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Bearcat99
02-18-2005, 06:57 AM
Tonight at 2100 hrs EST... on The History Channel..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Taylortony
02-18-2005, 12:27 PM
and i skinned his plane some time ago http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The190Flyer
02-18-2005, 01:31 PM
I saw that advertised last night while I was watching.... The Last Days of WWII, that was a great show also, continues into tonight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

S! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

a.k.a. BIFF P-51 PILOT in ubi.com lobbies

Howie A
02-18-2005, 02:03 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It will be something to look forward to. I don't know the real guy.

Bearcat99
02-18-2005, 02:56 PM
Well there ia a (cough cough...) movie coming out soon starring Tom Cruise called "The Few" that is supposed to be about him. How they got 40 something Tom playing 20 something Billy.... ahhhh well... I am curious to see what this film will be like anyway and I will reserve all opinion on it untill after it comes out. I hope the aerial scenes are realistic and I hope it is more than just the Hollywood heroic lovetriangle action flick. In the meantime I will be taping this thing since I have to work tonight. I would like to see what the real Billy Fiske was about.

steve_v
02-18-2005, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
(cough cough...) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif
History Channel at my house tonight

huggy87
02-18-2005, 03:28 PM
This topic always gets our British friends riled up. This should be interesting.

Jasko76
02-18-2005, 03:31 PM
Who's Billy Fiske? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TigerStolly
02-18-2005, 03:33 PM
Riled up ?

Why would Americans re-writing our history and telling us that America won the Battle of Britain get us riled up ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

So, how many Luftflotte does Tom destroy in Top Gun II: How America won the war ?

I'm looking forward to the scene where the dashing Cruise lands at a battered RAF base and tells the all but defeated RAF how to fight the Luftwaffe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Feathered_IV
02-18-2005, 03:33 PM
Gets your Australian friends riled too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

Zyzbot
02-18-2005, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Who's Billy Fiske? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fiske, "Billy" (William M. L. III)

b. June 4, 1911, New York, NY
d. Aug. 17, 1940

Born into a wealthy family, Fiske was at school in Europe in 1928 when he and a few other Americans formed a bobsled team to enter the Winter Olympics at St. Moritz, Switzerland. The fearless sixteen-year-old Fiske was chosen to drive the five-man sled, and he drove it to a gold medal. He's still the youngest American athlete to win a gold medal at the Winter Olympics.

Four years later, he won another gold medal as driver of the winning four-man sled in the Lake Placid Olympics. Fiske also won the Grand National championship on the famed Cresta Run in Switzerland in 1936 and 1938.

Fiske married the Countess of Warwick in 1938 and he joined the British Royal Air Force in 1939, shortly after World War II began. He was seriously wounded on a mission over England in June of 1940. He landed his plane successfully but died of his injuries two months later.

3.JG51_BigBear
02-18-2005, 03:56 PM
Yeah I saw this while watching an older show about the Nuremburg trials last night. Looks pretty interesting. I bet anything the movie will blow, it'll be another Pearl Harbor or some such garbage.

Jasko76
02-18-2005, 04:04 PM
I see. He died in June 1940, before BoB had really began, during Kanalkampf... so what did he do to deserve a move about him? I've honestly never heard of this pilot!

But... for the sake of flying, Spitfires and BoB I will go and see that movie.

Stiglr
02-18-2005, 07:31 PM
He was the first American to die in the battle, so that's the reason to puff chests out and Americanize the story. Never mind all the Brits and Poles and French who died earlier in the war.

I suppose also him being an Olympic athlete adds some dimension to the story, too.

Not to say he didn't lead a short and momentous life, mind you... it's just that Hollywood's lack of, uh, sense of perspective, yah, that's it, is what galls people from other countries.

Zyzbot
02-18-2005, 07:37 PM
To be fair...the British made a big deal out of his death for political reasons too:

"July 4th : American Independence Day 1941. On this day a special plaque was installed in the crypt of St. Paul's Cathedral, London. The plaque was to honor the first American serving in the British forces to die for England and for freedom in the Second Word War.

The ceremony was headed by Sir Archibald Sinclair, then Secretary of State for Air and
was at the instigation of Winston Churchill who knew well the importance of the USA as a force for world order."
http://www.warbirdart.demon.co.uk/op-amrcnfrnd.html

SkyChimp
02-18-2005, 08:32 PM
Is history being re-written? Is that what's going on? I though this was just an American film about an American pilot. I was unware that the Brits were incapable of producing their own movies about their own folks.

BaldieJr
02-18-2005, 08:44 PM
Beyond this point lies slackers.

huggy87
02-18-2005, 10:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:
This topic always gets our British friends riled up. This should be interesting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Point, Huggy.

Bearcat99
02-18-2005, 10:55 PM
Oh give it a rest!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
HELLLOOOO!!!! Did anyone see the HISTORY CHANNEL piece??!! I missed it cause I had to work job #2.... I really dont care about the Cruise movie... for one thing it isnt out yet and I have NO IDEA and NIETHER DOES ANYONE ELSE about what it will be about (SO GET OVER IT.. wait till it comes out and if it bites then leter rip!!) , and for another that isnt what this thread is about I just mentioned it because it was about the same person as the history channel piece... so before you yahoos go any farther on this rewriting history tiff.... SOMEBODY PLEEEAAASEEESE tell me..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif How was the History Channel piece? Was there good Spitfire footage? Was the info about Fiske well done? Did it go into a lot about the man or did it concentrate only on the war? How was the piece? ENOUGH of the "You Yanks are re writing our history. OoooOoOOOOOooO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif BS. Believe me.... when the movie comes out if it bites then blast away..... but... HOW WAS THE HC piece? If you didnt see it then....... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Bearcat99
02-18-2005, 11:02 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Oh never mind... its coming on again right this very moment!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

heywooood
02-18-2005, 11:06 PM
classic thread for this board....one big, happy, and typically dysfunctional family.

Skychimp makes a good point though...

Piece of Cake was good...

I would really like to see a German production of the Battle...Wolfgang Petersen did an awesome job on Das Boot, maybe someone should talk to him about it?...

Bearcat99
02-18-2005, 11:22 PM
Well I must say... so far this thing is pretty good... what an interesting man. Actually if the movie made the whole war thing the last 45 minutes of the film.. and concentrated on the other sides of his life.. it could be a very good film. I am impressed with the man. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Howie A
02-18-2005, 11:31 PM
To me his was a remarkable story to tell and very revealing, right down to the words of his surviving wingman who was a deep personal friend. He had everything going for him in the States: plenty of money, attractive new wife, and a planned home in beautiful Colorado. He forsook it all placing the urgency to fight Hitler in defense of Britain. He also risked fine and imprisonment but got away with faking Canadian birth.

I thought it interesting his instructor said he was the most natural of all pilots he had ever seen. And he got along with everyone, even the maintenance crew with whom he had great respect; it appears he was dearly thought of. He was eager to fight and was frustrated until finally the onslaught began. Its claimed by his fellow pilots he was probably responsible for downing 5 or 6 Germans tho they could not be confirmed. When his plane was shot down the medics said it was amazing he even landed it, his entire lower body was badly burned, as well as his hands. Two days later he died.

This is a story about an honorable man and nothing to do with Tom Cruise. I may have missed it and no doubt continue be misled by a lot of people dismissing him because of Hollywood... thanks Bear.

compass1
02-19-2005, 06:04 AM
For Gods sake not this again! As a Brit I can honestly say anyone who died in the name of freedom deserves a movie making about them and if it involves Tom Cruise all the better, after all he's a warbird owner,charismatic, and has recently made some superb films.If we had a film industry that was 'nt afraid to be patriotic we'd be making this movie because the RAF in 1940 was full of rich,upper class people who gave everything to stop tyranny and injustice. By the way anybody heard of Andy Mamedoff, Shorty Keough and Red Tobin? Just some of the first American volunteers to fight with us in 1940. Cheers everyone and remember-"Track IR-it's the only way"

Bearcat99
02-19-2005, 06:53 AM
Red Tobin rings a bell for some reason....

indylavi
02-19-2005, 07:47 AM
I agree, this nonsense about "rewriting history" is getting a bit much. After all it is Hollywood. For those that don't know Hollywood is in California and California is a state in the United States. I pick up the BBC on my satellite. However, I don't go around complaining about the lack of American views or how the British are always painted as heroes. Fund some movies and make your own. I'd love to see British WWII movies. Just don't blame somebody else for the lack of motivation on your part.

I'd expect any movie made by a country to reflect somewhat of their view. Also, I'm quite shocked the world takes Hollywood so seriously. I didn't know a movie instantly erased history and books. To say anybody won WWII by themselves is beyond narrow minded. The British didn't win it, The US didn't, Russia didn't, nobody did it by themselves. We all won it together. That's what makes it such a special part of history. All freedom loving people united. I'm grateful to anybody, American, British, Scottish, French,Aussie, Russian, etc.. that fought. An American made movie about an American person. What did you expect? I've got an idea for a movie. It's about an American pilot in WWII who fights for the UK. Ah so it's going to be about him leaving his own country to fight for his historical homeland? No, it actually shows how the Polish fought but I figured we'd just throw an American in there

geetarman
02-19-2005, 08:22 AM
What did he do? He was a New Yorker who joined the RAF to fight Germans. Some US production company decided to make a movie about him, most probably with financing from others in the US. They got one of the biggest US moive stars to play the lead. Should make a lot of money in the US.

Starting to get it? If some Brits/Aussies, etc. don't like it, make your own movie.

P.S. No one has seen the movie yet, how the hell do you know who it will play out.

Stolly
02-19-2005, 02:54 PM
If the film told his story nobody would care, its his story after all. Apparently however the film has young Billy carrying out all sorts of heroic acts that in reality were carried out by other people after he was dead. British, Canadian, Australian, Czech, Polish, French etc etc.

I wonder what Americans would feel about battle of Midway film that had 3 Japanese carriers sunk by an Aussie or British pilot who was actually already dead ?

indylavi
02-19-2005, 03:16 PM
Honestly, Stolly I wouldn't care. If they made a movie and it was made by Aussie's I wouldn't bat an eye. Films are films for a reason. They are NOT documentaries. It's entertainment. Even if they made a movie about aliens coming to earth to help defend the Alamo. Through in some cool special effects, maybe a naked hot chick or two and I'd watch it

I didn't care that Kate Beckinsale was in Pearl Habor. Actually I wouldn't complain anytime she's on screen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Movies always have a dramatic license. They are not meant to be taken a fact. Anybody who does so is.... well I don't have a nice way to say it so I won't. Usually movies show a story to give a moral. Any story that shows fighting to protect freedom from Evil (evil is subjective just used to make a point) and the hero is willing to sacrifice their life for others. I feel is a good lesson. It matters not what the character is or who they are. It's about showing you that freedom is not cheap. The ultimate goal of a movie is to get you to think or entertain you. NOT and I repeat NOT to teach you facts.

Fliegeroffizier
02-19-2005, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stolly:
If the film told his story nobody would care, its his story after all. Apparently however the film has young Billy carrying out all sorts of heroic acts that in reality were carried out by other people after he was dead. British, Canadian, Australian, Czech, Polish, French etc etc.....

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same ol' attitude everytime a thread starts about Billy Fiske..amazing.

To my knowledge, and considerable research, there has been absolutely NOTHING published/released Whatsoever concerning the Script for the PROPOSED movie!!!(which may, in fact, be totally stagnant and certainly Not yet in production)...

Amazing then that you, sir, apparently already know so much about the plot/script.

Could you please provide us a link to your source of such information? I'd like to read more about the script and the heroic acts(by others) which have been credited to Fiske by the scriptwriters...


By the way, Fiske was very much "Anglicized"..he attended Cambridge University, reading economics and history in 1928, at the age of 16. He tried to join the Royal Auxiliary Air Force in but was refused because he was a US Citizen; he Did take flight traiing and was licensed in 1938(or earlier).
He married his British wife in September1938, at the time of the Munich Crisis/Agreement. He tried, at that time, to join teh RAF, but was again refused because of his US citizenship.
They went to New York where he pursued business interests, which would have been very lucrative(and Safe!!).

During the coming year, Fiske cabled his friends in London to ascertain the seriousness of the situation, and they informed him that "war is inevitable." He was then told by a State Department contact in Washington, DC, that all British and French visas on US passports would be nullified in the event of war. With no time to lose, Fiske decided to leave for Britain at once, sailing on 1 September 1939(the day that Germany invaded Poland). He was finally allowed to enlist in the RAF on 18 September 1939.

Fliegeroffizier
02-19-2005, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
I see. He died in June 1940, before BoB had really began, during Kanalkampf... so what did he do to deserve a move about him? I've honestly never heard of this pilot! ...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never heard of Fiske..that's not unusual..most people haven't.

However, as you probably Do know, the 'official' Battle of Britain is usually dated as starting on 10 July 1940.

On 12 July, Fiske was transferred from a Training unit at Brize Norton to an operational squadron at Tangmere. He flew his first Operational sorties on 20 July.

Fiske died on 16 August 1940, two days after landing his damaged fighter...badly burned. This was at the very mid-point, peak of the BofB.

Stolly
02-19-2005, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
To my knowledge, and considerable research, there has been absolutely NOTHING published/released Whatsoever concerning the Script for the PROPOSED movie!!!(which may, in fact, be totally stagnant and certainly Not yet in production)...

Amazing then that you, sir, apparently already know so much about the plot/script.

Could you please provide us a link to your source of such information? I'd like to read more about the script and the heroic acts(by others) which have been credited to Fiske by the scriptwriters...


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>alarm bells started ringing when Variety, the movie world's magazine of choice, described the film's historical content. "In 1940, expert German fighters had decimated the Royal Air Force to the point that there weren't enough pilots left to fly the Spitfire planes sitting idly in hangars," it said. "Unable to rouse the US into action, a desperate Winston Churchill hatched a covert effort to recruit civilian American pilots to join the RAF. Risking prison sentences in the then-neutral US, a ragtag bunch of pilots answered the call." The magazine also looked forward to "ferocious dogfights between the overmatched American pilots and the German ace fliers".
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/news/story.jsp?story=510475

This, as far as i am aware, is the only detail we have of this film. I'm suprised you were not aware of it.

You seem to know a lot about Billy Fiske, perhaps you could draft an email to this films producers ?

Fliegeroffizier
02-19-2005, 04:38 PM
OBTL

boxmike
02-19-2005, 04:49 PM
The history of that critical phase of WWII has always a place in my heart. Today I pushed once again The Movie BoB into DVD plyr and watched the Final Battle Scene again. There is no other aerial scene to beat that IMHO.
Perhaps Billy Fiske was one of the last real adventurers. Today anyone can make his/her way to extreme action but doomed to drown into masses of similar performers. World is a bit boring these days... Here we had a guy challenging lots of things, living fast in 20's-30's and finally reaching his eXtreme in deadly aerial battle. I believe strongly that living fast that period gave him also an idea of possibility to get killed. So I do not think that Fiske was that spoiled kiddo who did not realize all possible consequences of actions.
I think that makes a really great seed for a movie. We have seen a lot of adventurers on silver screen, haven't we?
The backbone of this thread has turned into fear of Hollywood History Cheats. Darnit, I do not judge half of the world for not reading history books but watching movies. Of course it makes one mad to see history written again another way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif but the only thing is just to inform those friends talking about that movie that 'excuse me, it did not quite go like that' and get a status of a moron http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can still watch 'Pearl Harbor', only the minutes of visual effects there. Maybe the story of Billy Fiske will end up into my visual effects library. Heck, maybe it will end up next to 'Das Boot'.
Before that, I'm just looking for more WW2 flicks, now that Hollywood FX section is getting into real speed. I want Guadalcanal, I want Schweinfurt, I want Kursk, I want Tali-Ihantala, I want El-Alamein and of course re-makes of BoB,Tobruk 'n' stuff. Can U imagine something more visual than War?

Boxter

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indylavi
02-19-2005, 04:55 PM
It's just a movie. They do know it's a movie right? As in not a documentary and not intended to teach actual fact but to entertain? I really am shocked that people take it seriously. I'm serious, if this is what people think then I'm speechless. Uncle Sam rewrites History http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif What does the US government have to do with it? Aren't you aware most in Hollywood hate the US government? Also don't you know most Americans could care less if an Earthquake slid Hollywood off into the sea? Since when did Hollywood become the historical voice of the US? I must have missed a vote or something.

They talk about it as if it's propaganda being sent to every school where kids are force to watch it and it's being taught as fact. Some studio head saw a book and thought he could make a quick buck if he glammed up the story.

Bearcat99
02-19-2005, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by boxmike:
The backbone of this thread has turned into fear of Hollywood History Cheats. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by indylavi:
It's just a movie. They do know it's a movie right? As in not a documentary and not intended to teach actual fact but to entertain? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No this thread is about the documentary of Bill Fiske on the Hostory Channel last night. The movie isn t even out yet so wait until it does come out to talk about it.

The documentary was very good. As I stated earlier.. the life of Billy Fiske is the stuff that good movies are made of. Young,carismatic,good looking with abeautiful wife..... you cant make this stuff up.

BaldieJr
02-19-2005, 11:31 PM
Everybody knows John Wayne won the BoB anyways.

darkhorizon11
02-20-2005, 01:00 AM
Whoa I take offense to this. Billy Fiske is about a man who knew anti-semitism and Nazism was wrong from the beginning. Even before his country did, he stood up and blew LW out of the sky alongside many others from around the world. He deserves that much respect.

Jasko76
02-20-2005, 03:12 AM
Fliegeroffizier

Thanks for the update. I read earlier in this thread that he died in June 1940, not August as you corrected me. That changes it all, as August was the most devastating month for RAF Fighter Command... Plus he landed his crippled fighter (Hurricane I suppose?) while badly burned... wow http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Maybe he was to badly wounded and burned to make a succesfull bail out?

But I'm still surprised I haven't heard of him before!

Taylortony
02-20-2005, 04:18 AM
This is the read me i included with my skin of his Hurricane and is from the leaflet that is available at Boxted Abbey where he rests...


July 4th : American Independence Day 1941.
On this day a special plaque was installed in the crypt of St. Paul's Cathedral. London. The plaque was to honour the first American serving in the British forces to die for England and for freedom in the Second Word War. The ceremony was headed by Sir Archibald Sinclair, then Secretary of State for Air and was at the instigation of Winston Churchill who knew well the importance of the USA as a force for world order who said "Here was a young man for whom life held much. Under no kind of compulsion he came to fight for Britain. He came and he fought, and he died.".

The American pilot was P/O William S Fiske known to all as Billy Fiske.

Having witnessed the serious political developments in 1930's Europe, Billy freely volunteered to fight for Britain in the imminent conflict. He was so determined to play his part in the fight against Nazi oppression that he entered the RAF by means of forged papers which gave his nationality as Canadian only 6 days after the comencment of hostilities.
This was the unselfish act which would lead to his death at the height of the Battle of Britain on the 16th August 1940 at Tangmere aerodrome in W. Sussex S. England.
Fiske was born on 4 June 1911 in Brooklyn, New York, the son of a wealthy banking family whose ancestors had gone to America from Suffolk in the seventeenth century. He attended school in Chicago and followed his family to France in 1924. He went to Trinity Hall, Cambridge in 1928 where he read Economics and History. Billy packed a lot into the few years between his stay at Trinity Hall and his return to England in 1938 for a spell at the London office of Dillon, Reed & Co, the New York bankers.

He was an accomplished sportsman, well-known on the Cresta run at St Moritz and for many years the unbeaten champion. He led the bobsleigh team for the USA in the Winter Olympics of 1928 at St Moritz, and at the 1932 Winter Olympics at Lake Placid. At this event, he carried the flag for the Americans at the opening ceremonies, presided over by Governor Franklin D Roosevelt of New York. He was invited, but declined to lead the bobsleigh team in the 1936 Winter Olympics. The Billy Fiske trophy is named for him, the youngest Gold Medal winner, at the age of 16, in the sport.

In September 1939, more than two years before America entered the War, Billy Fiske, an American citizen, joined the Royal Air force, pledging his life and loyalty to the King, George VI. At Tangmere, nearly a year later, aged 29, he redeemed that pledge. In those 29 years, Fiske, the first American serviceman in the RAF to lose his life in action, had always lived life to the full. He died a hero's death, surely the way he would have wanted to die, fighting the enemy in the form of a patrol of Junkers 87s about 12,000 feet above the Sussex countryside, at the controls of a Hurricane P3358.Then came the last flight. On 16 August Tangmere aerodrome was singled out for attack by German dive-bombers. The Operations Record Book of No 601 Squadron records that he took off in Hurricane P3358 at 12.25 pm. Squadron Leader Sir Archibald Hope Bt led the Squadron and they were ordered to patrol over Tangmere at about 12,000 feet. The dive-bombers, Junkers 87s, were seen to cross the coast east of Selsey Bill. When the Stukas, as they were called, started to dive on Tangmere and after several sharp individual combats, known as dog fights, the enemy were eventually chased out over the coast around Pagham Harbour.
When the Hurricanes started to land back at Tangmere, Billy Fiske's Hurricane was seen "to glide over the boundary and land on its belly." The Operations Record Book stated, "Pilot Officer Fiske was seen to land on the aerodrome and his aircraft immediately caught fire. He was taken from the machine but sustained severe burns ..." He was taken to the Royal West Sussex Hospital in Chichester, but died 48 hours later from shock.
The funeral took place on 20 August 1940. As the coffin, covered with the Union Jack and the Stars and Stripes, was borne on a bier to Boxgrove Priory Church, the Central Band of the RAF played funeral marches. Overhead, the Battle of Britain raged on. The coffin was borne into the churchyard by six members of the ground staff at Tangmere. Billy's comrades, although they did not land back at Tangmere until late that day, came with him on his last journey to Boxgrove.
Billy Fiske, sportsman, golden boy, fighter pilot, is rightly honoured as the first American airman in British Service to die in World War II. Many Americans followed him. By 1941 there were enough American pilots in the RAF to form the three Eagle Squadrons, Nos 71, 121, and 132.

DeerHunterUK
02-20-2005, 04:37 AM
I hope the film does Fiske and his family justice, I realise that it probably won't have 601s Hurribuses in it and he'll probably be shown flying a Spit. I'd prefer it if they make it historically accurate as possible afterall it is about an actual person rather than a fictional character. Regardless of how many missions he flew, Fiske helped defend a country he was not born in during it's darkest hour, for that reason alone that makes him and the other volunteer pilots (regardless of nationality) heroes in my eyes.

Taylortony
02-20-2005, 05:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DeerHunterUK:
I hope the film does Fiske and his family justice, I realise that it probably won't have 601s Hurribuses in it and he'll probably be shown flying a Spit. I'd prefer it if they make it historically accurate as possible afterall it is about an actual person rather than a fictional character. Regardless of how many missions he flew, Fiske helped defend a country he was not born in during it's darkest hour, for that reason alone that makes him and the other volunteer pilots (regardless of nationality) heroes in my eyes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I am afraid is will be Spits and rumour has it he may even survive, you know he never actually shot anything down either but i digress, this is what really raises the hairs on the back on ones neck, Hollywood rewriting of history.. Give it another 30 years and they will be making films of their triumphant march into Hanoi at the end of the veitnam war

see

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/news/story.jsp?story=510475

indylavi
02-20-2005, 06:48 AM
I still think people are taking it too seriously. Nobody I knows takes Hollywood seriously and I'd advise others as well. My biggest problem is that people will start to bash the REAL Billy Fiske. Ok he didn't shoot anything down but at least he was there. At least he defended the UK. That's a whole lot more than most here can say. Movies will always been blown way off historical course.

I don't think they will be making a winning march to Hanoi movie. After all our veterans here carry guns so that **** really won't fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hollywood is not interested in history. History is boring to them. They want stuff to blow up, a handsome hero with a hot wife, then the hero dies and says... Tell my wife I love..... dead. I've been in real combat that usually doesn't happen. He is either dead before he hits the ground or too busy screaming I don't want to die to say much of anything. But it's Hollywood. It's about profit. Don't take them seriously, nobody does not even in the US

Taylortony
02-20-2005, 08:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by indylavi:
I still think people are taking it too seriously. Nobody I knows takes Hollywood seriously and I'd advise others as well. My biggest problem is that people will start to bash the REAL Billy Fiske. Ok he didn't shoot anything down but at least he was there. At least he defended the UK. That's a whole lot more than most here can say. Movies will always been blown way off historical course.

I don't think they will be making a winning march to Hanoi movie. After all our veterans here carry guns so that **** really won't fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hollywood is not interested in history. History is boring to them. They want stuff to blow up, a handsome hero with a hot wife, then the hero dies and says... Tell my wife I love..... dead. I've been in real combat that usually doesn't happen. He is either dead before he hits the ground or too busy screaming I don't want to die to say much of anything. But it's Hollywood. It's about profit. Don't take them seriously, nobody does not even in the US <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont get me wrong i was not knocking his combat record.... far from it our Country and the world owes the likes of Billy a great debt of gratitude, if it was not for the likes of him the world would be a different place today.... but it's Hollywood that is the thing, even British movie makers too.......
Bridge of the River Kwai still offends the veterans that built it to this day as it infers that they helped build it when indeed they were treated worse than animals.. I to have plodded around with a musket in my hand wondering what the F am i doing here......

indylavi
02-20-2005, 09:15 AM
Yeah, it's just movie makers. I never take any movies seriously. We need to create a historical movies house. Until then we will be stuck with greatly inflated stories driven by profit and not to the memory of those that earned the right to be remembered

The.Tyke
02-20-2005, 09:29 AM
As indy says, nobody really takes Hollywood seriously anyway. As a Brit I don't really care how they portray him, because as the end of the day he lost his life trying to help us out.
I just hope they have decent flying sequences like in the Battle of Britain film and not that terrible computer generated graphics stuff, as per Pearl Harbour !

indylavi
02-20-2005, 11:28 AM
I can't hear Pearl Harbour without thinking of the quote from one movie reviewer. "Folks, They've bombed Pearl Harbour twice" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif That movie was terrible

Bearcat99
02-20-2005, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:

I am afraid is will be Spits and rumour has it he may even survive, you know he never actually shot anything down either but i digress, this is what really raises the hairs on the back on ones neck, [b]Hollywood rewriting of history[/i].. Give it another 30 years and they will be making films of their triumphant march into Hanoi at the end of the veitnam war
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Tony you are wrong on this.. I believe he had 3 or 4 confirmed kills and one or two probables or sometung like that. Granted they may not have been in the BoB but he did get some kills.... Also... you dont even know how this movie is even going to go so how can you even say it is a rewriting of history? (Objective Burma,The Great Escape,Titanic,U-571 not withstanding..) This is what ticks me off about this whole subject and the reactions of some of you folks from Britain. Do you know it will be Spits? With CGI they can put whateve planes they want in this movie..... I would hope that they did their reseach... but I will wait for the movie to come out before I form an opinion. If it sucks it sucks.... if it is innacurate then bash away.. but lets just see what we have before we start slinging stuff around... In the meantime....The History Channel piece which is what THIS thread is about.... was done pretty well I thought. And like I said..... the story would make a great movie. In all likely hodd though... if things go true to form. the kills Fiske did get will be portrayed as happening in the BoB... while they didnt. No matter... You,me, most folks here and hopefull every british citizeen knows the truth so just enjoy the special effects. I have a DVD of nothing but the action scenes from every Warbird film I can get my hands on.

Aaron_GT
02-20-2005, 12:02 PM
I think there is a great story to be told of a great man who risked his life for a country not even his without Hollywood resorting to inventing things (as too often is the case) or twisting history. I can see the artistic merit of some amalgamation of minor characters given a 120 (or so) minute film, though. I'm not sure Tom Cruise is a good choice for the part though: he's a bit old for the role (despite being well preserved) and he brings that Top Gun baggage with him. On the other hand he is good for bums-on-seats appeal. Who else could do it and have sufficient box office appeal? Ethan Hawke, Tobey Maguire?

Also on the heels of Dark Blue World a film about the 303 squadron (Polish, but also with an American twist given its roots in a squadron formed by an American) would be good. This was (AFAIK) the highest scoring squadron during the Battle of Britain. Given how long it takes a film to get produced it is time to start working on it now to hit the screens on the 70th anniversary!

darkhorizon11
02-20-2005, 05:15 PM
Movies are entertainment my friend and even the best war ones are still twisted. If you want 100% realism then you'll have to stick with documentaries and books.