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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 11:06 AM
All I can say is WOW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif... just had a QMB against 8 Ace Spitfires at 8-11000m - got them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif was on semi-real as well (externals on and unlimited ammo) am surprised at my own ability - always thought I was a cr@p pilot... albeit a reasonable shot. and no I don't resort to the "spray-n-pray" tatctic. Since I got my FFB2 set up properly (Thanks PF Coastie! again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif) it really has made a diff to my flying - esp being able to trim with the FFB2 throttle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif whenever the spits did get tracers close, I just opened the engine up and outclimbed them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

caught me once down realtively low (5000m) but managed to get away... again by outclimbing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Class http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif was really enjoying myself.

Would like to play online and I have the means to (broadband http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but sadly have other important commitments - I fear it would be just TOO addictive. Nothing special but I thought I'd share.

I know the AI has always been nothing to write home about but still....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif not trying to brag (I've no right to)... but I surprised myself and I'm quite pleased.

BTW got 785kmh at 10800m when I was "running away" (level flight) at one stage http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif oh yeah and the spits were HF IXe's (1943)

S!

Andrew

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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 11:06 AM
All I can say is WOW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif... just had a QMB against 8 Ace Spitfires at 8-11000m - got them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif was on semi-real as well (externals on and unlimited ammo) am surprised at my own ability - always thought I was a cr@p pilot... albeit a reasonable shot. and no I don't resort to the "spray-n-pray" tatctic. Since I got my FFB2 set up properly (Thanks PF Coastie! again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif) it really has made a diff to my flying - esp being able to trim with the FFB2 throttle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif whenever the spits did get tracers close, I just opened the engine up and outclimbed them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

caught me once down realtively low (5000m) but managed to get away... again by outclimbing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Class http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif was really enjoying myself.

Would like to play online and I have the means to (broadband http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but sadly have other important commitments - I fear it would be just TOO addictive. Nothing special but I thought I'd share.

I know the AI has always been nothing to write home about but still....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif not trying to brag (I've no right to)... but I surprised myself and I'm quite pleased.

BTW got 785kmh at 10800m when I was "running away" (level flight) at one stage http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif oh yeah and the spits were HF IXe's (1943)

S!

Andrew

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Udidtoo
06-02-2004, 11:14 AM
Turn off unlimeted ammo and I'll be somewhat impressed.

..............................
I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

ASM 1
06-02-2004, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Udidtoo:
Turn off unlimeted ammo and I'll be somewhat impressed.
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Funny you should say that... cos after I posted the above, I went back and did similar with limited ammo, took a bit more damage though cos I took 3 head on - NOT Recommended! (convergence set 300 for cannons and 250 for MG), and still made it home...


Must be (semi-)real beginners luck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

S!

Andrew

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StellarRat
06-02-2004, 11:33 AM
Now go fight a bunch of P-47s and tell us how you do.

El Turo
06-02-2004, 11:34 AM
Now do it with just your keyboard and tell us how you do!

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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H_Butcher:
Now do it with just your keyboard and tell us how you do!

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Hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Not a chance...nooo siree! I like FFB2's so much I bought another one the other week... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I have never played IL2 with the keyboard and don't intend to start now....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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El Turo
06-02-2004, 11:42 AM
One of the most fun quick mission builder sorties I ever flew was a 16 v 16 bi-plane extravaganza. Madness, mayhem, and lots of fun!

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Callsign "Turo" in IL2:FB & WWIIOL
______________________
This place
was once
a place
of worship
I thought,
reloading my rifle.

~V.

ASM 1
06-02-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StellarRat:
Now go fight a bunch of P-47s and tell us how you do.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's my next challenge - when I can allocate enough AEP time... Having a masters dissertation to finish, kinda changes my priorities a wee bit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

However the mere prospect of going up against 8 B17's or B25's gives me the heebie jeebies http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif I'll leave that to the "Experten". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

Still http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif my

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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H_Butcher:
One of the most fun quick mission builder sorties I ever flew was a 16 v 16 bi-plane extravaganza. Madness, mayhem, and lots of fun!

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Nice one.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif nearest I came to that was a turn and burn with a mix of ACE ME262's, D9's and G6AS's with a..... J8 of all things. Got 5 in the end before I croaked it(2 of which I made crash LOL!) but man that was a blast. Bearing in mind that I was on my lonesome, I thought I did rather well at the time - admittedly with unlimited ammo, but it still took a fair bit of flying to get in appropriate positions for the shots.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

Edit:- ooo 500 posts... been hanging out here a bit too much lately LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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TgD Thunderbolt56
06-02-2004, 12:32 PM
Use the force Luke! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 12:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
Use the force Luke! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
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I certainly find it helps (or it helps me at any rate)... however, each to their own.. some people don't like it - fair enough http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

S!

Andrew

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Prof.Wizard
06-02-2004, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
All I can say is WOW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif... just had a QMB against 8 Ace Spitfires at 8-11000m - got them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif was on semi-real as well (externals on and unlimited ammo) am surprised at my own ability - always thought I was a cr@p pilot... albeit a reasonable shot. and no I don't resort to the "spray-n-pray" tatctic. Since I got my FFB2 set up properly (Thanks PF Coastie! again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif) it really has made a diff to my flying - esp being able to trim with the FFB2 throttle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif whenever the spits did get tracers close, I just opened the engine up and outclimbed them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

caught me once down realtively low (5000m) but managed to get away... again by outclimbing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Thanks for sharing that. It's good to see that indeed the FM of the 152 kicks a$$ at that altitude.

I was wondering, how often did you have to engage the GM-1? Is it indeed a life-saver in some situtations?

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

ASM 1
06-02-2004, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:

Thanks for sharing that. It's good to see that indeed the FM of the 152 kicks a$$ at that altitude.

I was wondering, how often did you have to engage the GM-1? Is it indeed a life-saver in some situtations?
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Used the MW 50 more when climbing up to its rated ceiling +- 9000m and to run away below 9000m http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif had the GM-1 on a fair bit (used both for reasonably short periods to get the perf then switched off) the max speed was achieved with GM-1... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif Also over revved the engine slightly - managed not to cook it - 90-100% prop pitch in 4 second bursts (ie. in a climb - in the vertical up to 100% then backed off...) had overheats on but never saw warning... rads at 6 - all the time, closing them makes little diff performance wise, to me anyways, although you can eke out a little more with them shut.

I may just have been lucky so dont blame me if you try it and fry your engine.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 01:37 PM
For my next trick/ a laugh I am going to try and do a "Kurt Tank" against ACE P51D's - i.e. no Ammo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and a lighter fuel load http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif and see what happens LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

S!

Andrew

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Prof.Wizard
06-02-2004, 01:52 PM
Good. Post your results here once you're done. And please report on the use of GM-1, I have a special interest about this boost. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

ASM 1
06-02-2004, 02:05 PM
Ah the famous Nitrous Oxide... "laughing Gas" - No wonder - I had a very big grin on my face after flying the TA up high (12000m) - and it grew even wider when I could maintain 400kmh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Will post results when I get round to the test http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif - probably this weekend sometime, that ok?

If I could be so nosey... why the "special interest"? - I'f Im prying then no need to answer, but you've got me curious now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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NegativeGee
06-02-2004, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
However the mere prospect of going up against 8 B17's or B25's gives me the heebie jeebies http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif I'll leave that to the "Experten". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whaddaya mean? thats the best bit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif, although it can oh so easily end in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Still http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif my

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Thats good, just don't let your "romantic interest" get the better of you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Oh, and good luck with the dissertation http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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actionhank1786
06-02-2004, 03:11 PM
GM-1? Is there 2 sepereate boost methods with the Ta-152? I've always thought it was a cool plane, and i've heard it's been improved post patch, so i think i'm gonna get off line and go fly it right now...i think first i'll take on some 47's, 2vs.4 their advantage...haha i'm a terrible pilot, this should end well
~Aaron

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Actionhank
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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 03:27 PM
Ok had a quick play - 10500- 10250m no ammo 25% fuel managed to coax a maintainable 800 kmh (nasty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif) saw 830+ in a shallow dive for 600 ft (10900m to roughly 10300)with GM1 and varying prop pitch (http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif) . Chopped pitch right back with GM1 on (40% or less!) that seemed to be best performance... although needed to high rev engine to get it up there... was getting a bit shaky (yaw) although not breaking up... that I could see on externals. (also may need to adjust the calibration of my joystick to sort this yaw prob - although it is probably to do with compressibility)

Also this test was on Crimea map - other dogfight was Smolensk.

Might be me but seemed to feel more of a "kick" engaging MW-50 at about 8700M than with GM-1. Imagine if both could be engaged at say 11K +(probably kill engine as I dont know the mechanics/practicalities but a "Combined" boost performance wise would be special http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Haven't factored in the P51's yet LOL but I was concentrating on performance for this "practice run" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Incidentally does anybody know what variant KT was in wheen he outdid those P51's? was it a H or a C - reason I ask, is that the account I've read states that he switched on MW-50 and "left them in a cloud of blue smoke." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Now I know that both had MW50 but the DB603 engined C was more powerful at med alts (or was it?)and would thus have more *oomph* to accelerate away... or would it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

OK I'll stop speculating now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Disclaimer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
My tests are my own and as near as dammit as I can get to accurate however if you can't replicate them then it aint my fault http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif sorry - I try my best but in any case I'm not a 'serious' tester, I do it for fun so they may or may not be valid.


S!

Andrew

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ASM 1
06-02-2004, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Whaddaya mean? thats the best bit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif, although it can oh so easily end in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif That's EXACTLY what I mean http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif LOL!

Thats good, just don't let your "romantic interest" get the better of you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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Grr... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif just cos you are jealous http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif We've been spending some "time apart" and I've been doing other things with other people and a few other planes notably the BF 110 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif....
So yes It was nice to get back together if only for a little while http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif ....

Blargh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif &lt;vomits into nearby bucket&gt;... of all the slushy nonsense ROFL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Still "she" IS fun though, esp at high alts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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Oh, and good luck with the dissertation http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Cheers mate

S!

Andrew

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jttthomas
06-02-2004, 06:30 PM
I tried to outrun a TA152 in my P47D last night but couldn't (on the warclouds server) - I ended up dragging him to my airbase where the flak took care of him! lol..he must've been cursing.

StellarRat
06-02-2004, 08:44 PM
I don't know why you couldn't outrun it. I can always outrun them above 8000m. I fly a P47 D-10 and carry 25% fuel. Maybe you had too much gas or weren't high enough (or both.) Also, I keep the rad closed up there because it takes a long time to overheat in that sub-zero air.

actionhank1786
06-02-2004, 10:35 PM
Is it just me, or does injecting the MW-50 stuff (check that name... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) seem like the equivalent of injecting nails into my engine? After 10 seconds of so, the darn thing is sounding like a poorly cared for 71 ford econoline, and the engine can barely keep the plane in the air...am i doing something wrong?

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Actionhank
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NegativeGee
06-02-2004, 11:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
Is it just me, or does injecting the MW-50 stuff (check that name... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) seem like the equivalent of injecting nails into my engine? After 10 seconds of so, the darn thing is sounding like a poorly cared for 71 ford econoline, and the engine can barely keep the plane in the air...am i doing something wrong?

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Actionhank
~Aaron White<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The MW-50 should never be engaged (ie. press the WEP key whatever you may have) when the throttle is above 100%. If you do, as you have found out, the engine gets wrecked and no more fun is to be had http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Instead, switch the MW-50 on at the start of your mission when the throttle is idle (0% if you want to be to be really safe) and leave it like that for the whole time you fly. MW50 only activates at 101-110% power range, so the rest of the time it remains inactive.

Now, the Ta-152 has both MW-50 and GM-1 which are both controlled using the WEP command. I seem to recall there is some altitude control that can disern when you are high enough for GM-1, but I'm sure someone will have a more exact explaination (hint, hint!).

Anyway, go forth and enjoy that MW-50 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!

jttthomas
06-02-2004, 11:53 PM
yeah I passed him headon at about 2000m and dived for the deck - he hung on and actually closed up to me when I was on the deck, luckily I made it to the airbase in time. I topped around 700 kmph and he still caught up to me (he passed me whilst climbing towards me, then turned and chased). That TA must be uber.

Prof.Wizard
06-03-2004, 02:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
Ah the famous Nitrous Oxide... "laughing Gas" - No wonder - I had a very big grin on my face after flying the TA up high (12000m) - and it grew even wider when I could maintain 400kmh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If I could be so nosey... why the "special interest"? - I'f Im prying then no need to answer, but you've got me curious now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hehe, nothing, it's only the fact that I feel like engaging "Warp Engine" with the GM-1. It's just a feeling of course, but I love that the Ta-152 has a dual boost mechanism.

Oh, and regarding the MW-50 @ 8700m instead of GM-1 a little bit higher no. My impression is the GM-1 gives a hell more boost at that thin air altitute, giving the edge for the 152 against almost any plane.

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

ASM 1
06-03-2004, 04:04 AM
As I said in a previous post in this thread - GM-1 is only activated at around 9000m so MW-50 at 8700 is fine. As Negative Gee says this is the controlling altitude where you switch between the two - switch one boost off with your WEP key and then press it again to switch the other one on. Above 9000m this enables GM-1, below it enables MW-50.

Enjoy....

I certainly do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

S!

Andrew

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Prof.Wizard
06-03-2004, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
As I said in a previous post in this thread - GM-1 is only activated at around 9000m so MW-50 at 8700 is fine. As Negative Gee says this is the controlling altitude where you switch between the two - switch one boost off with your WEP key and then press it again to switch the other one on. Above 9000m this enables GM-1, below it enables MW-50.
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Hmm, who said the opposite? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I only said that I prefer the boost from GM-1 cause I found it more powerful than the MW-50. Nitrous Oxide boost is life saving in dogfights in such altitudes. At least it gave ME the edge in offline test furballs.

Ta-152 is the high-altitude dogfighter par excellence. Too bad many people haven't understood it in online mode and are whining about its hog performance in multiplayers where 90% of all dogfights is done @ &lt;2500m http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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dadada1
06-03-2004, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StellarRat:
I don't know why you couldn't outrun it. I can always outrun them above 8000m. I fly a P47 D-10 and carry 25% fuel. Maybe you had too much gas or weren't high enough (or both.) Also, I keep the rad closed up there because it takes a long time to overheat in that sub-zero air.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Should'n t be able to catch Ta 152 in any of the P 47s we have in game, especially the higher you go. P47 was a good high altitude performer, but no way better than Ta 152, even using MW 50 figures show Ta should always have speed advantage. If you can outrun them, there's something wrong.

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06-09-2004, 03:12 AM
Ah well thought I'd bump this for 2 reasons - 1) to ask whether anyone has done any more "testing" and
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NorrisMcWhirter
06-09-2004, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Since I got my FFB2 set up properly (Thanks PF Coastie! again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif) it really has made a diff to my flying - esp being able to trim with the FFB2 throttle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif whenever the spits did get tracers close, I just opened the engine up and outclimbed them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Hi,

What set up for the FFB2? Am I missing something?

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Zen--
06-09-2004, 06:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:


Ta-152 is the high-altitude dogfighter par excellence. Too bad many people haven't understood it in online mode and are whining about its hog performance in multiplayers where 90% of all dogfights is done @ &lt;2500m
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Unfortunately not true in my experience, the Ta152 is no high altitude fighter. Whatever altitude advantage it supposedly has in this game is not practical...overheat precludes maximum power combat for more than 4 minutes and without GM1 activated, the plane is easily outflown by a P47.

WUAF_Hero and I did some specific high altitude testing and found that the P47 can slowly close the gap during a spiral climb from 10500 meters to 12000 meters...this was with the P47 begining from a 3 o'clock position relative to the Ta and with a starting altitude of 10000 meters (with the Ta being at 10500). Start position dictates that the Ta had E advantage at the beginning of the fight, then lost it as the P47 spiral climbed on the low 6 of the Ta.

At 12000 meters, seeing the P47 was slowly but surely gaining, I experimented with increasing the angle of bank and maintaining the 6m/s climb rate in order to force the P47 to stall first...but the Ta was the plane that lost control first, being unable to maintain more than a 50-60 degree angle of bank before losing control. And to top it off the poor stall/spin characteristics of the Ta caused a spin that I could not recover from until 5500 meters was reached...nearly a 7k drop from a simple wing stall. And this is from a plane designed to operate as a high altitude fighter?

In a straight climb the P47 will outclimb the Ta at 10k+ and in a spiral climb where the advantage of the Ta's long wings and great climbrate should allow it to dominate, the P47 outperforms it as well. Factor in the overheat time making the Ta have a maximum possible engagement of 12 minutes before engine failure and you can see how all a P47 really needs to do is keep the pressure on and eventually the Ta is forced to dive and extend away...and this is assuming that the Ta has the initial position advantage of being higher than the P47. If bounced instead, the Ta really has no effective options to regain the fight against a well flown P47.


Everyone always says that people whine too much because the Ta152 is flown down low and does poorly, they are chided about using the plane out of it's element and told to fly it up high where it dominates.

But it doesn't dominate up high, it's a poor high alitude fighter and one that appears to be nearly opposite of its intended design. It doesn't fly well down low, doesn't fly well in the mid altitudes and doesn't fly well up high. All the Ta152 has is speed but overheat time is so short that it generally makes it difficult or impossible to take advantage of the speed...so where is this aircraft supposed to be dominating at?


I've been flying the 190 series since IL2 original, the D9 from FB release and the Ta152 since AEP release. I was involved with the beta testing as well...I can't see where this plane is such a stellar performer and it is my primary mount. No disrespect intended to anyone, but I really think that those who say the Ta should be flown up high don't fly it there in the first place...they are just assuming that since it was designed to fly there, thats where it should be flown.

But it does no better at 10k+ and I have spent a considerable amount of time up there testing it out. Best altitude for the Ta is 4-6k using BnZ tactics as far as I can tell, though I personally still fly it on the deck where the action is.

-Zen-

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:

Hi,

What set up for the FFB2? Am I missing something?

Cheers,
Norris

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Coastie's Place
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go to the IL2 downloads section and he has IL2 profiles for FB - I modified them to suit my prefs and now quite like it as I am getting much more out of the stick.

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WUAF_Boxer
06-09-2004, 09:19 AM
My experiences with the Ta have been very similar to what you have described Zen. Up high the p47 is superior.

NorrisMcWhirter
06-09-2004, 09:38 AM
Cheers, guv'nor.

Regards,
Norris

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:

Hi,

What set up for the FFB2? Am I missing something?

Cheers,
Norris

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Coastie's Place
http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/coastie0/
go to the IL2 downloads section and he has IL2 profiles for FB - I modified them to suit my prefs and now quite like it as I am getting much more out of the stick.

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06-09-2004, 12:03 PM
You're welcome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Although I'm just a messenger - credit goes to PF_Coastie for putting them out. Apparently, and he told me recently, they arent his! The original creator was somebody called beowolf I think - cant remember, anyways Coastie pinched them and modded them to suit his prefs, as have I http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

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Von_Rat
06-10-2004, 12:56 AM
i agree with zen a 100 percent also. the ta152 in this game is not a hi alt fighter. any spit or p47 thats persistant can force you to dive away because of the ridicolous overheating it has hi up. it is a nice bnz plane at mid alts.

isn't its ceiling supposed to be 14k, i count myself dam lucky to get to 12k., and then it handles terribly.

Prof.Wizard
06-10-2004, 01:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:


Ta-152 is the high-altitude dogfighter par excellence. Too bad many people haven't understood it in online mode and are whining about its hog performance in multiplayers where 90% of all dogfights is done @ &lt;2500m
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Unfortunately not true in my experience, the Ta152 is no high altitude fighter. Whatever altitude advantage it supposedly has in this game is not practical...overheat precludes maximum power combat for more than 4 minutes and without GM1 activated, the plane is easily outflown by a P47.

WUAF_Hero and I did some specific high altitude testing and found that the P47 can slowly close the gap during a spiral climb from 10500 meters to 12000 meters...this was with the P47 begining from a 3 o'clock position relative to the Ta and with a starting altitude of 10000 meters (with the Ta being at 10500). Start position dictates that the Ta had E advantage at the beginning of the fight, then lost it as the P47 spiral climbed on the low 6 of the Ta.

At 12000 meters, seeing the P47 was slowly but surely gaining, I experimented with increasing the angle of bank and maintaining the 6m/s climb rate in order to force the P47 to stall first...but the Ta was the plane that lost control first, being unable to maintain more than a 50-60 degree angle of bank before losing control. And to top it off the poor stall/spin characteristics of the Ta caused a spin that I could not recover from until 5500 meters was reached...nearly a 7k drop from a simple wing stall. And this is from a plane designed to operate as a high altitude fighter?

In a straight climb the P47 will outclimb the Ta at 10k+ and in a spiral climb where the advantage of the Ta's long wings and great climbrate should allow it to dominate, the P47 outperforms it as well. Factor in the overheat time making the Ta have a maximum possible engagement of 12 minutes before engine failure and you can see how all a P47 really needs to do is keep the pressure on and eventually the Ta is forced to dive and extend away...and this is assuming that the Ta has the initial position advantage of being higher than the P47. If bounced instead, the Ta really has no effective options to regain the fight against a well flown P47.


Everyone always says that people whine too much because the Ta152 is flown down low and does poorly, they are chided about using the plane out of it's element and told to fly it up high where it dominates.

But it doesn't dominate up high, it's a poor high alitude fighter and one that appears to be nearly opposite of its intended design. It doesn't fly well down low, doesn't fly well in the mid altitudes and doesn't fly well up high. All the Ta152 has is speed but overheat time is so short that it generally makes it difficult or impossible to take advantage of the speed...so where is this aircraft supposed to be dominating at?


I've been flying the 190 series since IL2 original, the D9 from FB release and the Ta152 since AEP release. I was involved with the beta testing as well...I can't see where this plane is such a stellar performer and it is my primary mount. No disrespect intended to anyone, but I really think that those who say the Ta should be flown up high don't fly it there in the first place...they are just assuming that since it was designed to fly there, thats where it should be flown.

But it does no better at 10k+ and I have spent a considerable amount of time up there testing it out. Best altitude for the Ta is 4-6k using BnZ tactics as far as I can tell, though I personally still fly it on the deck where the action is.

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Hmm, I always down nosy P47s that follow me high in my Ta152. Both offline and online. I actually find the P47 a rather easy target when I spot it and go after it as target of opportunity. Don't know man, it's also the fact the 152 behaves better in high altitudes, not only the extra boost. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Also I find your test not appropriate. Why will a Tank pilot try to have sustained climb rates against a powerful (as well) P47? The trick is to get a quicky advantage (with full power and GM-1) and then Boom him before you hit the overheat threshold. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Fehler
06-10-2004, 02:11 AM
1. The high alt model in this game is wacky.

2. Ever look at the Ta's wings? They are like glider wings. When have you ever seen a glider go into a flat spin? Even Tank himself said it was nearly impossible and in fact he had to really work on getting the thing to stall. And the stalls were easily recovered by simply letting go of the stick. (Again because of the wing design)

Yet in the game we have a Ta that stalls faster than the other FW family of planes, climbs worse than all the others, and rolls worse. The only thing I can agree with is the roll.

And to compound the frustration, we have other planes that can drive around turns like they are on a rail, even near stall speeds, yet never stall unless the pilot is a serious ham fist.

Even with a slight energy advantage for the Ta, any P51 can catch it in a climb at any altitude. I think Kurt Tank was telling a lie when he said he flew away from 2 P51's just after take-off. He obviously lied, and was shot down and killed and an imposter Kurt Tank was put in his place. Or perhaps it was a clone, you know like the ones from Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

All I know is that everything about the plane (As you look at it) says, "Fly my at high altitude!" The huge paddle bladed props for cutting into thin air. The long thin tapered wings (Like a sea gull) for maximum lift at thin altitudes. The GM-1 boost for added combustion in the combustion chamber at nose bleed altitudes. Yet the Spit can out turn it high up, as can the P47, with no special wing design, and catch it in a climb at those alts as well, without any special provisional boost.

I have found that the Dora (Not a particularly stellar high altitude plane) can outperform the Ta-152 at high altitude. So why on earth did Tank or his imposter even bother to develop the thing? Logic would dictate that either Tank was a loony, or the game is wrong. I would speculate that it is the latter instead of the former.

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LEXX_Luthor
06-10-2004, 02:19 AM
Ta high altitude performance is somewhat crippled after this Patch. They took 20km/hr high altitude speed and gave it to sea level Ta speed.

When AEP was first releaced, everybody Whined about Ta sea level performance not uber enough, and NOBODY at ubi.com except one (1) fan of Canada's LEXX tried to fly Ta up high where it was uber then.

What Oleg did in Patch is give us Ta~152C in H body until Ta~152C is releaced then will return H high altitude performance where nobody will fly it anyway cos they can't get socially acceptable screenshots from 10km.

We got what we wanted -- Ta~152C sea level Fantasy Plane.

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WUAF_Badsight
06-10-2004, 02:39 AM
@ Zen . . . .

4 - 6 K ?

i know you have a power hole at 7 K cause of running out of supercharger boost (i imagine) & have to wait for 8-9 K when you can hit the GM1

the Ta-152 doesnt deserve its RL reputation if FB's Ta-152 is a accurate FM

which i doubt it is

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WUAF_Badsight
06-10-2004, 02:39 AM
BTW is anyone getting 17 second turns out of the Ta-152 ?

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kubanloewe
06-10-2004, 03:20 AM
I prefer the spit HF instead the TA ! better clinmbing,better Handling,better acceleration,no overheating and over 700kmh in 8500m is fast enough to catch the TA.

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Prof.Wizard
06-10-2004, 07:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kubanloewe:
I prefer the spit HF instead the TA ! better clinmbing,better Handling,better acceleration,no overheating and over 700kmh in 8500m is fast enough to catch the TA.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Only problem... you haven't see ASM1's thread... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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ASM 1
06-10-2004, 09:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kubanloewe:
I prefer the spit HF instead the TA ! better clinmbing,better Handling,better acceleration,no overheating and over 700kmh in 8500m is fast enough to catch the TA.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Only problem... you haven't see ASM1's thread... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Hehe thanks wiz! Managed to wax 2 flights of spitIXe's - once with unlimited ammo and once without - BTW this was me on my tod http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif no help - didnt emerge undamaged and had a few hairy moments... but got her home in more or less one piece...

So our TA152 H is more like a C now? Can't say I noticed....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif
must go fly against P47's and see what the fuss is about.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Zen--
06-10-2004, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
Hmm, I always down nosy P47s that follow me high in my Ta152. Both offline and online. I actually find the P47 a rather easy target when I spot it and go after it as target of opportunity. Don't know man, it's also the fact the 152 behaves better in high altitudes, not only the extra boost. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Also I find your test not appropriate. Why will a Tank pilot try to have sustained climb rates against a powerful (as well) P47? The trick is to get a quicky advantage (with full power and GM-1) and then Boom him before you hit the overheat threshold. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It's not Luftwaffe propaganda or anything. It's that I've downed so many P47 in a Tank I've lost count... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Prof, I'm not sure where to begin replying to your comments, but it seems that you are describing rather one sided engagements when you are fighting the P47 and ignoring the FM issues with the Tank.

Comments like "I always down nosy P47s that follow me high in my Ta152" and "I actually find the P47 a rather easy target when I spot it and go after it as target of opportunity" tell me that you have the advantage over the P47 because you are already on the offense. Apparently you are already higher and/or faster than the P47...while that's great and I applaud your tactical savvy, it pretty much ignores anything I've said in one sweeping generalization and only talks about you attacking them first. Almost any fighter is going to do well if he is able to attack a target of opportunity, don't you think? If I come in 200kph faster than you because I am attacking from above, does it really matter what altitude we are at and what kind of plane that I am flying? I am already above you, already faster than you and already on the offensive. The question is not who will do well when they already have the advantage, it's who is going to be able to gain the advantage in the first place.

Your comment on thinking the test is not valid also tells me that you don't seem to understand energy fighting nor the subtler points of high altitude modelling in this game. It also seems to miss the point of the test in the first place...which is to compare the performance of these two planes against each other. Performance is much more than who can attack while already having an advantage, it is about who can generate the advantage either by turning, climbing or both or who can take the advantage away from the other guy by superior performance. In this case it appears that the P47 is the better fighter up high because it can outturn and outclimb the Tank...but doesn't that contradict the reputation, design and concept of the Ta152?

The point is that you cannot quickly gain the advantage by using full power and GM1...the P47 is powerful enough to be competitive and takes far longer to overheat. This gives the P47 more PRACTICAL power up high and means that it can sustain a high altitude fight much better than the Ta can. Very simply it means that the Ta does poorly at it's intended job of high altitude, so I ask again, where is the altitude that this plane is supposed to dominate at?

-Zen-

james8325
06-10-2004, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kubanloewe:
I prefer the spit HF instead the TA ! better clinmbing,better Handling,better acceleration,no overheating and over 700kmh in 8500m is fast enough to catch the TA.

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Hmmm. just the other night i was in a ta at about 8000m with a spit hf on me. i havent played in a while, so when i lost advantage i had to get out of there. i put the throttle to full and left the spit in the dust. i have yet to see a plane keep up with me when im in the ta.

Zen--
06-10-2004, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
@ Zen . . . .

4 - 6 K ?

i know you have a power hole at 7 K cause of running out of supercharger boost (i imagine) & have to wait for 8-9 K when you can hit the GM1

the Ta-152 doesnt deserve its RL reputation if FB's Ta-152 is a accurate FM

which i doubt it is

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4-6k is a generic altitude that any plane can use http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VOL_Hans
06-10-2004, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
However the mere prospect of going up against 8 B17's or B25's gives me the heebie jeebies http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif I'll leave that to the "Experten". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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I think I heard it called "Controlled Suicide" one time, lmao

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06-11-2004, 03:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Hans:
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I think I heard it called "Controlled Suicide" one time, lmao
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Yeah nasty.... no wonder the Luftwaffe pilots were "frightened to death" going up to face all those guns http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

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Prof.Wizard
06-11-2004, 10:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:

Prof, I'm not sure where to begin replying to your comments, but it seems that you are describing rather one sided engagements when you are fighting the P47 and ignoring the FM issues with the Tank.

Comments like "I always down nosy P47s that follow me high in my Ta152" and "I actually find the P47 a rather easy target when I spot it and go after it as target of opportunity" tell me that you have the advantage over the P47 because you are already on the offense. Apparently you are already higher and/or faster than the P47...while that's great and I applaud your tactical savvy, it pretty much ignores anything I've said in one sweeping generalization and only talks about you attacking them first. Almost any fighter is going to do well if he is able to attack a target of opportunity, don't you think? If I come in 200kph faster than you because I am attacking from above, does it really matter what altitude we are at and what kind of plane that I am flying? I am already above you, already faster than you and already on the offensive. The question is not who will do well when they already have the advantage, it's who is going to be able to gain the advantage in the first place.

Your comment on thinking the test is not valid also tells me that you don't seem to understand energy fighting nor the subtler points of high altitude modelling in this game. It also seems to miss the point of the test in the first place...which is to compare the performance of these two planes against each other. Performance is much more than who can attack while already having an advantage, it is about who can generate the advantage either by turning, climbing or both or who can take the advantage away from the other guy by superior performance. In this case it appears that the P47 is the better fighter up high because it can outturn and outclimb the Tank...but doesn't that contradict the reputation, design and concept of the Ta152?

The point is that you cannot quickly gain the advantage by using full power and GM1...the P47 is powerful enough to be competitive and takes far longer to overheat. This gives the P47 more PRACTICAL power up high and means that it can sustain a high altitude fight much better than the Ta can. Very simply it means that the Ta does poorly at it's intended job of high altitude, so I ask again, where is the altitude that this plane is supposed to dominate at?

-Zen-
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Zen, where did I imply that *I* had the tactical advantage in the dogfight? Trust me, in my offline tests I always fight disadvantaged and on lower altitude and yes I understand energy fighting.

I only tried to prove (actually didn't try much...) that your testbed IMHO is wrong cause you try to show the world that actually the P47 can outclimb the Ta152 in sustained climbs. As everyone here knows the Tank is undermodelled (in high-altitude after the patch) which is something to expect. However your test as I said is wrong cause it's not realistic cause you only try to show that the P47 is stronger...

WE KNOW IT IS STRONGER, it was really strong in real life and I expect it to be on the sim as well. But this considered, don't even compare a fighter-bomber (like the Jug) with a high-altitude fighter cause in a fair head-to-head fight chances are that the 152 will smoke the P47 on the first pass... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
And if it doesn't succeed, on the first ZnB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Prof.Wizard
06-11-2004, 11:00 AM
IMO the Ta152 can take almost anything at GM1 altitude. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Even with its 'simulated problems' it's still powerful.

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Zen--
06-11-2004, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
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Zen, where did I imply that *I* had the tactical advantage in the dogfight? Trust me, in my offline tests I always fight disadvantaged and on lower altitude and yes I understand energy fighting.

I only tried to prove (actually didn't try much...) that your testbed IMHO is wrong cause you try to show the world that actually the P47 can outclimb the Ta152 in sustained climbs. As everyone here knows the Tank is undermodelled (in high-altitude after the patch) which is something to expect. However your test as I said is wrong cause it's not realistic cause you only try to show that the P47 is stronger...

WE KNOW IT IS STRONGER, it was really strong in real life and I expect it to be on the sim as well. But this considered, don't even compare a fighter-bomber (like the Jug) with a high-altitude fighter cause in a fair head-to-head fight chances are that the 152 will smoke the P47 on the first pass... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
And if it doesn't succeed, on the first ZnB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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What kind of response is this?

You first say the TA is better than the P47, that my tests are wrong, that all I am trying to do is show the P47 is better.

Now you say everyone knows the P47 is stronger in the game because the Ta is undermodelled.

Then you say the P47 is a fighter bomber and its not right to compare it with the Ta and that the Ta will defeat the P47 on the first Bnz.

The post after this one you say that the Ta can still take anything even if it's undermodelled.


Ok partner http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I don't really have anything to say with that kind of logic.

-Zen-

Prof.Wizard
06-11-2004, 03:15 PM
Zen, I don't have time to post in detail, neither time to run useless tests of "who's climbing better me or the Jug"... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I don't try to prove anything other than that your tests DON'T prove anything. We know P47's air-cooled engine runs cooler for a longer duration but I don't understand the purpose of your silly test. That's all.

I've killed (and seen killed) many P47s in high-altitude fights so your test means nothing to me. The plane is probably undermodelled and it's the only thing we might agree. Still it can kill a P47 in no time.

Want a real unbiased test? Set AI fights in QMB @ 10000m 4on4 (or 1on1) 152s vs 47s. At same experience level the 152s win 3-to-1 all the time.

Next time run a more useful test and whine less... partner. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Prof.Wizard
06-11-2004, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
The point is that you cannot quickly gain the advantage by using full power and GM1...the P47 is powerful enough to be competitive and takes far longer to overheat. This gives the P47 more PRACTICAL power up high and means that it can sustain a high altitude fight much better than the Ta can. Very simply it means that the Ta does poorly at it's intended job of high altitude, so I ask again, where is the altitude that this plane is supposed to dominate at?
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And to come back to your previous point. The trick with the Ta152 is to score the kill with its immense climbing capability BEFORE it overheats the engine. Something your "testbed" is not taking into account since you only try to prove that the P47 will eventually reach the Tank because of overheating...

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CV8_Dudeness
06-11-2004, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:

Want a real unbiased test? Set AI fights in QMB @ 10000m 4on4 (or 1on1) 152s vs 47s. At same experience level the 152s win 3-to-1 all the time.
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thats a useless test

AI fight better or worse in different planes

Yak 3 AI fight REAL hard but KI AI give up

Zero AI fight real hard but Mustang AI give up

try against a human player who knows his plane B4 you go ****ging off people here

its a close run thing between the TA & the Jug

id lay money on the Jug because of its high alt speed & durability over the much more delicate Ta-152

Prof.Wizard
06-11-2004, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CV8_Dudeness:
thats a useless test

AI fight better or worse in different planes

Yak 3 AI fight REAL hard but KI AI give up

Zero AI fight real hard but Mustang AI give up
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Hmm, why should this be happening? The algorithm tries to fly the aircraft at the best of its capabilities. So far these kind of "useless" tests as you call them all give me expected results though. So I don't disqualify them.

ie. Hurricane vs G50 give me 4:1 for the Hurricanes
P51 vs 109K is 1:1 more or less
and so on...

I don't imply it's perfect, but it gives you some insight.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
try against a human player who knows his plane B4 you go ****ging off people here<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not '****ging' anyone, I'm on the defense here. I didn't start calling people "partners".

BTW, the same applies for you when you fly your P47 against Ta152s. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
its a close run thing between the TA & the Jug

id lay money on the Jug because of its high alt speed & durability over the much more delicate Ta-152<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whatevee...
id lay money on the Tank
firepower & burst thrust over the much more useless sustained P47

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aGunfighter
06-11-2004, 04:52 PM
Fighting a-i's can not and will not tell the accuracy of the FMs.
Period.

ASM 1
06-11-2004, 05:52 PM
ummm kiddies - I didn't start this thread to become a whine fest... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif all I did was post MY experience..... Yeah ok I did ask for testing but this is becoming a bit too heated for my taste .

And BEFORE anyone starts on me - I'm not a one plane wonder either - went and did the same in the spit IX to 6 TA's LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif c'mon lighten up! Its only a game.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif who am I kidding? Its a way of life lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nor do I solely fly and enjoy the TA - 109 is my next fav (G6/AS, G2, F4, K4) and yes I do fly the american planes - P51 C is lovely, the .50 cals are another matter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif......

I know I asked... but can we all calm down please?

S!

Andrew

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CV8_Dudeness
06-11-2004, 06:14 PM
yes that test was useless

the AI do not fly each plane as well as it can TnB (cause the AI do TnB & only extend when they chase you)

look at hoe pathetic the TnB in jets

as for the props ..... they put up a harder fight in certian planes but give up easy in others

i dont think the TA was bad IRL ....... im convinced it was uber dominant especially at high alt

one of the top 5 prop fighters from the fourties & fifties

but in FB the P47 can work the advantage over the Ta-152 at high , high alt

HuninMunin
06-11-2004, 06:29 PM
Who cares how KTF ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif )performes in high-alt!?
I love the "between the trees" TnB engagements.
4 Spits are sitting ducks, 6 ace-spits are a little bit challanging.
But 8 Spitfires, on the deck and in a turning fight on FR, well thats fun! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

BTW: Andrew; 711?!?! WTF?
How long was I away?
I somehow fell like the new guy now, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

S!

Wotan`s Raven

Gwalker70
06-11-2004, 08:28 PM
just as a side note.. after playing with the Dora and the TA I find the Dora a much better plane to get some score going agianst the various planes in FBACE hyperlobby(and I am a high alt junkie as well) .. the TA just doesnt cut it .. its more of a LAN squad game type of plane that you roleplay with or whatever. it doesnt accelerate-turn-climb historicaly(or maybe a lot other planes do to well ) and overheats a lot. oh well someday somebody will give the germans some justice.. sure as heck wont be a russian http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

noshens
06-11-2004, 08:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
just as a side note.. after playing with the Dora and the TA I find the Dora a much better plane to get some score going agianst the various planes in FBACE hyperlobby(and I am a high alt junkie as well) .. the TA just doesnt cut it .. its more of a LAN squad game type of plane that you roleplay with or whatever. it doesnt accelerate-turn-climb historicaly(or maybe a lot other planes do to well ) and overheats a lot. oh well someday somebody will give the germans some justice.. sure as heck wont be a russian http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

your infallible logic is amazing. the proof you provide is undisputable



(my 500th spam, woohoo!)

Prof.Wizard
06-12-2004, 12:20 AM
Everyone is entitled of his opinion! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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WUAF_Toad
06-12-2004, 12:39 AM
P47 better than TA up high??? Lies...all lies.

TheGozr
06-12-2004, 01:09 AM
I think it depend when the pilots of the P47 get use to the altitud the P47 may win.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

actionhank1786
06-12-2004, 01:41 AM
I can't fly anything, at any altitude...
Oi vey

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Actionhank
~Aaron White

dadada1
06-12-2004, 02:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
I think it depend when the pilots of the P47 get use to the altitud the P47 may win.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you have two evenly matched pilots flying at altitude the Ta should still outmanouver, outclimb, and outpace the P47. There really is no other conclusion you can draw, thats where the TA is meant to peform at its best. If it is a close call between these two fighters something is wrong.

From Dietmar Harmanns book "Focke Wulf Ta 152". The following tactic was successfully used: If the Ta 152H pilot survived the first attack by the Mustang he could use the tighter turning cirle of his aircraft to reach firing position. The pilots of the tank also did not have to fear P47 thunderbolts or Hawker Tempests, several victories prove." Also from the same book. "This was a very difficult time for the handful of Ta 152 pilots, dealing with attacks from all sides while constantly outnumbered was sometimes impossible. But the Ta 152 demonstrated its qualities as a fighter in these defensive battles. Its high speed, tight turning radius and enormous climb rate must have brought many P47 and Tempest pilots to he point of desparation."

Captain Eric brown thought the Ta's manouverability above 10,000 metres to be superior to the Spitfire XIX, a specialised recconaissance aircraft. This does'nt sound like the Ta we have. This is my personnal assessment of the Ta. It performs okay at low to medium altitudes, but since the patch it has lost some of it's turning ability. Its energy retention is also better since the patch. It does climb and accelerate better than before at these altitudes but it's no world beater, but I don't take issue with that. What does concern me is that it cannot exploit its superior climb or speed at high altitude due to its rapid oveheat, sureley incorrect. It has lost some of it's high altitude speed since the patch. It cannot significantly outmanouver other AC at altitude where its High apspect ratio wings should perform better than non specialised designs. It feels like they've sacrificed some of its high altitude performance in order to boost the low to medium.

I would prefer that accuracy take precedence over gameplay and that the Ta performs best where it should, up high. This is not meant to be a babbling rant, more of a reflective rant.

Gwalker70
06-12-2004, 03:26 AM
yeah according to all the material I have a room full of books and charts specs ect and the internet.. a well flown TA should do VERY well if flown to its design.. but not so in FB I ride in the Dora now I droped the TA and in this patch a well flown P51 will eat a Dora or a TA for lunch no problem thats just wrong oh well like I said... some day ROFL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

Zen--
06-12-2004, 03:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
Zen, I don't have time to post in detail, neither time to run useless tests of "who's climbing better me or the Jug"... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I don't try to prove anything other than that your tests DON'T prove anything. We know P47's air-cooled engine runs cooler for a longer duration but I don't understand the purpose of your silly test. That's all.

I've killed (and seen killed) many P47s in high-altitude fights so your test means nothing to me. The plane is probably undermodelled and it's the only thing we might agree. Still it can kill a P47 in no time.

Want a real unbiased test? Set AI fights in QMB @ 10000m 4on4 (or 1on1) 152s vs 47s. At same experience level the 152s win 3-to-1 all the time.

Next time run a more useful test and whine less... partner. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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You amaze me.

You actually think -testing- climbrate is useless? How do you think that 'burst power' of the Ta152 is proven...just because you say so, the Ta152 is better? Is that how you prove it?.................wow.


WOW.

-Zen-

ASM 1
06-12-2004, 03:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Who cares how KTF ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif )performes in high-alt!?
I love the "between the trees" TnB engagements.
4 Spits are sitting ducks, 6 ace-spits are a little bit challanging.
But 8 Spitfires, on the deck and in a turning fight on FR, well thats fun! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

BTW: Andrew; 711?!?! WTF?
How long was I away?
I somehow fell like the new guy now, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

S!

Wotan`s Raven<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif Dunno how long you were away mate - I post a thread about your fave plane and it takes you to the third page to get in here?!?! come on man! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

TNB between the trees - god you are braver than me mate! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif - I had my fun up high.....

thats 712 now LOL! - too many late nights/early mornings - writing up a dissertation for my masters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif of course I am in here more often than not.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


How long HAVE you been away???

S!

Andrew

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Prof.Wizard
06-12-2004, 03:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
You amaze me.

You actually think -testing- climbrate is useless? How do you think that 'burst power' of the Ta152 is proven...just because you say so, the Ta152 is better? Is that how you prove it?.................wow.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No. YOU amaze me when you continuously try to make Ta152 seem like cr@p with trivial tests. I didn't say climbrate is useless, it's the essence of victory for all BnZ aircrafts. What I said is in MY tests I can outclimb the P47 and make my Zoom move BEFORE my engine overheats. It's undermodelled (as dadada1 showed), but still it can kill a P47 for fun.

I firmly believe this is the trick until next patch gives the Tank back some of its real high-altitude performance and a longer full-throttle operation before overheating kicks in.

Zen, admit it... your testbed and methods were a waste of time. They proved nothing, buddy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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HuninMunin
06-12-2004, 07:05 AM
I dunno.
A week?
Someone messed up my windows http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif .
I may repeat myself but I love this plane.
I mean, IT TURNS WITH SPITFIRES http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif .
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

S!

Wotan`s Raven

ASM 1
06-12-2004, 09:36 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif about loving this plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Crashed windows is never good... and bloody time consuming to put right/rebuild http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif which is why I am hoping mine lasts another few weeks....

S!

Andrew

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Franzen
06-12-2004, 11:14 AM
I tried the Ta152 lastnight online against Spits and 109s. I'm not a BnZer but it worked well with this plane. I easily blasted 2 planes out of the sky right away. No one could catch me either. Although I have very little experience flying the Ta152 it seemed to handle better than any of the 190s. I imagine a well practiced BnZer would be deadly. I still prefer the A4 though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Prof.Wizard
06-12-2004, 12:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
I tried the Ta152 lastnight online against Spits and 109s. I'm not a BnZer but it worked well with this plane. I easily blasted 2 planes out of the sky right away. No one could catch me either. Although I have very little experience flying the Ta152 it seemed to handle better than any of the 190s. I imagine a well practiced BnZer would be deadly. I still prefer the A4 though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Grats mate! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Was it a high-altitude dogfight?

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Franzen
06-12-2004, 01:38 PM
No, it was a low alt dfight. Had it been a high alt fight I would have lowered them down and then blasted them. High alt fights are boring. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen