got some P-40 fans with me on this one. It's very very disheartening to learn that I'm simply too late....I had such high hopes when I originally thought of this post.

Is there a way I can do this myself? I'm guessing PF isn't an open sim like Strike Fighters or Wings Over Vietnam or Wings Over Europe? (three great sims for those who havent tried them....)

triad773
07-14-2006, 03:10 PM
Open sim? Nooo not yet anyway. Seems to me so many asked for so much that perhaps they felt focusing on the big issues that arose, fixing bugs and maintaining quality were the priorities. As I think has been said already, any major new items we'd want would have to be for the next generation sim from Oleg: Storm of War | Battle of Britain.

Varmint-1
07-14-2006, 06:27 PM
This subject is near and dear to me, as the P-40 has been my ride of choice for a loooong time. The P-40 flight model seems fairly decent, but where I begin to see a real separation between reality and the sim is in the damage model. By all accounts this was a formidably durable airframe, which could sustain plenty of punishment. However, in this sim, one or two hits render your aircraft combat ineffective. By this I mean one hit and two of three control axis are gone, 4 of 6 machine guns are jammed, and meanwhile your hail of .50 cal rounds barely roughed the enemy's paint job (I've never noticed the P-40 having any 'extra punch' in it's guns...the .50 cals are hideously undermodeled in this sim, as you can readily see by the fact that most DF servers are usually filled by people flying non-.50 cal armed aircraft), unless that enemy is the A6M type opponent.

I would LOOOVE for Oleg to fix the damage model and pep up the guns to a more realistic level. But regardless, its still cool being the lone wolf flying a P-40 in a server full of Spit+25's, La7's, I-185's and Yak-3P's.

WarWolfe_1
07-14-2006, 06:41 PM
THe P-40 Rocks! The most delightful plane to fly in the sim. I would recommend BirdBrains El Almain campagin for the P-40.

I would agree with Copper aswell, but I have no doubt in my mind that it will ever happen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

bird_brain
07-14-2006, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WarWolfe_1:
THe P-40 Rocks! The most delightful plane to fly in the sim. I would recommend BirdBrains El Almain campagin for the P-40.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Guess I got here just in time... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I'm a big P-40 fan too, but I think Oleg & crew are more interested in tying up the loose ends with FB/AEP/PF/PE2/? and letting it go to the 3rd party developers than adding to what we have. I have wished for a -F Merlin model and a -N with the much improved view many times, but it isn't something that needs to be fixed, it's a whole new cockpit to model. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

We do have the Kittyhawk models now which are fairly new, and I should go back and redo the British section of El Alamein with them some day.

Cooper4F...If you want to fly Brit & USAAF P-40s in a quasi historical campaign, follow the campaign link in my sig. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Welcome to the zoo.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

I450IVex
07-15-2006, 04:17 AM
we've got so many 109's, so many Spitfires, So many 190's

we need all the P-40's Including the P-40D & P-40K
Long tail and short tail K's

N's we need for the Burma and Italy maps, and the pacific.
K's we need for the Med stuff.

Besides the K is the dogs nuts of P-40's

Cooper4F
07-16-2006, 12:33 PM
Wow interesting series of comments.

Didn't think there were as many P-40 nuts as I'm seeing.....what a great thing!

I'm guessing Oleg himself will never actually see this thread and the suggestions though?

heywooood
07-16-2006, 12:34 PM
thats ok - third party will hear it and maybe...

blindpugh
07-16-2006, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Performance wise the P-40 is one of the best planes in this sim.... as far as handling... of course it has it's lilitations.. but it is very stable... and I still dont understand why the 50s on the 40 seem to have so much more kick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I think you should look at the performance figures of the p40 in the museum at curtis if you think it is great performance wise-I wish someone would tell me -where in this game you can get a p40 up to 360mph in level flight @5000feet-because those were performance figures quoted for p40M -see curtis museum.

Asgeir_Strips
07-16-2006, 01:41 PM
increased load out specs on the P40 and new models (M,N,K) when oleg returns to the pacific theatre again with the storm of war series would be cool. its not my alltime fave, but i've always been fascinated of it. Its kinda sexy. If you combine the P40 and the new storm of war series (pacific theatre) with a proper solomons and new guinea chain map (preferably a single large map) then you'd have a KILLER campaign

PBNA-Boosher
07-16-2006, 01:43 PM
I LOVE the P-40. Although the H-81 could use its proper engine, I've never had much of a problem with any version of the P-40, jumping in and handing it to the Enemy. Provided it's used correctly, it's one deadly bird.

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-16-2006, 06:09 PM
P-40E is best P-40 in game...be sure.

Nimits
07-16-2006, 09:10 PM
I've often wished we had the P-40N, THE version of the P-40, but then again, we would need a map to use it on . . .

Cooper4F
07-17-2006, 03:38 PM
Can anyone tell me whether Oleg himself will see this thread?

I'm guessing it's a lost cause.....

Why can't the P-40 ever get any justice......?

I450IVex
07-18-2006, 02:04 AM
we shouldn't be pressing for anything else in this game. it is as it is.

We needs to get the 3d fraternity doing models on SOW specs now, if the med campaign is next in line, then most of these birds will be around for that, they all flew in the med.

the P-40 suffers now with a **** 3d model, **** mapping of the skin in places (canopy, under belly, mirrored under wings, no detail.)
and the damage model is pretty ****.

I love my Kittyhawk http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cooper4F
07-18-2006, 10:43 AM
Nobody has answered my question about Oleg so I'm guessing it's taboo to ask that and I should just drop it.

In any case if a sim about the Med (North Africa & Italy) is done I'd love it because P-40's were very prominent there.....

Tomahawks of various marks as well as Kittyhawks and then of course USAAF P-40E/F/L/M/N models.

I'd love to provide loadout options for those and help in the next game......

ElAurens
07-18-2006, 10:58 AM
Ask this in the form of a direct question to Oleg in Oleg's Ready Room. You have a far better chance of him seeing it there.

Siwarrior
07-18-2006, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Cos of the pilots baby http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


(Tip for newcomers...don't try and seduce the mods http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

I'm right behind you Cooper. Si, me and some others have done our share of shouting about the lack of P-40Ns. It would give us something to go up against those La-7 nancy boys on DF maps http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif It's not gonna happen in this series though, neither would any other changes. But 10 outta 10 points for effort mate, you've presented some fine points and shown yourself to be no noob on the subject http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Welcome to the forums http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup nice post cooper http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif btw welcome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

dusta01
07-18-2006, 09:21 PM
Before we go on about what we dont have in the game, how about fixing what p40 models we have in game. http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/123...231045134#1231045134 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/1231045134/r/1231045134#1231045134)


correctly placed instruments and working ones would be nice instead of relying on the Fuel warning light to come on

I450IVex
07-19-2006, 02:45 AM
OH MY GOD, DUSTA YOU'RE STILL ALIVE!!!!!!

PRAISE THE LORD! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

dusta01
07-19-2006, 02:51 AM
i'm just bout to start flying again vex . Better get me an OK-A ready for flight duties http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I450IVex
07-19-2006, 04:09 AM
Man we swapped that thing for 2 ham sangers and a beer keg.

what a lunch hour hour that was, w00t!

ddsflyer
07-21-2006, 10:34 AM
Also, please correct the excessive incorrect wing dihedral in the P-40E and P-40M. It is fine in the B and C models. I don't know why the modeler did that or how it got by undetected.

Siwarrior
07-22-2006, 12:52 AM
Hey guys im just wondering how much better say the P-40N was over the M because if it wasn't much better i dont see Oleg including it in for us http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif being the way he is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Chuck_Older
07-22-2006, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ddsflyer:
Also, please correct the excessive incorrect wing dihedral in the P-40E and P-40M. It is fine in the B and C models. I don't know why the modeler did that or how it got by undetected. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's known by Maddox Games. As I recall, some time ago, Oleg did indeed address this in a post in ORR, and basically, fixing the dihedral is more complex than just altering the model's wings. I think the skins would have to be re-done, too.

VW-IceFire
07-22-2006, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cooper4F:
Can anyone tell me whether Oleg himself will see this thread?

I'm guessing it's a lost cause.....

Why can't the P-40 ever get any justice......? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He reads many threads but he gets jumped on by some crazed members of the community so he rarely seems to post these days. He's also probably crazy busy with the addons and Storm of War.

While Oleg may read it...nothing will necessarily happen or happen right away. Keep in mind that he does think long term and while you may not see something happen right now...you might down the road. Not alot of people give him credit for including things and doing things say a year later that was requested. I'm sure he's got a long list of new features or neat things to do that the community has asked for that eventually appear in a newer product later.