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Buzzsaw-
05-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Salute all

Oleg speaks on SimHQ.

In detail and specific.

What he says confirms what those who have been following the development of SoW already know.

This will be a huge leap forward in Flight Simulations, and with its photorealistic graphics, and physics engine second to none, it will be a huge success.

http://www.simhq.com/index.html

danjama
05-18-2009, 09:32 PM
Glad i stayed up until 4.30am now, i'll be one of the first people in England to see this!

Awesome pics of the Spit/109/Welli internals.

"Doug: What do you see as the most effective way to counter piracy?

Oleg: Honest and well-meaning players. Players who realize that game development is very expensive. And of course, I fully realize we don’t live in a perfect world."

bless him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

crucislancer
05-18-2009, 10:31 PM
Buzzsaw, thanks for posting this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Now that was a very interesting interview, and I'm quite happy with where it's all going. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bearcat99
05-18-2009, 10:49 PM
I just got in from work... this is a pleasant surprise..

VW-IceFire
05-18-2009, 10:50 PM
Interesting!

X32Wright
05-18-2009, 11:09 PM
so finally the secret is out!!!

'Two Weeks'=Two Years

Skoshi Tiger
05-18-2009, 11:14 PM
Hey He said that by October 2010 thousands would be playing on line. Thats only 1 year 5 months, Touch wood http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Bearcat99
05-18-2009, 11:21 PM
A great interview.. I am now even more convincesd that SoW will be to the IL2 series.. what IL2 has been to the rest of the sim genre..

knightflyte
05-18-2009, 11:35 PM
I've always been impressed with many of the 'third party add on' pictures posted by fans of MSFS in this forum. It would be great to see what they can incorporate into the BoB world.

For example, maybe Oleg doesn't want to include clickable cockpits, but I've see some beauts in the MSFS Looks so Good topic. For those that like them (and with Black Shark I'm beginning to see the light) this could be a very good addition by third parties.

This could be a big boon for our hobby in relation to 1C/BoB and WW2 simming. The way Oleg's talking this could be one of the best engines for combat flight sims ever.

I look forward to hearing which modders Oleg was refering to in the interview.

K_Freddie
05-18-2009, 11:35 PM
Maybe I'm blind... Is there a direct link to the interview ?
The latest stuff I see is 2008
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

knightflyte
05-18-2009, 11:37 PM
http://www.simhq.com/


On the bottom edge of the FIRST picture is a small link (should the picture not display the Oleg link)

slipBall
05-18-2009, 11:44 PM
Or maybe this one


http://www.simhq.com/_air11/air_341a.html

knightflyte
05-18-2009, 11:53 PM
That'll work too.

neural_dream
05-19-2009, 12:00 AM
Impressed!

mortoma
05-19-2009, 12:07 AM
Good to hear the sim is still on track! Maybe I am getting my i7 965 Insane edition processor and that new Asus PT6 Deluxe at the right time for a change?

slipBall
05-19-2009, 12:09 AM
I'd love to see the plane list, 17 aircraft is a nice surprise

Waldo.Pepper
05-19-2009, 01:34 AM
Glad to see the He-59 made it in (in some form.)

I wanted flyable Walrus and He-59 some time ago so fingers crossed on the flyable aspect.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...511052254#6511052254 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3561021254?r=6511052254#6511052254)

b2spirita
05-19-2009, 02:25 AM
Well, 80% done. Excellent.

ploughman
05-19-2009, 03:00 AM
Good to hear the main content is DONE. One way or another we'll be getting SoW which is wonderful news. Bored to tears of seeing that friggin' Stuka again, how many times have they wheeled that baby out for updates?

stiboo2
05-19-2009, 03:56 AM
Just woken up and seen this, do not know what to think...

Sept/Oct 2010 seems a long long way away..

80% done and still no ingame screen shots..

Why don't these interviewers ever ask the right questions? ie- what new tools will mission builders have, how many airfields..what scale is the map, and will we be able to fly from 1 map onto another..how about an official website..how will ground RDF work..who's going to do the British accents!...how are the Americans going to cope without a Mustang to fly?..

I guess there's no need to rush to finish all the IL2 campaigns i've got planned, in fact I guess i've only scratched at half the surface of IL2 so far, so what am I moaning about.

At least I know what i'll be getting for my birthday in Sept 2010

Ok i'm going to have my breakfast, and a nice cup of tea, and i'll post a happier message later!

toodle pip

Simon



------------------------------------------------

" Dost thou love life? Then waste not time; for time is the stuff that life is made of" -Bejamin Franklin

BillSwagger
05-19-2009, 04:43 AM
lol..that was funny.
how are the British going to cope with out the Americans??

All in good fun, it looks like a much more detailed game and from what it sounds like they probably dont want to ruin the surprise or give away too much information as this particular market or genre has only enough room for a handful of competitors.

Pyrres
05-19-2009, 04:51 AM
Is it just me or is somebody else also thinking about what supercomputer we need just to run that beast. I mean that looks so damn impressive, I just hope I have the money to buy a new computer when it comes out.

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 05:05 AM
Nobody seems to have caught this statement by Oleg..

"Oleg: I found some people to help us with Storm of War: Battle of Britain in the IL-2 modding community. Soon, everyone will know their names."

Now I know why some mods are so good.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Pyrres:
Is it just me or is somebody else also thinking about what supercomputer we need just to run that beast. I mean that looks so damn impressive, I just hope I have the money to buy a new computer when it comes out.

No it's not just you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Bearcat99
05-19-2009, 05:41 AM
There is something coming... for IL2.. on the wind.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
There is something coming... for IL2.. on the wind.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

stop torturing us... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

vpmedia
05-19-2009, 06:22 AM
good interview, I'm sure SoW will be great with all the built-in 3rd party support

Feathered_IV
05-19-2009, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
There is something coming... for IL2.. on the wind.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

You worked it out too? The penny hasn't dropped for most people yet.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Von_Rat
05-19-2009, 08:09 AM
of course you guys realize that in 2 months the usual suspects will be back, swearing that BOB is vaporware.

crucislancer
05-19-2009, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Von_Rat:
of course you guys realize that in 2 months the usual suspects will be back, swearing that BOB is vaporware.

I actually thought they would have been here already, telling us how it's all a lie and 2010 will come and go without a release.

I'm perfectly happy to wait until 2010. This game will not be DNF.

FlatSpinMan
05-19-2009, 08:30 AM
I read the interview and found myself thinking "This guy thinks like us!"
I liked reading his views on the modders, RoF's development model and most of all the fact that he said BOB is 80% finished.
Someone will come along and ruin our little celebration but I'm happy. The date may slide, lord knows it has already, but hat the hell. I have Il2 Modded and probably Rise of flight to keep my occupied in my 4 minutes of free time a day. Even if I did have time to play now, my PC would crap itself trying to load the autoinstaller of BOB, by the looks of it.

Huzzah!

Mr_Zooly
05-19-2009, 09:02 AM
I would have liked to know the PC that will be required too but never mind I guess that will come soon. I think I get the Wind clue (maybe giving something a whirl sometime soon?).

wheelsup_cavu
05-19-2009, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
There is something coming... for IL2.. on the wind.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

You worked it out too? The penny hasn't dropped for most people yet.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And I'm one of them ???
I read the interview and have no clue where Bearcat is taking this.
All I saw Oleg say was that no one was working on IL-2 anymore.


Originally posted by SimHQ:
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Doug:</span> More generally, will there be a guide for modding in the IL-2 series, or will the community more or less have to figure it out which files do what (assuming they already know how to modify code)?

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Oleg:</span> We are not planning any IL-2 tutorials or samples. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">No one in my team is working on the IL-2 series at all right now. If we allow ourselves to get distracted with it, we’ll never complete our current project. The entirety of my team is dedicated to Storm of War.</span> And with the new engine, you’ll be able to change anything you like that doesn’t affect protected online modes. Of course some things will remain locked forever, and we won’t make everything open source in the first place.
I hope his publisher listens to him on the DRM issue.
It was a good interview overall. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Wheelsup

M_Gunz
05-19-2009, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by crucislancer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Von_Rat:
of course you guys realize that in 2 months the usual suspects will be back, swearing that BOB is vaporware.

I actually thought they would have been here already, telling us how it's all a lie and 2010 will come and go without a release. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's only page 2 yet, have faith.

Swivet
05-19-2009, 10:24 AM
Great interview indeed. This new project is going to be awesome. I am proud to be a part of this genre and commend Oleg and his team for their efforts. This is a great sim and i will back the IL2 series to no ends. Cant wait to get behind a flak gun and shoot you poor slobs down, since my .50's cant...LOL

VV_Holdenb
05-19-2009, 10:26 AM
only 20% to go... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DuxCorvan
05-19-2009, 11:01 AM
"True flight simulators can only be made on the PC and not on consoles"

He he. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BTW, I feel much better concerning Il-2 mods. Not that he really seems to like it, but at least he seems to accept it and take the best from it.

I'm still not interested in them, but not seeing the thing with contempt.

And, well, it's reassuring about the future of Sow. After so much silence, I was really concerned about it having any.

And it's looking awesome.

Oleg be blessed. The guy seems to think the same as most of our community regarding DRM, business model, etc... Gonna be a simmer's sim.

triad773
05-19-2009, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
There is something coming... for IL2.. on the wind.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

BC- got a secret?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Vanderstok
05-19-2009, 11:20 AM
No please, let's speculate for at least 10 pages!

Perhaps it has to do with combining these two pieces of information?

"No one in my team is working on the IL-2 series at all right now."

"I found some people to help us with Storm of War: Battle of Britain in the IL-2 modding community. Soon, everyone will know their names. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif "


and.....am I close????

SeaFireLIV
05-19-2009, 11:31 AM
I`m pleased with what he says, especially about Online Activation and being online 100% of the time. Hopefully, the publishers will not be stupid enough to go over Oleg and force a 100% online play as with ROF.

Also pleased about the Dynamic Campaign. Oct 2010 is a long time, but the best things come to those who wait. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

knightflyte
05-19-2009, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
"True flight simulators can only be made on the PC and not on consoles"

He he. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BTW, I feel much better concerning Il-2 mods. Not that he really seems to like it, but at least he seems to accept it and take the best from it.

I'm still not interested in them, but not seeing the thing with contempt.


Oleg be blessed. The guy seems to think the same as most of our community regarding DRM, business model, etc... Gonna be a simmer's sim.


I'll take it a step farther. His concern was the mucking up of FAIR online play. In that case I have to give kudos to the modders and how they maintained an anti cheat attitude through out. (at least to the site we're all most familiar with)

Many a folk's concern about modding was online play and I believe the vast overwhelming majority maintained the integrity of online play to the best of their ability.

Agreed 100% about DRM. Glad Oleg sees it the same.

thefruitbat
05-19-2009, 12:27 PM
Really impressed with what he had to say http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Sept 2010 is the first date i almost belive, and should fit in just nicely with me being able to justify a graphics card upgrade http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I am really looking forward to getting this, but i suppose it with give me a year and a bit to play il2 how i always wanted it to be! Interesting to hear his views on mods/modding.

fruitbat

F0_Dark_P
05-19-2009, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Pyrres:
Is it just me or is somebody else also thinking about what supercomputer we need just to run that beast. I mean that looks so damn impressive, I just hope I have the money to buy a new computer when it comes out.

Sure you will need a fast one for the good stuff
but it all comes up to programing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I_KG100_Prien
05-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Lies. All of it.

Vaporware be sure.



(just kidding.. don't lynch)

-edit-

After reading more of the interview I think I'll take a stab at what Bearcat is hinting at. I'm probably horribly wrong but hey, nothing ventured is nothing gained..

Looks like IL2 will be able to live on through SOW with the fact that Oleg is going to allow 3rd party users to insert aircraft/objects into the game. Maybe some of the talented 3rd party guys will work on updating the 3d models of IL2's aircraft to meet the SOW standard? Maybe add in the good Ostfront maps?? Looks like a lot of possibilities are open...

DuxCorvan
05-19-2009, 02:14 PM
Prien, Il-2 models, although superb, are still nothing compared with the ultracomplex inner and external designs of the SoW standards.

I'm afraid that trying to port the Il-2 models is worse and busier than doing them from scratch.

I_KG100_Prien
05-19-2009, 02:23 PM
Dux...

To reply to part of your response... how versed are you in 3d modeling?

I'm not very versed in it at all. I'm aware of the differences in complexity between the two engines however.

Would be cool if anyone who's actually a 3d modeler could weigh in on it. Maybe use the IL2 birds as a baseline- hence the word update.

Once again, was complete conjecture on my part. It was a possibility I saw within the information given by the interview.

Any time a Developer allows 3rd party access to their software- many, many things can be opened up. After all, the 3rd party support is responsible for what's made FSX a pretty good piece of software.. (Which, aircraft/flight model wise FSX needed some help in that department).

Back on track to the origin of the thread. I enjoyed the interview. It really renewed my interest in the project and I'm looking forward to it. Can never have too many high quality flight sims.

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 02:26 PM
I'm really waiting for "SOW/Korean War" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Pyrres
05-19-2009, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pyrres:
Is it just me or is somebody else also thinking about what supercomputer we need just to run that beast. I mean that looks so damn impressive, I just hope I have the money to buy a new computer when it comes out.

Sure you will need a fast one for the good stuff
but it all comes up to programing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I sure hope that Olegs teams programing skills make up for the complexity. I know he did it once with IL2, but I mean Sow is just a nother kind of beast.

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 02:37 PM
Of course I would also settle for this.

"SOW Luftwaffe Night fighters over the Reich" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

TheFamilyMan
05-19-2009, 03:20 PM
This interview is just what everyone needs to hear. A target release date straight from the developer and light at the end of the tunnel for it's development. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

As for the raw compute/graphics power needed, there is an interesting statement about how this engine will last even longer than the IL-2 engine. I'd bet that on max settings SOW:BoB choke even the most monstrous of rigs.

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 03:56 PM
wish the divisions of the Luftwaffe were separated into their RL services. I would like to fly in the Luftwaffe recon branch over England.

The Aufklarer

slipBall
05-19-2009, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
"True flight simulators can only be made on the PC and not on consoles"

He he. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BTW, I feel much better concerning Il-2 mods. Not that he really seems to like it, but at least he seems to accept it and take the best from it.

I'm still not interested in them, but not seeing the thing with contempt.

And, well, it's reassuring about the future of Sow. After so much silence, I was really concerned about it having any.

And it's looking awesome.

Oleg be blessed. The guy seems to think the same as most of our community regarding DRM, business model, etc... Gonna be a simmer's sim.


I as well on the mod thing...nice of him to let the fox'es in to the hen house http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
"True flight simulators can only be made on the PC and not on consoles"

He he. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BTW, I feel much better concerning Il-2 mods. Not that he really seems to like it, but at least he seems to accept it and take the best from it.

I'm still not interested in them, but not seeing the thing with contempt.

And, well, it's reassuring about the future of Sow. After so much silence, I was really concerned about it having any.

And it's looking awesome.

Oleg be blessed. The guy seems to think the same as most of our community regarding DRM, business model, etc... Gonna be a simmer's sim.


I as well on the mod thing...nice of him to let the fox'es in to the hen house http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Quite the comedian when we want to be huh, buddy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
05-19-2009, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
Dux...

To reply to part of your response... how versed are you in 3d modeling?

I'm not very versed in it at all. I'm aware of the differences in complexity between the two engines however.

Would be cool if anyone who's actually a 3d modeler could weigh in on it. Maybe use the IL2 birds as a baseline- hence the word update.

AFAIK, you can do very complex models with lots of polys and then start taking them off here and there to make it be light and smooth in a limited engine -still looking nice; but it's far harder to do the opposite way and add polys to a yet 'stripped' model: it's better to use the original 'heavy' instead, or start anew.

That's AFAIK, you know.

Besides, I heard that Il-2 models parts had to be arranged in very tricky ways to be functional in the engine -that being the cause of many 3rd party models being rejected or laboriously fixed by Ilya and others- making them a bit 'spoiled' for other uses.

slipBall
05-19-2009, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
"True flight simulators can only be made on the PC and not on consoles"

He he. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BTW, I feel much better concerning Il-2 mods. Not that he really seems to like it, but at least he seems to accept it and take the best from it.

I'm still not interested in them, but not seeing the thing with contempt.

And, well, it's reassuring about the future of Sow. After so much silence, I was really concerned about it having any.

And it's looking awesome.

Oleg be blessed. The guy seems to think the same as most of our community regarding DRM, business model, etc... Gonna be a simmer's sim.


I as well on the mod thing...nice of him to let the fox'es in to the hen house http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Quite the comedian when we want to be huh, buddy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The chickens have come home to roost! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 05:04 PM
the fork is in the pumpkin pie.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 05:18 PM
someone left the barn door wide open and the horse got out of the barn..

but the chickens came in to roost because the fox was in the hen house. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jarink
05-19-2009, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Nobody seems to have caught this statement by Oleg..

"Oleg: I found some people to help us with Storm of War: Battle of Britain in the IL-2 modding community. Soon, everyone will know their names."

Now I know why some mods are so good.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Not that surprising when you consider that some of the current-day modders had done work in the past that was accepted and used by 1C in IL2.

stalkervision
05-19-2009, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Nobody seems to have caught this statement by Oleg..

"Oleg: I found some people to help us with Storm of War: Battle of Britain in the IL-2 modding community. Soon, everyone will know their names."

Now I know why some mods are so good.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Not that surprising when you consider that some of the current-day modders had done work in the past that was accepted and used by 1C in IL2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, some are absolutely excellent. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Crazy_Goanna
05-19-2009, 08:23 PM
I know exactly what you mean Bearcat
It will be fantastic- infact I'll take it for a whirl

mortoma
05-19-2009, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I'm really waiting for "SOW/Korean War" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif Same here and the good thing is that it won't be as long of a wait because the basic engine will already be made. They'll only have to do the map/terrain and the models for the aircraft and ground units!!! Oh yeah!!

stalkervision
05-20-2009, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I'm really waiting for "SOW/Korean War" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif Same here and the good thing is that it won't be as long of a wait because the basic engine will already be made. They'll only have to do the map/terrain and the models for the aircraft and ground units!!! Oh yeah!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh Yeah!! The Korean war campaign will no doubt have so many excellent elements to it I can't even begin to describe it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Feathered_IV
05-20-2009, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Of course I would also settle for this.

"SOW Luftwaffe Night fighters over the Reich" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Think, "Il-2 Luftwaffe Night fighters over the Reich" and you will be much closer to the mark. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
05-20-2009, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Of course I would also settle for this.

"SOW Luftwaffe Night fighters over the Reich" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Think, "Il-2 Luftwaffe Night fighters over the Reich" and you will be much closer to the mark. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hay I'll take that too... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Choctaw111
05-20-2009, 07:06 AM
Thanks for posting this. It is always good to hear some news. This time we have heard quite a bit.

jarink
05-20-2009, 09:52 AM
Finally read through the interview and while it's reassuring, there's nothing exactly earth-shattering. It's nice to hear a release date, but I'm sure if things aren't "done", that date could slip. In fact, I'd rather see it slip than have an unfinished product shipped just to make the 70th anniversary of the BoB.

I think I'm looking forward to the Korea expansion more than the BoB one. Hopefully, we'll see some good prop stuff (Yak-9, F-51D, F4U-4....B-29? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif OK, probably not flyable) in addition to the jets.

Does anyone remember he's said if the SDK will be free or only available for purchase? I would think a nice way of doing it would be for Oleg to release the SDK for free, but only allow add-ons made with a paid version of the SDK work online. That way, Oleg gets a revenue stream from add-ons and the community gets lots of user-created stuff for free as well. Not everyone has deep pockets! (including some developers/modders)

SeaFireLIV
05-20-2009, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by jarink:
Finally read through the interview and while it's reassuring, there's nothing exactly earth-shattering.

I think his comment on the modding comes pretty close. He has effectively said, "Go ahead, I don`t mind any more."

stalkervision
05-20-2009, 11:08 AM
why would he mind? the mod community has extended the life of Il-2 immeasurably and I am darn sure contributed to it's continued good sales. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DuxCorvan
05-20-2009, 11:29 AM
I also think his confirmation of the SoW physics engine allowing ground operation with vehicles opens a nice field for effective air-ground simulation mods.

stiboo2
05-20-2009, 12:00 PM
I don't think Oleg is happy with the name either, can we start a new thread to come up with a new name for the sim?!

The second addon could be-

Storm Unto Combat : Korean Aircombat Simulation or - SUCKAS for short !

Anyway we've got 16 months to think about it!

16 months.......16 months.........i'm crying as I type this!

Cheers

Simon

-----------------------------------------------

" Dost thou love life? Then waste not time; for time is the stuff that life is made of " - Bejamin Franklin

BaronUnderpants
05-20-2009, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jarink:
Finally read through the interview and while it's reassuring, there's nothing exactly earth-shattering.

I think his comment on the modding comes pretty close. He has effectively said, "Go ahead, I don`t mind any more." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


FYI and with respect, he said nothing of the sort. He híred some IL2 modders to work on SoW, thats it, and he didnt wanna comment on the rest.


Just saying, so its not all of a sudden "We are sanctioned by Oleg himselfe so like it or get lost"


So far and as far as i can tell he hasnt sanctioned squat.....yet.

Just saying.

Personally, i think he has bigger fishes to fry the next 10 years. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

slipBall
05-20-2009, 02:43 PM
The follow up was as interesting as the interview.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthre...opics/2728494/3.html (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2728494/3.html)

This is gonna be some sim

danjama
05-20-2009, 03:24 PM
To be fair, he didn't dissapprove of the mods. In fact he said they excited him. The last thing his publishers would want is him OKing the infringement of their Copyright. But i think he digs em.

from the link above:

"Ingame shots I plan to show from september of this year. Not earlier. So be patient."

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
05-20-2009, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
Finally read through the interview and while it's reassuring, there's nothing exactly earth-shattering. It's nice to hear a release date, but I'm sure if things aren't "done", that date could slip. In fact, I'd rather see it slip than have an unfinished product shipped just to make the 70th anniversary of the BoB.

I think I'm looking forward to the Korea expansion more than the BoB one. Hopefully, we'll see some good prop stuff (Yak-9, F-51D, F4U-4....B-29? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif OK, probably not flyable) in addition to the jets.

Does anyone remember he's said if the SDK will be free or only available for purchase? I would think a nice way of doing it would be for Oleg to release the SDK for free, but only allow add-ons made with a paid version of the SDK work online. That way, Oleg gets a revenue stream from add-ons and the community gets lots of user-created stuff for free as well. Not everyone has deep pockets! (including some developers/modders)


Sounds like a better model would be to give out the SDK for free, and then charge a small liscence fee to those who want to get "certified" for online locked down play. Or is that what you meant? I don't think he would charge money for an "SDK+" as such, just a license fee to get certified.

ash1976
05-20-2009, 04:38 PM
Just thinking outside the box here . . . .

In this interview and last years Oleg touches briefly on the scope they are intending to integrate into the game engine. He specifically comments and also alludes to useable ground vehicles, submarines and human character models.

Looking at the longer term, bigger picture and purely conjecture for the sake of interesting debate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif what are the odds in later years that the SOW engine will be an online multi platform (ie: player controlled aircraft, ground units & sea vessels) capable sim.

And given his (reading between the lines) invitation to MSFSX/Aces staff to come on board with SoW I would imagine there will be some influx of programmers onto the project (if not already - good talent seldom goes to waste), which gives me confidence in the suggested release date.

Conjecture aside, to have delivered something with the longevity of Il2 in our current era of 3 month fad entertainment products and to have the drive, vision and belief to deliver a sequel series which looks to be above the previous standards set (advances in technology considered) and to then take the time to PERSONALLY share your vision and communicate with your target market . . . .

Well, I'd buy him a pint http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

slipBall
05-20-2009, 04:51 PM
(quote)
Looking at the longer term, bigger picture and purely conjecture for the sake of interesting debate what are the odds in later years that the SOW engine will be an online multi platform (ie: player controlled aircraft, ground units & sea vessels) capable sim.



It will be war 24/7 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
05-20-2009, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by ash1976:
Just thinking outside the box here . . . .

In this interview and last years Oleg touches briefly on the scope they are intending to integrate into the game engine. He specifically comments and also alludes to useable ground vehicles, submarines and human character models.

Looking at the longer term, bigger picture and purely conjecture for the sake of interesting debate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif what are the odds in later years that the SOW engine will be an online multi platform (ie: player controlled aircraft, ground units & sea vessels) capable sim.

That is precisely the case, he said so himself several interviews ago, and again in the follow-up answers in the simhq forum linked above. I think, if I interpreted Olenglish(tm) correctly, that he ruled out individual infantry combat along with other elements online, but ground vehicles (tank sim anyone) with airpower and submarines and probably surface navy as well, well, wow, lol.

SeaFireLIV
05-20-2009, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:



FYI and with respect, he said nothing of the sort. He híred some IL2 modders to work on SoW, thats it, and he didnt wanna comment on the rest.


Just saying, so its not all of a sudden "We are sanctioned by Oleg himselfe so like it or get lost"


So far and as far as i can tell he hasnt sanctioned squat.....yet.

Just saying.

Personally, i think he has bigger fishes to fry the next 10 years. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Where did I say all that? Don`t put your words in my mouth.

But if you read what he said, he HAS pretty much (as in effectively) said, "Go ahead, I don`t mind any more."

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jarink
05-20-2009, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jarink:
Finally read through the interview and while it's reassuring, there's nothing exactly earth-shattering. It's nice to hear a release date, but I'm sure if things aren't "done", that date could slip. In fact, I'd rather see it slip than have an unfinished product shipped just to make the 70th anniversary of the BoB.

I think I'm looking forward to the Korea expansion more than the BoB one. Hopefully, we'll see some good prop stuff (Yak-9, F-51D, F4U-4....B-29? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif OK, probably not flyable) in addition to the jets.

Does anyone remember he's said if the SDK will be free or only available for purchase? I would think a nice way of doing it would be for Oleg to release the SDK for free, but only allow add-ons made with a paid version of the SDK work online. That way, Oleg gets a revenue stream from add-ons and the community gets lots of user-created stuff for free as well. Not everyone has deep pockets! (including some developers/modders)


Sounds like a better model would be to give out the SDK for free, and then charge a small liscence fee to those who want to get "certified" for online locked down play. Or is that what you meant? I don't think he would charge money for an "SDK+" as such, just a license fee to get certified. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, that is pretty much what I meant. I was thinking perhaps the "certification" would include a digital signature that allow any content created by that 3rd party to be usable online. That would: 1) make Oleg's job easier since he wouldn't have to vet every single add-on, 2) make it much easier for online players to know what's allowed on a server and 3) help ensure better quality (fewer and higher priced certifications would essentially restrict it to people who are serious about making add-ons and want to turn a profit doing so)

Flight_boy1990
05-21-2009, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
why would he mind? the mod community has extended the life of Il-2 immeasurably and I am darn sure contributed to it's continued good sales. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'd say that you're wrong here...
Almost anyone that's over the "you know where",have a pirate version of the game.
Also that goes for the software they're using.

Licensed 3D Max 9: 3000/4000$

Urufu_Shinjiro
05-21-2009, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
why would he mind? the mod community has extended the life of Il-2 immeasurably and I am darn sure contributed to it's continued good sales. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'd say that you're wrong here...
Almost anyone that's over the "you know where",have a pirate version of the game.
Also that goes for the software they're using.

Licensed 3D Max 9: 3000/4000$ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am very offended by the suggestion that just because I use mods I'm a pirate and haven't paid Oleg for every version he's ever released! What proof do you have that my copy of il2 is pirated since I use mods, was there a survey conducted, or is it pure speculation on your part that "almost any" of the 30,000 members over there are pirates? It's this kind of demonization that keeps the "mod v. anti-mod" arguments going. You sir should be ashamed of yourself for that kind of offensive speculation.


As for the 3d max, that's a given, I'm sure all those other people all over the internet paid $300+ to photoshop stupid pictures for "lulz". I could say more on the subject but I'm not going to get into a debate on morality of piracy. Just suffice it to say that I do not pirate and resent the implication immensely.

stalkervision
05-21-2009, 06:12 AM
Pirated versions? I have bought every single Il-2 version oleg and his group ever put out and I have used mods? In fact I broke one Il-2 cd and bought another! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

wait I downloaded his original FREE Il-2 demo years and years ago!

I guess I am a pirate. ARRR Mate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Tully__
05-21-2009, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I also think his confirmation of the SoW physics engine allowing ground operation with vehicles opens a nice field for effective air-ground simulation mods.
I think I recall in an earlier interview where it was mentioned air/ground and air/sea simulations were part of the aim for this engine, if they can manage it. It'll be great if it works out that way but so far no positive confirmation on that one.



Originally posted by stalkervision:
Pirated versions? I have bought every single Il-2 version oleg and his group ever put out and I have used mods? In fact I broke one Il-2 cd and bought another! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

wait I downloaded his original FREE Il-2 demo years and years ago!

I guess I am a pirate. ARRR Mate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Ditto. 3 copies (maybe 4) of the original.
2x FB
1x AEP
2x PF
1x 1946

danjama
05-21-2009, 08:13 AM
I agree with the above, don't dare suggest that mod users are pirates.

I have bought every copy i have owned, and in fact think it is way too cheap for what it is. I have bought many versions of the series 2 or 3 times because of house moves and other stuff.

What a stupid little comment.

wheelsup_cavu
05-21-2009, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Tully__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I also think his confirmation of the SoW physics engine allowing ground operation with vehicles opens a nice field for effective air-ground simulation mods.
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">I think I recall in an earlier interview where it was mentioned air/ground and air/sea simulations were part of the aim for this engine, if they can manage it.</span> It'll be great if it works out that way but so far no positive confirmation on that one.



Originally posted by stalkervision:
Pirated versions? I have bought every single Il-2 version oleg and his group ever put out and I have used mods? In fact I broke one Il-2 cd and bought another! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

wait I downloaded his original FREE Il-2 demo years and years ago!

I guess I am a pirate. ARRR Mate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Ditto. 3 copies (maybe 4) of the original.
2x FB
1x AEP
2x PF
1x 1946 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That would be cool if they get all of that figured out.

1x FB
1x AEP
1x PF
All the above as one purchase from the UBI store when you could still have the CD shipped to you.
They had the manuals and quick reference cards in them too.
Unless I am mistaken you can only buy it as a download from UBI now.
2x 1946
One still unopened.


Wheelsup

Flight_boy1990
05-21-2009, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I am very offended by the suggestion that just because I use mods I'm a pirate and haven't paid Oleg for every version he's ever released! What proof do you have that my copy of il2 is pirated since I use mods, was there a survey conducted, or is it pure speculation on your part that "almost any" of the 30,000 members over there are pirates? It's this kind of demonization that keeps the "mod v. anti-mod" arguments going. You sir should be ashamed of yourself for that kind of offensive speculation.

Noone was talking about you,mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
I meant other people. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I too have bought my IL-2,my 3D Max yes payed all the 3000$ or what was it,well my uncle did. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Only my photoshop is downloaded from torrents.

And i wont be ashamed,because i remember some of the moderators here were having the same point of view on the dark side piracy as me.
But look at what's going on now,but i'll keep low and quiet about it.

Why you need to buy the game,when piratebay is there,and you can get it off it.
It's a game that anyone can crack and play like a ligitimed player online.

Mr_Zooly
05-21-2009, 11:16 AM
To quote Flight_boy1990
"It's a game that anyone can crack and play like a ligitimed player online."
And how many other games fall into that category?
I thought the for/against discussion ended months ago.

JSG72
05-21-2009, 11:38 AM
Just to add, a probable nothing comment.

I personally have purchased since inception, a copy of every release of IL2/FB/PF and '46. Sometimes more than once. This Sim is a cherished part of my life and the reason I initially bought a computer in the first place. I only play Offline. Anything that can enhance that experience is welcomed by me. Buying the game is nothing compared to what I have paid for Rigs to play it on.
I choose Mods that enhance realism. Nothing more.

Bejeesus! Just realised where i've posted this comment. Anyways will Tide me by. Till (And after)SOW. is released http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Xiolablu3
05-21-2009, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:

Why you need to buy the game,when piratebay is there,and you can get it off it.
It's a game that anyone can crack and play like a ligitimed player online.

Because you very much enjoy the game and dont want the developers give up making games.

You want them to make more games with the same quality.

If everyone had your attitude then PC gaming would be dead and we wouldnt have all these wonderful games like IL2, Halflife, Counterstrike, Neverwinter Nights, Fallout series, GTA series, Company of Heroes, Warhammer, Dues Ex1, Operation Flashpoint, Quake III arena, Doom, Oblivion, Morrowind, Unreal, System Shock 2, Total War series, Far Cry, Crysis, etc etc etc etc....

Think about it next time you pirate. Do you want these guys to make another great game? Or do you want all games to be console games that are just another 'Racing 2009' or 'Tekken 67'> ie the same as the last game but with better graphics??

Mr_Zooly
05-21-2009, 01:05 PM
Wasnt the pirate bay closed down and the site owners taken to court?

Buzzsaw-
05-21-2009, 01:09 PM
Salute

Piracy is obviously something which Oleg has to consider.

It's obvious he would prefer not to, that he would prefer to trust people, but his intellect tells him he needs to put measures in place.

No question that the various issues re. IL-2 will make the security measures in place in SoW heavier.

Reality of current conditions, and attitudes unfortunately.

I think he has thought about the subject carefully, and the proposed structure of SoW is a function of his thinking.

Oleg realizes that there is an genuinely positive impetus in the gaming community to open up games and modify them for the better, with the open structure of SoW and the tools provided with it, he can channel those energies, and avoid the issues that led to the hacking of IL-2.

At the same time he is going to increase the overall 'core' security of the code itself, and thereby defeat the illegitimate and negative users who want to gain access simply for their own selfish interests, ie. making profit from someone elses work, or gaining an unfair advantage flying online.

rnzoli
05-21-2009, 01:09 PM
It's a game that anyone can crack and play like a ligitimed player online Maybe this happened to other games as well, but I was totally surprised how many regular players literally flocked to BUY the game AFTER they already had access to free version. In many squadrons, it is mandatory that you can show up a legitimate copy, exactly for the reasons Xiola mentioned - the developer and the publisher must get their fair share, otherwise the development will not be sustainable.

I paid for:
FB
AEP
PF
Pe-2 addon
'46


Costs nothing when compared to the many hundred hours of enjoyment (and frustration http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

JG52Uther
05-21-2009, 01:10 PM
Flight boy 1990 AKA Gringo is a modder.
So,no 'for or against' argument needed.

I too believe that the vast majority of players who have been around for a few years brought the game,at least once.
Anyway,this thread is going waaay O/T http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I thought it was a good interview,and I actually feel like we have a date to look toward now.

Buzzsaw-
05-21-2009, 01:20 PM
Salute

Because of SoW's open design, and the useability of the tools Oleg will provide, SoW will be a quantum leap from IL-2.

The community which will form around SoW will be huge compared to IL-2, simply because of the variety and number of new elements which will continually be introduced.

No more waiting '...two weeks' for the next new product, the users will be coming up with so many new campaigns, aircraft, situations, maps, etc. that it will be a fulltime job to experience all that SoW has to offer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There's gonna be a LOT of 'SoW Widows'...

Buzzsaw-
05-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Salute

Some more details re. security and the proposed direction of expansions:

>>>

Q: After the Il-2 code was cracked, how seriously do you approach security when designing BoB? Will this be an entirely new protection scheme, or an improvement of the Il-2 method?

Oleg: Online protection code will be all new. However, the sim code itself will not be protected as much, in order to allow others to create their own add-ons. This will not affect fairness online. We’re taking special measures for that. [Luthier’s note: standard set of features for online games will be protected and unchangeable; each online server will choose whether to only allow these locked Maddox-approved features, or whether to also allow user mods.

Q: And now Oleg, please go into more details on your thoughts of the future of Storm of War compared to Il-2, given the potential you’ve built into the engine from the start.

Oleg: Considering what I’ve said already, and given an initial commercial success of BoB, here’s what I see:

1. Some number of developers internationally that worked with MSFS, and probably a large part of them too, will convert to our side. This is especially to be expected considering the recent closing of Aces studio. So these add-on developers might just start making add-ons for Storm of War. I think this might even include jets, including modern ones. At the very least I would expect someone to do Vietnam, not to mention WWI. This should happen too. Generally WWI aircraft are easier to model and program, since they don’t have such complex aerodynamics, no retractable landing gear, propeller pitch, and other advanced devices. There’s also no radio, which means there’s no need to develop and record radio chatter.

2. Korea, in conjunction with RRG. Its development is now in background mode. Their team is now working with us finishing up planes for BoB, and also modeling ships.

3. Africa, Malta, USSR. These are most appealing choices for us. Even though we know for sure that the Pacific is the most interesting subject matter for the international market, besides Battle of Britain that is. Generally the Eastern Front is a bit easier for us to do since we have loads more data on it, and there’s less variety of vehicles and aircraft to model than all the other fronts.

4. Continuing combat around the English Channel, which will largely be made via expansions since we’ll already have the main map.

5. Cooperation with other teams to create other games (perhaps by selling the engine). For example, an MMO with controllable soldiers and submarines etc. Or even a space sim around planet surfaces with somewhat realistic physics

6. Console variants with simplified features.

<<<

Oleg has a plan for world dominance... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

danjama
05-21-2009, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:

Q: And now Oleg, please go into more details on your thoughts of the future of Storm of War compared to Il-2, given the potential you’ve built into the engine from the start.

Oleg: Considering what I’ve said already, and given an initial commercial success of BoB, here’s what I see:


3. Africa, Malta, USSR.

4. Continuing combat around the English Channel, which will largely be made via expansions since we’ll already have the main map.

5. Cooperation with other teams to create other games (perhaps by selling the engine). For example, an MMO with controllable soldiers and submarines etc. Or even a space sim around planet surfaces with somewhat realistic physics

6. Console variants with simplified features.

<<<

Oleg has a plan for world dominance... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

These parts especially excite me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Can't wait for defence of the reich in SOW!

Buzzsaw-
05-21-2009, 03:40 PM
Salute

I don't know how many people have played around with map creation tools in other games, as for example, Unreal Tournament 2004, but these tools are fairly complex and time consuming.

Compared to them, Oleg's tool for SoW looks amazingly user friendly.

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Untitled31.wmv
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Untitled28.wmv

From my perspective, you can create new maps nearly as easily as you can create missions in the current IL-2 engine.

This is just going to revolutionize the forward movement of the game. Instead of waiting 3 months for a new map, its going to be 3 days.

Want a new Narvik campaign? (can be done using Oleg's BoB planeset) No problem. Have it for you and on the servers in a week or so.

Oleg is liberating all of us. We don't have to rely on him for new modules, WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES.

The only limit is our creativity.

slipBall
05-21-2009, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:

Q: And now Oleg, please go into more details on your thoughts of the future of Storm of War compared to Il-2, given the potential you’ve built into the engine from the start.

Oleg: Considering what I’ve said already, and given an initial commercial success of BoB, here’s what I see:


3. Africa, Malta, USSR.

4. Continuing combat around the English Channel, which will largely be made via expansions since we’ll already have the main map.

5. Cooperation with other teams to create other games (perhaps by selling the engine). For example, an MMO with controllable soldiers and submarines etc. Or even a space sim around planet surfaces with somewhat realistic physics

6. Console variants with simplified features.

<<<

Oleg has a plan for world dominance... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

These parts especially excite me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Can't wait for defence of the reich in SOW! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes very exciting time's lay ahead. Also there should be a very large civilian side of this sim that develope's over time.

Buzzsaw-
05-21-2009, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:

Yes very exciting time's lay ahead. Also there should be a very large civilian side of this sim that develope's over time.

Exactly.

With Oleg's Aircraft developement tools, anyone can put together a 3D model, and import it into the game, assign a flight model and damage model.

In fact, it doesn't have to be to exacting standards, you can do a lousy job, but if you want, you can create a flying cow with quad 45mm udders and have it flying on the 'open' servers.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7056/flyingcow.jpg

Of course, only the best and the highest quality aircraft will be actually imported into the secure SoW game, and only those will be able to be flown on the secure servers.

M_Gunz
05-21-2009, 05:25 PM
Isn't that a CFS-2 model?

csThor
05-22-2009, 10:26 AM
Hate to be the devil's advocate, but ...


Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
Because of SoW's open design, and the useability of the tools Oleg will provide, SoW will be a quantum leap from IL-2.

And so will be the requirements for models. We have all seen the internal structures in the BoB aircraft and to me this indicates two possibilities:

a) community-based 3rd Party Development will become nearly non-existant (on levels that Maddox Games could certify as "Maddox-compatible") while there's a flood of low-quality stuff (most of which won't be worth downloading)
b) the only externals developing stuff for SoW are companies (which charge $$$ for their products)


Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
The community which will form around SoW will be huge compared to IL-2, simply because of the variety and number of new elements which will continually be introduced.

No more waiting '...two weeks' for the next new product, the users will be coming up with so many new campaigns, aircraft, situations, maps, etc. that it will be a fulltime job to experience all that SoW has to offer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There's gonna be a LOT of 'SoW Widows'...

This is where my doubts come into play. There were only a handful of people (hand, as in max 5 fingers) who did produce 3D Models for Il-2 according to standards without Maddox Games having to correct/redo them and with SoW requirements get upped by a good three to five notches. Even Gibbage said the times of individuals producing whole aircraft will most probably be over. And then there is the problem of source material for internal structures. Maddox Games uses authentic factory drawings, but these aren't lying on the street. Finding and procuring them will take time and will cost money. How many modelers are so dedicated to go through all of this? I don't know ...

knightflyte
05-22-2009, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
Why you need to buy the game,when piratebay is there,and you can get it off it.
It's a game that anyone can crack and play like a ligitimed player online.


Personal integrity?

Bearcat99
05-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
Noone was talking about you,mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
I meant other people. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I too have bought my IL-2,my 3D Max yes payed all the 3000$ or what was it,well my uncle did. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Only my photoshop is downloaded from torrents.
And i wont be ashamed,because i remember some of the moderators here were having the same point of view on the dark side piracy as me.
But look at what's going on now,but i'll keep low and quiet about it.
Why you need to buy the game,when piratebay is there,and you can get it off it.
It's a game that anyone can crack and play like a ligitimed player online.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Oh no he didn't... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

danjama
05-23-2009, 08:39 PM
Get him BC!

DuxCorvan
05-24-2009, 03:35 AM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/19/cat_and_mouse.jpg

Kurfurst__
05-24-2009, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by csThor:
Maddox Games uses authentic factory drawings, but these aren't lying on the street. Finding and procuring them will take time and will cost money. How many modelers are so dedicated to go through all of this? I don't know ...

Much of the German stuff is available from Hafner and companies like it, and there are plenty of amiable document collectors who would probably donate it for free, and there are lots of archival stuff on the internet as well. Additionally, both German and British stuff is relatively easy to obtain from BA-MA and PRO (N.A.).

R_Target
05-24-2009, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
I agree with the above, don't dare suggest that mod users are pirates.

I have bought every copy i have owned, and in fact think it is way too cheap for what it is. I have bought many versions of the series 2 or 3 times because of house moves and other stuff.

What a stupid little comment.

+1

csThor
05-24-2009, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Much of the German stuff is available from Hafner and companies like it, and there are plenty of amiable document collectors who would probably donate it for free, and there are lots of archival stuff on the internet as well. Additionally, both German and British stuff is relatively easy to obtain from BA-MA and PRO (N.A.).

Still it's not something easily found with a google search. And I know Hafner's prices so it will still take a dedicated modeller to gain access to such stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Flight_boy1990
05-30-2009, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
Noone was talking about you,mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
I meant other people. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I too have bought my IL-2,my 3D Max yes payed all the 3000$ or what was it,well my uncle did. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Only my photoshop is downloaded from torrents.
And i wont be ashamed,because i remember some of the moderators here were having the same point of view on the dark side piracy as me.
But look at what's going on now,but i'll keep low and quiet about it.
Why you need to buy the game,when piratebay is there,and you can get it off it.
It's a game that anyone can crack and play like a ligitimed player online.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Oh no he didn't... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Bearcat,
My intentions are against the piracy and that's what my post was aimed to.
So i just want to "thank you" for suspending my account for a week,thanks to rephrasing my post,which leaded to a totally changed meaning of my words.

You made some big people amazed with your actions.

Salute.

slipBall
05-30-2009, 04:00 PM
I think that you guy's are glossing over thing's a bit here. Part taking in hacks, only leads to things like ROF...less than ideal for the end user. There I said it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Viikate_
06-02-2009, 02:55 AM
I'm surprised to see that nobody noticed what Oleg said at sukhoi.ru http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

na85
06-02-2009, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
I'm surprised to see that nobody noticed what Oleg said at sukhoi.ru http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Not many of us read cyrillic... link/translation?

Flight_boy1990
06-02-2009, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
I'm surprised to see that nobody noticed what Oleg said at sukhoi.ru http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Hi Viikate,
give me 10 min and i'll translate it to them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Flight_boy1990
06-02-2009, 04:35 AM
I'll quote and translate only his posts,which are answers to someone's questions.


Originally posted by Oleg Maddox:
? ??-2 ?????????, ?? ? ???????, ??????? ? ?????? ?? ???? ? ??? ?????????... ???? ??? ? ?? ?????, ???? ??? 4,09 ???? ??????????.... ?? 4,09 ?????? ????? ???????? ?? ??. ???????????, ??? ?? ??????? SFS ??? ?????, ?? ??? ???? ? ?????? - ????? ????? ?? ???????. ???? ???? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ????, ?? ?? ?????? ????????? ?????????.

Translation:

At the moment in IL-2,but with mistake,which demands time to remove...Help didn't came,altrough the 4.09 was repaired...But the 4.09 won't be collected by us.We will only collect the things with no bugs in the .sfs,but all the codes,models-maps will be from the same side (i.e. development side).If Dimu can divert to here,then he will add the needed changes.


Originally posted by Oleg Maddox:
4.09 ?? ???? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????? "????????", ??????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ???????? ???? ? ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ??????... ?????? ?? ??? ?????????, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ????. ?? ? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??? ??????, ?? ?? ??????? ???.

Translation:

4.09 that we will release,will unite the best "modders",who worked alone and didn't had the tools for creating maps and didn't had all the instructions for how to make models,from us.It just happened,that that they used the opened code,but they've told me about it.But i can always trust them,so i told them to proceed,but without breaking the code.


Originally posted by Oleg Maddox:
??????:???? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? 4.09? ???.

??????? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?????. ?????? ???? ???????? ? ???????? ?? ????? ??????.
??? ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ?????????. ??? ???????????.

Translation:

OLEG,FOR EXEMPLE WHEN THE 4.09 WILL BE RELEASED? THX.

I hope that they will collect everything very soon.I talk everyday with Martin about this.There,they've changed the Quick Editor.I liked it.


Originally posted by SaQson:
?????? ????????? ????-?????, ????? ?????? ???????? ? 4.09 - ??
?????.

??? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??????, ????????? ?? ?????, ??????????
??????? ?? ??????? ? RRG ? ???????? ???????????.

? ??? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????, ????? ??????? ??? ????????? ?
????????? ??? ??? ??????????????.

??? ??? ?????????????? ?????????? ? 4.09 ????? ?? ?????? ???????????
??????????.

??, ? ??????????, ???????? ? ?????? ????? ?????? 4.09 ???? ??? ?????
?? ????????????? ?? ????????.

Translation:

There will be no idiotic defect modes in 4.09

There will be only the mods of one group,consisting of people who once worked for Maddox and RPG as freelancers.

They have a lot of skills and experience,so they will create everything and test it all.

So that the additional content in 4.09 will be equal with the official additions.

Yes,and additions,that are included in the new 4.09 haven't been published anywhere by their authors.

EDIT:Quotes are now fixed,sry for mess.

Flight_boy1990
06-02-2009, 10:46 AM
For the interested,if there are still any left,check here:
-Russian. (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=52383&page=113)
-Google translation. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fi&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?p=1244213#post1244213)

jarink
06-02-2009, 02:20 PM
Flight_boy1990, thanks for those quotes/translations.

It's very interesting to hear that Oleg might actually incorporate some of the mod work into 4.09.

Now, the question is "What mods will be added in the release version of 4.09?"

Personally, I doubt very much that more than one or two planes would "make it". I can see some of the maps and environmental mods (like vpmedia's map textures) being included.

stalkervision
06-02-2009, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
Flight_boy1990, thanks for those quotes/translations.

It's very interesting to hear that Oleg might actually incorporate some of the mod work into 4.09.

Now, the question is "What mods will be added in the release version of 4.09?"

Personally, I doubt very much that more than one or two planes would "make it". I can see some of the maps and environmental mods (like vpmedia's map textures) being included.


not much i bet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Viikate_
06-03-2009, 02:11 AM
It's very interesting to hear that Oleg might actually incorporate some of the mod work into 4.09.

Now, the question is "What mods will be added in the release version of 4.09?"


Are you sure that Oleg is talking about AAA mods?

Feathered_IV
06-03-2009, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's very interesting to hear that Oleg might actually incorporate some of the mod work into 4.09.

Now, the question is "What mods will be added in the release version of 4.09?"


Are you sure that Oleg is talking about AAA mods? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking your work, the radar, SM-79, Re2000, Avia and others were probably going to be added officially. There have been several clues to this over the past few months.

csThor
06-03-2009, 09:04 AM
AFAIK he was talking about utilizing several people's skills for SoW-products. What exactly 4.09 will entail remains pure speculation.