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Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 12:44 AM
Really, I have little or no experience with a Linux system. I've tried Gentoo and RedHat 7 but found simple things like turning off my pc were not so simple.

Bazzaah recommended I try Ubuntu so I downloaded it and burnt it to a cd. The installation was very simple, maybe even more so that Windows. I have to admit that the first two attempts were fruitless due to cd errors but the third was smooth.

I didn't even install any drivers and it's working great. Amazingly, I was connected to the net first time I started Ubuntu. In fact, this is the second site I've opened. Ubuntu looks good and seems to run very smoothly.

I just got a notice that there were 95 updates to be downloaded. One click later and the download has begun. I bet it will also install them without my help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I know this is only my first hour with Ubuntu but so far it's much better than Windows. I'd recommend it for anyone who is curious about Linux but hasn't had the courage or the confidence to try it. I'd also like to keep this thread open as a Q&A thread and hope the Ubuntu experten in the community will help to answer questions.

On a final note, Bill Gates can kiss my Ubuntu. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ffrrreeeeeedddddooooommmm!!!!!!!

Huxley_S
04-17-2007, 12:54 AM
Does it create a new partition on your hard drive when you install it?

Waldo.Pepper
04-17-2007, 01:03 AM
so far it's much better than Windows. I'd recommend it for anyone who is curious about Linux

+1 better than Windows - or I wish it will be on par one day soon.

I also think it the height of hubris that Mr. Gates wishes to crackdown on piracy, yet his company got its big break by reverse engineering/stealing/pirating CP/M.

All hail open source!

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 01:13 AM
Hi Huxley,

to be honest I cannot tell you. What I do know is that it can automatically partition and format or you can do it manually. I choose the second option offered which seemed to work fine. I did start with a fresh harddrive though.

From what Bazzaah told me you can run both Windows and Ubuntu on the same HDD, but you must install Windows first. I'm sure one of the experts can give a clearer answer than I. I'm using SATA HDDs so it's just a matter of plugging and unplugging to get what ever I want.

Hi Waldo,

I can understand the need to crackdown on piracy but I think it needs to be addressed right at the roots. Windows is highly over-priced and is the fuel for the piracy engine. If something like Ubuntu and all the extra application programs can be free, why can't Windows be sold for much less than the current prices? How can you justify 280 euros to a world where 50% live in or near the poverty level. The people in Beijing are considered well-off in China but the average household income is still about 200 euro per month. I'm not justifying piracy in the least but I am blaming the greed of software companies.

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:

All hail open source!

I've been doing that all morning. My wife is getting annoyed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lazy312
04-17-2007, 01:28 AM
I can highly recommend Ubuntu as first linux distribution. It's easy to install, it works well and it has large user base - it's easy to find help if needed.

BTW a new version (7.04, Feisty Fawn) will be available this week..

HellToupee
04-17-2007, 01:30 AM
theres also kubuntu, which comes with kde instead of gnome with the default install. I prefer kde myself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 01:40 AM
One step at a time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Actually, now that you mentioned it I think it was Kubuntu that Bazzaah recommended. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

BTW, I saw a YouTube video of the 3d desktop. Was that Ubuntu or Kubuntu?

Lazy312
04-17-2007, 01:45 AM
3D desktop works in both Gnome and KDE.

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 02:22 AM
I'm curious, my pc seems to be working really well but don't I have to install drivers? When I install XP I have to install chipsets, audio drivers, ethernet driver, just to name a few.

Can I use MSN messenger?

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 03:32 AM
Very cool. I got gaim! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This program replaces all other chat programs. Simply add your MSN ID and you're in. If I want to chat with friends on Yahoo I simply add my Yahoo ID.

I'm lov'in it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Lazy312
04-17-2007, 03:32 AM
Basically you can install accelerated (nonfree) video driver and that's it. As linux distributions are released very often they support common hardware..

For notebooks you must also sometimes fiddle with wifi driver..

rnzoli
04-17-2007, 03:39 AM
http://www.linuxuser.net/apache2-default/linlogo.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 03:55 AM
Can anyone explain this?

Skype for Linux (http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/)

Which version should I use? I have Ubuntu 6.10.

What is a console and how do I find it?

drapis
04-17-2007, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by Lazy312:
Basically you can install accelerated (nonfree) video driver and that's it. As linux distributions are released very often they support common hardware..

For notebooks you must also sometimes fiddle with wifi driver..

The video driver (from ATI/Nvidia) are NOT OPEN SOURCE, but you're still free to download them...

@Pirschjaeger: you can download LOADS of other programs by Add/Remove programs menu item, it'll just ask you for administrator password once, then you just get the list of programs available via Synaptic (package system Ubuntu uses), just put a checkbox next to programs you want to try out, and click install. Can't get much simpler than this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ubuntu really just works, glad you decided to give it a shot.

and BTW, the third variant of Ubuntu is xubuntu, which uses Xfce Desktop environment, much less demanding resource wise than KDE or Gnome (or definitely windows http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), so this distribution works great for older hardware. I'm planning to use it for my parents' PC so they can be online, read mails and do the usual office stuff - which is basically what most people do with their PCs...

drapis
04-17-2007, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Can anyone explain this?

Skype for Linux (http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/)

Which version should I use? I have Ubuntu 6.10.

What is a console and how do I find it?

Ubuntu is based on Debian distribution, so where Ubuntu package is not available from repositories, packages for Debian should work just fine.

As for installing applications in Ubuntu, look here (https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/add-applications-introduction.html)

Therion_Prime
04-17-2007, 04:14 AM
If you just want to try out Linux, try Knoppix.
You don't need to install it, it boots from CD/DVD.

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

Matz0r
04-17-2007, 04:23 AM
Does it run Directx10 games?

Codex1971
04-17-2007, 04:41 AM
Now if only the IL-2 and BoB: SOW series were natively available for Linux... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Ratsack
04-17-2007, 04:56 AM
Didn't Ugly Kid get 1946 working on his Linux install?

cheers,
Ratsack

HellToupee
04-17-2007, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by F16_Matz_:
Does it run Directx10 games?

vista dosnt do that at the mo :P

Capt.LoneRanger
04-17-2007, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by HellToupee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F16_Matz_:
Does it run Directx10 games?

vista dosnt do that at the mo :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what about other games? Does IL2 run and if it does, does it run better?

I assume all directX-stuff won't work on Linux, including EAX.

slipBall
04-17-2007, 05:23 AM
If I was sure of to be able to fly IL2, I would get rid of MS in a heart beat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

bazzaah2
04-17-2007, 05:32 AM
Great to hear you got that running Pirsch! Skype is excellent under Linux now - all the convos we've had have been from Skype/Linux at my end.

Ugly Kid can fill in better than me but I found Il2-46 does work and pretty well at that under Linux/Wine. Mine needs some tweaking but it does work and loads up so quick you think there's something wrong.

I was going to post a comment on another thread - someone said Vista is a new OS so you have to expect problems, to which I say after using the Ubuntu Feisty beta, do you and why?

Let's talk soon PJ and will tell you how to do the 3d desktop thing.

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 05:45 AM
Hi Bazzaah,

so far it works really well but I still haven't figured out the lingo yet. While searching for answers regarding drivers I found this:

drivers (http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi)

I think this site might be very useful but I cannot figure out what an " Ispci -n " is and where to find it.

Got any ideas?

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 05:50 AM
BTW, I got Skype installed but have no sound. Guess I need to find some sort of driver. I'm using the Sound Blaster Audigy 5.1 . I tried the SB site but found nothing.

I did find this:

audio driver (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+5.1.&chip=emu10k1&module=emu10k1#opt)

but once again, it's not exactly English. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bazzaah2
04-17-2007, 05:51 AM
enter lspci -n in a terminal and post the output on the site. Good first port of call is here;

http://www.ubuntu.com/support

Have you got Skype working yet?

Persecutor_352
04-17-2007, 08:34 AM
Now if only the IL-2 and BoB: SOW series were natively available for Linux... bow
Unfortunately, it isn't just IL-2. We'd also need to get TrackIR running, VoiceBuddy, Fraps, Foxy (for we Cougar users), and whatever other utilities we need to run IL2 on Linux as we do in Windoze. I use a Mandriva Linux build daily (although I can't get it to recognize my gaming machine's monitor -- unusable black screen). Linux is excellent, but not yet ready for prime time.

Close, but not yet.

Capt.LoneRanger
04-17-2007, 09:38 AM
I think that sums it up perfectly, Persecutor. IMHO LINUX/UNIX is a great idea, especially for text-based-applications and servers, as it is much more stable.

One reason for that stability though, is the fact that various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized. And I honestly doubt it will ever be a full alternative for the common windows-user, because it has a different aim and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.

It has something to it for the rebels, though, even more than Apple.

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 10:16 AM
A little update on my Ubuntu experience.

I still like it although I am having some problems. Bazzaah has been helping me to install automatix2 but it isn't working. I keep getting "403 forbidden" messages. Once you've been in China a while you know this means little brother is blocking you. So, I'll have to find another way.

When I reboot and open Skype my mic and speakers work fine for just a few minutes. The speakers continue to work but the mic stops. Ubuntu, in device manager, seems to be not recognizing my SB Audigy LS sound card.

Any ideas?

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 10:17 AM
Just a thought. I heard that I can get past the Chinese plastic curtain if I use a proxy. I have no idea what this means but I'm sure you guys do.

LStarosta
04-17-2007, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Just a thought. I heard that I can get past the Chinese plastic curtain if I use a proxy. I have no idea what this means but I'm sure you guys do.

Little Big Brother is watching.

BaldieJr
04-17-2007, 10:46 AM
Blech blech blech Linux!

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 11:52 AM
It was my mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I was trying to install Automatrix2 for 6.10 when my OS version was 6.06. Folks, we have a wiener! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Anyways, I got it going properly and it's downloading NVidia drivers now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Rule #1: identify your OS version

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Lunix
04-17-2007, 12:22 PM
various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized.

and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.

For the record: I have found the opposite for all but the newest and or more obscure hardware. With most modern it is truly plug and play. No driver download, updates or installs. Darn near like a mac.

If your interested in computing the modern Linux environment is quite functional, comfortable, affordable, fun and educational these days.

bazzaah2
04-17-2007, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I think that sums it up perfectly, Persecutor. IMHO LINUX/UNIX is a great idea, especially for text-based-applications and servers, as it is much more stable.

One reason for that stability though, is the fact that various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized. And I honestly doubt it will ever be a full alternative for the common windows-user, because it has a different aim and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.

It has something to it for the rebels, though, even more than Apple.

true for the last point, but my desktop looks great and is rock solid, faster and more efficient than its windows equivalent.

no trouble with device recognition either.

drapis
04-17-2007, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
It was my mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I was trying to install Automatrix2 for 6.10 when my OS version was 6.06. Folks, we have a wiener! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Anyways, I got it going properly and it's downloading NVidia drivers now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Rule #1: identify your OS version

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

While there might be a handful of Ubuntu users on these boards, you'll get much more information at Ubuntu forums&documentation here: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/communitysupport

Cheers, good luck with your new OS.

BTW, I think the day after tomorrow is the day when new version of Ubuntu gets available. Check out the Ubuntu home page for more info. It's called Feisty Fawn (and the next version will be apparently called Gutsy Gibbon - don't ask me where do they get these names http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

arjisme
04-17-2007, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Lunix:
For the record: I have found the opposite for all but the newest and or more obscure hardware. With most modern it is truly plug and play. No driver download, updates or installs. Darn near like a mac. I mostly agree with this, but some exceptions do occur. I have two printers - a Canon i900D and an HP OfficeJet G85 - and neither works under my Ubuntu install (didn't work under my previous Redhat either). The OfficeJet I wouldn't expect to work really since it is a monstrosity, multi-function printer. But the Canon disappoints.

Also, I recently installed a Creative ExtremeGamer X-Fi sound card and that isn't supported either. Creative may release proprietary drivers for it in the near future, but no go at the moment. My on board soundcard worked fine, though.

Apart from these issues though, all other hardware works just fine. And Ubuntu really is simple as can be to install and use.

Abbuzze
04-17-2007, 01:37 PM
If you like optical effects...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsxaMyFV2Y

Capt.LoneRanger
04-17-2007, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I think that sums it up perfectly, Persecutor. IMHO LINUX/UNIX is a great idea, especially for text-based-applications and servers, as it is much more stable.

One reason for that stability though, is the fact that various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized. And I honestly doubt it will ever be a full alternative for the common windows-user, because it has a different aim and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.

It has something to it for the rebels, though, even more than Apple.

true for the last point, but my desktop looks great and is rock solid, faster and more efficient than its windows equivalent.

no trouble with device recognition either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does it help to have a nice looking desktop and a quick startup for a private user? I never doubted these points, but I don't care about that. I *DO* care though, about my X-FI, USB-Scanner, TrackIR4, X52, CH-HOTAS, my 7 buttons mouse, ... being recognized.

Ventox
04-17-2007, 01:50 PM
I didn 't read all of the posts, but i think, IL2 dosn 't work with Ubuntu (Linux)
And wlan with netgear equipment also.
So Windows is further my favorite OS.
Pardon for my bad english. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Really, I have little or no experience with a Linux system. I've tried Gentoo and RedHat 7 but found simple things like turning off my pc were not so simple.

Bazzaah recommended I try Ubuntu so I downloaded it and burnt it to a cd. The installation was very simple, maybe even more so that Windows. I have to admit that the first two attempts were fruitless due to cd errors but the third was smooth.

I didn't even install any drivers and it's working great. Amazingly, I was connected to the net first time I started Ubuntu. In fact, this is the second site I've opened. Ubuntu looks good and seems to run very smoothly.

I just got a notice that there were 95 updates to be downloaded. One click later and the download has begun. I bet it will also install them without my help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I know this is only my first hour with Ubuntu but so far it's much better than Windows. I'd recommend it for anyone who is curious about Linux but hasn't had the courage or the confidence to try it. I'd also like to keep this thread open as a Q&A thread and hope the Ubuntu experten in the community will help to answer questions.

On a final note, Bill Gates can kiss my Ubuntu. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ffrrreeeeeedddddooooommmm!!!!!!!

slipBall
04-17-2007, 01:52 PM
I *DO* care though, about my X-FI, USB-Scanner, TrackIR4, X52, CH-HOTAS, my 7 buttons mouse, ... being recognized.



My concern also...any hope down the road?

bazzaah2
04-17-2007, 02:02 PM
there are a number of people who have Il2 working under Linux.

I do, though patchily, Ugly Kid has his working very well. There are others I gather.

My CH joystick and pedals are both recognised under Linux; there are calibration and mapping utilities available as well.

All my equipment is recognised by Ubuntu including DVD-RW, USB keyboard, bluetooth, video and sound cards as well.

Ugly_Kid
04-17-2007, 02:21 PM
Pirsch I am not sure what you mean with downloading nvidia drivers. Sure, you can do it from www.nvidia.com (http://www.nvidia.com) but there is usually in 99% of cases a way to accomplish that via repositories and apt-get.

Here for example NVIDIA:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia

Sure not all hardware runs under linux, 2 secs of google will tell me what to buy and my purchase will tell the other hardware manufacturers to get their linux act together or avoid the business with me in the future too. ATI has bitterly come to realize this and they are still lagging. I am afraid the forum rules prevent me from detailing the acts of kama sutra that I expect a local ATI sales representavi(veness) to go through with me before I'll by another one.

Audigy 2 - I am not sure if it runs right out of the box - most of them do as a matter of fact. Google with "audigy 2 ubuntu howto" might help on. Try to rely on community howtos. This is an interesting feature in linux and a difficulty for a windows user, you have places where you can ask help and you actually get some. To come to realize that this is a possibility and get over to a point and actually do it is not so obvious. When I was still using Mandrake I was flabberghasted by the help I got instantly to some problems that made me wet my pants at first sight. Ubuntu's biggest problem is at the moment shear volume of questions on forums so that your problem may easily drop couple of pages as a matter of day but as an UBI forum vet you know a word "bump", right?

Capt.LoneRanger
04-17-2007, 02:57 PM
All my equipment is recognised by Ubuntu including DVD-RW, USB keyboard, bluetooth, video and sound cards as well.

I don't consider USB-keyboard, a DVD-drive and normal video- and soundcards exactly difficult to use. Bluetooth even less, as it is rather a question of the interface, which is located on the mainboard. You probably don't even need drivers for the link.
To be more exact: You can use an X-FI and 8800GTX SLI on Win3.11, too. It does not mean they are supported, though, as you can use barely any features besides very basic OpenGL.

bazzaah2
04-17-2007, 04:00 PM
I guess I misunderstood your use of the word 'various' in one of your earlier posts. Apparently you meant 'difficult'. Or maybe you were just changing the goalposts, who knows.

I merely listed a few devices that work perfectly well in my Ubuntu installation.

Pirschjaeger
04-17-2007, 08:07 PM
Well, my pc is working fine, including sound. I had three unlabelled cds each with a different Ubuntu version. Two of them cds failed to install. Next time we'll use better quality cds(and a download manager).

All my problems were simply a matter of me misidentifying the version. As soon as I realized my mistake everything went extremely smooth, something Gates can only dream about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

All my trial and error was not in vail though. I've learnt enough that I feel I understand Linux. As Bazzaah said "It's not difficult, it's different". In fact, I think it will be easier to work with Linux than Windows.

Someone mentioned Linux doesn't recognize hardware. I experienced this too but the problem was created by myself. Once I install automatix2 I got everything I needed and much more.

Currently I'm downloading Ubuntu64 and will install that in a few days, as time allows. For those noobs such as myself, you should try it. Don't be afraid to ask what might seem to be stupid questions. If I hadn't asked "How do I identify my version" I'd be still trying to figure things out.

BTW, can the experten tell me the different between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu and which is the best?

Capt.LoneRanger
04-17-2007, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
I guess I misunderstood your use of the word 'various' in one of your earlier posts. Apparently you meant 'difficult'. Or maybe you were just changing the goalposts, who knows.

I merely listed a few devices that work perfectly well in my Ubuntu installation.

I am sorry if I didn't make that more clear before. With various components and periphery, I of course didn't mean CPU, RAM, HDD, DVD-ROMs or devicelinks, as their functionality is dependend on the BIOS and their own systems. They work on DOS and basic BIOS, so that is no art - sorry.

Aaron_GT
04-18-2007, 02:54 AM
And wlan with netgear equipment also.

I run Ubuntu at home - set up all my netgear wireless stuff without the need to add any drivers or do any set up. In fact it was simpler than Windows XP on the same hardware (which required drivers from the netgear install disk).

Aaron_GT
04-18-2007, 02:59 AM
To get IL2 running you need wine or cedega.

To set up wine on Ububtu start up the package manger (aka synaptic) go to the search box and type in wine and it should come up with the relevant packages.

If it doesn't it might need some repositories adding. If you open a console window and type in
sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (I think, from memory) and uncomment the relevant repository names (# indicates the ones that are commented out), then rerun synaptic and hit the refresh button it will bring up the additional repositories. Then try the search for wine again.

Click on the wine packages to install, and then you should be able to install IL2.

To do that pop in the CD and make sure it has mounted (it should automount).

open a console window.
cd /placewhereyourcdromis
then
wine setup.exe

And that should install it for you.

P.S. I find the ATI drivers under Ubuntu are less than satisfactory. Nvidia support is generally better in terms of frame rates. In fact when I had a GF3 card I could get IL2 and other games to run and the frame rates were generally a shade better than Windows. Support for things like TrackIR is another matter, though.

mango42
04-18-2007, 04:41 AM
Marvelous news Aaron_GT!

I've been watching the Ubuntu site for ages but this is the first confirmation that IL2 can run well on Linux.

I used to be a programmer but now have a revulsion for 'getting my hands dirty' - the ubuntu help site looks like it may have all the answers for such as me - off to find a decent D/L manager as the 700Mb download has been putting me off...

S!

mango

,

Pirschjaeger
04-18-2007, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
To get IL2 running you need wine or cedega.

To set up wine on Ububtu start up the package manger (aka synaptic) go to the search box and type in wine and it should come up with the relevant packages.



Hi Aaron,

it's my second day using Ubuntu. As soon as I got home from work I reinstalled, from 6.06 Gapper to 6.10 AMD64 Edgy, while watching TV and having dinner. I love multi-tasking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I went to Synaptic Manager and reloaded my repositories. I then googled Automatix2, installed, and I'm almost done installing my drivers.

In Automatix2 you'll find Wine. I think this might be the easier way than doing it through Synaptic Manager.

For the those curious about Ubuntu, Automatix2 is a simple program that catalogs all available programs for your version of Ubuntu. You simply check a box, hit start, and the download begins. This program is great for us noobs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

If you are going to try Ubuntu it's great to know someone who is familiar with it. Bazzaah helped me a lot through Skype and just one day later I'm confident enough to do everything myself. From now on it's just little details.

I can already imagine this becoming some sort of warped hobby. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bazzaah2
04-18-2007, 05:08 AM
great you got that done Pirsch! Bill's in the mail! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-18-2007, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
great you got that done Pirsch! Bill's in the mail! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It really helps when you know what version you're using. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm currently at #90 of 178 updates. The best thing is the pc works fine and handles the downloading while I'm doing other things on the net.

I'm looking forward to the 3d desktop. Does Automatix handle the download and installation?

BTW, who is Bill? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Sjeler
04-18-2007, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:

One reason for that stability though, is the fact that various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized. And I honestly doubt it will ever be a full alternative for the common windows-user, because it has a different aim and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.


What you wrote is simply not true. Linux kernel contains more drivers than any windows CD from 95 to vista together. All that in 40 MB. And Linux is not alternative. Concerning development... well, not really worth of comment.

Sjeler
04-18-2007, 07:39 AM
Pirschjaeger:

1. http://ubuntuguide.org/ <- a must for newbie, you will find out how to install nvidia drivers. Its just a matter of adding repositories and apt-getting it. You can install nvidia drivers with automatix as well. Audigy 2 LS works out of the box and is well supported under ubuntu. I have one, I know.

2. ubuntuforums.org <- same as above

Pirschjaeger
04-18-2007, 09:55 AM
Hi Sjeler,

thanks for the info and links. I seem to have the repositories under control. I've also installed the NVidia drivers. This was very easy since Automatix did all the work.

I'm still downloading my updates; I'm at 170 of 178 so only 1/2 hour left I imagine. The net really sucks here in China.

Lastnight, after I install NVidia (was using a different Linux version) my sound card worked fine. So I'm expecting the same results this time too. Something I really like about installing Linux is that I don't need to collect all my driver cds. In fact, I haven't used one yet.

Just a quick question; Is it possible to partition a HDD after an installation?

Capt.LoneRanger
04-18-2007, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Sjeler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:

One reason for that stability though, is the fact that various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized. And I honestly doubt it will ever be a full alternative for the common windows-user, because it has a different aim and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.


What you wrote is simply not true. Linux kernel contains more drivers than any windows CD from 95 to vista together. All that in 40 MB. And Linux is not alternative. Concerning development... well, not really worth of comment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


40MB drivers is not that much and, just to give you one example, a friend of mine just gave me his PC, because he had a GFX-card-problem. He had this PC for 2 years, now and he had not a single driver installed besides the windows-drivers and he was running a multi-button-mouse with it, played CoD1 online frequently, had a scanner and a printer and everything worked fine.
Still, LINUX/UNIX does not support many critical components or periphery, or only in a way that you need 2 days or more to find and install drivers for it. And even if they are supported, this support is basic or largely works with work-arounds.

But I know this discussion is a "my-precious"-debate. LINUX/UNIX-users have this certain rebel-feeling, to hurt this bad gigant Billy and even the article where the FBI had hacked into a high-security LINUX-server within 3 minutes, from just a year ago won't change this.

Again, I'm not saying LINUX/UNIX is bad! I don't think so at all, but I can keep the perspective and not run myself into this fanboy-debate.

Ugly_Kid
04-18-2007, 10:02 AM
Pircsh, you asked about MSN.Messenger - I'd say you can install gaim - it is able to deal with Messenger protocol and icq and others. You can accomplish this on terminal by typing in sudo apt-get install gaim.

Also, note there are some issues (and solutions too) in running 64bit version. Flash-plugin is for example 32bit, same goes for some windows video codecs. In order to get them run you'll need to do some reading. Just so that you know.

I am running 64bit edgy - targetware, il-2 (under wine), X-plane and stuff can be made to run...my only crux at the moment is that condor soaring does not run and there is unfortunately no native version. There would be one for silent wings but I consider condor a bit better. Well, I think situation might change as wine is developing rapidly. Many consider wine better than cedega for various reasons...

Pirschjaeger
04-18-2007, 10:09 AM
I'm just happy to get away from constantly having to pay for every little piece of software. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I've disliked windows for years now and often considered buying a Mac. I'm sure I will run into problems with Linux in the future but at least I have the comfort of knowing there's a lot of support available. This is an area where windows is really weak.

It seems Linux has reached a point where noobs like myself can finally start using it. If this is the case that Microsoft is really going to have to come up with something new. The competition is going to be tougher than ever.

I also think that those of us that are on a Linux crusade just want to share the freedom. I feel like I have control over my pc which is something I never had before. I can understand why there seems to be a Linux cult.

Pirschjaeger
04-18-2007, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
Pircsh, you asked about MSN.Messenger - I'd say you can install gaim - it is able to deal with Messenger protocol and icq and others. You can accomplish this on terminal by typing in sudo apt-get install gaim.

Also, note there are some issues (and solutions too) in running 64bit version. Flash-plugin is for example 32bit, same goes for some windows video codecs. In order to get them run you'll need to do some reading. Just so that you know.

I am running 64bit edgy - targetware, il-2 (under wine), X-plane and stuff can be made to run...my only crux at the moment is that condor soaring does not run and there is unfortunately no native version. There would be one for silent wings but I consider condor a bit better. Well, I think situation might change as wine is developing rapidly. Many consider wine better than cedega for various reasons...

I started using Gaim lastnight. I was amazed when I added my MSN IDs and Yahoo IDs and found that all of them were open in one window. That's great cause I was always having to open and close both Yahoo and MSN to chat. It's nice to have them all combined.

As for games I'm not so interested in them these days. Maybe once the novilty of Linux wears off curiousity will have me installing them again. But until then I'm having enough fun. Whe it is time to install I'll definitely be picking the brains in here for advice but until then, one step at a time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm still having fun watching the screen savers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

bazzaah2
04-18-2007, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sjeler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:

One reason for that stability though, is the fact that various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized. And I honestly doubt it will ever be a full alternative for the common windows-user, because it has a different aim and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.


What you wrote is simply not true. Linux kernel contains more drivers than any windows CD from 95 to vista together. All that in 40 MB. And Linux is not alternative. Concerning development... well, not really worth of comment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


40MB drivers is not that much and, just to give you one example, a friend of mine just gave me his PC, because he had a GFX-card-problem. He had this PC for 2 years, now and he had not a single driver installed besides the windows-drivers and he was running a multi-button-mouse with it, played CoD1 online frequently, had a scanner and a printer and everything worked fine.
Still, LINUX/UNIX does not support many critical components or periphery, or only in a way that you need 2 days or more to find and install drivers for it. And even if they are supported, this support is basic or largely works with work-arounds.

But I know this discussion is a "my-precious"-debate. LINUX/UNIX-users have this certain rebel-feeling, to hurt this bad gigant Billy and even the article where the FBI had hacked into a high-security LINUX-server within 3 minutes, from just a year ago won't change this.

Again, I'm not saying LINUX/UNIX is bad! I don't think so at all, but I can keep the perspective and not run myself into this fanboy-debate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not so much to hurt Microsft, at least from my p-o-v, it's just good to have an option beyond the Mac, and dare I say some competition for Microsoft. And really I just like the Linux ethos and the way Ubuntu looks.

You should try the latest Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn - should be declared an RC in a day or two); you might find it more capable than you seem to expect.

It ain't perfect of course but it works for me and, in my experience at least, it works better than XP ever did.

Sjeler
04-18-2007, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:

Still, LINUX/UNIX does not support many critical components or periphery, or only in a way that you need 2 days or more to find and install drivers for it. And even if they are supported, this support is basic or largely works with work-arounds.

Name me some. You obviously don't speak from experience.


Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
But I know this discussion is a "my-precious"-debate. LINUX/UNIX-users have this certain rebel-feeling, to hurt this bad gigant Billy and even the article where the FBI had hacked into a high-security LINUX-server within 3 minutes, from just a year ago won't change this.

75% of server on internet are on linux. That speaks enough for itself. You don't understand fundamental differences between unix/linux and windows and your remark about FBI is laughable. Nothing personal though.


Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Again, I'm not saying LINUX/UNIX is bad! I don't think so at all, but I can keep the perspective and not run myself into this fanboy-debate.

I'm not fanboy. I have enough experience with both platforms and I know that windows arent bad for one thing but suck at other and vice-versa its just that you wrote something that is not far from common myths about linux. If you don't have much experience with particular thing or at all, I don't see a reason why would you get into debate in a first place. Pirschjaeger asked questions that have nothing to do with rebelism, fanboyism, linux security or 2 day driver hunt so you might skip posting offtopic replies.

BTW i'm writing this from my primary computer running windows.

Ugly_Kid
04-18-2007, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
As for games I'm not so interested in them these days. Maybe once the novilty of Linux wears off curiousity will have me installing them again. But until then I'm having enough fun. Whe it is time to install I'll definitely be picking the brains in here for advice but until then, one step at a time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm still having fun watching the screen savers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Exactly, I got b0llocking from genius disadvatage blabla being a legal owner and all that. I've now downgraded to 2k to get my peace (although it is now months since I booted to windows). It is a nice feeling to have a system that does not make me feel guilty - I need a piece of software, I'll google and search a title, if I get that software via apt-get - it is legal, end of the story and by god the stuff is good.

I started my journey building up a living room mediabox, I learnt sh!tload of stuff that simultaneously improved my professional competence. I ended up upgrading my desktop to Ubuntu and now there is no way back. I enjoy being challenged by my computer.

Gaming is pretty much secondary...

I brought up beryl on my desktop just for the h3ll of it. Once the desktop cube was rolling and windows were moving with rain-drop effects it was all secondary for me. It is like motorcycling, being in the target is not important it is the way to get there...

I personally think flight simulations might be a genre that shall lean heavily towards linux because the people behind the software might have industrial background and there linux is heavily replacing unix...

Capt.LoneRanger
04-18-2007, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sjeler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:

One reason for that stability though, is the fact that various PC-components and periphery are not even recognized. And I honestly doubt it will ever be a full alternative for the common windows-user, because it has a different aim and cannot keep up with the development of other OSs.


What you wrote is simply not true. Linux kernel contains more drivers than any windows CD from 95 to vista together. All that in 40 MB. And Linux is not alternative. Concerning development... well, not really worth of comment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


40MB drivers is not that much and, just to give you one example, a friend of mine just gave me his PC, because he had a GFX-card-problem. He had this PC for 2 years, now and he had not a single driver installed besides the windows-drivers and he was running a multi-button-mouse with it, played CoD1 online frequently, had a scanner and a printer and everything worked fine.
Still, LINUX/UNIX does not support many critical components or periphery, or only in a way that you need 2 days or more to find and install drivers for it. And even if they are supported, this support is basic or largely works with work-arounds.

But I know this discussion is a "my-precious"-debate. LINUX/UNIX-users have this certain rebel-feeling, to hurt this bad gigant Billy and even the article where the FBI had hacked into a high-security LINUX-server within 3 minutes, from just a year ago won't change this.

Again, I'm not saying LINUX/UNIX is bad! I don't think so at all, but I can keep the perspective and not run myself into this fanboy-debate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not so much to hurt Microsft, at least from my p-o-v, it's just good to have an option beyond the Mac, and dare I say some competition for Microsoft. And really I just like the Linux ethos and the way Ubuntu looks.

You should try the latest Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn - should be declared an RC in a day or two); you might find it more capable than you seem to expect.

It ain't perfect of course but it works for me and, in my experience at least, it works better than XP ever did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have tried it and I do from time to time for the very reasons you named - but as you said, too, it's not perfect, yet.

Capt.LoneRanger
04-18-2007, 03:15 PM
Name me some. You obviously don't speak from experience.

Obviously, as I posted above.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But you want examples? Okay, what about multiple mouse-buttons, OpenGL-extensions (like environment mapping), EAX / Surround, TrackIR, ... enough? No? Okay, what about most Joysticks, that, with LUCK work with a few buttons, since there are only a few drivers for these OS.


75% of server on internet are on linux. That speaks enough for itself. You don't understand fundamental differences between unix/linux and windows and your remark about FBI is laughable. Nothing personal though.

That speaks for the stability and little resources needed by LINUX/UNIX and the ability to run it by command-lines and text-based interfaces. That has nothing to do with it's security. It's also never said LINUX/UNIX are safe - it's always said it's safer than windows-servers - and it's that way for a reason.
The FBI thing was also on the tech-news just a while ago, if that is laughable, well, then I'm happy this fact cheers you up. I'm a bit worried though, people still think a software(firewall) can be effective. Sorry, that is a myth.


I'm not fanboy. I have enough experience with both platforms and I know that windows arent bad for one thing but suck at other and vice-versa its just that you wrote something that is not far from common myths about linux. If you don't have much experience with particular thing or at all, I don't see a reason why would you get into debate in a first place. Pirschjaeger asked questions that have nothing to do with rebelism, fanboyism, linux security or 2 day driver hunt so you might skip posting offtopic replies.

If you read my comments closely, you'd note, that I posted that UNIX/LINUX is a nice system for servers and some professional usage, the fact that many people run it besides windows, though, is purely to support it or be part of that. Same is for Mozilla/Firefox. Most people use it, because they think it's more secure than IE. The funny thing is, 2006 IE had 13 critical security problems, Mozilla hat 25.
As I said before, I'm neither fully for or against LINUX. I just keep an open eye to all sides and that is what some people lack here. It's okay for me, but please don't punish me for staying neutral.

Besides that, I don't think

Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
On a final note, Bill Gates can kiss my Ubuntu.
is purely for testing purpose. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Sjeler
04-18-2007, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
But you want examples? Okay, what about multiple mouse-buttons, OpenGL-extensions (like environment mapping), EAX / Surround, TrackIR, ... enough? No? Okay, what about most Joysticks, that, with LUCK work with a few buttons, since there are only a few drivers for these OS.


Multiple mouse buttons work just like that. OpengGL (as its name suggest) works fine like on windows, trackir and joysticks are not important at all when you can't play any serious game that uses them on linux http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif BTW you can bind anything you want on any device you want in xorg. Its a matter of adding couple of lines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



That speaks for the stability and little resources needed by LINUX/UNIX and the ability to run it by command-lines and text-based interfaces. That has nothing to do with it's security. It's also never said LINUX/UNIX are safe - it's always said it's safer than windows-servers - and it's that way for a reason.
The FBI thing was also on the tech-news just a while ago, if that is laughable, well, then I'm happy this fact cheers you up.

New Windows Longhorn server is command line and stable at least as 2003 which is the most stable windows platform. Neither platforms are safe if you don't configure it well but in MSs case, you have to rely on them to fix the hole and you don't know if theres any back hole for government to look around :s



If you read my comments closely, you'd note, that I posted that UNIX/LINUX is a nice system for servers and some professional usage, the fact that many people run it besides windows, though, is purely to support it or be part of that. Same is for Mozilla/Firefox. Most people use it, because they think it's more secure than IE. The funny thing is, 2006 IE had 13 critical security problems, Mozilla hat 25.
As I said before, I'm neither fully for or against LINUX. I just keep an open eye to all sides and that is what some people lack here. It's okay for me, but please don't punish me for staying neutral.

A lot of people DON'T need windows. You don't need windows for surfing, playing video or to listen music. The problem is if you bought computer, you probably have windows already on. About firefox... Firefox offers much more than IE. IF you don't need those things, use IE. But, IE has one thing firefox doesn't. ActiveX. I did not want to punish you but you said some things that simply aren't true. I suggest you to get Ubuntu Feisty in couple of days when it gets out, you will be surprised and you will learn something new. Don't forget to install berly on it and see why vistas aero sux http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
04-18-2007, 04:05 PM
I know I posted this the 3rd or 5th time now - I have Ubuntu and test new versions, when they are released.


Multiple mouse buttons work just like that. OpengGL (as its name suggest) works fine like on windows, trackir and joysticks are not important at all when you can't play any serious game that uses them on linux Smile BTW you can bind anything you want on any device you want in xorg. Its a matter of adding couple of lines Smile

But you said OpenGL works? Java-basis works, too, IL2 seems to run on many LINUX based systems, as posted here, why is trackIR and joystick not usefull. No, wait, you're accepting, that Ubuntu is not a full alternative, yet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


New Windows Longhorn server is command line and stable at least as 2003 which is the most stable windows platform. Neither platforms are safe if you don't configure it well but in MSs case, you have to rely on them to fix the hole and you don't know if theres any back hole for government to look around :s

It all has pros and cons. While on one hand you have a company working hard on eliminating problems, on the other hand you have opensource, which not only makes it more easy to fix holes, but also to find and use those. And as I said before, there is no safe software. Only hardware-based firewalls are capable of effectively stopping an intruder in the end.


A lot of people DON'T need windows. You don't need windows for surfing, playing video or to listen music. The problem is if you bought computer, you probably have windows already on.

So, really, honestly, how many peope do you know that FOR SURE only have a SINGLE COMPUTER with ONLY UNIX/LINUX working. I have 5 close friends, they're all programmers and they all use LINUX at work, for the named reasons, but none of them has a pure LINUX system at home, not even in the office.


About firefox... Firefox offers much more than IE. IF you don't need those things, use IE. But, IE has one thing firefox doesn't. ActiveX. I did not want to punish you but you said some things that simply aren't true. I suggest you to get Ubuntu Feisty in couple of days when it gets out, you will be surprised and you will learn something new. Don't forget to install berly on it and see why vistas aero sux Smile

Really? What does Firefox offer more than IE? That is a common slogan, but most people don't really know what that really is.
If ActiveX is your problem, you can disable that. It is a lot more difficult, though, for a common user, that is, to disable automatic license and applet installation in Firefox - the difference is, though, Firefox doesn't notify you, when this happens. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

After all, I still don't see a reason to take this to a personal level. If the things I said are so easily uncovered as lies, why don't you do so? If I point out a problem you either just say it ain't so or try to make that up with some completely other argument? (Like Joysticks and TrackIR need no support, as they are not needed)

Sjeler
04-18-2007, 04:36 PM
Il 2 doesn't runs natively but under wine. That explains it all. When we get native linux client, we can talk about joysticks and trackir. And I repeat again, Linux is not an alternative. Hardware based firewalls, just like your router have OS. Can you guess what operating system in 99% of cases is that? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you ever used firefox youd know about extensions. If you don't know what they are and you are not willing to get to know, you don't need them just like hundreds of millions of people. See? You are not alone. Applets? What applets? I encountered exactly 0 of them for last couple of years. Don't know what are you talking about... And I can't see where I took this discussion to personal level. I just pointed out about some things you wrote that are not true. That doesn't necessary means you lied.

I gave you friendly suggestion and offered straight forward answers but total lack of knowledge on subject on your side makes this discussion pointless.

EOD

DHC2Pilot
04-18-2007, 06:12 PM
I really admire all you folks who can get any flavor of Linux to run. Yeah, I've installed it without any problem, and then I'm completely lost. Ubuntu was by far the easiest of all thus far....I've tried RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, and Ubuntu. But once I'm at the desktop and start going through the menus I can't seem to get it to do anything I want. Maybe I'm just too "Windows-centric"...lol. I couldn't connect to my wireless network, let alone to the internet, or figure out how to see if my drivers are working. Ughh. It's like trying to learn Chinese. Kudos to those who have the patience for this stuff. =)

Persecutor_352
04-18-2007, 08:03 PM
Every time a conversation involves Windoze and Linux, it seems the result is a devolution to "this one is better, no this one is, can't you see that, it's so obvious?!?!?!".

I've used, and use, both. I like both. I *wish* Linux was easier and better than it is because, like nearly everyone else here, I'm sick of paying $$$$$ to M$ over and over. But to be fair, Linux isn't free. You can download the OS distribution at no cost, but setting it up and maintaining it is anything but free. Time is money, too. And how many of us care to use the command line? I well remember the days of the DOS command line. Most of us here probably don't, and trust me -- the DOS command line is INFINITELY easier than learning the UNIX (Linux) command line. Just read some of the "just type in ......." messages above to get a flavor for what I mean. It's real easy for the one who already knows how to do it. It is similar to scaling Everest for those who do not. Most will say "never mind, where's my Windoze box??"

Anyone who has spent even ten minutes with CSS knows how good Firefox is compared to that frustrating POS IE, even IE7. But how many of us spend 10 minutes with CSS?? The vast majority of users (80% or so at last count) use IE. They couldn't care less how easy or hard it is to develop a website, how standards-complaint a browser is (or isn't). So the argument is lost on all but those who do the work to display what everyone else reads.

Back to the issue; I'd dearly love to use Linux as my SOLE OS. But until Photoshop runs on Linux natively, until all the niceties that revolve around my favorite hobby (IL2) have native drivers (and Foxy gets written for Linux -- probably the 12th of never), I'm stuck with a Windoze installation.

Hopefully I'll never fall in love with a DirectX 10 game, or if I do, somehow DirectX will become available for XP.

Until then, Linux will always be relegated to a secondary OS, regardless of how good it is otherwise.

Meanwhile, whoever started this thread, enjoy Ubuntu. There's a lot of new stuff to explore in it.

jolly_magpie
04-18-2007, 09:21 PM
I tried Ubuntu but it does not work with NTFS. That's a show-stopper right there, too bad.

HellToupee
04-18-2007, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by jolly_magpie:
I tried Ubuntu but it does not work with NTFS. That's a show-stopper right there, too bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_3G

Oz_Canuck
04-18-2007, 10:29 PM
You can get read/write access to NTFS partitions with addon utilities. The name escapes me right now. (see link above!) The latest version of Xandros (a Debian based distro) comes with NTFS write ability and is very easy to use. It is a commercial product tho' ($50).
I have been dual booting with Xp for games and some video apps and using Xandros 4 for my main desktop. Ubuntu is also very good.
There is a definate learning curve, but I enjoy using Linux and it's good for nearly all my computing needs.
One thing I am trialing is running VM-Ware inside Xandros to hopefully run a virtual Windows OS while still being in Xandros. This way I can run my Windows video apps without having to reboot. Still have to reboot for most games though.
Targetware runs great in Linux, give it a try.
Having Linuxing!

jolly_magpie
04-19-2007, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by HellToupee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jolly_magpie:
I tried Ubuntu but it does not work with NTFS. That's a show-stopper right there, too bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_3G </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow that's super new. When I checked it out it was still in a kinda scary experimental stage.

Pirschjaeger
04-19-2007, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by DHC2Pilot:
I really admire all you folks who can get any flavor of Linux to run. Yeah, I've installed it without any problem, and then I'm completely lost. Ubuntu was by far the easiest of all thus far....I've tried RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, and Ubuntu. But once I'm at the desktop and start going through the menus I can't seem to get it to do anything I want. Maybe I'm just too "Windows-centric"...lol. I couldn't connect to my wireless network, let alone to the internet, or figure out how to see if my drivers are working. Ughh. It's like trying to learn Chinese. Kudos to those who have the patience for this stuff. =)

I'm a very impatient person and just like you I've tried the others such as RedHat. I couldn't even figure out how to turn my pc off. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Really, as I wrote in a previous post, you need to have someone you can ask questions in real time. This made all the difference. Without that I would have just given up and reinstalled XP, as I had done so many times before.

There's also the Ubuntu site. It's full of documentation and also has a forum where noobs such as us post our problems.

Pirschjaeger
04-19-2007, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Persecutor_352:
Back to the issue; I'd dearly love to use Linux as my SOLE OS. But until Photoshop runs on Linux natively, until all the niceties that revolve around my favorite hobby (IL2) have native drivers (and Foxy gets written for Linux -- probably the 12th of never), I'm stuck with a Windoze installation.



I noticed Automatix offers a program that let's you install PS. Have you seen it? I also noticed a program that lets you use windows network drivers. I'm new to this so I'm not sure if that's what you guys are looking for.

Pirschjaeger
04-19-2007, 10:30 AM
Ubuntu
Edubuntu
Kubuntu
Xubuntu

1) So far I've only tried Ubuntu x86 and 64. Can you guys tell me what the differences are between the versions?

2) Which one do you guys feel is the best?

3) Has anyone played with Edubuntu?

4) I'd also like to point out that x86 seems to run smoother than 64. With 64 I seem to have a lot of failed updates. Have you guys had the same experience?

5) I'm currently upgrading to 7.04. Have you guys done this yet and what is your impression?

BSS_AIJO
04-19-2007, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Codex1971:
Now if only the IL-2 and BoB: SOW series were natively available for Linux... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Heck I can live with playing the game on my wintendo box.. The server though.. If that could nativly run under linux I would be in happy land..
We could then do uesfull things with perl. Imageine being able to build a automated campaign server with all of the stats tracking and management going on in the background all automated with perl and crond.. I would be in happy land.


BSS_AIJO

Ugly_Kid
04-19-2007, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
But you said OpenGL works? Java-basis works, too, IL2 seems to run on many LINUX based systems, as posted here, why is trackIR and joystick not usefull. No, wait, you're accepting, that Ubuntu is not a full alternative, yet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


I have all my three joysticks working, Saitek, M$ Precision Pro and Simped pedals with all buttons - both under wine and on linux native apps - so obviously I must be doing something seriously wrong...

Surely, it is not an alternative. I am suffering from horrible bug under linux - I am missing them black rings on the water that I have fully featured when I play IL-2 under windows...

Ugly_Kid
04-19-2007, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Ubuntu
Edubuntu
Kubuntu
Xubuntu

1) So far I've only tried Ubuntu x86 and 64. Can you guys tell me what the differences are between the versions?

Well first is obviously gnome, Kubuntu is with KDE desktop and Xubuntu is with xfce or something. I had some stress getting Kubuntu play ball from the beginning but I think the difference is only the desktop environment. You can convert Ubuntu to Kubuntu by uninstalling Gnome and installing KDE. That should be that, but I think there might be some other differences - I have feeling that Kubuntu lags a bit behind in updates or something - some people seem to deal with different problems as I might have.



2) Which one do you guys feel is the best?

I think Ubuntu is mainstream, rest are by products - a smaller Kubuntu group might get you more attention when you're asking help.



3) Has anyone played with Edubuntu?

4) I'd also like to point out that x86 seems to run smoother than 64. With 64 I seem to have a lot of failed updates. Have you guys had the same experience?



I am running 64 bit, updates fail? No, haven't had that. You'll have to spend time extracting some libs from 32bit packages under /usr/lib32 in order to get 32bit apps to run but that's that. I just like the feeling of having 64bit hardware and OS that really runs on 64bit - just for the h3ll of it. In 64bit native calculation software there is a big difference for 64bit but most users don't do much of a simulations at home...IL-2+wine on 64bit Ubuntu is faster than on 32bit Win XP http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



5) I'm currently upgrading to 7.04. Have you guys done this yet and what is your impression?

I'll wait for stable release, at the moment I am more than happy with Edgy...I don't know what I'd get with it. I updated from Dapper to Edgy and it made my system run better, beryl and stuff like that - otherwise...well...

Aaron_GT
04-19-2007, 01:06 PM
It's possible to use synaptic to install the relevant packages to turn ubuntu into kubuntu, xubuntu or edubuntu. Because I wanted xfce on my home system too I did a search and select for xfce in synaptic and ended up converting my home system technically into xubuntu, but mostly I log into a gnome environment so practically the only difference is the log in splash screen!

It is sometimes possible to get into the Microsoft equivalent of dll hell (it is possible on Windows after all) when packages you have installed and want to keep rely on a certain version of a library and one that you want to install requires another and the two versions of the library have different behaviours. BUt then the package manager is better at telling you that there is a potential problem than windows tends to be, although there is less dll hell on XP than on older Microsoft products, to be fair.

Lunix
04-19-2007, 11:13 PM
I'm suprised, and glad, to see this discussion here. At the risk of derailing a timebomb of a topic:

Using windows is like flying with a keyboard, sure its easy but it sucks.

If you want to fly, use the right tool for the job.

Windows GUI. Caveman interface developed before language. i.e. Point and grunt.

Linux CLI. Language is a powerfull tool.

Pirschjaeger
04-19-2007, 11:20 PM
Ha ha ha, I should have waited to upgrade to 7.04. In the real world with real world internet speed it should have been done in an hour. But I don't live in the real world. I started the update about 18 hrs ago and accrding to my internet speed I should be done in about 4 days. Will I wait? Good question. I'm very impatient, especially when it comes to computers.

I have a feeling I'll just reinstall with Xubuntu tonight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JR_Greenhorn
04-20-2007, 12:11 AM
I've been curious about trying Linux for a while now, and I have a number of questions regarding getting it set up on my rig.


1) My major issue is HDD space. I have a 120GB [advertised] HDD, with a 54GB (14GB full) "system" partition and a 58GB (40GB full) "user" partition [where most of my games and files are stored], both using NTFS. I also have a stack of backup CDs from my old computer that I haven't finished saving to and organizing on this computer, and I have a stack of audio CDs from which I want to put songs on the computer so my wife can use it as her library for her mp3 player. I was thinking I wanted to buy another HDD anyway, for storage if nothing else.

Given my situation, would it make the most sense to buy another HDD to put a Linux OS on?
Would a Linux OS fit on the 40GB I have free on my "system" partition? I would guess that Linux shouldn't/can't be on the same partition as XP.
Would I have to reformat my entire HDD to add a partition for a Linux OS? It looks like I'll have to look further into using the right file system for Linux or find a Linux OS that works with NTFS.
Or would it make the most sense to buy another HDD for file storage and put a Linux OS on the second partition of the HDD I have now?



2) I have a Core 2 Duo (e6600) which claims to offer "64-bit support through EM64T [Extended Memory 64 Technology]". In my understanding, this supposedly offers using more than 4GB of RAM and emulation of 64-bit computing on what is actually 32-bit architecture. Along with not buying enough HDD space up front, this is my other regret with my computer build. I didn't research enough the 32-bit vs. 64-bit capabilities and advantages/disadvantages of my components (I'm running a 32-bit version of XP).
With all that in mind, would I be best off sticking with a 32-bit version of Linux, or would there be benefits in going to a 64-bit version on my rig?



3) I need to do more of my own research here, but if any of you have quick answers, feel free to weigh in.
With that said, I've been thinking about the apps I use most often and what I would need to be able to do in Linux. The most important app that I'm the least sure about is MS Office Excel. Is there an equivalent for Linux? How about Word or some of the other MS Office apps?
I assume that an internet browser or a music/video player is no problem, and it seems that some of you are getting Il-2 running without issues. Are there solutions for other games? How about for older games? Are there any games out there that run natively on Linux?
What about things that a person usually takes for granted, like the Windows calculator or a pdf reader?



4) For peripherals, I've got a MS intelli-brand USB keyboard and mouse. I use the additional volume and launch Windows calculator buttons on the top of my keyboard, and I regularly use all five buttons of my mouse with custom app-based button mappings, as well as the mouse's side-scrolling tilt-wheel feature. I also have Saitek AV8R stick, a Sony digital camera, and my wife's Creative mp3 player, all USB-connected and all of which I would like to get running in Linux as well.
Does anyone know of any problems with any of these peripherals and Linux?



5) I'd especially like to get an industrial CAD package working in Linux. I currently have a legit copy of SolidWorks installed at home. I don't suspect SW would be the best choice to run under Linux, as SW is so natively tied into the Widows interface. However, if I could get Pro/E or even AutoCAD through work, does anyone have any experience running these or any other CAD package under Linux?


Thanks for letting my field my questions here, and I appreciate any help and advice you can give me.



Additionally, one of the draws for me to Linux is the CLI. I've found that in using various CAD and CAD/CAM packages over the last 10 years, that CLI allows for much more speed to an experienced or advanced user compared to the cumbersome point-and-click interface that is getting more and more common these days. I'm just old enough and was lucky enough as a child that I got to first learn how to use a computer on a DOS system (does anyone remember Radio Shack's Tandy computers?). I never thought the CLI of DOS was much of a problem at the time, and I remember thinking Windows 3.11 was weird at first. Admittedly, I haven't used an OS CLI since the DOS-only days.

bazzaah2
04-20-2007, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:
I've been curious about trying Linux for a while now, and I have a number of questions regarding getting it set up on my rig.


1) My major issue is HDD space. I have a 120GB [advertised] HDD, with a 54GB (14GB full) "system" partition and a 58GB (40GB full) "user" partition [where most of my games and files are stored], both using NTFS. I also have a stack of backup CDs from my old computer that I haven't finished saving to and organizing on this computer, and I have a stack of audio CDs from which I want to put songs on the computer so my wife can use it as her library for her mp3 player. I was thinking I wanted to buy another HDD anyway, for storage if nothing else.

Given my situation, would it make the most sense to buy another HDD to put a Linux OS on?
Would a Linux OS fit on the 40GB I have free on my "system" partition? I would guess that Linux shouldn't/can't be on the same partition as XP.
Would I have to reformat my entire HDD to add a partition for a Linux OS? It looks like I'll have to look further into using the right file system for Linux or find a Linux OS that works with NTFS.
Or would it make the most sense to buy another HDD for file storage and put a Linux OS on the second partition of the HDD I have now?



2) I have a Core 2 Duo (e6600) which claims to offer "64-bit support through EM64T [Extended Memory 64 Technology]". In my understanding, this supposedly offers using more than 4GB of RAM and emulation of 64-bit computing on what is actually 32-bit architecture. Along with not buying enough HDD space up front, this is my other regret with my computer build. I didn't research enough the 32-bit vs. 64-bit capabilities and advantages/disadvantages of my components (I'm running a 32-bit version of XP).
With all that in mind, would I be best off sticking with a 32-bit version of Linux, or would there be benefits in going to a 64-bit version on my rig?



3) I need to do more of my own research here, but if any of you have quick answers, feel free to weigh in.
With that said, I've been thinking about the apps I use most often and what I would need to be able to do in Linux. The most important app that I'm the least sure about is MS Office Excel. Is there an equivalent for Linux? How about Word or some of the other MS Office apps?
I assume that an internet browser or a music/video player is no problem, and it seems that some of you are getting Il-2 running without issues. Are there solutions for other games? How about for older games? Are there any games out there that run natively on Linux?
What about things that a person usually takes for granted, like the Windows calculator or a pdf reader?



4) For peripherals, I've got a MS intelli-brand USB keyboard and mouse. I use the additional volume and launch Windows calculator buttons on the top of my keyboard, and I regularly use all five buttons of my mouse with custom app-based button mappings, as well as the mouse's side-scrolling tilt-wheel feature. I also have Saitek AV8R stick, a Sony digital camera, and my wife's Creative mp3 player, all USB-connected and all of which I would like to get running in Linux as well.
Does anyone know of any problems with any of these peripherals and Linux?



5) I'd especially like to get an industrial CAD package working in Linux. I currently have a legit copy of SolidWorks installed at home. I don't suspect SW would be the best choice to run under Linux, as SW is so natively tied into the Widows interface. However, if I could get Pro/E or even AutoCAD through work, does anyone have any experience running these or any other CAD package under Linux?


Thanks for letting my field my questions here, and I appreciate any help and advice you can give me.



Additionally, one of the draws for me to Linux is the CLI. I've found that in using various CAD and CAD/CAM packages over the last 10 years, that CLI allows for much more speed to an experienced or advanced user compared to the cumbersome point-and-click interface that is getting more and more common these days. I'm just old enough and was lucky enough as a child that I got to first learn how to use a computer on a DOS system (does anyone remember Radio Shack's Tandy computers?). I never thought the CLI of DOS was much of a problem at the time, and I remember thinking Windows 3.11 was weird at first. Admittedly, I haven't used an OS CLI since the DOS-only days.


I don't know enough to answer most of your questions in any worthwhile detail but you could do a lot worse than post them at

http://ubuntuforums.org/

They're pretty helpful there - most of the firums are fast moving so you may need to bump a bit.

Open Office is directly equivalent to MS Office - not sure whether the spreadsheet has the same degree of high level functions like Excel but it should do. You will be able to use it if you use Excel - they look and operate in very similar ways. There are equivalents to Word, Powerpoint etc. All support MS file types, .doc, .xls etc. You can get Open Office for Windows as well so maybe try it out to see what you think. They all look just as good as the MS stuff, work very well and are free to use as well.

I've had no trouble with device recognition personally and can sync my iPod to my Linux music player without trouble for example.

Give it a go, it's worth some disk space and I only rarely boot up Windows these days. I just find it works better and faster than my XP installation does. Feisty is now an RC - mind you the beta was stabel - and I'd use that.

Aaron_GT
04-20-2007, 02:33 AM
Would a Linux OS fit on the 40GB I have free on my "system" partition? I would guess that Linux shouldn't/can't be on the same partition as XP.

40GB is plenty! You can, in theory, get Linux on a floppy, but if you want all the GUIs and bells-and-whistles then 8GB, plus a swap partition (roughly the size of RAM you have as rule of thumb) would be enough. How much more you need depends on how many additional programs or data you want to store. At work on I tend to create Linux virtual machines for developing and testing software at the default size of 8GB.

If you want to share data between Windows and Linux the easiest way on a single computer is still probably having a FAT32 partition. NTFS support from Linux I am still not sure about. There are tools for Windows to see Linux partitions, but again I am not sure about reliability.

There are two other options if you are just going to be an occasional Linux user and/or top-notch performance isn't an issue.

1. Try CoLinux. It allows you to host Linux under Windows, although installation isn't for the newbie.

2. Use a virtualisation tool, e.g. VMWare. This allows you to run Linux under Windows. My recommendations are either:

1. VMware server (which allows you to create new Linux installations).

2. VMware player (doesn't allow you to create new installations, but you can download ready created 'appliances').

3. Microsoft's Virtual PC

4. Xen

The advantage of 1, 2 is that they are cross platform - e.g. you can run VMWare on Linux or Windows so you can move your Linux virtual machine fairly widely (bar Mac OSX, BSD, and Solaris or exotica, but you are covered for Windows and Linux which is most machines). It is great for doing demos of software - you just take a CD/DVD with the VMware player and the virtual machine image to a customer site and you know it will work on their machines, pretty much.

Xen is being supported by Microsoft.

1, 2 and 3 are easy to use.

Given that you have a dual core machine virtualisation should work pretty well for you without having to get more hardware unless you feel that Linux is for you and you want to install it to run natively on a new partition or disk.

Aaron_GT
04-20-2007, 02:36 AM
Open Office is directly equivalent to MS Office - not sure whether the spreadsheet has the same degree of high level functions like Excel but it should do.

It lacks some of the scripting ability, but most people don't use that anyway.

Aaron_GT
04-20-2007, 02:40 AM
With all that in mind, would I be best off sticking with a 32-bit version of Linux, or would there be benefits in going to a 64-bit version on my rig?

The differences are going to be differences in execution speed (but the differences vary between AMD and Intel implmentations of 64 bit), but not really anything else for the home user. If you are running big SMP servers doing weather prediction with 32 GB RAM per machine then 32/64 bit does make a difference!

The thing to look out for in future upgrades is the hardware virtualisation technologies (AMD and Intel have their own versions yet again) as that will be useful if you want to go the virtualisation route. Basically the chip will help support virtualised operating systems making them run faster. For things that need to be close to the metal like games, though, virtualisation isn't quite there as yet, so you'd want native installations for recent games.

Pirschjaeger
04-20-2007, 03:18 AM
Ha ha ha ****, I just got home and it says I have 13 days and 20 hours left to finish the update. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I think it's time to reboot and install Xubuntu64. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Aaron_GT
04-20-2007, 05:07 AM
There's always the option of getting some nice person to put a copy of the 7.04 install on a CD and post it to you. I don't know which country you are in, but there are plenty of kind souls on the board.

mango42
04-20-2007, 05:36 AM
From avidly reading this thread I am getting the sense that Ubuntu is still in total-techie-land which is a place I personally don't wish to revisit - point and grunt suits me fine these days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

What would be utterly jolly would be if an Ubuntu expert (UglyKid, Bazaah?) dedicated to flight sims could lead us lesser mortals through the steps of getting, say, IL2 1946 and possibly BOBII running under Edgy Eft v6.10

I realise this is asking rather a lot of you busy people, so perhaps it could be written as a FAQ here - I,for one, would be more than happy to contribute towards your evening meals for the duration.

S!

mango

Alienware m9700, dual nVidia 7900GS SLI, 2GB RAM, 80GB HDD SATA, OpenGL, Audigy sound, USB Thrustmaster FFB stick + Saitek rudder/brake pedals, screen res 1920x1200, Logitech radio mouse and what about all those neat little tools like JoyControl, QOT etc etc etc?

Aaron_GT
04-20-2007, 06:40 AM
From avidly reading this thread I am getting the sense that Ubuntu is still in total-techie-land

I wouldn't say that for most simple installs it should be any harder to use than Windows, except that people are more familiar with Windows, plus most games run on Windows without needing extra tools like Wine.

Pirschjaeger
04-20-2007, 07:22 AM
I am Xubuntued. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just waiting for AX to d-load.

Hi Aaron,

I can wait for 7.04, I have a lot to learn anyway. Besides, I've already been asking and getting help. I don't wanna push it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hi Mango,

I am living proof it's not so techi. Installation is interesting. I pop in the cd and reboot. I set my boot to cd in bios and wait. Next a screen wil come up asking me what I want to do. I choose the first; set up. After about 3 minutes a virtual Ubuntu is loaded. You can look around and get a feel for it. Most things work too.

If you are not comfortable, remove the cd and reboot, resetting your boot sequence. You Windows will be there as if nothing happened.

If you want to install just click on the desktop icon. First, it will load a partition program. I always choose the second choice. The program erases my disk and repartitions by itself. Then you be asked for your computer name and login name, including a pass word.

Next you'll get a program that sets the time. Just click where you are in the world. Then click "set time", just to see if the date is correct. Then, click forward(next) and go watch TV for about an hour. When you return you'll be prompted to remove the cd and reboot.

At this point you've been Ubuntued. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You can start using your pc. I'm on a router so I don't have to deal with getting online; it's automatic.

After you've played for a while it's time to go to system/synaptic package manager. You'll be prompted for your password. After the window open click on "reload". Ubuntu goes online and checks for updates. One click and they will download and install. Then I go to settings, still in synaptic, and then repositories. I click all the offered repositories. Then I reload and download more updates. Now your ready for the cool stuff.

Reboot just for good measure. Go to this link:

Automatrix2 (http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation#Installing_Automatix2 _on_.28K.2CX.29Ubuntu_6.10_i386.2CAMD64_.28Edgy.29 )

and find your version.

Then go to applications/system/terminal. A window will open that looks just like Dos. Don't be afraid. Simply follow the easy directions from the link. Type the 6 command lines just as you see them, including spaces. Remember to hit enter after each one. You'll be asked if you want to continue, in the terminal screen. Yes , of course.

After your Automatix has downloaded go to applications/system/automatix. After it opens you'll see a list of programs and drivers for you pc that you can install. Make your choice and download. They all install by theirselves.

After that you can start playing with synaptic package manager and find a whole heep of programs to dload.

So, not so techi is it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-20-2007, 07:35 AM
And don't forget what version you have! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I did this and that's why I had so much trouble getting automatix. I was using the instructions for a different version.

For noobs like me I'd recommend using a spare HDD if you have one. I have two HDDs and leave Windows on one, just in case. So, it's as simple as plug and unplug. It's like having two pcs.

M_Gunz
04-20-2007, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I started the update about 18 hrs ago and accrding to my internet speed I should be done in about 4 days. Will I wait? Good question.

Can you download an update file elsewhere and use that on your machine?
Most libraries here have free T1 access with front USB2.0 ports.
You can even get wireless at coffee shops but I dunno the speed.
I love those USB data sticks!

LStarosta
04-20-2007, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Lunix:


Linux CLI. Language is a powerfull tool.

Indeed. And difficult to master, too.

Pirschjaeger
04-20-2007, 08:31 AM
Hi Gunz,

I think I can download it at work and burn it to a cd there.

BTW, I'm in China and little brother's iron net curtain really slows things down. The stability of China would crumble if Chinese were able to access educational sites. Thank god porn sites are not blocked. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Btw, CNN sites open nicely here while BBC is always blocked. You do the math. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-20-2007, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lunix:


Linux CLI. Language is a powerfull tool.

Indeed. And difficult to master, too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a 109 or a Jug. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sjeler
04-20-2007, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by mango42:
From avidly reading this thread I am getting the sense that Ubuntu is still in total-techie-land which is a place I personally don't wish to revisit - point and grunt suits me fine these days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

What would be utterly jolly would be if an Ubuntu expert (UglyKid, Bazaah?) dedicated to flight sims could lead us lesser mortals through the steps of getting, say, IL2 1946 and possibly BOBII running under Edgy Eft v6.10


Its a piece of cake. I just installed feisty and during installation I noticed feisty recognized my joystick all the way. What you have to do is "sudo apt-get install wine", run winecfg, copy IL2 installation from windows partition, navigate from console to IL2 folder and type wine il2fb.exe. Thats it. Works like charm in my case. Later today. I'll try to connect to server

arjisme
04-20-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Sjeler:
What you have to do is "sudo apt-get install wine", run winecfg, copy IL2 installation from windows partition, navigate from console to IL2 folder and type wine il2fb.exe. Thats it. Works like charm in my case. Have you (or anyone else here) tried running IL2 from an NTFS partition? That is, could you not go to where it is already installed under Windows and execute "wine il2fb.exe?"

Sjeler
04-20-2007, 11:41 AM
It is possible to do that (assuming you have ntfs-3g installed) but I would advise anyone to copy his IL2 installation to Linux partition first for various reason.

DmdSeeker
04-20-2007, 12:19 PM
My whole life revolves around Windows, as I'm a Windows system admin for Denmarks largets employer.

Nonetheless; I use Linux at the command line (that means "DOS box" if you don't know any better) a lot as I run Windows virtual machines on Linux servers (ESX).

Because I have to work occaisionly in Linux (albiet only at the command line); I keep trying Linux hoping one day to become a "real geek" (for those who don't work in IT; there's a lot of snobbishness between 'nix admins and Windows admins). I'm usually left with the imopression that Linux works for me; but I wouldn't inflict it on my friends or family as I can't be bothered to play help desk 24/7.

However, Ubuntu IS different; in that it's a desk top ready system. It comes with all you need for a lap top; including all the software (office; CAD, browser, Email etc. etc.) and built in hardware support for your Wifi, bluetooth, mobile fone, camera and what ever. Note I say desktop; not games. You can game in Linux; but the games; while being free, lag at least a year or three behind Windows (Imagine having XP and being limited to Win98 games)

Now get this: inspired by this thread, I downloaded the newest Ubuntu (7.10, aka Feisty Fawn)last night. I downloaded an ISO file which I burnt to CD. I booted on the CD and I had a working system without installing anything. Everything worked; my Wifi; my bluetooth phone; I could connect to my windows shares on my other boxes and play my MP3's etc. etc. I was impressed enough to click the install button. and then; this is what really freaks me out, I continued to surf the web and write Emails on this box _while it was installing_!

I don't know about running Windows games on it yet. Everything I see about running windows games on Linux (even the newest) still screams "geek!" to me. It may well be possible, albeit with a lot of fiddling, but that's not the point of this post.

The point is; with the latest releases of Linux, (certainly in the case of Ubuntu); Linux has come of age. It won't run your Windows apps natively; any more than a Mac would.

But it's here, it works, it's free, and gaming aside; it's faster, prettier and just a leetle bit cheaper than Vista.

I'll still be running Windows on my gaming box; because I can't be bothered to mess about with PC's in my free time and IL-2 JUST HAS TO WORK; k? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But my lap top is now Ubuntu. And damm me; so is wifey's! And that's a new thing.

Aaron_GT
04-20-2007, 01:34 PM
Well, tried IL2 on Ubuntu again with the latest ATI drivers and it works a treat with good frame rates apart from one problem - it recognises my FFB2 stick but doesn't take any input from it. I'll try upgrading to Ubuntu 7.04, but the main upgrade servers seem to be down currently (too much demand probably).

bazzaah2
04-20-2007, 01:51 PM
when you run winecfg do you get a series of error messages - something's up with my dll libraries but can't work out what it is. I'll take it elsewhere as it's really OT but just wondered quickly if anyone had the same problem?

sorted - deleted ./wine and started over.

Pirschjaeger
04-20-2007, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by DmdSeeker:


But my lap top is now Ubuntu. And damm me; so is wifey's! And that's a new thing.

Recently I threw a pc together for my wife. I installed XP with anti-virus and a firewall. To make a long story short, she quickly loaded her pc with pop ups and worms. The Chinese sites are famous for this. She was upset cause she couldn't read her mail. I just put the Ubuntu cd in and rebooted her pc and 5 minutes later, with a virtual OS, she was using Ubuntu to read her mail without hassle.

But you know women, give them a hand and they want an arm. Now I have to install it on her pc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ugly_Kid
04-21-2007, 03:28 AM
Well one thing is that I'd recommend to create a separate .wine tree for il-2. Then start game with WINEPREFIX=<path to il-2 .wine tree> wine il2fb.exe

Also do change il2fb.exe and il2.exe to use windows2000 in winecfg (it is default normally I think but later you may change default)

(later for hyperlobby you need to install DCOM98 and do some other loops - it is more complicated)

As for joystickss you need to have them running under linux before you proceed. You need to install utils/joystick package from universe-repository. There you get at least jscal and jstest utilities to test the sticks. I also have jscalibrator installed - no harm done there.

IMPORTANT: wine at least required softlinks of sticks to be located directly under /dev so you need to link all /dev/input/js* to /dev/js* with respective names.

bazzaah2
04-21-2007, 03:43 AM
thanks for that ugly Kid - my joystick and pedals were working but now they don't.

could you explain a bit more about that last sentence please?

Aaron_GT
04-21-2007, 05:56 AM
You need to install utils/joystick package from universe-repository. There you get at least jscal and jstest utilities to test the sticks. I also have jscalibrator installed - no harm done there.

I have those installed and jscalibrator correctly identifies my stick, but wiggle it all I like and it registers no deflection on the meters...

bazzaah2
04-21-2007, 05:59 AM
that's my problem too - what stick have you got?

edit - got the combatstick working, but not sure if that's because I unplugged it and plugged it in again, constructed a basic map in CH Manager under WINE or something else.

Pirschjaeger
04-21-2007, 06:16 AM
Well, I've installed Xubuntu and I have to say it hasn't worked as well as the different versions of Ubuntu I've tried. It seems many repository updates fail and I'm unable to get Skype working. Besides, I don't like light blue. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ubuntu worked very smoothly. I guess I'll go back to that and as long as Skype isn't working on Xubuntu I can't pick Bazzaah's brain. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

bazzaah2
04-21-2007, 06:20 AM
we can always hook up on Gaim!

partic_3
04-21-2007, 06:29 AM
Btw, CNN sites open nicely here while BBC is always blocked. You do the math.

Um, I think this is one of the most significant posts I've ever read here.

By the way, thanks, Pirschjaeger, for this post. You've inspired me to try this out.

Pirschjaeger
04-21-2007, 09:05 AM
Hi Partic,

it's definitely worth trying.

In the last couple days I've reinstalled 5 times, not because I needed to but rather because I wanted to. It's a good way to get familiar with the system. This is also the reason I recommended using a HDD specifically and exclusively for Linux. Windows seems to be pretty fragile and I figure that all my tinkering is bound to effect Windows if on the same HDD.

Another advantage to using an Hdisk for only Linux is partitioning. This way you can let Linux automatically format and partition. When I know a little more about the Linux lingo I'll reinstall and manually partition the disk. In fact, I'm going to buy another HDD just for playing with Linux.

I tried to install RedHat last year. Trying to figure out the partitioning took a few years off my life, but that's only a fraction of what XP has claimed. After RH I tried Gentoo and once again, partition problems. To be honest, I wish I had never met an MS OS. I'm not putting down MS when I say this. It's just that I think the way MS thinks. This is what confuses me when I tried to work with Linux in the past. How can I forget everything I've learnt and start over?

Now I'm very safe. When I need to do something quick with the pc I just unplug my Linux HDD and plug in the XP HDD. Still, I much prefer the Linux but I need time to get used to it. My pc runs much smoother and faster and I have some many free software options. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Aaron_GT
04-21-2007, 09:53 AM
that's my problem too - what stick have you got?

MS FFB2.

I've just upgraded to 7.04 (nice compiz wobbly window effects!) so I'll see if 7.04 does the trick...

Aaron_GT
04-21-2007, 01:13 PM
7.04 solved the joystick issues apart from the hat switch.

Next I'll run BlackDeath and post some windows/linux comparative frame rates.

Next... direct x flight sims to test...

Ugly_Kid
04-21-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
thanks for that ugly Kid - my joystick and pedals were working but now they don't.

could you explain a bit more about that last sentence please?

Well usually your sticks are located under /dev/input/js*
try with ls /dev/input/js* should list as many devices as you have sticks. They should work now under linux already.

In order to have them work under wine you need to do softlink to /dev
sudo ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0 (or was it vice versa)

You can monitor your sticks too with for example jstest /dev/input/js0 or so. It should display the name of the device and show some reactions I think...try it

IvanoBulo
04-21-2007, 02:34 PM
Hey, could anyone assist me with my joystick settings under Ubuntu? I have a USB pedals and they have detected as '/dev/input/event3' not as 'js*'. Other two sticks (AB2 and Saitek EVO) are working fine though. I digg internet to resolve this but have no luck...

Pirschjaeger
04-21-2007, 07:14 PM
I'm back to Ubuntu 6.10x64 and my pc definitely works better than it did with Xubuntu. Downloading repositories and programs is much much faster. I don't know why but it could have to do with my location.

Btw, have you guys seen XP on Linux?

3D Linux (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOWeeVvhiAw)

I see they are using VmWare to run XP. Has anyone here tried this?

Also, has anyone tried the 3D desktop? Is it worth getting or is it just eye-candy?

arjisme
04-21-2007, 08:04 PM
Based on this thread and the link to the youtube video on page 2 (by Abbuzze), I decided to upgrade my Dapper Dan install to Feisty Fawn. That went w/o a hitch. Then I got the 3D windows stuff working, including the cube using Beryl. I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro card, so there was a little bit of searching needed to figure out how to set up the drivers correctly. But I have it all working well and I really like the 3D windows. I'd say they are a fair amount eye candy, but they are also useful -- especially the cube. I find it makes it very easy to find what programs you have running on what desktops. It's just a nice, intuitive interface. You could manage that stuff w/o the 3D windows. Folks have been doing that for years. So its mostly personal preference, but it adds some fun to things and that's a good thing.

Pirschjaeger
04-21-2007, 08:19 PM
Hi All,

I've started a new thread with the simplest instructions for people who have never tried Linux but would like to.

New Thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9621051355)

I hope the Linux experts will follow and add comments and suggestions since I've only just begun using Linux.

I guess I'm going to have to try the 3D desktop. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

bazzaah2
04-22-2007, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bazzaah2:
thanks for that ugly Kid - my joystick and pedals were working but now they don't.

could you explain a bit more about that last sentence please?

Well usually your sticks are located under /dev/input/js*
try with ls /dev/input/js* should list as many devices as you have sticks. They should work now under linux already.

In order to have them work under wine you need to do softlink to /dev
sudo ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0 (or was it vice versa)

You can monitor your sticks too with for example jstest /dev/input/js0 or so. It should display the name of the device and show some reactions I think...try it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks - the problem I have is the same as Aaron GT's in that my CH combatstick and pro pedals are recognised but do not produce any input under jscalibrator. perplexing; they both worked initially after I got Il2 working under WINE but seem to have stopped for some reason. edit - The basic problem is that CH products for some reason do not initialize properly at boot. Most other j/s seem unaffected and apparently work well. very odd. at least I know what the problem is now....

@pirsch - I'd stick to Feisty - you can enable the desktop effects through the system menu - as you have an Nvidia card, should be very easy to do.

drapis
04-22-2007, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
@pirsch - I'd stick to Feisty - you can enable the desktop effects through the system menu - as you have an Nvidia card, should be very easy to do.

I just installed the newest release of Ubuntu last night - well it actually took about 20 minutes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. 3D desktop is really easy to install on this distribution - I just selected all Beryl related packages in package manager, it took about 5 minutes to download the packages, and then I simply clicked Application - System Tools - Beryl Manager in the start menu. There it was, 3D desktop with all its silly effects flawlessly working. As I have Radeon 9800 and rather modest system at best, I just played with it for a few minutes before switching back to default window manager. Still, it was working no problem. With better HW I might give it another try in the future.

I'm plannig to actually go the other way and try some simple lightweight window manager like the one that is shipped with xubuntu - I have tried some lightweight window managers about 2 years ago, and they sure were FAST http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-22-2007, 05:38 AM
I've just installed 7.04. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

While at work today I remembered how flying on EasternHotShots server (Netherlands) was so smooth and absolutely no lag. Then I thought "Hmmm, I wonder", and sure enough, I was able to download 7.04 from a Netherlands server in under an hour. I want what they're smoking. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I've also got Edubuntu installing right now on my wife's pc. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So, it's back to downloading updates. I should be an expert on installation and updating by the end of this next week. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-22-2007, 05:40 AM
Ha ha ha, my updates finished before I could finish writing my last post. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

How cool is this? In synaptic manager/repositories linux tests almost 160 servers to tell me which is the fastest. I like this.

It's Taiwan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Ooooh, feel the burn little brother! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

bazzaah2
04-22-2007, 05:48 AM
thumbs up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

you got the 3d working yet Pirsch?

Pirschjaeger
04-22-2007, 05:56 AM
Not yet, haven't tried yet. Just downloading and installing the NVidia drivers now.

I'm going on Gaim right now.

Aaron_GT
04-22-2007, 06:43 AM
thanks - the problem I have is the same as Aaron GT's in that my CH combatstick and pro pedals are recognised but do not produce any input under jscalibrator.

The upgrade to 7.04 fixed that, although on my first run through jscalibrator I didn't quite move the stick to the extreme edges which causes the control surface deflection to reverse at the last bit of travel. Hat switch not yet working... Pedals not tried as yet.

Beryl.. doesn't seem to be playing with ATI cards as well as I might hope, but compiz works fine. The cube rotation workspace changing thing made be dizzy!

bazzaah2
04-22-2007, 06:55 AM
lucky you! I think the problem I have is with the fact that my equipment is all CH and that seems to have a problem with Linux....

the support from ATI isn't great, but it does work, just a bit more fiddly.

Aaron_GT
04-22-2007, 08:26 AM
System: AMD XP 3000, 1GB RAM, ATI 9800 all in wonder.

Black death, 1280x960 'high' quality settings.

Linux: 25 average, Windows XP average: 33

It's worth noting, though, that the ATI 9800 all in wonder is one of the ones with all the pipelines on the board, but you need to fiddle the drivers in XP to make it operate with them all (making it a 9800 Pro rather than a 9800 SE) but this hasn't been done on Linux, but then I can't remember if I redid this fiddle on XP either since last time I reinstalled...

Nvidia driver support may be better, so YMMV.

Minimum FPS is better on Linux, even if the average is lower (11 versus 5).

Ugly_Kid
04-22-2007, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Beryl.. doesn't seem to be playing with ATI cards as well as I might hope, but compiz works fine. The cube rotation workspace changing thing made be dizzy!

I had some stress with ATI too. My 9600 did not get recognized as 3D at all by X-Plane, although simultaneously I could play IL-2 via wine. Beryl or compiz I had to start with separate XGL session and so on. I bought myself a cheap GF6600 and that was the last bit of ATI my computer is going to digest - so indeed linux affects my choice of hardware.

Pirsch, I have vmware running, although not with XP, I have win 2k on it. Quite ok, I'd say. I like to use original scanner software from Epson and alike - it works quite nice, given that your hardware gets recognized by linux in the first place.

I had a nice WLAN escapade in between. I bought Netgear card (WG300T or something) and it had conflict with my VIA chipset mainboard. Netgear forum is full of complaints about this. It is, however, with Atheros chipset and really recommendable with Linux. Whereas I get bluescreen on Windows (same with 2000 as with XP - I use another USB adapter instead there) but under Linux I have no problems and consequently I am able to use this adapter in windows running under vmware with zero difficulties.

Aaron_GT
04-22-2007, 11:06 AM
I had some stress with ATI too. My 9600 did not get recognized as 3D at all by X-Plane, although simultaneously I could play IL-2 via wine. Beryl or compiz I had to start with separate XGL session and so on.

I found that with Ubuntu 6.10 I had to use a separate Xgl session and that the older ATI drivers from 6 to 9 months ago made the whole desktop crawl. The drivers seem to be better. 7.04 seems to do the effects nicely out of the box with compiz once you go to the relevant control and turn them on. Beryl seemed to mess things up - I'll stick with compiz for the time being until they do the merge back of beryl and compiz.

In the meantime, I need to find a nicer desktop theme that brings out the best of the compiz effects.

Also... no more ATI cards until they sort out the drivers. Given that ATI is now owned by AMD and AMD is keen on Linux support they should improve eventually, and the current crop at least get better performance in Linux than just a few months ago.

Aaron_GT
04-22-2007, 11:07 AM
Re: vmware - I wonder if I can run windows music software from it at a decent clip and get it to recognise my usb audio interface -and- access it with low latency... That might be a stretch.

Ugly_Kid
04-22-2007, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Also... no more ATI cards until they sort out the drivers. Given that ATI is now owned by AMD and AMD is keen on Linux support they should improve eventually, and the current crop at least get better performance in Linux than just a few months ago.

Yeah, I am also pretty much pro AMD but I am not that easily dragged into ATI boat again...well it depends - there are good cards and google will save you grief - that is one thing I've learnt before buying even a lightbulb for my computer.

Vmware and sound...well - I have the feeling USB stuff gets passed well on to vmware as soon as the device gets recognized by linux itself. I think linux does not need to support the device itself - just know there is one and pass it on. USB seems to be a safer bet...try it, it is really a walk in the park...

drapis
04-22-2007, 01:36 PM
Hi guys,

just to keep it a bit more on topic, here is link to info on running Il-2 on Linux

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=7102

Aaron_GT
04-22-2007, 04:07 PM
I'm not alone then with a non working hatswitch...

Aaron_GT
04-22-2007, 04:09 PM
I'm pretty familiar with the use of vmware, so I'll check out whether it will work with cubase dongles and usb audio devices. Gradually it might be such that I don't need to boot natively into XP to do the things I want to do. It might be worth keeping XP installed natively too, just in case, but it is handy if I don't need to reboot to get windows support for music apps or IL2.

arjisme
04-22-2007, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Also... no more ATI cards until they sort out the drivers. Given that ATI is now owned by AMD and AMD is keen on Linux support they should improve eventually, and the current crop at least get better performance in Linux than just a few months ago. I guess experiences differ or maybe it is just the particular card? I have a Radeon 9800 Pro and am using Beryl and it seems to work very well. I am not using the proprietary driver. I did have to add some entries to /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get it to accelerate well. That being said, I have found some things (non Beryl related) that don't work, like the 3D screensavers.

On a related note (hw issues), I had bought a Creative ExtremeGamer X-Fi sound card earlier this month. It worked well in IL-2 (Windows) but is a no go under Linux. Today I returned it and am back to the on-board sound, which works fine under both OSs. So now I'm back to hunting for a good sound card that will work under both. I hadn't bought a Creative product in years and I guess that's the way its going to continue to be.

Pirschjaeger
04-23-2007, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:

Pirsch, I have vmware running, although not with XP, I have win 2k on it. Quite ok, I'd say. I like to use original scanner software from Epson and alike - it works quite nice, given that your hardware gets recognized by linux in the first place.


How does it work? Once VMWare is installed, do you just pop the windows cd in or what? I'd like to get 2x installed for the same reasons you mentioned, especially for programs like PS.

Another question; is a repository a patch in the IL-2 sense?

bazzaah2
04-23-2007, 04:41 AM
Hi Pirsch, a repository is a place, for want of a better word, where software is held for people to download.

Pirschjaeger
04-23-2007, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
Hi Pirsch, a repository is a place, for want of a better word, where software is held for people to download.

So when you update repositories you are more or less saving direct links?

bazzaah2
04-23-2007, 05:04 AM
Once you get into a bit more you'll see that you can add repos via System/admin/Software Sources and those always contain an http address. Check it out and you'll see what I mean. Once your various repositories are changed or new software is added then your network connection will be told that there is new software and you get that orangey icon appear....that's what I think anyway, probably that's only part correct.

With Synaptic or apt-get on a command line you in effect order Linux to acccess that address directly and download - that's why the authentication keys are important. I imagine that software that's put in a repo always a self-installing .deb package. If you get software from elsewhere it's often a tar.gz which won't self extract and sometimes needs to be compiled manually, a Linix dark art of which I know little.

Pirschjaeger
04-23-2007, 06:00 AM
"orangey"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

My Linux vocabulary is expanding. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Speaking of tar.gz, there's also rpm. I tried to open YouTube but didn't have the FlashPlayer installed. When I went to the FP site they offered both dloads. I'm using Ubuntu 7.04. Do I want tar or rpm?

bazzaah2
04-23-2007, 06:20 AM
get the tar.gz should be installation instructions once you've unzipped it.

better still is a .deb file so take that if it's there.

DKoor
04-23-2007, 09:54 AM
All right... I wanna convert because I never liked M$.
Plus, if I can get a good free OS then why not?
Why pay when it can be free?

Having that in mind, I want to ask a few questions to whoever knows the answer.

1.These "free OS's", how do I install them, do I simply download OS and burn it on CD and restart the PC and boot from CD or...?
2.Can I back it up with Norton GHOST or similar program?
3.I have K8N MBO and old nVidia FX5600, Athlon 3.2... is it possible for me to get the proper drivers and where (assuming that those on my stock CD wont do (I assume they're exclusively for Windows)?
4.I need a decent firewall, antivirus, CD/DvD burning program, Winamp, IrfanView, GordianKnot (for making .AVI outta DvD), Adobe Reader and MS Office... can I have them on this free OS?
5.Do .EXE files work on UBUNTU, if not what are executables on this OS?

I have perhaps few more questions, but for now I can think of these.

bazzaah2
04-23-2007, 10:11 AM
1. you need to burn your d/l as an iso image - md5 checksum the download though.
2. dunno
3. Linux drivers pick up a lot though not everything - I'd check out the Ubuntu board to check your hardware compatability.
4. you can get nero for Linux works v well, there's one included in Ubuntu as well. there's a firewall included. Spyware and adware not a problem (at the moment...). You can get Open office as an equivalent to MS office, DeVeDe to convert .avi to DVD (not sure if it works the otehr way round though). VLC is a good substitute for Winamp.
5. not natively no. You can run some .exe files through WINE and cedega though, compatibility layers.

there are some good sites that cover a lot of this stuff, like psychocats.org (I think).

Do a good check on your hardware before you start though - Ubuntu's great when it works and frankly a PITA when it doesn't; like internet without a router is problematic and wireless has been difficult, though improved under Feisty I gather.

But my set up, as it has been for the majority of others, works very well, with only my CH stick proving a nuisance.....ymmv!
Good luck!

AFJ_rsm
04-23-2007, 10:20 AM
DKoor

If your windows works, and you have it set up to your preferences, and you fly online on hyperlobby, skip linux


its just a pain in the ***. Why trying to figure out how everything works, or how to make things work, when you already have it at that with windows?


I went through a linux phase myself not too long ago. I never managed to get my stick, trackir, hyperlobby or even il2 to run. Screw that. O and before the linux fanbois jump on me. I DID learn my linux.

It's better to learn how to take better care of your windows and not fill it up with ****. If you're not a geek, but you still make heavy use of your computer (gaming, working, etc), then linux is not for you

bazzaah2
04-23-2007, 10:26 AM
disagree, I'm not a geek and Linux works fine for me and I use it for my work just fine, though it's easier to use XP for games.

Still each to their own...

DmdSeeker
04-23-2007, 10:41 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:


How does it work? Once VMWare is installed, do you just pop the windows cd in or what? I'd like to get 2x installed for the same reasons you mentioned, especially for programs like PS.

QUOTE]

Yes. You use VMware to define a virtual hardware platform on to which you then install an operative system in the normal way.

It comes in four flavours; ESX; Workstation VMserver, and player. The last two are free.

For example; at home, on an old Dell 500Mhz machine I have; I've installed Linux RH. On that; I've installed VMware server. And on that I have my domain controller, exchange and FTP servers running as virtual macines.

So there's three Win 2003 machines running ontop of a 500 Mhz Linux box.

DKoor
04-23-2007, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
1. you need to burn your d/l as an iso image - md5 checksum the download though.
2. dunno
3. Linux drivers pick up a lot though not everything - I'd check out the Ubuntu board to check your hardware compatability.
4. you can get nero for Linux works v well, there's one included in Ubuntu as well. there's a firewall included. Spyware and adware not a problem (at the moment...). You can get Open office as an equivalent to MS office, DeVeDe to convert .avi to DVD (not sure if it works the otehr way round though). VLC is a good substitute for Winamp.
5. not natively no. You can run some .exe files through WINE and cedega though, compatibility layers.

there are some good sites that cover a lot of this stuff, like psychocats.org (I think). Thanks for your answer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Do a good check on your hardware before you start though - Ubuntu's great when it works and frankly a PITA when it doesn't; like internet without a router is problematic and wireless has been difficult, though improved under Feisty I gather.

But my set up, as it has been for the majority of others, works very well, with only my CH stick proving a nuisance.....ymmv!
Good luck! I'll check it out... now I don't have much time so I'll check it out when I buy some new hardware.


Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:
DKoor

If your windows works, and you have it set up to your preferences, and you fly online on hyperlobby, skip linux For now I will... when I get new rig I'll give Linux a spin. If it proves to be ok I'll keep it.



its just a pain in the ***. Why trying to figure out how everything works, or how to make things work, when you already have it at that with windows? That is the no.1 reason why I still keep my shltty windozers... they fill with all kind of cr@p, but slowly tho. I just reinstalled them few days ago... previous install lasted for ~1 year (I don't seem to remember the last time I reinstalled). And even on this reinstall it wasn't absolutely necessary, they still worked ok.
For now I don't have time to mess around with Linux, from what I see so far it seems like a lot of job and learning is needed, but sometimes I will check it out.

BTW for Windows reinstall (I did it more than 100 times, to me and my buddies, I guess so I kinda know what I'm doing), it takes few hours to set up it properly with all progs I need (but not 100% tho cos I simply can't remember everything).
If I have it backed up with Acronis TrueImage or Norton GHOST then it takes 10mins to bring it back packed full with all progs you need!
Of course con is that I have old programs (not up to date) but that isn't such a big deal anyway - I'm one of those users who doesn't need to have all newest stuff anyway.


I went through a linux phase myself not too long ago. I never managed to get my stick, trackir, hyperlobby or even il2 to run. Screw that. O and before the linux fanbois jump on me. I DID learn my linux. Well that sux because I don't wanna to not be able to use all my fav progs too...


It's better to learn how to take better care of your windows and not fill it up with ****. If you're not a geek, but you still make heavy use of your computer (gaming, working, etc), then linux is not for you All right I agree with this... the only reason why I mentioned the switch anyway is because it's free. That's the main reason, the other lesser reason is that every fecking hacker outhere seems to have a prob with M$... so most of the trojans, viruses and other spyware are written almost exclusively for windows/IE.
After I made a switch to mozilla it's like a whole new world; no more crappy sypware.
I could find other more useful things to spend time on then learning to work in new OS, it's just if I can save few extra bucks.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-23-2007, 11:24 AM
DKoor, check this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9621051355) thread out for an easy start.

Pirschjaeger
04-23-2007, 11:35 AM
Hey Bazzaah, my plan worked. I got the mic going. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DKoor
04-23-2007, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
DKoor, check this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9621051355) thread out for an easy start. Thanks I saw it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

MarkSynthesis
04-23-2007, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
All right... I wanna convert because I never liked M$.
Plus, if I can get a good free OS then why not?
Why pay when it can be free?

An attractive argument--unfortunately, I have enough trouble getting things to run (on the same XP disc I got with a laptop 5 years ago). It's a risk that I personally can't really take.

bazzaah2
04-23-2007, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Hey Bazzaah, my plan worked. I got the mic going. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

excellent!

Aaron_GT
04-23-2007, 12:47 PM
2.Can I back it up with Norton GHOST or similar program?

There are some tools within Linux you can use, but I find the easiest thing to use is a a tool called BootItNG. Basically you create a CD with this on, boot it, and it has much of the functionality of Norton Ghost, although it is a bit slower to copy and slide partitions.

Aaron_GT
04-23-2007, 12:53 PM
4.I need a decent firewall

Most distros come with a firewall. In fact many 'hardware' firewalls are actually Linux machines. Many DSL routers are also actually Linux boxes (or sometimes a BSD flavour) running a firewall.


antivirus

Less likely to be an issue, but there are ones available, e.g. ClamAV.


CD/DvD burning program

k3b is a good choice.


Winamp

You are spoiled for choice. Xmms is most like winamp, but for fuller audio capability amarok and rhythmplayer are good. There are a whole host for playing video files too.


IrfanView

Many tools!


GordianKnot (for making .AVI outta DvD)

Loads of tools here too.


Adobe Reader

Adobe reader is available for Linux too.


MS Office...

Open office, or even MS Office via Cross over office or wine compatibility layers.

Ugly_Kid
04-23-2007, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:
Why trying to figure out how everything works, or how to make things work, when you already have it at that with windows?


It's called learning - it's supposed to be beneficial for intelligence but never you mind...

Pirsch, rpm stands for RedHat package manager or something like that. It is one form of package that contains binaries for the software. Ubuntu uses .deb. There is a utility called "alien" that converts rpm to deb but try to get original first.

Flash? Am I right that you now run 64bit Ubuntu? Just in case as I earlier mentioned flashplayer is 32bit native software so you need to do some biceps before getting that to run. There are couple of solutions - do a search on x64 forum of Ubuntu. One option is a wrapper utility and the other solution is installing a 32bit web browser that then consequently supports 32bit flash plugin.

Oh absolutely cool mp3 player software is amarok...

Aaron_GT
04-23-2007, 02:17 PM
Note that with amarok you sometimes have to jump through some hoops to get it to play mp3s as mp3s are patent encumbered, although rythmplayer plays them out of the box, so go figure. Amarok has more functionality, though, but rythmplayer is adequate. You can also use a version of realplayer for real player streams by going to www.real.com (http://www.real.com)

The other thing to get is gtkpod for ipods although it never sees all 4GB on mine, just 2GB.

p-11.cAce
04-23-2007, 02:40 PM
I work in IT and I greatly admire what you guys are doing...but I'm with AFJ on this one. I agree that MS is evil...but I sure like buying a piece of software, installing it, and having it work. I like having easily available drivers for all my accessories, and a network full of workstations and servers that hum right along 90+% of the time. The key to getting stability at home and work with MS products had more to do with locking down what users can and cannot do than anything on the software side.

But like I said, I admire your efforts. My neighbor built his own motorcycle, I bought mine from the dealership. His is a jeweled piece of work, but he works more than rides - but probably has more pride and enjoyment riding something he built himself. I think the same situation can occur with some OS's.

AFJ_rsm
04-23-2007, 02:50 PM
Maybe my tone was too harsh

I don't wanna discourage anyone from trying new things

Heck if at all, what I want to encourage are options because I'm 100% anti monopolies

However I believe you guys might be painting the picture a little too "nice" for those who have never heard of Linux, when in reality it's not.

I know of the many pluses Linux has. I've used Linux, I've learnt Linux and I've worked on Linux. And I love some of its features, but please, when making these threads inviting people to join in, show both sides of the coin!

And before someone kicks me out of the thread in disgust I'll say that a working linux environment which has been properly set up to satisfy your needs (which is the real hard part) is unbeatable.

Now adios.

bazzaah2
04-23-2007, 03:07 PM
i don't think anyone's posting a rosy picture - maybe you're a bit of date.

i must tell you though that Linux worked better for me out of the box than Xp ever did.

There are some irritating deficiencies but they all relate to drivers or the lack of them. As an OS it's solid, stable, fast and efficient. And free in ways that MS products never will be.

Overall though Linux is more than good enough for all my non-gaming needs, which is 95% of my computing time.

Sjeler
04-23-2007, 07:20 PM
But like I said, I admire your efforts. My neighbor built his own motorcycle, I bought mine from the dealership. His is a jeweled piece of work, but he works more than rides - but probably has more pride and enjoyment riding something he built himself. I think the same situation can occur with some OS's.

I'd call it changing of habits. Like pilots who went to me 262 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

M_Gunz
04-23-2007, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:
I know of the many pluses Linux has. I've used Linux, I've learnt Linux and I've worked on Linux.

Me too since I loaded it through 3 1/2 diskette. But I had found that some distros work much
better than others. I have a magazine distro that wouldn't boot how I wanted with a dynamite
MIDI package that maybe I'll extract and see if it will work with this one.

I am impressed with what Ugly Kid has had to say about Ubuntu and I have a lot of respect for
what he says, he does not play games or say 'certain' when he is not.

I don't use my old W98 partition so I'll be loading Ubuntu there at my convenience. Last Linux
I had installed was Red Hat 9 but I could not run IL2 on it!

Windoze is far from perfect so how good does Ubuntu have to be to stay on my HD? I'd rather
have two resident OS's anyway and W98 doesn't work and play well with my videocard.

Pirschjaeger
04-23-2007, 07:47 PM
Hi Ugly Kid,

32bit browser? Actually, that what I did but I thought it was sort of cheating. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I figured I'd deal with downloading and installing Flash after I had learnt more. I like options. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The only real problem I've had with Linux so far is getting my audio card to work. I got it working once but when I did a reinstall to 7.04 I forgot what I did in the first place. The audio worked fine with the exception of my mic. The mic would work on Skype for about two minutes, then not. If I rebooted, I got 2 minutes of mic use again. In trying to solve the problem lastnight I ended up losing all my sound, so I removed the audio card and reinstalled using the onboard audio. It works fine but I'd rather have the card I spent money for. BTW, my card is an Audigy 5.1.

Hmmm, I was going to write something else but I was just looking at the back of the card and I think I may have figured out the problem. First, until Bazzaah asked if I was using digital or analogue mic I had had no idea the choice existed. No that my card is out in the open I can see I have the choice. I have 4 sockets on the card. Blue shows a mic and also say "or digital_IO", green is 1, black is 2, and orange is 3. Now I have a feeling my card was working fine but maybe I had to raise one of the analogue sliders, not just the mic slider. Is it possible by default Linux assumes I plugged my mic into digital?

F16_Neo
04-24-2007, 01:01 AM
Ubuntu installation the Neo(tm) way.

Well I got curious on this distro, so I thought I give it a shot.
I've got very little experience with Linux, but got Mandrake running successfully a few years ago.

1. I decided to install Ubuntu on an empty PATA drive to dual-boot with my windows installation on my other (SATA) drive.
2. Installation went ok, I chose to partition the drive with default parameters.
3. I rebooted with disc removed.
4. Something called "GRUB" said error 21, and halted the system.
5. Tried to reinstall a few times.
6. Tried to restore boot sector on winxp-drive with XP CD, no luck. Still GRUB err 21.
7. Tried to boot at all with WinXP CD. No luck.
8. Tried to boot at all with WinXP CD - SATA drive removed. This got installation going.
9. Tried to install winxp on the PATA drive. Installer said, after formatting, something like disk is probably broken and installation cant continue. DOH.
10. 1.15 AM - went to sleep in anger.

Of course I backed up everything important prior to all this.
Will need to find some fancy boot cd, that can fix whatever went wrong with the XP-drive, or fix whatever happened to my PATA drive.

Note to self: Don't fiddle with things you dont understand.
To be continued...

bazzaah2
04-24-2007, 01:19 AM
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285638

perhaps this might help...good luck!

Aaron_GT
04-24-2007, 01:52 AM
I work in IT and I greatly admire what you guys are doing...but I'm with AFJ on this one. I agree that MS is evil...but I sure like buying a piece of software, installing it, and having it work.

That's what you get with 99% of stuff on Linux that is compiled natively for that platform. There are things out there which are immature packages, but that is why you go to a well respected distribution as the creators have done the testing for you and selected the stuff that works and left out the stuff developed by only one guy who only works on it on alternate Thursdays.

Things have improved a lot in the past couple of years, too. It was usable on the desktop back then, but it lacked some of the polish it does now which meant that you might have meant fixing some things up that the novice wouldn't be able to do. Mind you, I've been using UNIX-like stuff for almost 20 years, so what I think is easy might not be the case for others!


I like having easily available drivers for all my accessories, and a network full of workstations and servers that hum right along 90+% of the time.

That's the bigger issue with Linux, although this is mostly down to manufacturers. This having been said out of the box Linux now does better in terms of supporting hardware without recourse to additional driver disks than XP does, to be honest, apart from things like ATI graphics cards (ATI seems to be finally making some efforts here), joysticks, and Track IR, and some printers. It's definitely improving in these areas. It's still the case, as you rightly note, that sometimes there are no decent drivers available on Linux for a piece of hardware as the manufacturers of the hardware either haven't written one or released enough information for someone else to write one.

drapis
04-24-2007, 02:19 AM
@DKoor or anyone else wanting to try something new beside MS Windows:

All you can do WITHOUT risking any changes to your system at all is DL&burn Ubuntu (or any other Linux for that matter, but Ubuntu is said to be amongst the most user friendly...) image, reboot your computer and boot from that CD (in Setup you can set computer to check whether you can boot from CD/DVD before it tries to boot from the hardrive - it's usually the second option in main SETUP menu, called Boot priority or something like that...)

With Ubuntu CD in drive, and Setup Boot priority set, your system boots from that CD and you get to Ubuntu start screen, where you choose the first option (simply press ENTER). It should say something like Run or install Ubuntu. Don't worry about the install part http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

After a while (remember that the entire system loads up from the CD...) you get to normal Ubuntu desktop, working with all the default apps (browsers, email client, office suite, about a hundred of other progs, just check it out) It's not going to be as fast as it would be when it's installed, but it should give you perspective on how Linux really looks and how it works on your machine... If you decide you like Ubuntu, you can install it on your system by clicking the Install icon on your desktop. If you decide you don't like it, simply reboot the system, remove the CD from the tray (and change the BIOS boot settings back) and there you go - no trace of Linux on your machine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PS: Ubuntu tries to autodetect your internet settings (just like WIN), so if you're using router, you should be online the moment it boots, if you're using custom net settings, it can't detect them (just like WIN...), you have to set it up manually in Administration - Network menu (it looks very much like Windows network settings menu, where you can also find what network settings your machine uses - in Start - Settings - Control Panel - Network Settings - whatever connection you're using - TCP/IP protocol - there would be 4 numbers, you just write them down somewhere and after you're in Ubuntu, enter them in Network dialogue mentioned above)

PPS: if you don't want to even bother with this, you can just try many applications from Ubuntu even on Windows, many of these come in Windows version too. Try Open Office (great and free MS Office alternative), Gimp (Photoshop alternative), Firefox & Thunderbird (browser and email client - much better than IE&Outlook) and many more

Cheers

Skinny2007
04-24-2007, 03:42 AM
Mouse doesnt work (under wine) ?

It used to work, now I just reinstalled Ubuntu Feisty from scratch, installed wine 0.9.35, and now when I launch IL2 under wine, my mouse doesnt move no matter what I try. I tried alt tabbing in and out, moving window to other viewport, tried full screen and windowed,... nothing helps ??

Any ideas ?

drapis
04-24-2007, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by Skinny2007:
Mouse doesnt work (under wine) ?

It used to work, now I just reinstalled Ubuntu Feisty from scratch, installed wine 0.9.35, and now when I launch IL2 under wine, my mouse doesnt move no matter what I try. I tried alt tabbing in and out, moving window to other viewport, tried full screen and windowed,... nothing helps ??

Any ideas ?

I haven't tried it under wine yet, but this sometimes happens in Win as well, IMHO it's caused by doing some action that causes the Il-2 application to 'loose focus', like clicking on some other windows while Il-2 already started to launch.

Pirschjaeger
04-24-2007, 04:17 AM
Sorry Skinny, I have no idea since I've never used Wine. Sounds like it just needs to be enabled. I'm sure someone will be along soon to help you.

But, I've noticed an odd behavior from some of those who have posted in here.

If you want to learn how to swim, there are two ways. One way is to take it slowly and get your feet wet. Step into shallow water and get used to it. The more comfortable you feel the deeper you can go.

The other way is to just go and just off the deep end. You'll get a mouth full of water, choke a lot, and if you are very lucky, you might survive, but I doubt it.

Learning linux is like learning to swim. I don't understand how some of you guys can just go for complicated installations right from the word "go" and then whine about how linux screwed your system. Linux did not screw your system; you did. You screwed your system because you didn't take the time to learn. I too have problems with linux but I'm not about to drop the blame elsewhere.

Did you somehow think your years of fighting with MS would prepare you for linux? Linux is different so that means you have to be patient and learn.

Remember the first time you flew a virtual plane? Could you take off and land the first time you tried IL-2? When you crashed did you write hate mail to Oleg?

C'mon guys, start slow and learn something. In the last week I've reinstalled 8 times for various reasons and every reason was due to my faults. In fact I'm about to reinstall again cause I screwed my system by stopping a working app installation. Guess what? I learnt something. Also, if I had done that in XP I'd be staring at a blue screen now.

My point is, don't be selfish by coming here and crying cause you jumped in head first. You'll scare away those who are willing to take the time to learn and thus discourage them from improvement.

BTW, not referring to you Skinny.

Pirschjaeger
04-24-2007, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by F16_Neo:
Ubuntu installation the Neo(tm) way.

Well I got curious on this distro, so I thought I give it a shot.
I've got very little experience with Linux, but got Mandrake running successfully a few years ago.

1. I decided to install Ubuntu on an empty PATA drive to dual-boot with my windows installation on my other (SATA) drive.
2. Installation went ok, I chose to partition the drive with default parameters.
3. I rebooted with disc removed.
4. Something called "GRUB" said error 21, and halted the system.
5. Tried to reinstall a few times.
6. Tried to restore boot sector on winxp-drive with XP CD, no luck. Still GRUB err 21.
7. Tried to boot at all with WinXP CD. No luck.
8. Tried to boot at all with WinXP CD - SATA drive removed. This got installation going.
9. Tried to install winxp on the PATA drive. Installer said, after formatting, something like disk is probably broken and installation cant continue. DOH.
10. 1.15 AM - went to sleep in anger.

Of course I backed up everything important prior to all this.
Will need to find some fancy boot cd, that can fix whatever went wrong with the XP-drive, or fix whatever happened to my PATA drive.

Note to self: Don't fiddle with things you dont understand.
To be continued...

Too far, too fast. If I wanted to try what you tried I would first search linux forums, but I don't have the courage to use two OSs yet. That's my March 2008 goal. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-24-2007, 04:29 AM
Ok, I'm actually doing this from two pcs, copy and paste from mine and type from my wife's. If there's a will there's a way.

I tried to install flashplayer earlier and interrupted something. Since then I can't open syn manager or update and my keyboard is getting to be a little wacky. When I try update or syn man I get this message:

E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
E: _cache->open() failed, please report.

Does any of the experten have advice? I know it's a small problem but I'm still very new to linux. (10 days)

Please type slowly and clearly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW, I do know I have to type "sudo" in terminal to obtian admin rights,.....but that's where my knowledge stops. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

xf86config
04-24-2007, 04:37 AM
Hi,

Only skim read this thread so far.

For those who want to experiment with Ubuntu/Linux and do so in a safe manner there is a (free) product from Microsoft called VirtualPC, in effect this is a PC that runs in a window on XP. You can install VirtualPC then install Linux onto the VirtualPC machine.

Experiment to your hearts content, then if you decide you no longer want it on your machine, uninstall VirtualPC ( and ubuntu ) in the same manner as you would uninstall any other piece of Windows Software.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned

XF

PS: Pirschjaeger:

Presuming your using Ubuntu latest release

Have you configured your online repositories ?
( if not do so by editing /etc/apt/sources.lst )

If you know the name of a package you want to install you can do so bye typing the following in a shell window

sudo apt-get install TheNameOfThePackageYouWantToInstall

however, if you have not configured your online sources ( universe and multiverse ) your choices of what to install will be limited

HTH

Aaron_GT
04-24-2007, 04:41 AM
E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
E: _cache->open() failed, please report.


Start up a console window.

Type

sudo dpkg --configure -a

And you should be fine. You might have to answer yes/no for some questions on packages to be installed (e.g. the Sun java packages require you answer yes/no to the licence restrictions before they will install).

It probably means something stopped the package manager when it was working (like forcibly quitting the synaptic window). Looking at the error message suggests that the cache (it's in /var/cache/apt) was problematic for some reason. When you install packages it downloads copies of the install files into /var/cache/apt so if you need to reinstall a package, and old version for example, it doesn't need to download them from the internet every time. If you get short of disk space you can flush the cache (at the expense of more download time next time you want to reinstall a piece of software).

There are some occasions when software fails to install and every time you install some more it grumbles about the old stuff. This is especially true with packages that use a database back end (e.g. MythTV, some backup tools) and you don't enter the right passwords to access your database server. (The same would happen on Windows too). It's a case of fixing the passwords or putting up with the annoyance of the warnings.

Pirschjaeger
04-24-2007, 08:08 AM
Ha ha ha, too easy. Thanks Aaron. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It took about 30 secs to fix. Not only is everything back to normal but in syn man everything was back to default. Was that an automatic revert?

Now, if only XP were this friendly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-24-2007, 08:11 AM
XF, is there a difference between terminal, console, and shell?

If there's no difference, is linux lingo loaded with synonyms?

F16_Neo
04-24-2007, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Too far, too fast.
I WILL dualboot, dammit! Just cant understand why I would need an special bootloader, can't I just use my bios' bootlist-hotkey...
I guess I *could* have made a simpler install on my old PC, but I only learn by making mistakes, and then trying to solve them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I might give those forums a glance tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-24-2007, 10:01 AM
I threw a bunch of old hardware together and made a pc for my wife. P3 633 MHz, 348mb ram, FX5000 V-card. It's as powerful as any mobile phone. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Then I installed Ubuntu 6.06 on it. Just to give you an idea of how much she knows about pcs, she didn't realize it wasn't Windows. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It seems she thought is was a theme or something. Her pc works perfectly. I installed AX2 and loaded it up with games and office apps. Now she's on the computer as much as I am. I explained it was a different OS and asked if she wanted XP. She said "no".

She's Chinese so she is always surfing Chinese websites which usually mean worms, viruses, popups, and chopsticks jamming the HDD with XP. Now, no problems. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

triad773
04-24-2007, 10:07 AM
Great thread. I have Ubuntu 6.01 running on a 900 mhz Athlon in the basement. Currently I run it as a Ventrillo Server for my LAN.

I had been watching in fascination those who have endeavored to run IL-2 on Linux. I don't have enough time to tinker to make WINE run all the stuff yet - wish I did. Imagine I will likely wait a little more.

Buying a new WinDohs rig nowadays will get you (Hasta La) Veesta (Vista) with no XP choice. Honestly- I think Veesta could have spent (even) more time in Beta. The rig I got my wife about a month ago only offered Veesta- she uses Corel Word Perfect for her job- so until I get an idea how to run that on Ubuntu (under WINE) she's stuck with (Hasta La) Vista.

~S~ to all those who are blazing a trail the rest of us may very well prefer it to Vista.

Cheers

Triad

Pirschjaeger
04-24-2007, 10:32 AM
I tried XP 64 Edition. In fact, it is the reason I decided to pursue Linux. With 64 I had problems installing manufacturer 64bit software. To add to the headaches I found there was very little software available. I did a google search to find out what I could and an article on an MS site claimed 10,000 software programs available. That sounds good but when you consider it you'll realize it's very little.

I would imagine that software for Vista is the same as for 64 Edition. If this is the case then MS has a lot of work to do before Vista is out.

I think in the next few years you'll see much more Linux users. It just makes sense. It's free and it works great. In addition, there's tonnes of free software and applications. I'm on a Linux crusade for the purpose of creating more demand for gaming software development and forcing hardware manufacturers to comply. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

notamuppet
04-24-2007, 02:42 PM
This is fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I now have kubuntu running and am in the process of getting my apps set up. I havnt installed the Nvidia driver yet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif I think that the Adapt Installer is a great idea and there is a lot of stuff available. The universe/multiverse set up reminds me of Aminet for the Amiga. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

MarkSynthesis
04-24-2007, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I work in IT and I greatly admire what you guys are doing...but I'm with AFJ on this one. I agree that MS is evil...but I sure like buying a piece of software, installing it, and having it work. I like having easily available drivers for all my accessories, and a network full of workstations and servers that hum right along 90+% of the time. The key to getting stability at home and work with MS products had more to do with locking down what users can and cannot do than anything on the software side.

But like I said, I admire your efforts. My neighbor built his own motorcycle, I bought mine from the dealership. His is a jeweled piece of work, but he works more than rides - but probably has more pride and enjoyment riding something he built himself. I think the same situation can occur with some OS's.

Long overdue, but a fantastic metaphor. I play games--otherwise, I wouldn't be at this forum. I pay for games, so I'm going to be spending money anyway. And all I want for them is to run...old or new. If I had more time to invest, perhaps...but I think we all wish we had more time.

Microsoft, I suppose, is just another corporation. Games are made by corporations too, so there's no escape from it--with the exceptions of mods (like Red Orchestra pre-Combined Arms, which, if memory serves, didn't work very well with Linux...).

AWL_Spinner
04-25-2007, 02:42 AM
Thread on a similar line over on PPRuNe (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=272764) at the mo, I'm downloading Mepis 6.5 for a looksee at present. Concensus seems to be Ubuntu and Mepis are good for beginners.

It's a shame I'm soon going to need a Windows box for VB.net development http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

bazzaah2
04-25-2007, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by MarkSynthesis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I work in IT and I greatly admire what you guys are doing...but I'm with AFJ on this one. I agree that MS is evil...but I sure like buying a piece of software, installing it, and having it work. I like having easily available drivers for all my accessories, and a network full of workstations and servers that hum right along 90+% of the time. The key to getting stability at home and work with MS products had more to do with locking down what users can and cannot do than anything on the software side.

But like I said, I admire your efforts. My neighbor built his own motorcycle, I bought mine from the dealership. His is a jeweled piece of work, but he works more than rides - but probably has more pride and enjoyment riding something he built himself. I think the same situation can occur with some OS's.

Long overdue, but a fantastic metaphor. I play games--otherwise, I wouldn't be at this forum. I pay for games, so I'm going to be spending money anyway. And all I want for them is to run...old or new. If I had more time to invest, perhaps...but I think we all wish we had more time.

Microsoft, I suppose, is just another corporation. Games are made by corporations too, so there's no escape from it--with the exceptions of mods (like Red Orchestra pre-Combined Arms, which, if memory serves, didn't work very well with Linux...). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know where you're coming from on the gaming side but honestly I have spent more time tweaking XP than I ever will Ubuntu, whether it's learning about XP processes and services so I know which ones to switch off, sweeping for viruses, fixing broken Windows installer and so on. I don't have to do any of that with Ubuntu - though I dare say I could - and it still runs better than my XP install.

drapis
04-25-2007, 08:16 AM
So, did anyone actually get Il-2 running on Ubuntu, and if yes, were there any glitches? I don't really have the time to try it now, but I'd like to know how difficult it is ...

I know a fair bit about Linux, but never used wine in my life... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MarkSynthesis
04-25-2007, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarkSynthesis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I work in IT and I greatly admire what you guys are doing...but I'm with AFJ on this one. I agree that MS is evil...but I sure like buying a piece of software, installing it, and having it work. I like having easily available drivers for all my accessories, and a network full of workstations and servers that hum right along 90+% of the time. The key to getting stability at home and work with MS products had more to do with locking down what users can and cannot do than anything on the software side.

But like I said, I admire your efforts. My neighbor built his own motorcycle, I bought mine from the dealership. His is a jeweled piece of work, but he works more than rides - but probably has more pride and enjoyment riding something he built himself. I think the same situation can occur with some OS's.

Long overdue, but a fantastic metaphor. I play games--otherwise, I wouldn't be at this forum. I pay for games, so I'm going to be spending money anyway. And all I want for them is to run...old or new. If I had more time to invest, perhaps...but I think we all wish we had more time.

Microsoft, I suppose, is just another corporation. Games are made by corporations too, so there's no escape from it--with the exceptions of mods (like Red Orchestra pre-Combined Arms, which, if memory serves, didn't work very well with Linux...). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know where you're coming from on the gaming side but honestly I have spent more time tweaking XP than I ever will Ubuntu, whether it's learning about XP processes and services so I know which ones to switch off, sweeping for viruses, fixing broken Windows installer and so on. I don't have to do any of that with Ubuntu - though I dare say I could - and it still runs better than my XP install. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My last experience on the subject was from Unix, which led me deeply frustrated (sort of like "Damn it, who the hell thought up these commands!"). That's hardly the same thing as Ubuntu, of course.

But the fact remains, I don't have those problems with XP. I don't have virus problems (thanks to avast! and just being careful anyway), and I can't recall the last time I got the ol' BSOD (though I do get weird startups on occasion, that's because of all the applications I run anyway).

I don't deny that Ubuntu, but for me--well, XP just works (I'm lucky in this respect). Cleaning up the registry, getting Crusader: No Remorse and Tyrian 2k to run, being able to stream AVI and MP3s to my 360...I wouldn't have these same abilities on a Linux based system (at the moment, anyway). There are certain advantages to Ubuntu, but for my circumstances, they don't presently outweigh the advantages of staying with XP.

That, and I'm bogged down in the middle of examinations, so it's probably a bad time anyway, heh.

Ugly_Kid
04-25-2007, 03:04 PM
Did someone say that everybody better install Ubuntu ASAP or the rabbit will be shot?

drapis, yes, no - mine is just as playable as on windows, maybe a bit better on performance but I am lucky, I suppose. I worked bit by bit over a longer time just for the sake of it - I don't play it that much anymore. I had a benefit of getting x-plane and targetware on linux which eased configuration of peripherals (mainly sticks) on native applications. I do nowadays so much other stuff on my computer that my preference of OS is hardly about gaming.

IMO an existing linux version is a sales argument. It is a reason why I have x-plane (and not FSX). It is a reason why I lean towards silent wings instead of condor (that I actually have but I don't bother booting to windows merely because of it). I had a time when I had shared FAT32 partition that I could share my thunderbird mailbox and firefox bookmarks and stuff between the two OSs but I gave it up and now windows has only few games and that's that...

M_Gunz
04-25-2007, 05:51 PM
I wonder if I can get my old DX7 and DX8 games to run on it?

Pirschjaeger
04-26-2007, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
Did someone say that everybody better install Ubuntu ASAP or the rabbit will be shot?



Oh no! Not the rabbit! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Actually, if you have a decent pc why bother doing a complete install if you're not familiar with it? You can run Ubuntu right from the cd and play with it until you have enough confidence to go further. When you want to use Windows just reboot and remove the Linux cd. Your pc will start up in Windows as if Linux had never been there.

Don't worry, the rabbit's safe. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stanford-ukded
04-26-2007, 02:22 AM
Now that is interesting - so I don't need to format my PC and re-partition it to test Ubuntu - booting from the CD won't install/change anything at all?

AWL_Spinner
04-26-2007, 02:34 AM
so I don't need to format my PC and re-partition it to test Ubuntu - booting from the CD won't install/change anything at all?

Correct.

Just download the ISO image from the Ubuntu site, burn it to a CD and boot from it.

Unless you actually tell it to install, it doesn't touch your Windows installation and just runs from the CD.

Of course, running an OS from CD is slooooow but you can get an idea of how it works!

stanford-ukded
04-26-2007, 02:49 AM
Fantastic - what version do I want. I have dual core AMD64 processors

AWL_Spinner
04-26-2007, 03:19 AM
At a guess, from here (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download), you'd want the Ubuntu 7.04 desktop edition selected along with "64 bit AMD and Intel computers".

But I'm not an expert http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-26-2007, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">so I don't need to format my PC and re-partition it to test Ubuntu - booting from the CD won't install/change anything at all?

Correct.

Just download the ISO image from the Ubuntu site, burn it to a CD and boot from it.

Unless you actually tell it to install, it doesn't touch your Windows installation and just runs from the CD.

Of course, running an OS from CD is slooooow but you can get an idea of how it works! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I started this thread the other day to detail how easy it is.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9621051355

You can start using Ubuntu in about 5 mins. It doesn't get much easier.

Werre_Fsck
04-26-2007, 08:03 AM
To those with wireless problems: the 7.04 ubu (flirty fapper or something) has new WLAN config tools. Configuring them now is similar to a Mac.

There's even a menu entry for restricted drivers in case you need those - just select it, and it scans your hardware and tells whether you need proprietary closed **** drivers, and lets you easily install them.

- Linux user since 1994 (but running XP on gaming puter).

Pirschjaeger
04-27-2007, 03:51 AM
Would someone mind writing, in noob terminology, how to install XP and Linux on the same drive?

From what I've heard, you have to install XP first. Is this correct?

If so, how many partitions would one need?

If I had two HDDs would I install both OSs on the master drive?

M_Gunz
04-27-2007, 06:52 AM
Pirsch, you mention noob and partition in the same sentence... do noobs partition or do they
just get their PC's set with one partition per drive?

As for two drives, when you can set which device is the boot right in the BIOS.....

Pirschjaeger
04-27-2007, 07:19 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I can partition with MS OSs and also in Dos but the linux lingo is still a bit confusing,....you know, things like a "swap" partition.

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 07:33 AM
Windows uses swap, just from a file the 'page file'. In theory you can use swap files in Linux, but it is more efficient to use a partition where Linux can 'do its thing' with regard to swap.

Swap/pagefiles are for when the machine runs out of RAM and saves (pages out) some of the stuff in RAM to disk. It's better than having your machine crash, but it slows the machine down if it has to do that. Hence Vista allows you to use flash memory for it now (which is faster than disk). You could do the same with Linux if you really wanted.

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 07:35 AM
Would someone mind writing, in noob terminology, how to install XP and Linux on the same drive?

Best to put XP on first. Most Linux installers know about XP and will set up the boot process to give you the choice of operating systems. XP doesn't like to think about Linux or being nice to it. In theory you can put Windows on second and fix up the loader, but it's easier to let the Linux installers take the strain.

Pirschjaeger
04-27-2007, 07:42 AM
Is the page file settings found in XP IE/settings? There's something in there I set at 80mb. Is this it?

Sorry I can't use the proper terminalogy. I learnt by doing.

So, if I installed XP first then Linux, when installing, could automatically select the right partition without affecting the XP installation?

arjisme
04-27-2007, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Is the page file settings found in XP IE/settings? No. It may depend on your version of XP (i.e. XP Home or XP Professional -- not sure), but on my XP Pro system, right click My Computer and select Properties. Click Advanced tab. Under Performance, click the Settings button. Performance Options dialog appears. Click the Advanced tab. Under Virtual Memory, click the Change button. Virtual Memory dialog appears. Usually this is set to System Managed, but you have options here to change the paging as you like.

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 08:13 AM
So, if I installed XP first then Linux, when installing, could automatically select the right partition without affecting the XP installation?

If you select the right options. It depends on the installer for a distribution to some extent what you have to click. I.e. don't click the 'take over the whole drive' option!

You may be able to resize windows partitions in the installer to make space for Linux, or not, depending on the installer. One option is to use a tool like PartitionMagic to make space so you know you've got it right.

I'd recommend 3 partitions for Linux:

1. Swap (the same size as your RAM is now a good rule of thumb)
2. The main partition (this mounts on /)
3. A separate partition for your main user (/home/myusername).

You always need the first two, but the third is handy as then you can reformat the first two partitions if you want to use a different version of Linux and your files in /home/myusername are still safe.

As an extra tip a second harddrive can be handy (e.g. a USB one) as you can then use various tools to do things like direct backup of partitions, files, etc.

M_Gunz
04-27-2007, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Hence Vista allows you to use flash memory for it now (which is faster than disk). You could do the same with Linux if you really wanted.

Flash memory with the appx 10,000 writes to any location and it's used up? I wonder what happens
then, do you get an error message or just mysterious glitches to blame on something else? Yeah,
I can see a whole lot of hardware being sold over that one!

Does that faster count the USB sticks?

Philipscdrw
04-27-2007, 09:33 AM
Every now and then I think about installing Linux. But there's a few reasons why I never get beyond thinking about it:

a) I'd need to buy a new HDD - this one's almost full
b) I'd need to keep XP anyway
c) XP works fine - this PC has seen 2.5 years of continuous service without any major problems!
d) I don't have the time to learn a new OS
e) I don't spend much money on new software

So the amount of hassle it would take, just for a different way to do Office tasks and browse the net, makes it unworthwhile at the moment.

Dance
04-27-2007, 09:42 AM
Can I add one more question, if I missed the answer earlier my apologies.

About dual-booting on an NTFS drive,is it possible?

Am currently saving for a couple SATA drives, but atm only have one PATA (80 gig) attached.

I just want to experiment with the desktop features, not for gaming.

Dance
04-27-2007, 09:43 AM
BTW I understand you can run it off the CD, but I actually want it running natively.

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 11:48 AM
Flash memory with the appx 10,000 writes to any location and it's used up? I wonder what happens
then, do you get an error message or just mysterious glitches to blame on something else? Yeah,
I can see a whole lot of hardware being sold over that one!

It might be a few more writes than this. I would hope so else the One Laptop Per Child project and the new Dell Laptops are screwed as they use flash memory rather than hard disks!

You'd need a fast flash stick to make it usable for swap/page files I bet, but then disk is pretty slow too.

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 11:52 AM
About dual-booting on an NTFS drive,is it possible?

Normally Linux would be running in its own partition (typically the type would be an ext3 partition these days). The Linux bootloader would get put at the beginning of the main disk and then would either boot Linux (off its ext3 partition) or Windows off its NTFS partition.

It is possible for some distributions to be installed as a set of files on an NTFS partition. CoLinux (www.colinux.org) is an example of a framework for doing this. It's not a totally trivial task to get the actual Linux installed within it. Neither is it hard if you are ok with IT. I've done it a few times. It's closer to a full install than vmware and doesn;t rely on slow CD/DVD like a live version, but don't expect accelerated graphics and so on.

HansKnappstick
04-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Every now and then I think about installing Linux. But there's a few reasons why I never get beyond thinking about it:

a) I'd need to buy a new HDD - this one's almost full
b) I'd need to keep XP anyway
c) XP works fine - this PC has seen 2.5 years of continuous service without any major problems!
d) I don't have the time to learn a new OS
e) I don't spend much money on new software

So the amount of hassle it would take, just for a different way to do Office tasks and browse the net, makes it unworthwhile at the moment.

a) Linux is very easy on ressources. Perhaps you can throw something away.
b) Why? Once people figure out how to play Il2 and R:TW under Linux, I am done with windoze.
c) true.
d) It's easy.
e) It's 10 times cheaper than Hasta-la-vista . In fact, you can download it for free if you don't care for support.

Dance
04-27-2007, 01:53 PM
Thanks Aaron, will dig out 'partition magic' and have a play around.

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 03:24 PM
If you don't have partition magic try BootItNG (google is your friend here). It allows you to back up partitions as well. As always, back up important data and verify it (and back it up again!) before messing around with partition tools!

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 03:26 PM
OT:

I just tried out looking glass from Sun which runs on Linux, Solaris, and Windows. It runs like a dog as I don't seem to have all the required GL versions and composite extentions running on my ATI card, but an interesting GUI - lots of eye candy. I'll have a look too on Windows (might get better ATI performance there).

Sjeler
04-27-2007, 04:39 PM
The best way to partition disk for Ubuntu is to resize current partition and leave free space. Ubuntu installer will take care of rest, just click on "Use largest continious free space"

M_Gunz
04-27-2007, 04:48 PM
Aaron: depending on the device, 10,000 to 1,000,000 erases before becoming statistically
unreliable (hardware mystery glitch source -- I will stick with load the file, check the file
thank you!).

Wiki on wear levelling strategy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_levelling)

Dance
04-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Cheers Sjeler, that sounds the easiest option actualy, I'll go to bed leave partition magic to resize my drive and leave some space for Ubuntu.

Aaron_GT
04-28-2007, 01:54 AM
Gunz - that's what I thought - new devices (except the bargain end of course) are on a million read/writes.

LStarosta
04-28-2007, 02:29 PM
Can someone give me a newb's guide to partitioning my hard drive for Ubuntu. I am using Vista and I read that you shouldn't use Ubuntu's installation to make the partitions. I've never partitioned anything before, so don't assume I know anything.

I want to be able to dual-boot Vista and Ubuntu.

Aaron_GT
04-28-2007, 03:43 PM
I personally use BootItNG rather than Linux installers for partitioning as then it is the same tool each time rather than a different thing for each Linux distribution.

Download BootItNG from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

It's much like PartitionMagic, but it is shareware.

Make space for 3 partitions (there should be options in BootItNG for each type).

1. Swap (about the size of your RAM is enough).
2. Space for the Ubuntu installation. If you put aside 10GB that's more than enough for the installation and all sorts of extra tools. I've got a 20GB partition, and with the addition of KDE, XFCE, Looking glass, and all sorts of other tools it's only 1/3 full.
3. Space for user files so if you want to reinstall Linux you won't have to wipe your bookmarks and suchlike.

LStarosta
04-28-2007, 05:25 PM
Okay I'm making the partitions but I don't see the ext3 file system in any of the dropdown menus.

Likewise there is no "swap" but "AST Swap" and "Linux Swap". I assume it's Linux Swap, but what about ext3? Extended is the ext file system, but I read that I need ext3. So, what do I do here?

Aaron_GT
04-28-2007, 05:29 PM
It might be down as just 'linux' or you can just create a blank partition and then when you go into the ubuntu installer just pick the blank space and telll the installer to format it as ext3.

LStarosta
04-28-2007, 05:32 PM
Oh okay! Much thanks for the help!

LStarosta
04-28-2007, 07:59 PM
Okay, I installed it and I am not at all impressed.

Trying to get anything to work on this is a f*cking headache. I spent an hour trying to get sound to work, and still nothing. Unless I'm totally missing something, I'm going back to Windows. At least I don't have to spend undue amounts of time trying to get basic necessities to work in Windows.

Aaron_GT
04-29-2007, 02:18 AM
That's unusual. Works right out the box for me, so you might just be unlucky or have unusual audio hardware.

Ugly_Kid
04-29-2007, 04:06 AM
Aw cr@p hybris is followed by nemesis. I went and pushed the wrong button apparently. I pressed the upgrade button and shafted my computer to fisty fakker or whatever. Well it's not that bad except it has hosed saitek drivers, where it was working well it now shows only 16 buttons and some overlapping - completely useless.

Well daddy learnt once more never change running system lession. Well on the bright side I now bought a new harddrive and I'll install edgy again, keep feisty and put a gentoo up once I have time compiling. Let's see what happens...

WWSensei
04-29-2007, 05:00 AM
LStarosta,

I have the exact opposite problem. In Windows the onboard sound won't work but in Ubuntu it works flawlessly. Oddly enough as well it sees my shared printer and worked fine and this same box, for some reason under XP, won't see my home network neighborhood. I did the upgrade to 7.0.4 and that went off pretty painlessly. I am doing this on older hardware (An old NForce2 board with an AMD 1600 in it. Standard AC97 sound on board and a gig of 2100 memory.)

The one area I did have trouble with motivated me to fix another problem I've been having. This Ubuntu box is in my daughter's room down the hall from my wireless router. It's also where I house my Tivo (since the daughter's off at college I'm slowly taking over her room for all my geeky toys). Well, Tivo's don't work well over wireless unless you buy their overpriced TV wireless card so I really needed a wire down there. Ubuntu claimed it recognized my wireless USB card but it just wouldn't work. It was an old 802.11b card though. Anyhow, found a workaround that involved no Linux knowledge.

So, I cheated--sort of. I know my current router supports WDS. Went to the store and bought a cheap $30 Buffalo router with a 4 port 10/100 switch that also supports WDS. Setup the two wireless routers via WDS and the encryption so that I have a wireless bridge. Plugged the Tivo and the Ubuntu box into the Buffalo (with it's $10 NIC 10/100 card I bought ages ago) and things were golden and I still have two more ports to spare (going to move my Slingbox there next).

Added brownie points for the daughter's bedroom being right over our living room. My wife's favorite perch is on the sofa with her laptop connected via wireless. With the new router now sitting in the room directly above her the signal is boosted and she's a happy camper.

Now, as soon as I get MythTV working on that box I will have completed my weekend of geekness.

LStarosta
04-29-2007, 09:18 AM
Just wondering. With Apple's switch to Intel processors, can I install OS X on my Windows Laptop and dual boot?

Aaron_GT
04-29-2007, 09:54 AM
You can install Windows and Linux on your Mac, but without hacks of dubious legality running OSX on your laptop isn't possible. The nearest you can get legally is to get Darwin (the BSD UNIX core of OSX, which is free from Apple) and install that and then put the standard desktop tools on top. It will end up looking much like Linux.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_BSD

If you are really adventerous you can even use OpenSolaris for Intel.

With Darwin and Solaris partitioning your disk gets more adventerous. They are both solid OSes, and in some ways technically better than Linux, it is just that drivers and tools are more available from easy-to-use binary repositories. The basic stuff is there for Darwin and Solaris, but you might end up compiling stuff too.

If you want to play you can install vmware player and probably find some vmware images to download, provided you have good broadband (the images will not be small).

Ugly_Kid
04-29-2007, 10:29 AM
Ok now one experience richer, one fisty fakker poorer, one bottle of red wine less, one edgy eft reinstalled and staying - I can state IL-2 runs rock solid on Ubuntu (if you know what the f... you're doing).

Now were is the corkscrew it is time to open next bottle and get that Gentoo disk here daddy's got some compiling waiting...

Ugly_Kid
04-29-2007, 10:48 AM
Hesus with the latest wine .deb most of the graphic corruption from lobby's gone west - now the stuff really starts kicking bum.

arjisme
04-29-2007, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
I spent an hour trying to get sound to work, and still nothing. What sound sound card do you use?

drapis
04-29-2007, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
Ok now one experience richer, one fisty fakker poorer, one bottle of red wine less,...

Hey, I tried to experiment with WINE myself, downloaded latest package and all, not much time I could devote to that though, but I didn't know that I had to use it in bottles, never mind the red color http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Pirschjaeger
04-29-2007, 08:07 PM
The only real problem I've had up to now is sound card related. Everything works fine with exception to my mic. When I boot my pc and open Skype the mic works for just a few minutes then stops working.

My card is an Audigy SE 7.1.

Any ideas?

Pirschjaeger
04-29-2007, 08:45 PM
I just put my soundcard back in and the same problem exists; the mic doesn't work. I used Skype test call. When I use the onboard sound it works fine.

adlabs6
04-29-2007, 10:19 PM
Heh! Pretty cool that IL2 runs under wine, I'll have to try that.

BTW over the last month I've started playing with Ubuntu, started wtih the LiveCD and was impressed, then I installed VMWare in WinXP with which I created an Ubuntu 6.10 virutal machine for better testing.

Well from there I was hooked and used the LiveCD to totally destroy my WinME install on my second machine, and did a nice fresh 6.10 install. It's a great OS, I'm liking it alot.

Interesting bit: I had a DVD containing the LiveCD ISO, and my backup machine only has a CD burner. So I needed to copy the ISO off the disk, then reburn it on a CD. Well of course WinXP was completely unable to do this so far as I could find, unless I installed some third party apps.

Solution: Start up my VMWare Ubuntu inside WinXP, and insert the DVD. Sure enough I have the immediate option to rip the inserted disc as an ISO. Then I put a blank CD-RW into the drive, right clicked the newly ripped ISO file, and burned. All from inside VMWare, and only 4 mouse clicks. Pretty nice.

arjisme
04-30-2007, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
The only real problem I've had up to now is sound card related. Yeah, that's my main issue as well. After researching a bit it looks like a good choice for sound card under Linux is the M-Audio Revolution 5.1 (or 7.1). However, it apparently does rely on the CPU for some sound processing (not all), so it is not ideal for a gaming choice. Also, it looks like the Audigy 2 will work in Linux. See here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

Pirschjaeger
05-01-2007, 02:20 AM
Hi Ar****e,

I've already seen that site and many others. I've yet to find anyone with the exact same problem as I have. This tells me that it's something I'm doing wrong and maybe even just a setting adjustment. I did have it working right at one point but when I reinstalled up to 7.04 I ended up with the same problem again.

It's nice that there are so many sites available but I really wish they'd include noob lingo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I also have to admit I haven't taken the time to study linux yet.

Ugly_Kid
05-01-2007, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by drapis:
but I didn't know that I had to use it in bottles, never mind the red color http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Bad habit I picked up when installing gentoo for the first times. You just have to do something when the compiling flashes on terminal. However the most stupid thing is if you do much of it and after compiling you update configuration files or do something - you have a helluva mess to sort out on next day trying to figure out in which file the drunken sod again did his dirty deed.

About feisty - it works fine for me otherwise but obviously joystick module got screwed - tried to downgrade my kernel with little success so I am back to using edgy until a new kernel appears (should be a matter of month I reckon) for feisty and I'll make sure first that it really works for my sticks.

Have also had issues this or that version wine but the latest is 0.9.36 a real hoot. Almost got condor soaring running on it - almost - so the circle is closing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
05-01-2007, 10:12 AM
Another question;

I have a 40Gb USB drive. It was formatted with XP and the files were put on it with XP. I want to use Linux to delete and format the drive but I get a message saying I don't have permission and that it's read only.

How do I get passed that?

DmdSeeker
05-01-2007, 10:26 AM
Dood! You're getting a Dell!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6610901.stm

drapis
05-01-2007, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Another question;

I have a 40Gb USB drive. It was formatted with XP and the files were put on it with XP. I want to use Linux to delete and format the drive but I get a message saying I don't have permission and that it's read only.

How do I get passed that?

The problem is that Ubuntu mounts NTFS partitions/disks automatically as read only. My first guess would be to try partition tool and just delete the NTFS partition and create new one using Linux filesystem (ext3 most likely)
I'm not using Ubuntu right now, so I'm not sure if it's possible to do this if you don't have write permission for NTFS partition.

Or, you can mount this partition as writable, then you shouldn't have any problems

More info: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ubun...ra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ubuntu+ntfs+partition+writable&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

Cheers

drapis
05-01-2007, 10:38 AM
Oh, and the easiest way to mount NTFS partitons as writable can be seen here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/widows-ntfs-partitions-readwr...n-ubuntu-feisty.html (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/widows-ntfs-partitions-readwrite-support-made-easy-in-ubuntu-feisty.html)

Ugly_Kid
05-01-2007, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Another question;

I have a 40Gb USB drive. It was formatted with XP and the files were put on it with XP. I want to use Linux to delete and format the drive but I get a message saying I don't have permission and that it's read only.

How do I get passed that?

sudo umount /dev/sda?? or /dev/had?? and then you can format that with command ... for example mke2fs /dev/had?? - you can't format a mounted partition...

Funny thing with ubuntu is that you can't sometimes umount the partitions from a running system - for example I could not umount /boot - it says it is in use...or /home so I dunno but I certainly would assume that you can umount a windows drive - otherwise you can uncomment that particular drive from /etc/fstab and uncomment it and in the next boot it won't be mounted - then just go ahead and nuke windblows

Aaron_GT
05-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Unixlike systems don't let you unmount something that might be in use, like /boot or /home. Windows isn't quite so picky at times.

Ugly_Kid
05-01-2007, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Unixlike systems don't let you unmount something that might be in use, like /boot or /home. Windows isn't quite so picky at times.

Well gentoo, for example, allows you to unmount the said partitions. They are "not in use" if you don't have a terminal open and you are not in that directory just at that moment. /boot is not in use once the system runs.

Aaron_GT
05-01-2007, 12:27 PM
It might be the location of files in use between the two and/or Ubuntu's way of making you log in as a non-root user. lsof will reveal all.

lsof for doesn't give any results on my system for /boot. I'd have to log out to check lsof on my home directory. I don't have a separate /boot partition to check unmounting it.

Pirschjaeger
05-01-2007, 09:35 PM
I guess it's time I look at the manual. I can't understand what you guys are telling me, especially when it comes to partitions and drives. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Since the shortage of available tinfoil Bill Gates has been controlling my mind. Currently I'm limited to MS English. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Aaron_GT
05-02-2007, 02:20 AM
Well, back to a joystick problem with 7.04...

jscalibrator works (and I discovered how to set up the hat switch too).

But in IL2 under wine full deflection of the joystick barely moves the joystick in IL2's stick adjustment page. It's not enough to move the control surfaces if you fly a mission. The buttons work, though!

I've not found the solution to this one as yet.