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Weeoo86
11-20-2007, 04:38 PM
I'm not much of a complainer mainly because it's not in my nature, but this is just unacceptable.
Ubisoft, what the heck is up with showing a petagram?! the game was going just fine until you put that garbage in there. I know you guys want to tell a good story (not that it was the best to me) but that was very much unecessary. If you guys are planning on putting that kind of stuff in Assassin's Creed 2, then you can count me out because I don't put up with stuff like that.
Oh and the next time you guys make a game, make sure the ending makes sense...

Zain0
11-20-2007, 04:40 PM
Whats a 'petagram'?

avsrule247
11-20-2007, 04:41 PM
Weeoo86, play through the story before you start talking gibberish. You will know why the game has all the twists if you complete it.

Psychopompador
11-20-2007, 04:46 PM
a pentagram is a pagan or satanic symbol.. i dont recall seeing any in this game though- not so far at least.

Zain0
11-20-2007, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by PsychopompadorS:
a pentagram is a pagan or satanic symbol.. i dont recall seeing any in this game though- not so far at least.

I know, I was just making fun of his spelling, he wrote petagram http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CouchZombie
11-20-2007, 04:53 PM
Pentagrams were used symbolically in ancient Greece and Babylonia. Christians once more commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus, and it also has associations within Freemasonry. For a time, it was the official seal of the city of Jerusalem. It was not until the twentieth century that the pentagram became associated with Satanism, probably due to misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians.

Hollywood_009
11-20-2007, 05:00 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif YA what he said......BBBOOOOYYAAAA you all got owned by the supreme intelligence of the forum management HAHAHHAHA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif....sorry but that was funny... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

altairrocks
11-20-2007, 05:09 PM
*****SPOILERS******



Why do you care if in part of the story, you see a pentagram made from Subject 16?

I mean I understand how you don't like seeing pentagrams in the game yeah, but it's not like Ubisoft just randomly deciding to put some evil symbol to show how satanic they are. They are just showing how subject 16 apparently... Had some problems. Besides, as CouchZombie said it's not only JUST a Satanist or Pagan sign.

SkullSoldier
11-20-2007, 06:21 PM
Hahaha! Nice one CouchZombie.

Offended by your own ignorance, wicked.

JN006
11-20-2007, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by CouchZombie:
Pentagrams were used symbolically in ancient Greece and Babylonia. Christians once more commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus, and it also has associations within Freemasonry. For a time, it was the official seal of the city of Jerusalem. It was not until the twentieth century that the pentagram became associated with Satanism, probably due to misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians.

Good bless some people knows a little about the whole twist!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bonfire-
11-20-2007, 11:33 PM
so using religious symbols in games is unacceptable?? didnt you realize you were walking around KILLING people???

Max_Fall
11-21-2007, 01:05 AM
I think its a sign of the greek godess Afrodita,the godess of love,also the romans took it for theyr godess of love Venus,then everyone started using it and i dont know why is it a satan symbol

Hassan-Sabbah
11-21-2007, 02:28 AM
"The Pentagram"

As one of those "Ceremonial Magician types" I will give you a quick low down on it's symbolism from a modern Hermetic/Magick point of view...

The five points of the pentagram represent the four elements of manifested reality (ie; Fire, water, air, earth) with the fifth and upermost point representing Spirit. It is most commonly used as a "protective" device and is illustrative of Spirits dominance over the four elements and Man.

The pentagram takes on sinister conotations when it is depicted with the upermost point (spirit) reversed (ie; the single point downward). With the uppermost point down it becomes a symbol of the baser elements (Fire, water, air, earth) OVER spirit; Hence...worldly wants, needs, desires being of greater importance than matters of the Spirit. To some, that is "Evil." When it is depicted point down, it vaguely resembles the head of a goat. One of the accusations against the Knights Templar was the blasphemous worship of a diety called "Baphomet" which is also sometimes refered to as "The Goat of Mendes" (which has a whole list of attributes and symbolism that is quite long to go into here...feel free to google it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif)

The pentagram is actually a VERY ancient symbol and has been used long before the three major Religions came into dominance, from pagan Europe to India and Tibet.

paperwingsra
11-21-2007, 02:39 AM
i wasnt associating satanism with the assassins ... so i kinda figured it was there to represent something else... before the pentagram was deemed as an evil symbol...

MichaelAntinore
11-21-2007, 02:41 AM
A pentagram is a pagan symbol for protection an inverted pentagram is called a Baphomet and a symbol the templars used for satan I know because I am a satanist practicing the branch called LeVeyism

Hassan-Sabbah
11-21-2007, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by MichaelAntinore:
A pentagram is a pagan symbol for protection an inverted pentagram is called a Baphomet and a symbol the templars used for satan I know because I am a satanist practicing the branch called LeVeyism

Well, actually "Baphomet" was a symbolic diety that had nothing whatsoever to do with Satan. Again, Baphomet's symbolism has more to do with the five elements and a balance between the dual nature of "Feminine and Masculine" energies of manifestation.

LaVey had a habit of taking things out of context and using them for his own ends (see his use of Enochian for instance and the barely veiled influence of Aliester Crowley on LaVey's work).

MichaelAntinore
11-21-2007, 02:55 AM
http://www.templarhistory.com/solved.html information on the Baphomet from the crusades.

Hassan-Sabbah
11-21-2007, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by MichaelAntinore:
http://www.templarhistory.com/solved.html information on the Baphomet from the crusades.

Yep...but as the author of the link claims himself "the above thesis, although plausible in my opinion, and hopefully interesting to the reader, remains purely speculative."

The tie of Baphomet to the Templars is pretty much propaganda left over from the 1300's. It is not going to portray the Templars or the symbol of Baphomet in a "positive light." It was expressly used to DISCREDIT the Templars as heretics and Satan worshipers.

Through many years of study in Hermeticisim, Qabbalah, Ceremonial Magick (etc. etc.) I have a tendency to think Eliphas Levi was closer to the "actual" symbolism of the Baphomet diety:

"The icon which most people now believe to be a depiction of the devil is Eliphas Levi's 'Goat of Mendes drawing.' This is a relatively modern image, created and drawn by Levi who was a knowledgeable and influential French Quabbalistic Magician whose work in the late 19th Century is said to have started the modern occult revival. In his book 'Transcendental Magic' from 1860 Levi (who had been a Roman Catholic priest) explains that his image symbolises the position of non ascended / non aware humans, linked more to their bestial nature than their god like consciousness. The animal kameas chosen to represent the elemental forces which create our environment."

http://www.twistedtree.org.uk/baphomet.htm

But, it is an old symbol and who knows for sure what it was originally intended for?

BlackRabbit
11-21-2007, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by CouchZombie:
Pentagrams were used symbolically in ancient Greece and Babylonia. Christians once more commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus, and it also has associations within Freemasonry. For a time, it was the official seal of the city of Jerusalem. It was not until the twentieth century that the pentagram became associated with Satanism, probably due to misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians.
Blamo.

I think it also can represent Solomon's Seal.