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Ratsack
03-10-2006, 05:46 AM
Does anybody know if the four Hispanos in the flyable Tempest are 'synched' like the 0.50s were?

Ratsack

Ratsack
03-10-2006, 05:46 AM
Does anybody know if the four Hispanos in the flyable Tempest are 'synched' like the 0.50s were?

Ratsack

Brain32
03-10-2006, 09:02 AM
Synced or not they work, and they work very well. The real problem of the Tempest is heavily porked rear view, and the fact that we got lowest boost version http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif , while most common one was at +11lbs.

3.JG51_BigBear
03-10-2006, 10:18 AM
I believe they're sinked but with the high visibility tracer trails there really isn't any problem hitting with them.

skabbe
03-10-2006, 11:07 AM
its less wobley in the 4.04 patch. i think they were synched.

though i have a question too. have annyone reached the Tempest top speed? if so, how?

OldMan____
03-10-2006, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skabbe:
its less wobley in the 4.04 patch. i think they were synched.

though i have a question too. have annyone reached the Tempest top speed? if so, how? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I already explained that there is a proppeler pitch speed cheat that can be don in tempest, that allows it to reach 11lbs speed level...

Just try.. nera max speed 100% than fast change to 25% (Around that) small time, back to 100 to build up rpm than back to 25.. etc...

Viper2005_
03-10-2006, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">have annyone reached the Tempest top speed? if so, how? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. The method is so simple, my young apprentice, that I shall make an anagram of it; ACTIVE DRIVEL. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Usefulness of the ACTIVE DRIVEL technique in combat, especially at low level, is debatable however...

Brain32
03-10-2006, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> though i have a question too. have annyone reached the Tempest top speed? if so, how? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I did and it reaches 608kph on the deck, historical for the 9lbs'er(which we unfortunetly have in game at that rating). If you actually meant without overheating like on normal planes then NO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Currently because of our poorest rating Tempest and it's overheating characteristics bloddy Noobfire is faster than it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
But hey everybody is happy we have the uber ufo 25lbs Spitfire, who cares about some "****" plane you actually have to learn to fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Oleg please give us proper boost rating for the Tempest(11lbs), and revise it's overheat model, we know that this plane was prone to overheating but this is rediculous.

@Oldman, 393mph deck speed with PP use? I will try it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

HelSqnProtos
03-10-2006, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:


But hey everybody is happy we have the uber ufo 25lbs Spitfire, who cares about some "****" plane you actually have to learn to fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Brain32
03-10-2006, 11:56 AM
Well Protos I didn't expect you will understand, after all managing 4 axis and 1 button which is the requirement for Spit25 ace is a dream come true for some people http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

EDIT: Apologies to the topic starter, and reasnoble people that replyed

HelSqnProtos
03-10-2006, 12:07 PM
yes ..... you go off topic on your spit rant and then its my fault. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Brain32
03-10-2006, 12:14 PM
What I can't even mention "the Holy one"?
Anyway I don't care I just want a proper Tempest...

OldMan____
03-10-2006, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> though i have a question too. have annyone reached the Tempest top speed? if so, how? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I did and it reaches 608kph on the deck, historical for the 9lbs'er(which we unfortunetly have in game at that rating). If you actually meant without overheating like on normal planes then NO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Currently because of our poorest rating Tempest and it's overheating characteristics bloddy Noobfire is faster than it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
But hey everybody is happy we have the uber ufo 25lbs Spitfire, who cares about some "****" plane you actually have to learn to fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Oleg please give us proper boost rating for the Tempest(11lbs), and revise it's overheat model, we know that this plane was prone to overheating but this is rediculous.

@Oldman, 393mph deck speed with PP use? I will try it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can´t do it tell me, I make a track. I did not tried in 4.04 (done in 4.03) but don´t think its gone.

anarchy52
03-10-2006, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
Synced or not they work, and they work very well. The real problem of the Tempest is heavily porked rear view, and the fact that we got lowest boost version http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif , while most common one was at +11lbs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All do respect Brain, but that is not true. +11 Tempests started appearing (again) from mid January 1945. Also Tempest is one of the rare planes in the game that really DID have overheating problems (among other things)

Kwiatos
03-10-2006, 06:19 PM
Tempest F.Mk V Series 1
This subversion was armed with 4 Ӕ 20 mm Hispano Mk II cannons with slightly protruding barrels.
Number built: 100


Tempest F.Mk V Series 2
This subversion was armed with 4 Ӕ 20 mm Hispano Mk V cannons with shorter barrels, a detachable rear fuselage, smaller main wheels, and other small changes.
Early aircraft were powered by 1 Ӕ Napier Sabre IIB, rated at 2,200 hp (1.640 kW), the rest was powered by 1 Ӕ Napier Sabre IIC, rated at 2,260 hp (1.685 kW)
Number built: 705


Tempest V Production

First production batch of 100 aircraft built by Hawker aircraft Ltd., Langley, Buckinghamshire. JN729-JN773, JN 792-JN822, JN854-JN877. Most aircraft completed as Series 1 (with long barrel Hispano Mark II cannon) and some as Series 2 (with short barrel Hispano Mark V cannon); some aircraft retrospectively modified to Series 2 standard. One aircraft, JN750, completed as a Tempest Mark II. Deliveries to RAF commenced 12-43, completed 5-44; average rate of production, approximately four aircraft per week.
Second production batch of 300 aircraft built by Hawker Aircraft Ltd, Langley, Buckinghamshire. EJ504, EJ518-EJ560, EJ577-EJ611, EJ626-EJ672, EJ685-EJ723, EJ739-EJ788, EJ800-EJ846, EJ859-EJ896. Series 2 aircraft, Sabre IIA engines, short-barrel cannon, spring tab ailerons. Deliveries commenced 5-44, completed 9-44; average rate of production approximately 18 aircraft per week.
Third production batch of 199 aircraft built by Hawker Aircraft Ltd, Langley, Buckinghamshire. NV639-NV682, NV695-NV735, NV749-NV793, NV917-NV948, NV960-NV996. Sabre IIB engines and spring tab ailerons. Deliveries commenced 9-44, completed 2-45; average rate of production approximately 12 aircraft per week.
Fourth and final production batch of 201 aircraft built by Hawker Aircraft Ltd, Langley, Buckinghamshire. SN102-SN146, SN159-SN190, SN205-SN238, SN253-SN296, SN301-SN355. Sabre IIB engines, universal armament provision and drop tank plumbing. Deliveries commenced 1-45, completed 6-45; average rate of production approximately 9 aircraft per week. SN 368-SN416 cancelled in 1945. 86

Brain32
03-10-2006, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> If you can´t do it tell me, I make a track. I did not tried in 4.04 (done in 4.03) but don´t think its gone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, I did it, and it works amazing, it even accelerates better, my peak speed was 648km/h http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif But this looks like a bug/exploit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
I would rather have a proper 11lbs'er, with this bug/exploit fixed/prevented

As for overheating and engine relyability problems I have several books about Tempest/Typhoon and they all mention Typhoon being troublesome, not that Tempest did not have any, and overall overheating does not worry me that much, but speed really was Tempests characteristic so I find it really frustrating that certain UFO's(and I'm not talking about Blue planes here) can cruise at higher speeds without overheating.
So far according to all data I saw(mostly spitfireperformance.com) 9lbs was used BEFORE V-1 threat, so 11lbs should be a standard version that served with 2ndTAF.
BTW anarchy52 trust me proper 11lbs with fixed PP bug will be far better than this, where basically you switch between 100%pp and 20%pp with aprox. 30kmh acceleration gained with every switch, it works on all altitudes, and does miracles in a dive, it's not noob friendly but it's piece of cake for a slightly seasoned pilot. I have a track TM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
03-10-2006, 07:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
Synced or not they work, and they work very well. The real problem of the Tempest is heavily porked rear view, and the fact that we got lowest boost version http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif , while most common one was at +11lbs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All do respect Brain, but that is not true. +11 Tempests started appearing (again) from mid January 1945. Also Tempest is one of the rare planes in the game that really DID have overheating problems (among other things) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
All true. One could argue that its still sort of unusual as the Tempests most active period was from December 1944 to May 1945 in terms of its war time contribution. This is when the majority of action for the type took place. Also interesting to note that Sabre II's were able to handle +11lb boost without 150 octane fuel.

The Tempests cannons are "synced" like every other gun in the game except the .50cal and the .303. This is not unusual. The cannons also work extremely well, firing at the right rate and with the proper ammo amount for the proper duration. All things considered, the Tempest is extremely well modeled and very accurately done. The boost is low...but the performance is accurate for its boosting.

Brain32
03-10-2006, 07:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The boost is low...but the performance is accurate for its boosting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, as a 9lbs'er it's perfect(if you don't use PP tricks).

Kwiatos
03-11-2006, 03:52 AM
Now when we have near correct Tempest FM wee need better Fw190 FM with nasty spin like before http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Monson74
03-11-2006, 06:29 AM
It'd be nice with cannons desynced - it looks odd with all four tracers coming out at once.

OldMan____
03-11-2006, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> If you can´t do it tell me, I make a track. I did not tried in 4.04 (done in 4.03) but don´t think its gone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, I did it, and it works amazing, it even accelerates better, my peak speed was 648km/h http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif But this looks like a bug/exploit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
I would rather have a proper 11lbs'er, with this bug/exploit fixed/prevented

As for overheating and engine relyability problems I have several books about Tempest/Typhoon and they all mention Typhoon being troublesome, not that Tempest did not have any, and overall overheating does not worry me that much, but speed really was Tempests characteristic so I find it really frustrating that certain UFO's(and I'm not talking about Blue planes here) can cruise at higher speeds without overheating.
So far according to all data I saw(mostly spitfireperformance.com) 9lbs was used BEFORE V-1 threat, so 11lbs should be a standard version that served with 2ndTAF.
BTW anarchy52 trust me proper 11lbs with fixed PP bug will be far better than this, where basically you switch between 100%pp and 20%pp with aprox. 30kmh acceleration gained with every switch, it works on all altitudes, and does miracles in a dive, it's not noob friendly but it's piece of cake for a slightly seasoned pilot. I have a track TM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And if you are extremely lazy you can map a joy button to make all the work lets say... 10 times. So you could have a super boost button. It would make REASLLy easy to exploit this exploit. I don´t complain too much because the final result is close to 11 lb tempest.

Brain32
03-11-2006, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> And if you are extremely lazy you can map a joy button to make all the work lets say... 10 times. So you could have a super boost button. It would make REASLLy easy to exploit this exploit. I don´t complain too much because the final result is close to 11 lb tempest. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is true, but I don't want to be called a cheater, or jutifying use of exploit just because we should had have a 11lbs boost on a Tempest in the first place http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I would be much happier if this bug would get fixed and proper Tempest boost(11lbs) introduced in the next update http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
03-11-2006, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monson74:
It'd be nice with cannons desynced - it looks odd with all four tracers coming out at once. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No it wouldn't really be nice at this point.

The .50cals work relatively well in this regard because there are alot of them (6 or 8 on most fighters) but there are problems with recoil causing yaw issues. Its not a perfect solution and the game engine really assumes that all guns are firing tracers at the same time. In the next game this will probably change but the engine isn't idealy setup for this.

What we have right now I think is ideal given the game engine situation.

VW-IceFire
03-11-2006, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> And if you are extremely lazy you can map a joy button to make all the work lets say... 10 times. So you could have a super boost button. It would make REASLLy easy to exploit this exploit. I don´t complain too much because the final result is close to 11 lb tempest. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is true, but I don't want to be called a cheater, or jutifying use of exploit just because we should had have a 11lbs boost on a Tempest in the first place http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I would be much happier if this bug would get fixed and proper Tempest boost(11lbs) introduced in the next update http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Question...do you (or anyone else) know if the +11lb boost data was already sent in to Oleg?

anarchy52
03-11-2006, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
Well, I did it, and it works amazing, it even accelerates better, my peak speed was 648km/h http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif But this looks like a bug/exploit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd really like to have this feature on 109/190 ...oh wait...forget it.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
...I find it really frustrating that certain UFO's(and I'm not talking about Blue planes here) can cruise at higher speeds without overheating.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I wouldn't spend much thought on comparing anything to +25lb spit. It belongs to Crimson skies.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
So far according to all data I saw(mostly spitfireperformance.com) 9lbs was used BEFORE V-1 threat, so 11lbs should be a standard version that served with 2ndTAF.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's a bit more complex... overboosted tempests were introduced during the V-1 threat, only in air defense squadrons (codename "divers" IIRC) - not 2ndTAF, but were withdrawn afterwards, then reintroduced again from mid January 1945 IIRC.

spitfireperformance.com needs to be read carefully. Although it contains a usefull colection of original document scans, it's a "spin doctor" site. It combines truths, half-truths, assumptions and subtle suggestions to paint the picture the author wants you to see.

OldMan____
03-11-2006, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
Well, I did it, and it works amazing, it even accelerates better, my peak speed was 648km/h http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif But this looks like a bug/exploit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd really like to have this feature on 109/190 ...oh wait...forget it.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

it is a completely different class of perforamnce gain whencomapred to what you can do in other planes. no otherplane can gain 30 kph in 2 second like tempest can by doing this... It is on same class as old 109 pitch exploit.

Willey
03-11-2006, 05:26 PM
I somehow have the impression that the Marque 5 have a lower ROF than a MK 103... what's up with it?

Spit 25 seems to have more gun power http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Willey
03-11-2006, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
All do respect Brain, but that is not true. +11 Tempests started appearing (again) from mid January 1945. Also Tempest is one of the rare planes in the game that really DID have overheating problems (among other things) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thee other planes should be MiG series, P-39, Yak-9U and some others... interestingly, they don't have problems at all. MiG-3 AM-38, which was extremely prone to everheating, because of the too bad cooling for the bigger Il-2 engine, can go something like 107% with shut rads all day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. Back in Il-2 it would overheat in a matter of less than 2 minutes right after fireing up the engine, and 45 seconds after the message appeared, the engine started to seize already http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
To be honest, I haven't seized any engine due to overheating since they fixed the mega radiator drag back in FB, except the TB-3 which seems to seize not even half a minute after getting too hot, just like the jets.

Aviar
03-11-2006, 11:06 PM
OldMan___,

Please check your PM.

Aviar

Kocur_
03-12-2006, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">MiG-3 AM-38, which was extremely prone to everheating, because of the too bad cooling for the bigger Il-2 engine, can go something like 107% with shut rads all day . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All soviet planes with in-line engines had huge problems with overheating. They had rads like other countries planes, i.e. not noticeably bigger but they used plain water as coolant, not glykol+water solution like rest of the world.

Brain32
03-12-2006, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Question...do you (or anyone else) know if the +11lb boost data was already sent in to Oleg? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No I don't know, everybody is silent... I guess nobody did it yet.

OldMan____
03-12-2006, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">MiG-3 AM-38, which was extremely prone to everheating, because of the too bad cooling for the bigger Il-2 engine, can go something like 107% with shut rads all day . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All soviet planes with in-line engines had huge problems with overheating. They had rads like other countries planes, i.e. not noticeably bigger but they used plain water as coolant, not glykol+water solution like rest of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glycol doe snot have better termanl capability than water, only doe snot freeze at high altitudes. In fact all thermal capability of Glycol comes from the water on it. Water is the best cheap thermal capability liquid you will find anywhere.

Kocur_
03-12-2006, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">MiG-3 AM-38, which was extremely prone to everheating, because of the too bad cooling for the bigger Il-2 engine, can go something like 107% with shut rads all day . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All soviet planes with in-line engines had huge problems with overheating. They had rads like other countries planes, i.e. not noticeably bigger but they used plain water as coolant, not glykol+water solution like rest of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glycol doe snot have better termanl capability than water, only doe snot freeze at high altitudes. In fact all thermal capability of Glycol comes from the water on it. Water is the best cheap thermal capability liquid you will find anywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not about freezing, after all coolant gets warmed in the engine doesnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif What makes the difference is that gykol added to water rises coolant boiling temperature. You use pressurised coolant installation, which increaces efficiency, thus you can have smaller rads.

OldMan____
03-12-2006, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">MiG-3 AM-38, which was extremely prone to everheating, because of the too bad cooling for the bigger Il-2 engine, can go something like 107% with shut rads all day . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All soviet planes with in-line engines had huge problems with overheating. They had rads like other countries planes, i.e. not noticeably bigger but they used plain water as coolant, not glykol+water solution like rest of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glycol doe snot have better termanl capability than water, only doe snot freeze at high altitudes. In fact all thermal capability of Glycol comes from the water on it. Water is the best cheap thermal capability liquid you will find anywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not about freezing, after all coolant gets warmed in the engine doesnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif What makes the difference is that gykol added to water rises coolant boiling temperature. You use pressurised coolant installation, which increaces efficiency, thus you can have smaller rads. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

At most flying envelope the operatibn temperature of colant on WW2 planes was under 100 celcius degrees, so the increase in boil temperature effect would be necessary only in specific cases. Also pressurization alone changes the boiling temperature already. So there are many ways to solve this.


Anyway.. isn´t glycol a mixture inclusing alcohol? All alcohols have lower "boiling temperature" than water.

ECV56_Rolf
03-12-2006, 09:52 AM
Anyway.. isn´t glycol a mixture inclusing alcohol? All alcohols have lower "boiling temperature" than water.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Glycol is a "double" alcohol (2 OH's instead of one)

Boyling temperature is higher than water 198ºC, and freezing is also lower -12ºc.

Very commonly used mixed with water as a refrigerant in many systems.
It is also mildly toxic, and explosive above 500 ºC

VW-IceFire
03-12-2006, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
I somehow have the impression that the Marque 5 have a lower ROF than a MK 103... what's up with it?

Spit 25 seems to have more gun power http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you base your impression on how quickly the tracers come out then use the ROF seems about the same http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

domenlovrec
03-12-2006, 11:04 AM
Well guess what. Me262 was also common plane during WW2 but i don't see it much online. Damn whiner. If you don't like tempest guns, than i sugest you to use bazooka cause many AC have much weaker guns.

VW-IceFire
03-12-2006, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by domenlovrec:
Well guess what. Me262 was also common plane during WW2 but i don't see it much online. Damn whiner. If you don't like tempest guns, than i sugest you to use bazooka cause many AC have much weaker guns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Way to have a chip on your shoulder. Who exactly are you talking to?

Monty_Thrud
03-12-2006, 11:41 AM
I think you'll find hes just been pwned by a Tempest pilot... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif